Do you think man will ever leave our solar system?

I think this is a pretty interesting question regarding our race, I mean technically look at how much we have accomplished and learned in a matter of 100 years. So many great inventions, such as the computer, jet engines, television, and also made vast leaps in terms of space exploration. We have a broader knowledge regarding our universe, and our finding planets that are share some similarities to our own planet, we've also found gas giants that are much larger than Jupiter, a real life Tatooine(although it most likely doesn't support life). I think the universe is perhaps one of the most fascinating things the human mind can explore or dig deep into... I mean it blew my mind the first time I ever seen the Milky Way, and made me wonder will we ever reach to farthest reaches of space?

The universe is a pretty daunting size, and it's something that by mathematics just straight up blows your mind. Even some of our nearest stars would take an eternity for our current technology, and the Voyager 1 & 2 is just leaving our Solar System and it was launched in 1979... how amazing? You can also send a radio message from Earth and it would never reach the end of the universe.

My question is if humans don't destroy themselves, and continue to gain rapid knowledge of technology, do you think will be able to travel to other galaxies? I mean in a way it's impossible too-- your body can't handle 186,000+ the speed of light, and as interesting as the universe is it's even more interesting how much dark matter exists in the universe. If light travels at the speed of 186,000, how fast does dark matter travel if at all? Amazing stuff if you ask me.

Or would Albert Einsteins theories of wormholes across the universe actually true? It just boggles my mind!

Space is amazing, really amazing, and I am so intrigued at the universe and how it works...But seriously, I think we need to figure out our own damn planet before worrying about anything past Jupiter.

And yes, I think it's a pretty safe bet that mankind will eventually figure out a way to leave the solar system. Maybe in another century or so.

I feel that Mankind will unfortunately destroy this planet before we get to that stage! As well as Ourselves in the process. Maybe just maybe we will kill ourselves off and the planet barely survive.

The systems across this planet are laughable.

Until we as a race get our heads out of our asses, and remove these leaders that don't even remotely deserve the title, No we will not make it out of this Solar System.

Though I still have a small amount of hope.

When the time we build a space ship that travels at speeds where it takes mere minutes to get to the moon, or hrs get to mars, Then possibility YES. but at insane speeds speeds like that will need to build some type of system to allow someone to survive that. In 100 years i think it's possible BUT will resources be put in to do it? no. right know they are more worried about be able go to the moon and turning it into a miners dream. and putting condos on the moon that only bill gates can afford. Also gravity is on their side lol. in space once speeds are reached. only time fuel needs be used is to steering. but hey lets be 4real at those speeds you would want a force field to be your shield lol.

BUT then again we are detroying are selfs... Once a war breaks out say good by to the world. it's estimated only 500 nukes the size what happan in japan would flatten the world. Guess how many u.s has? only estimated 30,000-50,000...

For starters, numbers are worthless when not accompanied by units of measurement. Secondly...hell no. Do you have any idea how vast space is? Mankind is never leaving our solar system.MrGeezer

Yes space is extremely vast hence my reference that you can send a radio signal from Earth and it would never reach the end of the universe.

If by some chance we do end up doing it, we probably wouldn't be using human bodies anymore.

If by some chance we do end up doing it, we probably wouldn't be using human bodies anymore.

Barbariser

Sure, if flu pandemics, nuclear weapons or global warming don't finish us off.

Also worth noting - the more advanced technology gets the more potentially dangerous it could be in the wrong hands.

Hard to say for certain. On a technological scale, we are still in our infancy... whether or not we live to "adulthood" is a different matter entirely. For all the information we posses, we know the equivalent of nothing. To say we will never make it out of our solar system seems rather naive. Never is a very, very long time...

When the time we build a space ship that travels at speeds where it takes mere minutes to get to the moon, or hrs get to mars, Then possibility YES. but at insane speeds speeds like that will need to build some type of system to allow someone to survive that. In 100 years i think it's possible BUT will resources be put in to do it? no. right know they are more worried about be able go to the moon and turning it into a miners dream. and putting condos on the moon that only bill gates can afford. Also gravity is on their side lol. in space once speeds are reached. only time fuel needs be used is to steering. but hey lets be 4real at those speeds you would want a force field to be your shield lol.

BUT then again we are detroying are selfs... Once a war breaks out say good by to the world. it's estimated only 500 nukes the size what happan in japan would flatten the world. Guess how many u.s has? only estimated 30,000-50,000...

k2theswiss

On topic; at our current level of understanding of physics, and technology, no. Who knows what 100 years would bring, I bet the people living in 1911 wouldn't have dreamed of half the stuff we have today (Internet, mobile phones etc)

First of all...
Ppl can't fly even on the moon...
Coz of the Belts that cause death to ppl...
If they r gonna construct ships made of LEAD and thick like half meter... and pulling it up with some strong engines...
THEN you can think about ppl to travel around the galaxy...
But for now its not possible... PROOFS?
THIS: (If you didn't know already that Moon flight was fake...)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_9gMn1OYPw

HOAX ;) My dear american friends... a Hoax.
THere are more parts that tells you what really happend...

Also the big Hadron Collider made some amazing stuff...
He carried a matter with some weight from point A to point B faster then LIGHT SPEED...
We knew before that anything that has got weight can't move faster then light speed... TILL NOW.

So evrything can change...
Still to travel at already known speed to the TATOOINE You mention here...
Would take around 8,000~ years to get there...

THIS: (If you didn't know already that Moon flight was fake...)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_9gMn1OYPw

HOAX ;) My dear american friends... a Hoax.
THere are more parts that tells you what really happend...

Matthew-first

Oh dear

First of all...
Ppl can't fly even on the moon...
Coz of the Belts that cause death to ppl...
If they r gonna construct ships made of LEAD and thick like half meter... and pulling it up with some strong engines...
THEN you can think about ppl to travel around the galaxy...
But for now its not possible... PROOFS?
THIS: (If you didn't know already that Moon flight was fake...)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_9gMn1OYPw

HOAX ;) My dear american friends... a Hoax.
THere are more parts that tells you what really happend...

Also the big Hadron Collider made some amazing stuff...
He carried a matter with some weight from point A to point B faster then LIGHT SPEED...
We knew before that anything that has got weight can't move faster then light speed... TILL NOW.

So evrything can change...
Still to travel at already known speed to the TATOOINE You mention here...
Would take around 8,000~ years to get there...

Matthew-first

Oh where to start, not even going to bother with your little conspiracy theory :lol:

The LHC has not achieved speeds faster than the speed of light, infact the particles don't even reach that speed, it's a little slower

Also, it's 200 light years away, however I have no idea what "already known speed" is referring to..

given our current knowledge on the laws of physics and such....no. But i am a firm believer in a multi-planet civilization, just not amongst other stars. Unless we manage some groundbreak new physics descovery that lets us travel such vast distances...a la Mass Effect

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="Matthew-first"]

First of all...
Ppl can't fly even on the moon...
Coz of the Belts that cause death to ppl...
If they r gonna construct ships made of LEAD and thick like half meter... and pulling it up with some strong engines...
THEN you can think about ppl to travel around the galaxy...
But for now its not possible... PROOFS?
THIS: (If you didn't know already that Moon flight was fake...)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_9gMn1OYPw

HOAX ;) My dear american friends... a Hoax.
THere are more parts that tells you what really happend...

Also the big Hadron Collider made some amazing stuff...
He carried a matter with some weight from point A to point B faster then LIGHT SPEED...
We knew before that anything that has got weight can't move faster then light speed... TILL NOW.

So evrything can change...
Still to travel at already known speed to the TATOOINE You mention here...
Would take around 8,000~ years to get there...

Matthew-first

Oh where to start, not even going to bother with your little conspiracy theory :lol:

The LHC has not achieved speeds faster than the speed of light, infact the particles don't even reach that speed, it's a little slower

Also, it's 200 light years away, however I have no idea what "already known speed" is referring to..

:lol: Sure thing champ

Oh wow, your maths is so so so so so so so so so so so far off

200 light years = 200 x 365 x 24 x 60 x 60 x 186,000 = 1175725074636721.5 Miles

Blackbird = 1175725074636721.5 / 2193 = 61,067,031.46 years ;)

Also, why did you choose the Blackbird over a space shuttle which can travel at about 17,000 MPH?

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

:lol: Sure thing champ

Oh wow, your maths is so so so so so so so so so so so far off

200 light years = 200 x 365 x 24 x 60 x 60 x 186,000 = 1175725074636721.5 Miles

Black bird = 1175725074636721.5 / 2193 = 61,067,031.46 years ;)

Matthew-first

I meant 1 light year 8,000 years to travel (around)
LOL you actually took the effort to calculate this Hahahah :D
I got really nice fun of ya xd

now... to make it your way...
1x 365 x24 x60 x60 x186,000 = 31536000
Black Bird = 31536000 / 3528 KM/h = 8800~

You blind sir ?


EDIT: IGNORANT :D

EDIT: TO pass those 200 light years u need around 8,000 years to travel with speed of 2,193 MPH :)
(for now its a record of well known black bird ;) )

Matthew-first

Just a tiny contradiction

Also, your maths is still wrong. The speed of light is 186,000 MILES per second, then in your time calculation you switched the speed to kilometres. So let's try this again...

1 light year = 365 x 24 x 60 x 60 x 186,000 = 5878625373183.607 miles

Blackbird = 5878625373183.607 / 2193 = 305,335.16 years

Or, if you are feeling lazy

Just divide the 61,067,031.46 by 200

Is your calculator broken sir? :D

we dont want society dress up like Dolce n Gabbana, Christian Dior in spacehippiesanta

hopefully in my lifetime, but most likely afterwards.

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

If by some chance we do end up doing it, we probably wouldn't be using human bodies anymore.

MrGeezer

If we use robots to do it, then technically we aren't fulfilling the "man leaving" part of "man leaving the solar system".

In the sense that the OP means, it's unbelievably unlikely, and a lot of people here don't seem to understand exactly how large the solar system is, beyond the orbit of Pluto mind you. I mean, Voyager1 is only just past our Sol's termination shock, which is still a looong way from the heliopause, and that's in the direction of the bow shock (the thinnest part of the heliosphere).

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]For starters, numbers are worthless when not accompanied by units of measurement. Secondly...hell no. Do you have any idea how vast space is? Mankind is never leaving our solar system.TF626

Yes space is extremely vast hence my reference that you can send a radio signal from Earth and it would never reach the end of the universe.

That isn't a function of size, but a matter of recession speeds; there is a cosmic event horizon that defines a region which, relative to our postion, is receeding so quickly and for such a long time that when you factor in the expansion of space you would need to send a signal faster than 'c' (light) to reach it. The reverse is true, and in a very real way it represents a true event horizon; a point where nothing on this "side" can effect the other, and visa versa, in any way.

As for the velocity of dark matter, whatever it is DM seems to behave like normal matter except that (as far as anyone can tell) it only participates in the gravitational interaction. In theory, it's no more able to reach 'c' than normal matter. As for wormholes, you should keep in mind that Einstein's version, the ERB (Einstein-Rosen Bridge) is NOT traversable. That is to say, even a single photon couldn't pass through it, never mind a person. Theories of traversable wormholes involve some pretty exotic quantum effect (even by the standards of QM) to provide a force counter to gravity to hold open the throat of the wormhole. Having a negative energy solution on paper within the ergosphere of a black hole isn't the same as massing it in a given region, or even physical reality.

Beyond that, you still have to pass the event horizon of a black hole to get to the wormhole, and unless we're talking about a supermassive (as in, galactic core) black hole, doing so would expose you to lethal gravitational shear and tidal forces. Could these have formed at a time early in the universe's history when spacetime curvature was pronounced? Maybe. Would they still be around? No. Wormholes are a valid solution, but not in this universe at this time or any time in its future as expansion leads to even LESS pronounced curvature.

To all who think we're going to be able to travel FTL: do you think that we'll build time machines?... do you realize you're talking about the exact same thing?

[QUOTE="TF626"]If light travels at the speed of 186,000, how fast does dark matter travel if at all?TDSE

[QUOTE="TDSE"][QUOTE="TF626"]If light travels at the speed of 186,000, how fast does dark matter travel if at all?Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="TDSE"]Relative to what? Also if you can go arbitrarily close to the speed of light, you can travel as far as you want. But as a result, you'll end up far into the future. Oh and use units for Christ's sake.TDSE

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] This, from someone who wanted units? Yeah, it was obvious to me at least, but I wouldn't assume that it is to anyone. I also wouldn't apply standards to others that you don't attempt to meet yourself. I think it was obvious as well that TF626 was asking what the maximum velocity of dark matter is, or if it represents an absolute reference... or when you gave him a non-answer did not see that?TDSE

Unless some visitors from other planets come along and lend us the technology to hop from galaxy to galaxy, the sun would probably go supernova before we develop the technology on our own...

I mean we'd develop the technology to maybe leave the solar system, but I doubt it would be a 2 way trip...

[QUOTE="TDSE"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] This, from someone who wanted units? Yeah, it was obvious to me at least, but I wouldn't assume that it is to anyone. I also wouldn't apply standards to others that you don't attempt to meet yourself. I think it was obvious as well that TF626 was asking what the maximum velocity of dark matter is, or if it represents an absolute reference... or when you gave him a non-answer did not see that?Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="Matthew-first"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

I meant 1 light year 8,000 years to travel (around)
LOL you actually took the effort to calculate this Hahahah :D
I got really nice fun of ya xd

now... to make it your way...
1x 365 x24 x60 x60 x186,000 = 31536000
Black Bird = 31536000 / 3528 KM/h = 8800~

You blind sir ?


EDIT: IGNORANT :D

chaoscougar1

EDIT: TO pass those 200 light years u need around 8,000 years to travel with speed of 2,193 MPH :)
(for now its a record of well known black bird ;) )

Matthew-first

Just a tiny contradiction

Also, your maths is still wrong. The speed of light is 186,000 MILES per second, then in your time calculation you switched the speed to kilometres. So let's try this again...

1 light year = 365 x 24 x 60 x 60 x 186,000 = 5878625373183.607 miles

Blackbird = 5878625373183.607 / 2193 = 305,335.16 years

Or, if you are feeling lazy

Just divide the 61,067,031.46 by 200

Is your calculator broken sir? :D

I find it funny that The Blackbird was choosen over the Aurora... (which is faster) But I find it even more funny that a BlackBird was used over a Space Shuttle which can easily multiply the speed of a blackbird several times over!

Also the shuttle can seat considerably more people, and or equipment!

we still technically can go out our solar system today, the ship needs a gravitational pull from a bigger planet and just wait for 30 years(?) like the voyager

No I don't think so.

My guess probably in about 400-500 years. In our lifetime probably man will walk the surface of mars.Celifrog

Yes. Or we will completely wipe our selves out before we get to that stage in our species.

Yes. Or we will completely wipe our selves out before we get to that stage in our species.

Pikdum