Do you think animal biological experiments should be banned?

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#1 Makemap
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Do you think animal (includes humans and aliens) biological experiments should be banned?

I truly hate seeing scientists do stuff to live humans, aliens (If you believe that), and animals...

If their dead then ok, but live is not (they have their right to live).

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#2 trix5817
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You can say goodbye to any major advancements in the medical field then......

How else do you expect them to conduct their experiments before they do so on humans?

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#3 MetalGear_Ninty
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Why not, when the end so obviously justfies the means?
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#4 Makemap
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Why not, when the end so obviously justfies the means?MetalGear_Ninty

Well only if the person accepts to do it, but forcing is a big NO!

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#5 Patatopan
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Would it be alright if they had the person's consent?

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#6 trix5817
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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]Why not, when the end so obviously justfies the means?Makemap

Well only if the person accepts to do it, but forcing is a big NO!

You can't force someone to do it and you shouldn't be able to.....so I don't know what you're complaining about...

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#7 Wolf-avatar
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Yes,Animal testing is nothing but Torture dude.They have one video where there punching a puppy in the face at one of the labs.If they want to test on something,Test on someone in jail who has killed someone.Not an innocent animal that hasnt done anything wrong.
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#8 Guybrush_3
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Without biological testing there would be no medicine....
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#9 canary7
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Yeah.
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#10 3eyedrazorback
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I couldn't stop laughing when I read aliens. :lol: I can't even answer the question now. That spoiled it for me.
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#11 Dalo12345
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Yes,Animal testing is nothing but Torture dude.They have one video where there punching a puppy in the face at one of the labs.If they want to test on something,Test on someone in jail who has killed someone.Not an innocent animal that hasnt done anything wrong.Wolf-avatar

Animals kill each other all the time... And even if it is for food, wouldn't it be ok then if I killed another person as long as I ate them and didn't waste it?

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#12 Samwel_X
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Not at all... in terms of medicine it has to be tested.
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#13 Wolf-avatar
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[QUOTE="Wolf-avatar"]Yes,Animal testing is nothing but Torture dude.They have one video where there punching a puppy in the face at one of the labs.If they want to test on something,Test on someone in jail who has killed someone.Not an innocent animal that hasnt done anything wrong.Dalo12345

Animals kill each other all the time... And even if it is for food, wouldn't it be ok then if I killed another person as long as I ate them and didn't waste it?

Not the animals they use in Animal Testing...

Dogs,Cats,Chimps and other domestic animals.

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#14 DJ_Novakain
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Without animal testing, we wouldn't have many of our medicines that we do today. So im going to say no, they should not be banned. And aliens? cmon...
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#15 Vyyral
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The overwhelming majority of medical research is conducted first on animals. Take that away, and medical progress screeches to a halt.

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[QUOTE="Wolf-avatar"]Yes,Animal testing is nothing but Torture dude.They have one video where there punching a puppy in the face at one of the labs.If they want to test on something,Test on someone in jail who has killed someone.Not an innocent animal that hasnt done anything wrong.Dalo12345

Animals kill each other all the time... And even if it is for food, wouldn't it be ok then if I killed another person as long as I ate them and didn't waste it?

I don't think he understands that animal testing has saved millions upon millions of human lives....

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Yes,Animal testing is nothing but Torture dude.They have one video where there punching a puppy in the face at one of the labs.If they want to test on something,Test on someone in jail who has killed someone.Not an innocent animal that hasnt done anything wrong.Wolf-avatar
Seriously these things are not apart of animal testing I want you to show me a research in animal testing that demands a dog to be punched.
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#18 Wolf-avatar
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[QUOTE="Dalo12345"]

[QUOTE="Wolf-avatar"]Yes,Animal testing is nothing but Torture dude.They have one video where there punching a puppy in the face at one of the labs.If they want to test on something,Test on someone in jail who has killed someone.Not an innocent animal that hasnt done anything wrong.trix5817

Animals kill each other all the time... And even if it is for food, wouldn't it be ok then if I killed another person as long as I ate them and didn't waste it?

I don't think he understands that animal testing has saved millions upon millions of human lives....

Animal are not Humans,How can they test on an animal if there beating them in the face.Test on people in jail or something.

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#20 markop2003
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no, it depends if they're for anything useful though, products have to go through extensive chemical testing before being tested on animals
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#21 trix5817
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[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Dalo12345"]

[QUOTE="Wolf-avatar"]Yes,Animal testing is nothing but Torture dude.They have one video where there punching a puppy in the face at one of the labs.If they want to test on something,Test on someone in jail who has killed someone.Not an innocent animal that hasnt done anything wrong.Wolf-avatar

Animals kill each other all the time... And even if it is for food, wouldn't it be ok then if I killed another person as long as I ate them and didn't waste it?

I don't think he understands that animal testing has saved millions upon millions of human lives....

Animal are not Humans,How can they test on an animal if there beating them in the face.Test on people in jail or something.

Sorry, I'm going to put my species above any others. That's the way the world works. I'm sorry to burst your bubble.

And beating a puppy in the face? Please....where did you hear that from? PETA?:lol:

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They have one video where there punching a puppy in the face at one of the labs.Wolf-avatar

Pics now!

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#23 markop2003
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Yes,Animal testing is nothing but Torture dude.They have one video where there punching a puppy in the face at one of the labs.If they want to test on something,Test on someone in jail who has killed someone.Not an innocent animal that hasnt done anything wrong.Wolf-avatar

that's called a bad testing lab, general animal testing has nothing to do with that, i wouldn't be surprised if something like peta did that to bring more people to their side via shock videos

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#25 markop2003
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[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Dalo12345"]

[QUOTE="Wolf-avatar"]Yes,Animal testing is nothing but Torture dude.They have one video where there punching a puppy in the face at one of the labs.If they want to test on something,Test on someone in jail who has killed someone.Not an innocent animal that hasnt done anything wrong.Wolf-avatar

Animals kill each other all the time... And even if it is for food, wouldn't it be ok then if I killed another person as long as I ate them and didn't waste it?

I don't think he understands that animal testing has saved millions upon millions of human lives....

Animal are not Humans,How can they test on an animal if there beating them in the face.Test on people in jail or something.

that's like saying the experiments the germans and japanese did in WWII is what all human testing is like, that was simpley a bad testing lab and has nothing to do twith regular animal testing

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#26 FalcoLX
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You do know PETA believes in euthanasia right?
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#27 legend26
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ohh yes, lets test humans with potentially dangerous chemicals

without animal testing there would be no medicine

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Yes,Animal testing is nothing but Torture dude.They have one video where there punching a puppy in the face at one of the labs.If they want to test on something,Test on someone in jail who has killed someone.Not an innocent animal that hasnt done anything wrong.Wolf-avatar

Those videos you see are from renegade labs (can't think of a better way to phrase it), most labs aren't like that. I'm a neuroscience major, I work in a lab that does animal testing and I'm very familar with the standards that university labs have to follow when working with animals. It's extremely in-depth and meant to minimize any suffering that the animals experience. In order to get funding or get your experiment greenlighted you have to go through an ethics committee that specifically handles animal testing (called an IAUCUC). And when you do that you have to make a good case for why you're doing what you're doing. You have to convince the board why you're using say, a rat, and not a worm (a rule of research is that you never use an animal higher in cognition that you need to). You have to explain why you're doing what you're doing to the animals and it has to be a good reason (you can't just do an experiment for the hell of doing an experiment, your research actually has to have potentially important consequences). In other words the board looks at your proposed research as a cost-benefit analysis. Are the potential results worth what the animal will go through?

The lab videos that you see from PETA and other groups outrage scientists as well. We get pissed off when we see something like that happen if only because its bad science. You can't gain useful data from abused/highly stressed animals. And since these labs rarely say "hey, some of our idiot employees were punching the animals" when they release data or ship you your animals it means that all their published data comes into question as does every study that cited their data (see: compounded error rates).

You rarely see something like that in a university lab though. The reason why is because in academia your ass will get fired and banned from the field if you're found to be needlessly torturing your animals. Researchers also like to keep their test subjects healthy since test animals tend to be expensive and a sick/injured rat is a waste of funding, not to mention it harms the accuracy of your results which is even worse.

Now, does that mean that labs are day spas for the test animals? Of course not. Fact remains that you probably wouldn't want to be a lab rat. However, it's not like we're just torturing animals for the fun of it. We're getting very useful data that we simply wouldn't be able to get without testing on live subjects. And that data is used to develop new and better medical treatments, products, and more. Now you may still think it's wrong, and that's fine, that's your opinion. But if you're going to hold that view that animal testing is wrong and should never be done then please don't be a hypocrite and ever step inside a hospital, use medicine, take your pets to the vet, give your pets medicine, feed your pets commercial pet food, use comestics, use various hygeine products, go to the dentist, or go to a psychologist.

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#29 dann14v
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animals have the right to be tasty.

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#30 -TheSecondSign-
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Not in all cases, the benefits outweigh the bad.
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#31 Makemap
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animals have the right to be tasty.

dann14v

Too much chemicals in food?

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#32 AirGuitarist87
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Yes,Animal testing is nothing but Torture dude.They have one video where there punching a puppy in the face at one of the labs.If they want to test on something,Test on someone in jail who has killed someone.Not an innocent animal that hasnt done anything wrong.Wolf-avatar

Er, I don't think that was part of the experiment.

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#33 cyberdarkkid
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WTF? aliens?
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#34 the_foreign_guy
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For medical purposes, of course not. Anyone who disagrees is just impeding development for cures and such.

For cosmetic products, yes.

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#35 Makemap
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[QUOTE="Wolf-avatar"]Yes,Animal testing is nothing but Torture dude.They have one video where there punching a puppy in the face at one of the labs.If they want to test on something,Test on someone in jail who has killed someone.Not an innocent animal that hasnt done anything wrong.AirGuitarist87

Er, I don't think that was part of the experiment.

If you played The Suffering, you know why it is a bad idea to test on people in jails (Uncontrollable jails).

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#36 AirGuitarist87
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[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"]

[QUOTE="Wolf-avatar"]Yes,Animal testing is nothing but Torture dude.They have one video where there punching a puppy in the face at one of the labs.If they want to test on something,Test on someone in jail who has killed someone.Not an innocent animal that hasnt done anything wrong.Makemap

Er, I don't think that was part of the experiment.

If you played The Suffering, you know why it is a bad idea to test on people in jails (Uncontrollable jails).

The Suffering?

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#37 TheBeast789
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without testing there would be no medicine.......
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#38 bluezy
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For medical purposes, of course not. Anyone who disagrees is just impeding development for cures and such.

For cosmetic products, yes.the_foreign_guy

You type so gracefully. I second your comments.

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#39 Hungry_bunny
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Like rats? Not sure, I hate to see animals suffer but humans come first and I'd rather experiment on a 1000 rats than one human.
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#40 MetroidPrimePwn
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No. "Biologically Experimentation" is has been used to develop the cures for countless diseases, and is basically the sole way that anti-venoms are initially created.
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#41 Theokhoth
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Yeah.

Right along with these vaccines, since they were produced by evil animal testing (and thus are, by extension, evil):

Anthrax

Chicken pox

Cholera

Diphtheria

Flu

Influenza B

Hepatitis A and B

Measles

Mumps

Polio

Rabies

Rubella

Smallpox

Tetanus

Whooping Cough

Yellow Fever

And don't forget these medications!

Insulin

Penicillin

Streptomycin

Anti-inflammatory drugs

Pain killers

Anticoagulants

Chemotherapy

Cyclosporine

Oh, and these devices of evil!

Pacemakers

Artificial hearts

Artificial hips

Artificial knees

And then these procedures must also go:

Angioplasty

Organ transplantations

Heart transplantations

Kidney transplantations

Liver transplantations

Corneal transplantations

Since all of those came from evil, they are also evil, and must be destroyed. Protect the animals!

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#42 Renegade_Fury
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No, I want advancement in medicine.
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#43 Darth-Caedus
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No,more people would suffer if it stoped then if it continues
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#44 metalmouth14
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Testing on animals is just wrong! Wound you like if you were tested on. Animals do feel pain 2.
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#45 Theokhoth
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Testing on animals is just wrong! Wound you like if you were tested on. Animals do feel pain 2.metalmouth14

Which is worse: Animals feeling the prick of a needle every once in a while, or humans going without these:

Anthrax

Chicken pox

Cholera

Diphtheria

Flu

Influenza B

Hepatitis A and B

Measles

Mumps

Polio

Rabies

Rubella

Smallpox

Tetanus

Whooping Cough

Yellow Fever

Insulin

Penicillin

Streptomycin

Anti-inflammatory drugs

Pain killers

Anticoagulants

Chemotherapy

Cyclosporine

Pacemakers

Artificial hearts

Artificial hips

Artificial knees

Angioplasty

Organ transplantations

Heart transplantations

Kidney transplantations

Liver transplantations

Corneal transplantations

Theokhoth
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#46 AlternatingCaps
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Yeah.

Right along with these vaccines, since they were produced by evil animal testing (and thus are, by extension, evil):

Anthrax

Chicken pox

Cholera

Diphtheria

Flu

Influenza B

Hepatitis A and B

Measles

Mumps

Polio

Rabies

Rubella

Smallpox

Tetanus

Whooping Cough

Yellow Fever

And don't forget these medications!

Insulin

Penicillin

Streptomycin

Anti-inflammatory drugs

Pain killers

Anticoagulants

Chemotherapy

Cyclosporine

Oh, and these devices of evil!

Pacemakers

Artificial hearts

Artificial hips

Artificial knees

And then these procedures must also go:

Angioplasty

Organ transplantations

Heart transplantations

Kidney transplantations

Liver transplantations

Corneal transplantations

Since all of those came from evil, they are also evil, and must be destroyed. Protect the animals!

Theokhoth

That. I don't like the fact that living beings suffer (I'm all for animal welfare), but animal testing is really the best thing in the end because it allows us to create effective treatments and save or improve thousands, often millions of lives.

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You can say goodbye to any major advancements in the medical field then......

How else do you expect them to conduct their experiments before they do so on humans?

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Ever heard of doing the right thing? Yeah, whatever.
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#48 Renegade_Fury
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[QUOTE="trix5817"]

You can say goodbye to any major advancements in the medical field then......

How else do you expect them to conduct their experiments before they do so on humans?

BranKetra

Ever heard of doing the right thing? Yeah, whatever.

It's much easier and faster to get offspring and multiple generations for animals than humans. Experiments would never get done if humans were the only test subjects.

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#49 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="trix5817"]

You can say goodbye to any major advancements in the medical field then......

How else do you expect them to conduct their experiments before they do so on humans?

BranKetra

Ever heard of doing the right thing? Yeah, whatever.

The only reason you are able to get out of bed and "do the right thing" in the first place is because you and your ancestors have been vaccinated to prevent life-threatening diseases from racking your body all your life; were it not for animal testing, we'd all live the same way they do in Africa: in immense pain, with so many people dying that there's no room to bury the bodies.

Hardly the right thing.

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#50 MetroidPrimePwn
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Yeah.

Right along with these vaccines, since they were produced by evil animal testing (and thus are, by extension, evil):

...

Whooping Cough

...

Theokhoth

I would just like to point out that that is the awesomest common disease name evar.