I don't. Of course, if that were the case, anyone who was accused of rape, whether he/she actually committed the act would be put to death, so instead of answering with that in mind(an innocent man/woman being put to death), assume that everyone who is convicted actually did it.(I used the term rapists, not convicted sex offenders, because some may actually be innocent.) If they did it, do they deserve to live? Honestly, I don't think they deserve a chance at all. Rapists are rapists. I don't care under what circumstances did that happen, if a man killed your father, you don't rape that man's daughter as revenge. Rape as revenge to me, is not even a justifiable excuse, because manslaughter is essentially a death sentence in most cases, report that to the authorities. Now, this is the reason why I think rapists should not be given a second chance. As far as I'm concerned, rape is in no way justifiable. If you killed a home intruder, I take that as a valid excuse. If you killed a mugger, also a valid reason for making that decision. Rapists, have made it obvious that they cannot control their own urges, and have to result to rape. They've got mental issues, and aren't people just doing it in the heat of the moment(unlike some murders). There may be a few exceptions to me (such as this guy who 'raped' someone while sleep walking). But for the most part, I don't even see why rapists are given a second chance; they couldn't control their urges then, what makes anyone think that they can control their urges now. Back then, they didn't pay for a prostitute, why would they now? I think even a life-in-prison sentence is too mild for "people", and I use that term lightly, like this.
Are you referrring only to violent rape, or consentual statutory rape as well?Engrish_Major
Violent rape. I think if they're both consensual parties, it's no longer rape. But the moment there was any prompting or violence in obtaining an 'answer', I consider that rape.
Since when do we murder people with, as you put it, "mental issues"? The death penalty for rape is out of proportion.Gordon-Gekko
You're joking right? Rapists don't have arrested development. I said they've got mental issues because they're just sick freaks, and claiming that there's nothing wrong with these people or using their "mental issues" as an excuse is poor. They're not raping because they have mental issues. They've got mental issues because they're rapists.
[QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"]Since when do we murder people with, as you put it, "mental issues"? The death penalty for rape is out of proportion.th3warr1or
You're joking right? Rapists don't have arrested development. I said they've got mental issues because they're just sick freaks. Is that your educated medical opinion?
Violent rape. I think if they're both consensual parties, it's no longer rape. But the moment there was any prompting or violence in obtaining an 'answer', I consider that rape.th3warr1or
I'm not usually for the death penalty. And especially for rape, where the verdict often lies only on the word of the victim, it is especially difficult for me to sanction a death penalty, which is an absolute irriversible sentence. However, in your hypothetical example, where it has been proven that the person raped another against their will, I would not shed a tear for the defendant. In real life, however, this is not a punishment proportionate to the crime.
Exactly. It is the same for murderers. People don't want to think people can change but they can and are able to. There are alot of classes, therapy, and other methods for people to change in prison and better themselves.
For some crimes, I would agree. However, in my mind (and i am not a psychologist), there are two types of people. Those who are able and willing to physically harm innocent people, and those who could not. Can you really cross over from the former to the latter? For example, it's the difference between a pickpocket, and someone who will stab someone and take their wallet.
For some crimes, I would agree. However, in my mind (and i am not a psychologist), there are two types of people. Those who are able and willing to physically harm innocent people, and those who could not. Can you really cross over from the former to the latter? For example, it's the difference between a pickpocket, and someone who will stab someone and take their wallet.
Of course its impossible to completely reform criminals of this degree, but a combination of proper therapy and, if needed, medication (both in qualitative and quantitative means for both aforementioned aspects) can result in an individual who is reformed to the degree of being able to adequately and efficiently supress violent urges.
For some crimes, I would agree. However, in my mind (and i am not a psychologist), there are two types of people. Those who are able and willing to physically harm innocent people, and those who could not. Can you really cross over from the former to the latter? For example, it's the difference between a pickpocket, and someone who will stab someone and take their wallet.
Of course its impossible to completely reform criminals of this degree, but a combination of proper therapy and, if needed, medication (both in qualitative and quantitative means for both aforementioned aspects) can result in an individual who is reformed to the degree of being able to adequately and efficiently supress violent urges.
use all speak in long word that dnt register in my head lol
[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] For some crimes, I would agree. However, in my mind (and i am not a psychologist), there are two types of people. Those who are able and willing to physically harm innocent people, and those who could not. Can you really cross over from the former to the latter? For example, it's the difference between a pickpocket, and someone who will stab someone and take their wallet.ITzCobra
Of course its impossible to completely reform criminals of this degree, but a combination of proper therapy and, if needed, medication (both in qualitative and quantitative means for both aforementioned aspects) can result in an individual who is reformed to the degree of being able to adequately and efficiently supress violent urges.
use all speak in long word that dnt register in my head lol
Sorry about that, I guess I tend to ramble on sometimes. :?
[QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"]Since when do we murder people with, as you put it, "mental issues"? The death penalty for rape is out of proportion.th3warr1or
You're joking right? Rapists don't have arrested development. I said they've got mental issues because they're just sick freaks, and claiming that there's nothing wrong with these people or using their "mental issues" as an excuse is poor. They're not raping because they have mental issues. They've got mental issues because they're rapists. I only used "mental issues" because you referred to it. "Crazy" or not, my point still stands. The death penalty would be out of proportion.
why would death be out of proportion, yous are forgetting about the victums, their lives are rouined by people like that. they constantly look over ther shoulders and wont go out in the dark alone
Sorry about that, I guess I tend to ramble on sometimes. :?
In short: Therapy and medication can help.
No, don't listen to him and dumb down your posts. Anyway, if you believe that violent people can be reformed, than your opinion is as valid (or more valid, depending on your credentials :P) than mine. I am not in the state-of-mind of someone who is in the 'can hurt innocent people' camp, so I don't have any personal experience there.
Of course its impossible to completely reform criminals of this degree, but a combination of proper therapy and, if needed, medication (both in qualitative and quantitative means for both aforementioned aspects) can result in an individual who is reformed to the degree of being able to adequately and efficiently supress violent urges.
use all speak in long word that dnt register in my head lol
Sorry about that, I guess I tend to ramble on sometimes. :?
why would death be out of proportion, yous are forgetting about the victums, their lives are rouined by people like that. they constantly look over ther shoulders and wont go out in the dark aloneITzCobra
It can be the same for someone who is a victim of mugging. Do you propose the death penalty for muggers as well?
For the sake of putting conversation on the table, what do you make of rapists who committed their act when they were drunk?
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Assuming he actually did, I'm still going to hold him accountable. He *CHOSE* to drink over his threshold, but to be honest, I'm not entirely sure regarding this stance. I'm talking about those railroad/alley rapists, who are in a what would be sober state of mind, but choose to rape anyway.
why would death be out of proportion, yous are forgetting about the victums, their lives are rouined by people like that. they constantly look over ther shoulders and wont go out in the dark aloneITzCobra
I'm glad you can see inside my mind. I'm aware of the repercussions of being raped. A lengthy sentence will do just fine.
[QUOTE="ITzCobra"]why would death be out of proportion, yous are forgetting about the victums, their lives are rouined by people like that. they constantly look over ther shoulders and wont go out in the dark aloneEngrish_Major
It can be the same for someone who is a victim of mugging. Do you propose the death penalty for muggers as well?
[QUOTE="ITzCobra"]why would death be out of proportion, yous are forgetting about the victums, their lives are rouined by people like that. they constantly look over ther shoulders and wont go out in the dark aloneEngrish_Major
It can be the same for someone who is a victim of mugging. Do you propose the death penalty for muggers as well? good point but saying that .. mugging is diffrent to rape. wen your mugged your hit and muged, but rape your mugged off your life and you feel dirty you find it hard to trust men and you need help to carry on with your life
[QUOTE="ITzCobra"]why would death be out of proportion, yous are forgetting about the victums, their lives are rouined by people like that. they constantly look over ther shoulders and wont go out in the dark aloneGordon-Gekko
I'm glad you can see inside my mind. I'm aware of the repercussions of being raped. A lengthy sentence will do just fine. why so they can get out and do it AGAIN and ruin some1 else life
You're joking right? Rapists don't have arrested development. I said they've got mental issues because they're just sick freaks, and claiming that there's nothing wrong with these people or using their "mental issues" as an excuse is poor. They're not raping because they have mental issues. They've got mental issues because they're rapists.th3warr1or
I understand what you are aiming in portraying with the change of words here, but you clearly cant because the second phrase is inexplainable. The second phrase is simply your emotionally-loaded diction in order to not let the mential issues ever appear as a factor to consider when they are arrested, while in reality the second phrase makes little sense.
[QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"][QUOTE="ITzCobra"]why would death be out of proportion, yous are forgetting about the victums, their lives are rouined by people like that. they constantly look over ther shoulders and wont go out in the dark aloneITzCobra
I'm glad you can see inside my mind. I'm aware of the repercussions of being raped. A lengthy sentence will do just fine. why so they can get out and do it AGAIN and ruin some1 else life How do you know that they'll do it again? And I won't accept "because they did it once".
[QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"][QUOTE="ITzCobra"]why would death be out of proportion, yous are forgetting about the victums, their lives are rouined by people like that. they constantly look over ther shoulders and wont go out in the dark aloneITzCobra
I'm glad you can see inside my mind. I'm aware of the repercussions of being raped. A lengthy sentence will do just fine. why so they can get out and do it AGAIN and ruin some1 else lifeYes, every ex convict picks up where he left off. Let's not exaggerate now.
[QUOTE="ITzCobra"][QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"]I'm glad you can see inside my mind. I'm aware of the repercussions of being raped. A lengthy sentence will do just fine.T_P_O
why so they can get out and do it AGAIN and ruin some1 else life How do you know that they'll do it again? And I won't accept "because they did it once". not all people change
[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="ITzCobra"] why so they can get out and do it AGAIN and ruin some1 else lifeITzCobra
How do you know that they'll do it again? And I won't accept "because they did it once". not all people changeAnd not all people remain the same. Are you willing to kill them all just to be on the safe side?
To me killing someone is the most offensive crime. Rape is horrible too but I would say send them to jail and then put them on that sex offender list. But the death sentence or even a life sentence is way to hard. Rape is one of the trickiest crimes to prosecute for a reason. If a person is a serial rapist thats simple. But there are instances where two people are drunk, they start with the foreplay, then one wants to stop but the other coerces the other to given in and its often impossible to prove intent in such cases cause the victim has to show that they made it clear that they wanted to stop and wasn't just sending mixed signals. Obviously if you coerce someone thats wrong but to not give that person a second chance and just give them life is way over board.
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