Do you think Obama cheated to get in office?

I wouldn't put it past Obooboo to steal a national election after the way he stole the hearts and minds of many Dems since his debut on the national stage.

moneymatterz

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I wouldn't put it past Obooboo to steal a national election after the way he stole the hearts and minds of many Dems since his debut on the national stage.

jimkabrhel

moneymatterz is a special little guy.

Yup, I saw them hand out fake mustaches.

Of course he did.

Of course he did.

hartsickdiscipl

I think Obama won fair and square, but he did an awful lot of pandering during this election season.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"][QUOTE="moneymatterz"]

I wouldn't put it past Obooboo to steal a national election after the way he stole the hearts and minds of many Dems since his debut on the national stage.

GreySeal9

moneymatterz is a special little guy.

You're denying your feelings for Obaybay? You've professed your love for the man on these forums on multiple occasions.

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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"] What fantasy is this?moneymatterz

moneymatterz is a special little guy.

You're denying your feelings for Obaybay? You've professed your love for the man on these forums on multiple occasions.

I think the Repubs ran a turrible campaign

I think Obama won fair and square, but he did an awful lot of pandering during this election season.

MathMattS

That's kinda how elections work.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"] What fantasy is this?moneymatterz

moneymatterz is a special little guy.

You're denying your feelings for Obaybay? You've professed your love for the man on these forums on multiple occasions.

lol. I'd love to see some examples of this. I'll wait.

I think Obama won fair and square, but he did an awful lot of pandering during this election season.

MathMattS

A politician pandering? Shocking!

No, but people need to get over the butthurt. It's been almost two months since he's been re-elected. Time to move on.

Even if there was cheating it wouldn't have hurt obama's chances of winning by much.

He cheated for a good reason, to keep the Star Wars franchise away from Disney so it could be protected by the Chinese

He cheated for a good reason, to keep the Star Wars franchise away from Disney so it could be protected by the Chinese

Zaibach

I think Obama won fair and square, but he did an awful lot of pandering during this election season.

MathMattS

Politicians pander in election seasons!?

The outrage!

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"] What fantasy is this?moneymatterz

moneymatterz is a special little guy.

You're denying your feelings for Obaybay? You've professed your love for the man on these forums on multiple occasions.

[citation needed]

Even supporters of Obama on this forum recognize he's deeply flawed.

Obama did not cheat and the Republicans need to worry about more important things such as the fiscal cliff.BatCrazedJoker

Its really hilarious that people can be so stupid in trying to make voter fraud out to be a big deal.. It isn't.. Its like stealing mail.. The consequences for your actions are far too great to outweigh any of the advantages you could ever get.. You would have to commit fraud at such a large scale furthermore to even have an effect.. The only thing of serious note in this election was the disenfranchising of numerous voters in stopping this boggeyman of voter fraud.sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Its really hilarious that people can be so stupid in trying to make voter fraud out to be a big deal.. It isn't.. Its like stealing mail.. The consequences for your actions are far too great to outweigh any of the advantages you could ever get.. You would have to commit fraud at such a large scale furthermore to even have an effect.. The only thing of serious note in this election was the disenfranchising of numerous voters in stopping this boggeyman of voter fraud.LiquidAjax

What rules would that be? 17 years of voting I've never once been asked to show an ID to vote.

[QUOTE="BatCrazedJoker"]Obama did not cheat and the Republicans need to worry about more important things such as the fiscal cliff.LiquidAjax

[QUOTE="BatCrazedJoker"]Obama did not cheat and the Republicans need to worry about more important things such as the fiscal cliff.LiquidAjax

You need to work on critical reading. Both parties are to blame.

[QUOTE="BatCrazedJoker"]Obama did not cheat and the Republicans need to worry about more important things such as the fiscal cliff.LiquidAjax

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="BatCrazedJoker"]Obama did not cheat and the Republicans need to worry about more important things such as the fiscal cliff.Abbeten

[QUOTE="BatCrazedJoker"]Obama did not cheat and the Republicans need to worry about more important things such as the fiscal cliff.LiquidAjax

Nope, the fiscal cliff exists because the G.O.P. wasn't willing to back a debt ceiling increase without severe concessions because they literally think that threatening default (read: your economy is screwed to sh!t for literally decades to come and billions of people around the world experience significant decreases in living standards) to get policies they like passed and to make the President look bad is acceptable behaviour. The second part would have worked too if they weren't so blatant about their tactics.

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="BatCrazedJoker"]Obama did not cheat and the Republicans need to worry about more important things such as the fiscal cliff.Barbariser

Nope, the fiscal cliff exists because the G.O.P. wasn't willing to back a debt ceiling increase without severe concessions because they literally think that threatening default (read: your economy is screwed to sh!t for literally decades to come and billions of people around the world experience significant decreases in living standards) to get policies they like passed and to make the President look bad is acceptable behaviour. The second part would have worked too if they weren't so blatant about their tactics.

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Its really hilarious that people can be so stupid in trying to make voter fraud out to be a big deal.. It isn't.. Its like stealing mail.. The consequences for your actions are far too great to outweigh any of the advantages you could ever get.. You would have to commit fraud at such a large scale furthermore to even have an effect.. The only thing of serious note in this election was the disenfranchising of numerous voters in stopping this boggeyman of voter fraud.worlock77

What rules would that be? 17 years of voting I've never once been asked to show an ID to vote.

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[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] Simply having an ID is not disfranchising. When did our country become so stupid that it cannot follow simple rules that have been set up for a long time?LiquidAjax

What rules would that be? 17 years of voting I've never once been asked to show an ID to vote.

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[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] Democrats created it.LiquidAjax

Nope, the fiscal cliff exists because the G.O.P. wasn't willing to back a debt ceiling increase without severe concessions because they literally think that threatening default (read: your economy is screwed to sh!t for literally decades to come and billions of people around the world experience significant decreases in living standards) to get policies they like passed and to make the President look bad is acceptable behaviour. The second part would have worked too if they weren't so blatant about their tactics.

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

What rules would that be? 17 years of voting I've never once been asked to show an ID to vote.

Rich3232

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] Democrats created it.LiquidAjax

Nope, the fiscal cliff exists because the G.O.P. wasn't willing to back a debt ceiling increase without severe concessions because they literally think that threatening default (read: your economy is screwed to sh!t for literally decades to come and billions of people around the world experience significant decreases in living standards) to get policies they like passed and to make the President look bad is acceptable behaviour. The second part would have worked too if they weren't so blatant about their tactics.

Yeah its not like they held the country hostage with the last debt limit and forced their policies down their throats.. Oh wait.. ITs hilarious that your trying to defend this and then act like YOUR the one that knows whats going on.. The democrats are most certainly not perfect, but they are not batsh!t crazy like the Republican party.. One only need to look at the Republican primary at their "top" candidates just to illustrate how fvcking crazy and stupid the Republican party has become..

No, The Republicans ******* up the primary.

Hell, McCain could have run again and beat Obama, but no lets back the extreme idiots of the party.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Its really hilarious that people can be so stupid in trying to make voter fraud out to be a big deal.. It isn't.. Its like stealing mail.. The consequences for your actions are far too great to outweigh any of the advantages you could ever get.. You would have to commit fraud at such a large scale furthermore to even have an effect.. The only thing of serious note in this election was the disenfranchising of numerous voters in stopping this boggeyman of voter fraud.LiquidAjax

Oh yes around 2000 aleged voter fraud cases from 2001 to now.. That seems perfectly reasonable to pass a law that would disenfranchise millions of people.. Which I might add were all passed by Republicans because it targeted pro democrat groups..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Its really hilarious that people can be so stupid in trying to make voter fraud out to be a big deal.. It isn't.. Its like stealing mail.. The consequences for your actions are far too great to outweigh any of the advantages you could ever get.. You would have to commit fraud at such a large scale furthermore to even have an effect.. The only thing of serious note in this election was the disenfranchising of numerous voters in stopping this boggeyman of voter fraud.LiquidAjax

Voter fraud effects- on average, about 6 votes per American election. Clearly, it's a big deal.:roll:

I think disenfranchising is a real thing. (I am also liberal as f*ck, so here comes the bias train). The more limitations you put on voting... obviously the fewer people that can vote.

No, The Republicans ******* up the primary.

Hell, McCain could have run again and beat Obama, but no lets back the extreme idiots of the party.

dercoo

I have extreme doubts about that. McCain was a pretty bad candidate who wouldn't be even half as good as Romney at raising money. Plus, it's a myth that Obama would be easy to beat if they ran somebody other than the circus that was the Republican field or Romney. Nate Silver showed pretty convincingly that the economy was improving just enough for Obama to squeak out a victory and his approval ratings were easily at re-election levels. He was definitely vulnerable, but not easy to beat. The Republicans would need a politician far better than McCain, who comes across as kind of senile sometimes, to beat him.

Also, one also needs to consider that Obama probably ran the best campaign in history. The technology, voter turnout and voter contact systems that they were using were unparalleled, David Axelrod is a genius at what he does, and Obama is still a much better political performer than anybody on the Republican side of the aisle. How in the world was someone like McCain supposed to compete with that? He wouldn't be able to. The Republicans would need somebody much more competent.

Lastly, McCain all ready was rejected by voters. There's no reason to think the country would all of a sudden want him just because Obama's turned out to be dissapointing to alot of people. He kind of discredited himself with his pick of Sarah Palin and the goofy and desperate stunts he pulled when it was clear that his campaign was in trouble. I see no evidence that he'd be much better than Romney, though I do admit that Romney was the kind of easily demonized opponent that the Obama people, who knew the President was vulnerable, were craving. In fact, alot of the time Romney did their work for them.

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[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] Simply having an ID is not disfranchising. When did our country become so stupid that it cannot follow simple rules that have been set up for a long time?LiquidAjax

What rules would that be? 17 years of voting I've never once been asked to show an ID to vote.

I'm guessing you've never actually voted.

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

What rules would that be? 17 years of voting I've never once been asked to show an ID to vote.

worlock77

I'm guessing you've never actually voted.

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Its really hilarious that people can be so stupid in trying to make voter fraud out to be a big deal.. It isn't.. Its like stealing mail.. The consequences for your actions are far too great to outweigh any of the advantages you could ever get.. You would have to commit fraud at such a large scale furthermore to even have an effect.. The only thing of serious note in this election was the disenfranchising of numerous voters in stopping this boggeyman of voter fraud.sSubZerOo

Oh yes around 2000 aleged voter fraud cases from 2001 to now.. That seems perfectly reasonable to pass a law that would disenfranchise millions of people.. Which I might add were all passed by Republicans because it targeted pro democrat groups..

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[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] Awesome. So you could just vote as someone else? I swear common sense is lost these days.LiquidAjax

I'm guessing you've never actually voted.

Yes, so do I as I never leave the house without my wallet and my ID never leaves my wallet. Yet I've never been asked to show it in order to vote, and neither have you unless by ID you mean a free voter's ID.

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

I'm guessing you've never actually voted.

worlock77

Yes, so do I as I never leave the house without my wallet and my ID never leaves my wallet. Yet I've never been asked to show it in order to vote, and neither have you unless by ID you mean a free voter's ID.

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[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] I've voted since the 90's. I always bring my ID, because i'm not lazy and stupid.Serraph105

Yes, so do I as I never leave the house without my wallet and my ID never leaves my wallet. Yet I've never been asked to show it in order to vote, and neither have you unless by ID you mean a free voter's ID.

And what did you pay for this ID?

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Yes, so do I as I never leave the house without my wallet and my ID never leaves my wallet. Yet I've never been asked to show it in order to vote, and neither have you unless by ID you mean a free voter's ID.

worlock77

And what did you pay for this ID?

well let's see, I presented my driver's license so to obtain that I first needed a learners permit which costs nothing, then I went through drivers-ed which did cost something (though I don't remember what), then I took the test which I don't remember it costing anything.

My license lasts for five years which according to thiscosts $19.50, and since I had to renew it for proper information due to recently moving there was an additional $10 fee.