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Also 450 ICBMs don't go away overnight. This is a main reason why Russia is still a big player.Pirate700
Russia is not a super power though...currently the only super power in the world is the US.
Russia is still considered a super power. Not what they were though.No, they're a regional power and on the same level as some western european countries, they don't have anywhere near the amount of influence we have in world affairs. They are not a superpower.
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Our health care QUALITY is the best in the world. I take it you mean insurance wise.[QUOTE="Pirate700"]
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I wonder what puts us in the lead now? We're low in education, health care quality, poverty, hell even manufacturing is falling off. The only thing we're first in right now is military.
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The quality of our care is really not different from that in any other western country. Some are better for different conditions than others. Where we horribly fail compared to the others is accessibility and costs.
Um you quality of healthcare is above everyone elses, so are your schools it just costs alot. When people have major operations in my country they all go to the US as long as they can afford it. England and hell even Canada is cheaper but we still go to the US because that's where the highest quality is. I've also heard of Canadians going to the US as well...
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Our health care QUALITY is the best in the world. I take it you mean insurance wise.
Espada12
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The quality of our care is really not different from that in any other western country. Some are better for different conditions than others. Where we horribly fail compared to the others is accessibility and costs.
Um you quality of healthcare is above everyone elses, so are your schools it just costs alot. When people have major operations in my country they all go to the US as long as they can afford it. England and hell even Canada is cheaper but we still go to the US because that's where the highest quality is. I've also heard of Canadians going to the US as well...
He's mistaking health care equality with availability. Like you said, wealthy folks in other countries come to the US for their procedures. We have the best medical care and doctors in the world.
Our health care QUALITY is the best in the world. I take it you mean insurance wise.[QUOTE="Pirate700"]
[QUOTE="theone86"]
I wonder what puts us in the lead now? We're low in education, health care quality, poverty, hell even manufacturing is falling off. The only thing we're first in right now is military.
Former_Slacker
The quality of our care is really not different from that in any other western country. Some are better for different conditions than others. Where we horribly fail compared to the others is accessibility and costs.
Not accessibility. Cost but much of that is individual responsibility. And the quality of care is the top. Many times people come to the US from around the word for that care.Depending on which "lead" you're talking about, America may have already lost it. Quite a few metrics out there where we're no longer number 1....or anywhere close to it. For example:Number one I don't know matters. Number two is not just about the quality of care but the cost as well so I tend to not take it seriously when discussing the actual medical care. Payment...it would be applicable...care itself not so much. Education.....there are some problems there but our universities are still competitive.
1. The gap between the rich and the poor in the U.S. is at an all-time high and growing, so we're certainly nowhere near the top in income equality. (Out of the top-30 actually) Link 2. We certainly don't have the world's greatest healthcare anymore. According to the World Health Organization's last measurement - from 2000 - we were 37th. And the number of our uninsured rose throughout the first 2000s. 3. Our students are no longer the world's smartest either. Coming in at a robust 33rd. Link You get the idea. More can be found here if you're curious. There are some things that the U.S. does very well. And right now there's a LOT of areas where either the rest of the world is catching up with us or already has passed us.nocoolnamejim
Capital, processes, business hubs, natural resources, a mature financial market, liberal laws towards outsourcing, relatively free flow of labor, access to the best intellectual output of the best universities in the world, headquarters of many fortune 500 companies, etc.. What America has going for it is the foundation that has been laid by our forefathers. There is much already in place that makes our workers so productive, even the ones who show up late half the time and take 10 minute cig breaks.I wonder what puts us in the lead now? We're low in education, health care quality, poverty, hell even manufacturing is falling off. The only thing we're first in right now is military.
theone86
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Our health care QUALITY is the best in the world. I take it you mean insurance wise.
LJS9502_basic
The quality of our care is really not different from that in any other western country. Some are better for different conditions than others. Where we horribly fail compared to the others is accessibility and costs.
Not accessibility. Cost but much of that is individual responsibility. And the quality of care is the top. Many times people come to the US from around the word for that care. The ability of someone to afford care has to factor in how good the care is though. If 47 million people out of 300 million people in the U.S. can't afford health insurance - can't get care - then it makes no difference to them whether the quality of care is #1 or #200. Sure, if my offline name wasn't something boring like "Jim" but was actually "Richie Rich James McAwesomedong IV"...Depending on which "lead" you're talking about, America may have already lost it. Quite a few metrics out there where we're no longer number 1....or anywhere close to it. For example:
1. The gap between the rich and the poor in the U.S. is at an all-time high and growing, so we're certainly nowhere near the top in income equality. (Out of the top-30 actually) Link 2. We certainly don't have the world's greatest healthcare anymore. According to the World Health Organization's last measurement - from 2000 - we were 37th. And the number of our uninsured rose throughout the first 2000s. 3. Our students are no longer the world's smartest either. Coming in at a robust 33rd. Link You get the idea. More can be found here if you're curious. There are some things that the U.S. does very well. And right now there's a LOT of areas where either the rest of the world is catching up with us or already has passed us.nocoolnamejim
Yea I wouldn't take that list seriously. For instance my country is ranked 67, this is the same country that overcrowds hospitals, mis-diagnose all the time (my grandfather died and only after an autopsy did we find out that he had a cancer all over his body.. seriously? After a week in the hospital?), understaffed, under equipped (again I use my grandfather as an example, he went into the hospital because of FALL yet they did not have the equipment to do an x-ray at that hospital, they had to get it brought to them from another one.. and they STILL didn't do it) and not to mention they put DENGUE patients with the regulars with the only thing stopping the mosquitoes is a NET which doesn't cover the entire short bed they give you so people's feet and arms are sticking out for those mosquitoes to spread it around.
Hell we USE the same damn colonial buildings the british left for the hospital. Waste of time healthcare and waste of time government.. hope it changes though. But as it is, if we are 67 then anyone below us is literally just dying in the hospitals. Sorry for the rant here but I think it needed to be said.
Number one I don't know matters. Number two is not just about the quality of care but the cost as well so I tend to not take it seriously when discussing the actual medical care. Payment...it would be applicable...care itself not so much. Education.....there are some problems there but our universities are still competitive. Of course number one matters. It's why we went from a system of Nobles and Serfs/Peasants to something better, it's unfair if all the money ends up concentrated into the hands of a few lucky people on top while everyone else starves. A bit of an extreme example, admittedly, but the gap between the haves and have-nots in our society has been rising steadily for decades so the trendline is not good. Cost of health care matters. If you can't afford it, then it makes no difference how good the quality of it is. Our universities - at the top - are actually the best in the world. (Okay, the U.K. has a couple in the top-10 as well, but we dominate the top end. U.S.A.! U.S.A.!) Having said that, we've got a LOOOOT of variation between our best universities and our worst.[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]Depending on which "lead" you're talking about, America may have already lost it. Quite a few metrics out there where we're no longer number 1....or anywhere close to it. For example:
1. The gap between the rich and the poor in the U.S. is at an all-time high and growing, so we're certainly nowhere near the top in income equality. (Out of the top-30 actually) Link 2. We certainly don't have the world's greatest healthcare anymore. According to the World Health Organization's last measurement - from 2000 - we were 37th. And the number of our uninsured rose throughout the first 2000s. 3. Our students are no longer the world's smartest either. Coming in at a robust 33rd. Link You get the idea. More can be found here if you're curious. There are some things that the U.S. does very well. And right now there's a LOT of areas where either the rest of the world is catching up with us or already has passed us.LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]Depending on which "lead" you're talking about, America may have already lost it. Quite a few metrics out there where we're no longer number 1....or anywhere close to it. For example:
1. The gap between the rich and the poor in the U.S. is at an all-time high and growing, so we're certainly nowhere near the top in income equality. (Out of the top-30 actually) Link 2. We certainly don't have the world's greatest healthcare anymore. According to the World Health Organization's last measurement - from 2000 - we were 37th. And the number of our uninsured rose throughout the first 2000s. 3. Our students are no longer the world's smartest either. Coming in at a robust 33rd. Link You get the idea. More can be found here if you're curious. There are some things that the U.S. does very well. And right now there's a LOT of areas where either the rest of the world is catching up with us or already has passed us.Espada12
Yea I wouldn't take that list seriously. For instance my country is ranked 67, this is the same country that overcrowds hospitals, mis-diagnose all the time (my grandfather died and only after an autopsy did we find out that he had a cancer all over his body.. seriously? After a week in the hospital?), understaffed, under equipped (again I use my grandfather as an example, he went into the hospital because of FALL yet they did not have the equipment to do an x-ray at that hospital, they had to get it brought to them from another one.. and they STILL didn't do it) and not to mention they put DENGUE patients with the regulars with the only thing stopping the mosquitoes is a NET which doesn't cover the entire short bed they give you so people's feet and arms are sticking out for those mosquitoes to spread it around.
Hell we USE the same damn colonial buildings the british left for the hospital. Waste of time healthcare and waste of time government.. hope it changes though. But as it is, if we are 67 then anyone below us is literally just dying in the hospitals. Sorry for the rant here but I think it needed to be said.
Sample size of one is not the most scientific way of making the measurements. Not all hospitals in all parts of the country are created equally. There are tons of variables involved in ranking something as complex as health care overall. Some of it is cost, some of it is accessibility, some of it quality, etc.[ The ability of someone to afford care has to factor in how good the care is though. If 47 million people out of 300 million people in the U.S. can't afford health insurance - can't get care - then it makes no difference to them whether the quality of care is #1 or #200. Sure, if my offline name wasn't something boring like "Jim" but was actually "Richie Rich James McAwesomedong IV"...Ah but many of those 47 million could afford the care if they bought insurance....and many of those not having insurance can afford it...but choose to spend their money elsewhere. Which throws off the entire premise of judging healthcare now doesn't it? That would be like saying someone that died from the flu because they choose not seek medical attention can lower the actual quality of care because of carelessness. I don't find that an accurate way to judge care.
I'd choose to get treated in the U.S. since - at the top - the very best care can be found here. Let's say that if you can afford it, on a scale of 1-100 with higher numbers being better the U.S. is a 99 in terms of quality. I, as Richie Rich James McAwesomedong get a solid 100 for my experience.
But when you factor in some unemployed loser out there - and just for the lulz we'll name him "Deadbeat Unemployed Broke Pirate von Loserville" - can't get care and dies, well, our experiences may average out to a 75.
Still not the worst around, but affordability does matter. nocoolnamejim
Sample size of one is not the most scientific way of making the measurements. Not all hospitals in all parts of the country are created equally. There are tons of variables involved in ranking something as complex as health care overall. Some of it is cost, some of it is accessibility, some of it quality, etc. nocoolnamejim
Well if it's cost then it's free, every other area is fail though. We have 3 main hospitals and only 1 I would call functional and the other two are awful, after seeing for my own eyes what all 3 are like I can say it's just downright terrible. The only good healthcare we have are those small amount of private hospitals.. everything else is just rubbish.
Ah but many of those 47 million could afford the care if they bought insurance....and many of those not having insurance can afford it...but choose to spend their money elsewhere. Which throws off the entire premise of judging healthcare now doesn't it? That would be like saying someone that died from the flu because they choose not seek medical attention can lower the actual quality of care because of carelessness. I don't find that an accurate way to judge care. True. Not denying that there is an individual component as well. If Deadbeat Unemployed Broke Pirate von Loserville chooses to buy an Ipod instead of health insurance, than that's a failure on his part rather than on the part of the system. On the other hand, if he has to make a choice between buying food and buying insurance because of rising premiums and a minimum wage that isn't high enough to allow him to pay for both, then that's a failure on the part of the system. Or if he can't buy health insurance since our national unemployment rate has been hovering around 10% for a while now? Not saying all 47 million people without health insurance couldn't afford it if they prioritized better but a heck of a lot of them probably don't have it. And then there's the quality of insurance. A lot of insurance out there maxes out in terms of benefits at a very low level.[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][ The ability of someone to afford care has to factor in how good the care is though. If 47 million people out of 300 million people in the U.S. can't afford health insurance - can't get care - then it makes no difference to them whether the quality of care is #1 or #200. Sure, if my offline name wasn't something boring like "Jim" but was actually "Richie Rich James McAwesomedong IV"...
I'd choose to get treated in the U.S. since - at the top - the very best care can be found here. Let's say that if you can afford it, on a scale of 1-100 with higher numbers being better the U.S. is a 99 in terms of quality. I, as Richie Rich James McAwesomedong get a solid 100 for my experience.
But when you factor in some unemployed loser out there - and just for the lulz we'll name him "Deadbeat Unemployed Broke Pirate von Loserville" - can't get care and dies, well, our experiences may average out to a 75.
Still not the worst around, but affordability does matter. LJS9502_basic
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Sample size of one is not the most scientific way of making the measurements. Not all hospitals in all parts of the country are created equally. There are tons of variables involved in ranking something as complex as health care overall. Some of it is cost, some of it is accessibility, some of it quality, etc. Espada12
Well if it's cost then it's free, every other area is fail though. We have 3 main hospitals and only 1 I would call functional and the other two are awful, after seeing for my own eyes what all 3 are like I can say it's just downright terrible. The only good healthcare we have are those small amount of private hospitals.. everything else is just rubbish.
Then my guess is that your ranking reflects a number of factors. 1. Cost 2. Accessibility 3. Quality - Probably score poorly in this area for the public hospitals but well because of the private ones 4. etc. There are a lot of countries below yours where even crappy health care isn't available.
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True. Not denying that there is an individual component as well. If Deadbeat Unemployed Broke Pirate von Loserville chooses to buy an Ipod instead of health insurance, than that's a failure on his part rather than on the part of the system. On the other hand, if he has to make a choice between buying food and buying insurance because of rising premiums and a minimum wage that isn't high enough to allow him to pay for both, then that's a failure on the part of the system. Or if he can't buy health insurance since our national unemployment rate has been hovering around 10% for a while now? Not saying all 47 million people without health insurance couldn't afford it if they prioritized better but a heck of a lot of them probably don't have it. And then there's the quality of insurance. A lot of insurance out there maxes out in terms of benefits at a very low level. nocoolnamejimWhich is why the best fix is helping those struggling to get health insurance and having some requirement for insurance providers to have pre-existing conditions covered. And those that can afford it but choose not to do so will have to deal with the costs. Or we could make it a requirement as with car insurance. However, I can't think of a country I'd rather have for the actual care than the US and for that I cannot fault the care.
Which is why the best fix is helping those struggling to get health insurance and having some requirement for insurance providers to have pre-existing conditions covered. And those that can afford it but choose not to do so will have to deal with the costs. Or we could make it a requirement as with car insurance. However, I can't think of a country I'd rather have for the actual care than the US and for that I cannot fault the care. Yep. Not saying there isn't fixes for our current problems and we don't have our strong points. Quality of care if you can get it is excellent in the U.S. for most needs. There may be one or two diseases or conditions that some doctors in other countries like the U.K. are better at than we are, but overall, we're either at or near the top for quality. Recent Health Care Reform bill that Congress passed does a lot of the things you're mentioning. 1. Can't deny coverage due to preexisting condition. 2. Provides assistance to low income individuals to get them insurance 3. Puts in place an individual mandate requiring people to buy insurance (like with cars.) It's why I think the bill is a step in the right direction.[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] True. Not denying that there is an individual component as well. If Deadbeat Unemployed Broke Pirate von Loserville chooses to buy an Ipod instead of health insurance, than that's a failure on his part rather than on the part of the system. On the other hand, if he has to make a choice between buying food and buying insurance because of rising premiums and a minimum wage that isn't high enough to allow him to pay for both, then that's a failure on the part of the system. Or if he can't buy health insurance since our national unemployment rate has been hovering around 10% for a while now? Not saying all 47 million people without health insurance couldn't afford it if they prioritized better but a heck of a lot of them probably don't have it. And then there's the quality of insurance. A lot of insurance out there maxes out in terms of benefits at a very low level. LJS9502_basic
Wow people like you make me sick, you're soooo hardcore, and probably don't know one solid thing about politics, or surviving in a collapse, and thinks it's "cool" or fun like a cyberpunk or apocalyptic film. I hope for no country to fall.Possibly and being from the USA I kind of hope it does. Would be an interesting time to live in watching the country fall apart. Could do with some excitement.
Man you edited the title so now its less fun. I figure we already lost the lead awhile ago
testfactor888
[QUOTE="testfactor888"]Wow people like you make me sick, you're soooo hardcore, and probably don't know one solid thing about politics, or surviving in a collapse, and thinks it's "cool" or fun like a cyberpunk or apocalyptic film. I hope for no country to fall. I agree with DazedDarkness. There are a lot of people on here that say stupid things to try to sound funny or bad ***.Possibly and being from the USA I kind of hope it does. Would be an interesting time to live in watching the country fall apart. Could do with some excitement.
Man you edited the title so now its less fun. I figure we already lost the lead awhile ago
DazedDarkness
Another superpower, another exciting new era. :P
Wow people like you make me sick, you're soooo hardcore, and probably don't know one solid thing about politics, or surviving in a collapse, and thinks it's "cool" or fun like a cyberpunk or apocalyptic film. I hope for no country to fall. I agree with DazedDarkness. There are a lot of people on here that say stupid things to try to sound funny or bad ***. The idea of trying to sound funny or like a tough guy doesn't cross my mind on an internet forum. I truly do wish for chaos and collapse in this country. That is all that really needs to be said[QUOTE="DazedDarkness"][QUOTE="testfactor888"]
Possibly and being from the USA I kind of hope it does. Would be an interesting time to live in watching the country fall apart. Could do with some excitement.
Man you edited the title so now its less fun. I figure we already lost the lead awhile ago
Jakesta7
[QUOTE="Jakesta7"]I agree with DazedDarkness. There are a lot of people on here that say stupid things to try to sound funny or bad ***. The idea of trying to sound funny or like a tough guy doesn't cross my mind on an internet forum. I truly do wish for chaos and collapse in this country. That is all that really needs to be saidWhy? What is the purpose? To sound cool is the only obvious reason. There is no purpose in wishing a country to fall.[QUOTE="DazedDarkness"] Wow people like you make me sick, you're soooo hardcore, and probably don't know one solid thing about politics, or surviving in a collapse, and thinks it's "cool" or fun like a cyberpunk or apocalyptic film. I hope for no country to fall. testfactor888
[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="Jakesta7"]I agree with DazedDarkness. There are a lot of people on here that say stupid things to try to sound funny or bad ***.The idea of trying to sound funny or like a tough guy doesn't cross my mind on an internet forum. I truly do wish for chaos and collapse in this country. That is all that really needs to be saidWhy? What is the purpose? To sound cool is the only obvious reason. There is no purpose in wishing a country to fall. Considering all the hate I get for not liking the USA and at the same time living here I don't see where the idea of looking cool comes into play. I just really don't like this countryJakesta7
Why? What is the purpose? To sound cool is the only obvious reason. There is no purpose in wishing a country to fall. Considering all the hate I get for not liking the USA and at the same time living here I don't see where the idea of looking cool comes into play here. I just really don't like this countryI'm not quite sure why you should hate so vehemently. You know no country is perfect but the US is definitely one of the better ones.[QUOTE="Jakesta7"][QUOTE="testfactor888"] The idea of trying to sound funny or like a tough guy doesn't cross my mind on an internet forum. I truly do wish for chaos and collapse in this country. That is all that really needs to be saidtestfactor888
[QUOTE="testfactor888"]Considering all the hate I get for not liking the USA and at the same time living here I don't see where the idea of looking cool comes into play here. I just really don't like this countryI'm not quite sure why you should hate so vehemently. You know no country is perfect but the US is definitely one of the better ones. I am not saying it is a bad country. I personally just do not like living here. I think the chaos would be entertaining. Consider what I find entertaining to be morbid if you like as it pretty much is. I think a country falling into collapse would at least make life a bit more exciting. If I get killed in the wake of the craziness at least the end of my life would have been interesting.[QUOTE="Jakesta7"]Why? What is the purpose? To sound cool is the only obvious reason. There is no purpose in wishing a country to fall.LJS9502_basic
Why? What is the purpose? To sound cool is the only obvious reason. There is no purpose in wishing a country to fall. Considering all the hate I get for not liking the USA and at the same time living here I don't see where the idea of looking cool comes into play. I just really don't like this countryThere are countries out there I dislike, but I would never say such a horrible thing as to "I wish it would fall". What is your reasoning for disliking it?[QUOTE="Jakesta7"][QUOTE="testfactor888"] The idea of trying to sound funny or like a tough guy doesn't cross my mind on an internet forum. I truly do wish for chaos and collapse in this country. That is all that really needs to be saidtestfactor888
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="testfactor888"] Considering all the hate I get for not liking the USA and at the same time living here I don't see where the idea of looking cool comes into play here. I just really don't like this countryI'm not quite sure why you should hate so vehemently. You know no country is perfect but the US is definitely one of the better ones. I am not saying it is a bad country. I personally just do not like living here.Okay. That's fine though unless you've lived elsewhere it's hard to judge. Nonetheless, hoping for it to fail seems a bit extreme don't you think?testfactor888
Why? What is the purpose? To sound cool is the only obvious reason. There is no purpose in wishing a country to fall. Considering all the hate I get for not liking the USA and at the same time living here I don't see where the idea of looking cool comes into play. I just really don't like this country[QUOTE="Jakesta7"][QUOTE="testfactor888"] The idea of trying to sound funny or like a tough guy doesn't cross my mind on an internet forum. I truly do wish for chaos and collapse in this country. That is all that really needs to be saidtestfactor888
Why want it to fall though? I'd like to move to Canada or Western Europe eventually but I don't advocate that.
I am not saying it is a bad country. I personally just do not like living here.Okay. That's fine though unless you've lived elsewhere it's hard to judge. Nonetheless, hoping for it to fail seems a bit extreme don't you think? Not to me honestly but I have (as I said in the edit) a morbid sense of entertainment. The chaos that would ensue would be pretty exciting to me. If I die though in the wake of the craziness as I said least the end of my life would be exciting. You are right though I can't judge in the regard of comparing it to other countries as I have not lived anywhere else.[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm not quite sure why you should hate so vehemently. You know no country is perfect but the US is definitely one of the better ones.LJS9502_basic
Considering all the hate I get for not liking the USA and at the same time living here I don't see where the idea of looking cool comes into play. I just really don't like this country[QUOTE="testfactor888"]
[QUOTE="Jakesta7"]Why? What is the purpose? To sound cool is the only obvious reason. There is no purpose in wishing a country to fall.Former_Slacker
Why want it to fall though? I'd like to move to Canada or Western Europe eventually but I don't advocate that.
The sheer entertainment of watching the chaos that would ensue is my only reason in wanting to watch it fall. That is honestly the only real reason.[QUOTE="testfactor888"]Considering all the hate I get for not liking the USA and at the same time living here I don't see where the idea of looking cool comes into play. I just really don't like this countryThere are countries out there I dislike, but I would never say such a horrible thing as to "I wish it would fall". What is your reasoning for disliking it? I don't have any concrete reasons that I can back up with facts or claims. I just do not like the way the country runs. I don't like the government and I have always just not liked being a part of it. I can't sit here and debate the merits of what country might be better or what (in detail) I do not like about the country. It's just in the way that someone doesn't like something as trivial as Justin Bieber. Not trying to compare the 2 just saying that sometimes people just do not like something and that's all there really is to it. I know people will call me ignorant for that and that doesn't bother me. I just really have never liked this country ever since I was a little kid. 28 years living here has not changed that feeling and I doubt that I will ever change in that regard. Never know though[QUOTE="Jakesta7"]Why? What is the purpose? To sound cool is the only obvious reason. There is no purpose in wishing a country to fall.Jakesta7
[QUOTE="Jakesta7"][QUOTE="testfactor888"] Considering all the hate I get for not liking the USA and at the same time living here I don't see where the idea of looking cool comes into play. I just really don't like this countryThere are countries out there I dislike, but I would never say such a horrible thing as to "I wish it would fall". What is your reasoning for disliking it? I don't have any concrete reasons that I can back up with facts or claims. I just do not like the way the country runs. I don't like the government and I have always just not liked being a part of it. I can't sit here and debate the merits of what country might be better or what (in detail) I do not like about the country. It's just in the way that someone doesn't like something as trivial as Justin Bieber. Not trying to compare the 2 just saying that sometimes people just do not like something and that's all there really is to it. I know people will call me ignorant for that and that doesn't bother me. I just really have never liked this country ever since I was a little kid. 28 years living here has not changed that feeling and I doubt that I will ever change in that regard. Never know though Perhaps it's possible you won't like living anywhere....maybe your own tropical island?:Ptestfactor888
I don't have any concrete reasons that I can back up with facts or claims. I just do not like the way the country runs. I don't like the government and I have always just not liked being a part of it. I can't sit here and debate the merits of what country might be better or what (in detail) I do not like about the country. It's just in the way that someone doesn't like something as trivial as Justin Bieber. Not trying to compare the 2 just saying that sometimes people just do not like something and that's all there really is to it. I know people will call me ignorant for that and that doesn't bother me. I just really have never liked this country ever since I was a little kid. 28 years living here has not changed that feeling and I doubt that I will ever change in that regard. Never know though Perhaps it's possible you won't like living anywhere....maybe your own tropical island?:P That is quite possible honestly :)[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="Jakesta7"]There are countries out there I dislike, but I would never say such a horrible thing as to "I wish it would fall". What is your reasoning for disliking it?LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="Jakesta7"]I agree with DazedDarkness. There are a lot of people on here that say stupid things to try to sound funny or bad ***. The idea of trying to sound funny or like a tough guy doesn't cross my mind on an internet forum. I truly do wish for chaos and collapse in this country. That is all that really needs to be saidAnd I hope in a case of America going in the chaos you do realize this world goes down with it right? And I hope you're first to get stomped out by some guys troops patrolling you, and putting you in the corner everyday, until or if we clean it back up. You think is all cool, looking at it from an angle of a person never having to experience it, you sound like a privileged moron who could benefit from actually listening to and experiencing people who have actually been through struggle, and would probably rip your head off in a fight in a pit to see who would have a spot in America. Even in the event of this messed up economy, we still have immigrants coming here for education, dying, break the law, and doing other things to get into this "god forsaken country of" ours and all you can do is sit around and sound sniveling and snark about it. I've worked with Salvadorians, Mexicans, and Africans who came to this country, and skipped over the other "better country" because America is a beacon that shines brightest, Africans who could have as easily skipped up to Europe, but they come here, and tell me their stories of what they had to go through, Salvadorian guys who told me how they would have to pay "protection money" to gangsters because it was a normal thing, and the law wouldn't do one thing, or how the gangsters basically were the law. And you hate America? Yeah, go live in Japan where it seems like you want to live, their economy has been crap for about 2 decades now, and every Japanese culture fan I know that come back from over there always talk about how it's not what they expected.[QUOTE="DazedDarkness"] Wow people like you make me sick, you're soooo hardcore, and probably don't know one solid thing about politics, or surviving in a collapse, and thinks it's "cool" or fun like a cyberpunk or apocalyptic film. I hope for no country to fall. testfactor888
[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="Jakesta7"]I agree with DazedDarkness. There are a lot of people on here that say stupid things to try to sound funny or bad ***.The idea of trying to sound funny or like a tough guy doesn't cross my mind on an internet forum. I truly do wish for chaos and collapse in this country. That is all that really needs to be saidAnd I hope in a case of America going in the chaos you do realize this world goes down with it right? And I hope you're first to get stomped out by some guys troops patrolling you, and putting you in the corner everyday, until or if we clean it back up. You think is all cool, looking at it from an angle of a person never having to experience it, you sound like a privileged moron who could benefit from actually listening to and experiencing people who have actually been through struggle, and would probably rip your head off in a fight in a pit to see who would have a spot in America. Even in the event of this messed up economy, we still have immigrants coming here for education, dying, break the law, and doing other things to get into this "god forsaken country of" ours and all you can do is sit around and sound sniveling and snark about it. I've worked with Salvadorians, Mexicans, and Africans who came to this country, and skipped over the other "better country" because America is a beacon that shines brightest, Africans who could have as easily skipped up to Europe, but they come here, and tell me their stories of what they had to go through, Salvadorian guys who told me how they would have to pay "protection money" to gangsters because it was a normal thing, and the law wouldn't do one thing, or how the gangsters basically were the law. And you hate America? Yeah, go live in Japan where it seems like you want to live, their economy has been crap for about 2 decades now, and every Japanese culture fan I know that come back from over there always talk about how it's not what they expected.DazedDarkness
You are going through my previous posts it would seem yes I would like to give Japan a shot. Regardless I would not mind being the first one to be snubbed out just to have the first few moments of enjoyment watching the chaos. I like chaos and find it entertaining. As I said before I have a morbid sense of entertainment. To each his own :)
Like America is the only one with problems? Look at Europe.... debt, labor unions controlling, etc. Some of Europe is worse off than America. BTW: America is two big *** huge *** continents ***!Hemmaroids
Yes, lets focus on Greece while leaving out Germany, France and the Scandinavian countries.
Edit: When someone refers to America they are typically referring to the United States of America.
And I hope in a case of America going in the chaos you do realize this world goes down with it right? And I hope you're first to get stomped out by some guys troops patrolling you, and putting you in the corner everyday, until or if we clean it back up. You think is all cool, looking at it from an angle of a person never having to experience it, you sound like a privileged moron who could benefit from actually listening to and experiencing people who have actually been through struggle, and would probably rip your head off in a fight in a pit to see who would have a spot in America. Even in the event of this messed up economy, we still have immigrants coming here for education, dying, break the law, and doing other things to get into this "god forsaken country of" ours and all you can do is sit around and sound sniveling and snark about it. I've worked with Salvadorians, Mexicans, and Africans who came to this country, and skipped over the other "better country" because America is a beacon that shines brightest, Africans who could have as easily skipped up to Europe, but they come here, and tell me their stories of what they had to go through, Salvadorian guys who told me how they would have to pay "protection money" to gangsters because it was a normal thing, and the law wouldn't do one thing, or how the gangsters basically were the law. And you hate America? Yeah, go live in Japan where it seems like you want to live, their economy has been crap for about 2 decades now, and every Japanese culture fan I know that come back from over there always talk about how it's not what they expected.[QUOTE="DazedDarkness"][QUOTE="testfactor888"] The idea of trying to sound funny or like a tough guy doesn't cross my mind on an internet forum. I truly do wish for chaos and collapse in this country. That is all that really needs to be saidtestfactor888
You are going through my previous posts it would seem yes I would like to give Japan a shot. Regardless I would not mind being the first one to be snubbed out just to have the first few moments of enjoyment watching the chaos. I like chaos and find it entertaining. As I said before I have a morbid sense of entertainment. To each his own :)
I don't think you'll like it in Japan. They're very homogeneous culture, you'll never be considered Japanese, no matter how long you live there or how well you can speak the language. They're also worked to death. It seems like a very stressful life.
An actual libertarian party would be very welcome. My only option is to continually vote Democrat due to their social liberty stance and the fact that they try to cover spending with taxes. I can't vote Republican because they want to shove Jesus down my throat and spend just as much, they just don't pay for it. wstfld
We definitly need a multiparty system. There is no way that the viewpoints of 300 million people can be represented by 2 groups.
Empires rise, Empires fall. One nation can't be the top country forever - eventually someone else gets their act together and finds a way to challenge the no 1 (usually because the development of the top nation(s) has resulted in higher wages/better quality of life).
The Romans, French, British and currently Americans have all been the ruling superpower at one time or another, but eventually something (often war) means someone else takes over. China, India and Brazil have economies blitzing their way to the top of the league, but there are still massive gaps between the richest and poorest (not just in terms of pay, but also health, quality of life etc.) compared to the gaps in more developed nations.
But in turn those nations will be taken over as their competitiveness (hugely cheap labour) drops as the workers/population expect more.
Even if the US stops being the "leader", it will be a massively important country for the forseeable future, both economically and militarily.
[QUOTE="wstfld"]An actual libertarian party would be very welcome. My only option is to continually vote Democrat due to their social liberty stance and the fact that they try to cover spending with taxes. I can't vote Republican because they want to shove Jesus down my throat and spend just as much, they just don't pay for it. Former_Slacker
We definitly need a multiparty system. There is no way that the viewpoints of 300 million people can be represented by 2 groups.
Yes I've been saying at least one more would be beneficial......especially since the middle or working class no longer has a representative. But people won't vote third party.:(The US is not an empire. It's a country. The reason empires fail is they become too big to manage properly. The US won't have that problem.....Empires rise, Empires fall. One nation can't be the top country forever - eventually someone else gets their act together and finds a way to challenge the no 1 (usually because the development of the top nation(s) has resulted in higher wages/better quality of life).
The Romans, French, British and currently Americans have all been the ruling superpower at one time or another, but eventually something (often war) means someone else takes over. China, India and Brazil have economies blitzing their way to the top of the league, but there are still massive gaps between the richest and poorest (not just in terms of pay, but also health, quality of life etc.) compared to the gaps in more developed nations.
But in turn those nations will be taken over as their competitiveness (hugely cheap labour) drops as the workers/population expect more.
Even if the US stops being the "leader", it will be a massively important country for the forseeable future, both economically and militarily.
LordRork
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