Do you think Obama cheated to get in office?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"] I got asked to show ID to vote this year. I live in Indiana where the Voter ID law passed.Serraph105

And what did you pay for this ID?

well let's see, since I presented my driver's licence so to obtain that I first needed a learners permit which costs nothing, then I went through drivers-ed which did cost something (though I don't remember what), then I took the test which I don't remember it costing anything.
My licence lasts for five years which according to thiscosts $19.50, and since I had to renew it for proper information due to recently moving there was an additional $10 fee.

And this is the crux of the issue (not being lazy or stupid as LiquidAjax believes). Photo IDs cost money. Requiring a photo ID to vote then amounts to a poll tax. Poll taxes are prohibited under the 24 Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Technically any state that requires any kind of ID in order to vote is suppose to offer that ID free of charge.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"] I got asked to show ID to vote this year. I live in Indiana where the Voter ID law passed.Serraph105

And what did you pay for this ID?

well let's see, I presented my driver's license so to obtain that I first needed a learners permit which costs nothing, then I went through drivers-ed which did cost something (though I don't remember what), then I took the test which I don't remember it costing anything.

My license lasts for five years which according to thiscosts $19.50, and since I had to renew it for proper information due to recently moving there was an additional $10 fee.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

And what did you pay for this ID?

worlock77

well let's see, since I presented my driver's licence so to obtain that I first needed a learners permit which costs nothing, then I went through drivers-ed which did cost something (though I don't remember what), then I took the test which I don't remember it costing anything.
My licence lasts for five years which according to thiscosts $19.50, and since I had to renew it for proper information due to recently moving there was an additional $10 fee.

And this is the crux of the issue (not being lazy or stupid as LiquidAjax believes). Photo IDs cost money. Requiring a photo ID to vote then amounts to a poll tax. Poll taxes are prohibited under the 24 Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Technically any state that requires any kind of ID in order to vote is suppose to offer that ID free of charge.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

well let's see, since I presented my driver's licence so to obtain that I first needed a learners permit which costs nothing, then I went through drivers-ed which did cost something (though I don't remember what), then I took the test which I don't remember it costing anything.
My licence lasts for five years which according to thiscosts $19.50, and since I had to renew it for proper information due to recently moving there was an additional $10 fee.

LiquidAjax

And this is the crux of the issue (not being lazy or stupid as LiquidAjax believes). Photo IDs cost money. Requiring a photo ID to vote then amounts to a poll tax. Poll taxes are prohibited under the 24 Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Technically any state that requires any kind of ID in order to vote is suppose to offer that ID free of charge.

So I guess you feel that the Constitution can and should be ignored whenever it's inconvenient to your ignorant opinions.

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

And this is the crux of the issue (not being lazy or stupid as LiquidAjax believes). Photo IDs cost money. Requiring a photo ID to vote then amounts to a poll tax. Poll taxes are prohibited under the 24 Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Technically any state that requires any kind of ID in order to vote is suppose to offer that ID free of charge.

worlock77

So I guess you feel that the Constitution can and should be ignored whenever it's inconvenient to your ignorant opinions.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] You're really stretching here. It's stupidity and laziness. If you can't get an ID which you SHOULD HAVE ANYWAYS then you're too stupid to survive in this world. Catering to the stupid is killing this country.Serraph105

So I guess you feel that the Constitution can and should be ignored whenever it's inconvenient to your ignorant opinions.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] You're really stretching here. It's stupidity and laziness. If you can't get an ID which you SHOULD HAVE ANYWAYS then you're too stupid to survive in this world. Catering to the stupid is killing this country.Serraph105

So I guess you feel that the Constitution can and should be ignored whenever it's inconvenient to your ignorant opinions.

The 24th Amendment was added to the Constitution in 1964, not 1791.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

And what did you pay for this ID?

worlock77

well let's see, since I presented my driver's licence so to obtain that I first needed a learners permit which costs nothing, then I went through drivers-ed which did cost something (though I don't remember what), then I took the test which I don't remember it costing anything.
My licence lasts for five years which according to thiscosts $19.50, and since I had to renew it for proper information due to recently moving there was an additional $10 fee.

And this is the crux of the issue (not being lazy or stupid as LiquidAjax believes). Photo IDs cost money. Requiring a photo ID to vote then amounts to a poll tax. Poll taxes are prohibited under the 24 Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Technically any state that requires any kind of ID in order to vote is suppose to offer that ID free of charge.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

well let's see, since I presented my driver's licence so to obtain that I first needed a learners permit which costs nothing, then I went through drivers-ed which did cost something (though I don't remember what), then I took the test which I don't remember it costing anything.
My licence lasts for five years which according to thiscosts $19.50, and since I had to renew it for proper information due to recently moving there was an additional $10 fee.

The-Apostle

And this is the crux of the issue (not being lazy or stupid as LiquidAjax believes). Photo IDs cost money. Requiring a photo ID to vote then amounts to a poll tax. Poll taxes are prohibited under the 24 Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Technically any state that requires any kind of ID in order to vote is suppose to offer that ID free of charge.

Very astute.

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

And this is the crux of the issue (not being lazy or stupid as LiquidAjax believes). Photo IDs cost money. Requiring a photo ID to vote then amounts to a poll tax. Poll taxes are prohibited under the 24 Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Technically any state that requires any kind of ID in order to vote is suppose to offer that ID free of charge.

worlock77

Very astute.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"] Then offer IDs free of charge. Problem solved.The-Apostle

Very astute.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"] Then offer IDs free of charge. Problem solved.The-Apostle

Very astute.

Not that there is any real evidence to support your statement, but as others have said, if you make the ID's available for free then it will become a sound proposal from a standpoint of the constitution.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"] Then offer IDs free of charge. Problem solved.The-Apostle

Very astute.

Voter fraud is a non-issue, some people are trying to convince you that it's a mountain when in reality it is no more than a bump on the ground. And considering how easy it is to forge IDs I seriously doubt such a requirement would prevent someone who was really determined to commit voter fraud.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

And what did you pay for this ID?

worlock77

well let's see, since I presented my driver's licence so to obtain that I first needed a learners permit which costs nothing, then I went through drivers-ed which did cost something (though I don't remember what), then I took the test which I don't remember it costing anything.
My licence lasts for five years which according to thiscosts $19.50, and since I had to renew it for proper information due to recently moving there was an additional $10 fee.

And this is the crux of the issue (not being lazy or stupid as LiquidAjax believes). Photo IDs cost money. Requiring a photo ID to vote then amounts to a poll tax. Poll taxes are prohibited under the 24 Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Technically any state that requires any kind of ID in order to vote is suppose to offer that ID free of charge.

Georgia has a voter ID law and provides photo IDs for free and even have a bus to go from county to county where residents can go pick one up. It is better than using a utility bill to show that you are a resident, which was all that was required previously.

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Its really hilarious that people can be so stupid in trying to make voter fraud out to be a big deal.. It isn't.. Its like stealing mail.. The consequences for your actions are far too great to outweigh any of the advantages you could ever get.. You would have to commit fraud at such a large scale furthermore to even have an effect.. The only thing of serious note in this election was the disenfranchising of numerous voters in stopping this boggeyman of voter fraud.worlock77

What rules would that be? 17 years of voting I've never once been asked to show an ID to vote.

That's 17 years of sloppiness.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

well let's see, since I presented my driver's licence so to obtain that I first needed a learners permit which costs nothing, then I went through drivers-ed which did cost something (though I don't remember what), then I took the test which I don't remember it costing anything.
My licence lasts for five years which according to thiscosts $19.50, and since I had to renew it for proper information due to recently moving there was an additional $10 fee.

WhiteKnight77

And this is the crux of the issue (not being lazy or stupid as LiquidAjax believes). Photo IDs cost money. Requiring a photo ID to vote then amounts to a poll tax. Poll taxes are prohibited under the 24 Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Technically any state that requires any kind of ID in order to vote is suppose to offer that ID free of charge.

Georgia has a voter ID law and provides photo IDs for free and even have a bus to go from county to county where residents can go pick one up. It is better than using a utility bill to show that you are a resident, which was all that was required previously.

Cool.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] Simply having an ID is not disfranchising. When did our country become so stupid that it cannot follow simple rules that have been set up for a long time?hartsickdiscipl

What rules would that be? 17 years of voting I've never once been asked to show an ID to vote.

That's 17 years of sloppiness.

Not really. Each polling place has a list of registered voters in that precinct. You go in, state your name and the list is checked. You're handed your ballot and your name is crossed off their list. Sure, I suppose anyone could go in and vote using your name if you haven't voted already, but that would be pretty pointless.

the guy wasnt even born in america so that should answer your question

Flubbbs

trolling or just f*cking stupid?

and lol at this thread

The point is, we need these voter ID laws because they prevent voter fraud.The-Apostle

lets see some evidence first, that voter fraud is even bad enough to worry about

and lets see some evidence that these laws actually work.

voter id laws are a solution in search of a problem. anyway, this guy is a troll and people should probably stop feeding him.Abbeten

Idk if he's a troll, I think he might just be a little dim

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]voter id laws are a solution in search of a problem. anyway, this guy is a troll and people should probably stop feeding him.Bane_09

Idk if he's a troll, I think he might just be a little dim

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]voter id laws are a solution in search of a problem. anyway, this guy is a troll and people should probably stop feeding him.LiquidAjax

Idk if he's a troll, I think he might just be a little dim

You're not getting the point. Photo IDs cost money, doesn't matter how small the amount may be, they cost. Requiring a photo ID to vote then amounts to a poll tax. This is prohibited under the Constitution. That is what people object to, not the idea of requiring an ID in and of itself.

LOL voter fraud laws

i see the conservatards here are still brainwashed

is selling the country to special interests cheating? if so every president cheated to get into office post WW1

Nah Romney was just a terrible candidate. During the recession, why the GOP ran a multimillionaire from a wealthy family with accounts in the Cayman Islands and a paltry tax rate is beyond me. Plus he was creepy.

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]voter id laws are a solution in search of a problem. anyway, this guy is a troll and people should probably stop feeding him.LiquidAjax

Idk if he's a troll, I think he might just be a little dim

Yes it can be if your state's office is a significant distance away and you depend soley on public transportation to get any where.. Especialy if your eldarly.. You can't defend this sh!t when Republicans have actually SAID right before the election period that these were to suppress votes.. The Republicans are not just crazy any more, they are so blantant they don't even try to claim its because of something else.. I am all for ID's for every one if they were free and the services would help the people who cannot reach their office or have other barriers.. But their motion was clearly TO STOP people from voting, based on a figure that is so small that to even consider it a concern is laughable..

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="Bane_09"]

Idk if he's a troll, I think he might just be a little dim

sSubZerOo

Yes it can be if your state's office is a significant distance away and you depend soley on public transportation to get any where.. Especialy if your eldarly.. You can't defend this sh!t when Republicans have actually SAID right before the election period that these were to suppress votes.. The Republicans are not just crazy any more, they are so blantant they don't even try to claim its because of something else.. I am all for ID's for every one if they were free and the services would help the people who cannot reach their office or have other barriers.. But their motion was clearly TO STOP people from voting, based on a figure that is so small that to even consider it a concern is laughable..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] It's not hard to get an ID. This shouldn't be a problem. Maybe you should drink some Brawndo.LiquidAjax

Yes it can be if your state's office is a significant distance away and you depend soley on public transportation to get any where.. Especialy if your eldarly.. You can't defend this sh!t when Republicans have actually SAID right before the election period that these were to suppress votes.. The Republicans are not just crazy any more, they are so blantant they don't even try to claim its because of something else.. I am all for ID's for every one if they were free and the services would help the people who cannot reach their office or have other barriers.. But their motion was clearly TO STOP people from voting, based on a figure that is so small that to even consider it a concern is laughable..

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Yes it can be if your state's office is a significant distance away and you depend soley on public transportation to get any where.. Especialy if your eldarly.. You can't defend this sh!t when Republicans have actually SAID right before the election period that these were to suppress votes.. The Republicans are not just crazy any more, they are so blantant they don't even try to claim its because of something else.. I am all for ID's for every one if they were free and the services would help the people who cannot reach their office or have other barriers.. But their motion was clearly TO STOP people from voting, based on a figure that is so small that to even consider it a concern is laughable..

DroidPhysX

Corrected that for you.