Do you think Donald Trump is racist?

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Yes. Why else would he be asking for a birth certificate? If the bloke was white would he be asking for it? Of course not. GreySeal9

I don't think Donald Trump's birther crusade has anything to do with race, but becoming a conspiracy theorist is not exactly the conventional way someone would run for President. I think he has some kind of other motive with this. I personally think he's not going to run.

[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"] That is was fail logic.. That is all.. And I'm no banana.. I prefer Pineapples.00-Riddick-00

"He's a muslim," "He's a terrorist," "He wasn't born in America," are all just their way of lashing out because they can't call him a ******, which rhymes with Tigger.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] Maybe he's asking because he wants to run for President? Nah, must be because of race!Chutebox

I don't think Donald Trump's birther crusade has anything to do with race, but becoming a conspiracy theorist is not exactly the conventional way someone would run for President. I think he has some kind of other motive with this. I personally think he's not going to run.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I don't think Donald Trump's birther crusade has anything to do with race, but becoming a conspiracy theorist is not exactly the conventional way someone would run for President. I think he has some kind of other motive with this. I personally think he's not going to run.

ThePlothole

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] I think he's just trying to get into the spotlight for if he runs or not. Either that, or he's just trying to get better ratings for his show.Chutebox

He's obviously just getting publicity. He probably doesn't even believe what he says. But he knows how to get attention. Would we be talking about him right now if not?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] Dude, this is just getting silly. neither bill or I never said all Muslims. What don't you understand? Watch the video and move on.

Buttons1990

So if I run a convenience store... And two black men rob me... And I say "black men robbed me"... Am I implying that all black people are criminals who rob stores? Because by your logic that seems to be the case?

Knowing they're Muslim doesn't help the search, they're just trying to connect the ties between extremists and Muslims.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] It's clearly implied when you dont specify, and instead group everyone together and blame the group.

Buttons1990

So if I run a convenience store... And two black men rob me... And I say "black men robbed me"... Am I implying that all black people are criminals who rob stores? Because by your logic that seems to be the case?

No, it's not clearly implied. If I say "birds crapped on my truck" do you feel that I am implying that all birds crapped on my truck? You're just being silly.

thegerg

Birds are not people. A bird doesn't understand what you say, let alone feel insulted by it. People are expected to be treated with a level of respect.

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"] It's clearly implied when you dont specify, and instead group everyone together and blame the group.

ThePlothole

So if I run a convenience store... And two black men rob me... And I say "black men robbed me"... Am I implying that all black people are criminals who rob stores? Because by your logic that seems to be the case?

Is he saying that his race is better?

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"][QUOTE="Buttons1990"] Actually that would seem to imply that you are implicating all black men. It would be more appropriate to add a determiner like "two" or "those". [QUOTE="thegerg"]

No, it's not clearly implied. If I say "birds crapped on my truck" do you feel that I am implying that all birds crapped on my truck? You're just being silly.

thegerg

Birds are not people. A bird doesn't understand what you say, let alone feel insulted by it. People are expected to be treated with a level of respect.

I don't think he's a racist. He has hideous hair, but he's not a racist.JustPlainLucas

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="thegerg"] My comment has nothing to do with respect or insult. The fact is that if 2 birds crapped on my truck it is correct to say "birds crapped on my truck." That does not imply all birds crapped on my truck. The fact is that if 2 black dudes robbed me it is correct to say "black dudes robbed me." That does not imply all black duded robbed me. The fact is that if 2 Muslim guys are reesponsible for a certain act it is correct to say "Muslims are responsible for that act." That does not imply all Muslims are responsible for that act.

thegerg

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="thegerg"] I certainly do understand this PC world. Political correctness has nothing to do with my comments. My comments are about factual correctness.

thegerg

My comment has nothing to do with respect or insult. The fact is that if 2 birds crapped on my truck it is correct to say "birds crapped on my truck." That does not imply all birds crapped on my truck. The fact is that if 2 black dudes robbed me it is correct to say "black dudes robbed me." That does not imply all black duded robbed me. The fact is that if 2 Muslim guys are reesponsible for a certain act it is correct to say "Muslims are responsible for that act." That does not imply all Muslims are responsible for that act.

thegerg

He's doing it for the publicity and that's the bottom line...which, I'm sure, is a field he's quite experienced in.

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"][QUOTE="thegerg"]

My comment has nothing to do with respect or insult. The fact is that if 2 birds crapped on my truck it is correct to say "birds crapped on my truck." That does not imply all birds crapped on my truck. The fact is that if 2 black dudes robbed me it is correct to say "black dudes robbed me." That does not imply all black duded robbed me. The fact is that if 2 Muslim guys are reesponsible for a certain act it is correct to say "Muslims are responsible for that act." That does not imply all Muslims are responsible for that act.

thegerg

As for your questions: If the refrences were true then I would not feel insulted at all. If someone said "Christians were responsible for the Crusades" I wouldn't be irked at all, why should I? If someone said "Americans are responsible for the creation of Ford Motor Company" I would have no reason to be upset.

There is a difference when you refer to a group.

And what if I said both Christians and Americans are guilty of mass genocide?

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"][QUOTE="thegerg"] We refer to people as we would refer to animals everyday, it's not inherently rude. You have no idea what you're talking about. If my dog died I would say "my dog died." If my boss dies I would say "my boss died." As you can see, I am referring to my boss in the same manner in which I referred to a dog. In what way is that rude to my boss? There is a difference between referring to people and animals in the same manner, and referring to people as if they were animals. I have not done the latter. Stop being silly.

As for your questions: If the refrences were true then I would not feel insulted at all. If someone said "Christians were responsible for the Crusades" I wouldn't be irked at all, why should I? If someone said "Americans are responsible for the creation of Ford Motor Company" I would have no reason to be upset.

thegerg

There is a difference when you refer to a group.

And what if I said both Christians and Americans are guilty of mass genocide?

If you said that people are responsible for genocide and those people were, indeed, responsible for genocide then I would agree with you.

Sure it is.

I could make the statement "Christians Bomb Abortion Clinics"

While yes, in 2007 Christian extremests did leave an IED outside an Abortion clinic. That is too small a group to generalize it as mearly "Christians" doing that.

It suggests that other christians have the same beliefs and that they supported the action.

What's your position on it? Do you think he himself is racist? Or perhaps just fanning the flames of racial hatred, or neither?

KeitekeTokage

We all have a little bit of racism in us. So yes. i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"] First off, he isn't black, he is bi-racial. Second, I'm pretty sure some similar things were said about Bush by people.00-Riddick-00

Why are you explaining that to me?

I'm not an ignorant Republican who thinks he's not American.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] Yes, there is a difference when you are referring to groups. This does not mean that it is in any way insulting or demeaning.

If you said that people are responsible for genocide and those people were, indeed, responsible for genocide then I would agree with you.

thegerg

Sure it is.

I could make the statement "Christians Bomb Abortion Clinics"

While yes, in 2007 Christian extremests did leave an IED outside an Abortion clinic. That is too small a group to generalize it as mearly "Christians" doing that.

It suggests that other christians have the same beliefs and that they supported the action.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="thegerg"] That statement is 100% correct. Christians were responsible for bombing that clinic. That doesn't mean that all Christians are responsible for doing so.

thegerg

Of course not, don't be silly.

Not at all. He's just a RL troll who has a really hot wife and an extremely hot daughter.

I'm so voting for him.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="thegerg"] It's not my fault that you take it that way.

thegerg

If I make a true statement in a factual manner I am not to blame for another taking offense.

Yes, there is a difference when you are referring to groups. This does not mean that it is in any way insulting or demeaning.

If you said that people are responsible for genocide and those people were, indeed, responsible for genocide then I would agree with you.

thegerg

Donald Trump is not a racist, he's just a dumbass.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

I'm certain i saw Donald Trump make that statement.

Yes, He said Muslims, not "Extremist Muslims" or "Radical Muslims" Just "Muslims" He clearly feels they're all the same.

And now you're claiming all Musliims are responsible for 9/11, and as such there's "Nothing to apologize for"

No comment...

Nibroc420

Again, you're wrong. It was Bill and he even clarified, but it seems some people needed the clarification....that he was referring to radical Muslims. Watch the whole interview.

You can comment after you actually watch it.

how does Donald Trump look like Bill O' Reilly?

No, why are you emplying that he is?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] Yes, there is a difference when you are referring to groups. This does not mean that it is in any way insulting or demeaning.

If you said that people are responsible for genocide and those people were, indeed, responsible for genocide then I would agree with you.

thegerg

Sure it is.

I could make the statement "Christians Bomb Abortion Clinics"

While yes, in 2007 Christian extremests did leave an IED outside an Abortion clinic. That is too small a group to generalize it as mearly "Christians" doing that.

It suggests that other christians have the same beliefs and that they supported the action.