Do you think rapists deserve a chance?

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#101 Emraldo
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[QUOTE="Emraldo"]

No. Cut their d*cks off and shoot them in the head. Assassin1349

A bit inappropriate.



No. Not at all.

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#102 tester962
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[QUOTE="Assassin1349"]

[QUOTE="Emraldo"]

No. Cut their d*cks off and shoot them in the head. Emraldo

A bit inappropriate.



No. Not at all.

He was right you were being inappropriate and completely juvenile.

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#103 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="ITzCobra"]why would death be out of proportion, yous are forgetting about the victums, their lives are rouined by people like that. they constantly look over ther shoulders and wont go out in the dark aloneITzCobra
It can be the same for someone who is a victim of mugging. Do you propose the death penalty for muggers as well?

good point but saying that .. mugging is diffrent to rape. wen your mugged your hit and muged, but rape your mugged off your life and you feel dirty you find it hard to trust men and you need help to carry on with your life

Way to generalize rape victims.

I know rape victims who would take strong objection to you telling them that they were "robbed of their lives".

And does this also apply to prison rape? Or...do prison rapists get to stay around just so that they can cause trauma to other prisoners?

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#104 one_plum
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[QUOTE="Assassin1349"]

[QUOTE="Emraldo"]

No. Cut their d*cks off and shoot them in the head. Emraldo

A bit inappropriate.



No. Not at all.

The day that this is allowed here will also be the day where I will become a moral nihilist

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#105 tester962
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[QUOTE="ITzCobra"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] It can be the same for someone who is a victim of mugging. Do you propose the death penalty for muggers as well?MrGeezer

good point but saying that .. mugging is diffrent to rape. wen your mugged your hit and muged, but rape your mugged off your life and you feel dirty you find it hard to trust men and you need help to carry on with your life

Way to generalize rape victims.

I know rape victims who would take strong objection to you telling them that they were "robbed of their lives".

And does this also apply to prison rape? Or...do prison rapists get to stay around just so that they can cause trauma to other prisoners?

Same, one of my relatives has been raped and I know that she would be annoyed reading about someone who let it decide the course of her life. Gotta be stronger than that
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#106 mrbojangles25
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"] Remorse? So you're saying if someone raped you, and then CLAIMS he's sorry, you're just gonna let him/her off? EMOEVOLUTION

Yeah i'm with you on this one....just because he's "sorry" doesn't undo the action...

It takes a strong man to forgive somebody of something horrible. it's too easy to hate them and want vengeance.

agreed

revenge and "justice" is the quick and easy route.

forgiveness is harder, but far better for both parties.

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#108 th3warr1or
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"] Remorse? So you're saying if someone raped you, and then CLAIMS he's sorry, you're just gonna let him/her off? EMOEVOLUTION

Yeah i'm with you on this one....just because he's "sorry" doesn't undo the action...

It takes a strong man to forgive somebody of something horrible. it's too easy to hate them and want vengeance.

While it's true, some people aren't worth forgiving. Eg; Japan's war crimes, Hitler Borgia... etc I'm not comparing rape to war crimes and genocide, but I'm just saying that there comes a point when you don't forgive.
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#109 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Yeah i'm with you on this one....just because he's "sorry" doesn't undo the action...

th3warr1or

It takes a strong man to forgive somebody of something horrible. it's too easy to hate them and want vengeance.

While it's true, some people aren't worth forgiving. Eg; Japan's war crimes, Hitler Borgia... etc I'm not comparing rape to war crimes and genocide, but I'm just saying that there comes a point when you don't forgive.

there never comes a point where someone cant be forgiven by no one

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#110 th3warr1or
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You can, but you just don't. Because they're not worth saving. Do you forgive a serial rapist? He's done it repeatedly, and it's clear he's not gonna stop anytime soon.
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#111 MuddVader
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#112 lightleggy
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You can, but you just don't. Because they're not worth saving. Do you forgive a serial rapist? He's done it repeatedly, and it's clear he's not gonna stop anytime soon. th3warr1or
how do you know he is not gonna stop? he could stop all of a sudden...you are no psychic to say that he wont... Im sorry if I look like a jerk to you...but im just trying to teach you a lesson...you just cant say that "someone is not worth saving" or that someone doesn't deserve other chance
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#113 th3warr1or
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]You can, but you just don't. Because they're not worth saving. Do you forgive a serial rapist? He's done it repeatedly, and it's clear he's not gonna stop anytime soon. lightleggy
how do you know he is not gonna stop? he could stop all of a sudden...you are no psychic to say that he wont... Im sorry if I look like a jerk to you...but im just trying to teach you a lesson...you just cant say that "someone is not worth saving" or that someone doesn't deserve other chance

He's raped 10 women, what makes you think that he ISN'T going to rape an eleventh? He's been in prison 10 times, and raped 10 different people. Rapists disgust me, more so than murderers. They're the scum of the universe.
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#114 T_P_O
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You can, but you just don't. Because they're not worth saving. Do you forgive a serial rapist? He's done it repeatedly, and it's clear he's not gonna stop anytime soon. th3warr1or
I don't see how imprisonment until death won't stop a serial rapist tbh. He's behind bars, the courts see his history, he's convicted with no chance of release. That'll stop him.
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#115 Wolf-Man2006
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I do not think rapists deserve a second chance because taking advantage of people in that manner regardless of age is plain horrible.

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#116 starfox15
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So all psychologically insane persons should be subjected to the death sentence because they could not control themselves.

Yeah that sounds reasonable.

How does killing this person make any positive impact on anybody else's life? You say rape isn't justifiable for revenge, how is murder more acceptable?

What pisses me off the most is the fact that we don't take some of these convicts and ship them to Iraq. We need people in the army, why not just take your pick from the jail crowd.

I don't agree with the death sentence. For any reason. I don't care how heinous the crime. If we'd spend more money on education or social programs, we wouldn't have prisons overflowing right now and people murdering and raping on a daily basis.

The problem with the death sentence is simple. A court case bases its justice on evidence presented. If that person is deemed guilty and killed, then later understood to be innocent, well that's just a bummer.

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#117 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] It takes a strong man to forgive somebody of something horrible. it's too easy to hate them and want vengeance.lightleggy

While it's true, some people aren't worth forgiving. Eg; Japan's war crimes, Hitler Borgia... etc I'm not comparing rape to war crimes and genocide, but I'm just saying that there comes a point when you don't forgive.

there never comes a point where someone cant be forgiven by no one

Well guess what..if i ever met a rapist i wouldn't forgive him and i would be all for execution..it is one of the most disgusting, sick and perverse things you can do to someone..

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#118 Communist_Soul
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No they don't they deserve to die though.

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#119 KungfuKitten
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This question is too difficult.
I have been in a near rape situation.
And i don't feel like that person should be hurt for it at all.
In fact i feel for that person. Was a friend of mine.
I think if You talk to victims, You will find that some love their rapists despite what they did.
It's not that simple. A double edged knife.

It is a lack of self control, isn't it?
Can't people be taught self control?

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#120 th3warr1or
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]You can, but you just don't. Because they're not worth saving. Do you forgive a serial rapist? He's done it repeatedly, and it's clear he's not gonna stop anytime soon. T_P_O
I don't see how imprisonment until death won't stop a serial rapist tbh. He's behind bars, the courts see his history, he's convicted with no chance of release. That'll stop him.

I don't want to stop him. I want him to be punished, in all senses of the word. He didn't let the victim dictate his/her terms, he shouldn't be given the chance either. Eye for an eye? HELL YES.
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#121 Gordon-Gekko
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"] While it's true, some people aren't worth forgiving. Eg; Japan's war crimes, Hitler Borgia... etc I'm not comparing rape to war crimes and genocide, but I'm just saying that there comes a point when you don't forgive. Xx_Hopeless_xX

there never comes a point where someone cant be forgiven by no one

Well guess what..if i ever met a rapist i wouldn't forgive him and i would be all for execution..it is one of the most disgusting, sick and perverse things you can do to someone..

Execution is disproportionate to the crime.
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#122 th3warr1or
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(edited because of bad html)KungfuKitten
I'm not talking about spousal rape and stuff like that... I'm referring to things like this Russian immigrant who was raped at a subway station, or the people that are raped every 2minutes in America.
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#123 th3warr1or
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

there never comes a point where someone cant be forgiven by no one

Gordon-Gekko

Well guess what..if i ever met a rapist i wouldn't forgive him and i would be all for execution..it is one of the most disgusting, sick and perverse things you can do to someone..

Execution is disproportionate to the crime.

Says who? Rape is worse than murder. So as far as I'm concerned, Death sentence is indeed disproportionate. It's not enough.
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#124 T_P_O
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]You can, but you just don't. Because they're not worth saving. Do you forgive a serial rapist? He's done it repeatedly, and it's clear he's not gonna stop anytime soon. th3warr1or
I don't see how imprisonment until death won't stop a serial rapist tbh. He's behind bars, the courts see his history, he's convicted with no chance of release. That'll stop him.

I don't want to stop him. I want him to be punished, in all senses of the word. He didn't let the victim dictate his/her terms, he shouldn't be given the chance either. Eye for an eye? HELL YES.

Stopping him is a far more important issue than revenge. And how is being deprived of your liberty until you die not a punishment? Eye for an eye? You're going to have him raped?
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#125 th3warr1or
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Rape is essentially torture btw. Murder isn't.
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#126 th3warr1or
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="T_P_O"] I don't see how imprisonment until death won't stop a serial rapist tbh. He's behind bars, the courts see his history, he's convicted with no chance of release. That'll stop him.

I don't want to stop him. I want him to be punished, in all senses of the word. He didn't let the victim dictate his/her terms, he shouldn't be given the chance either. Eye for an eye? HELL YES.

Stopping him is a far more important issue than revenge. And how is being deprived of your liberty until you die not a punishment? Eye for an eye? You're going to have him raped?

I'm not going to be stopping it if that happens. I'm really not bothered if people think it's an 'wrong' or 'weak' stance to want the death of rapists because all the people who thinks so stances will change when they're the victims themselves(note: not convicted rapists, REAL rapists). Rape IS worse than murder. Being the "merciful" person who is against death sentences doesn't make you 'cool'. If he's as "mentally unstable" as people claim, he's not gonna be able to control himself. What do you do to a rabid dog? You put it down. And that's exactly what rapists are. Sick, twisted individuals.
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#128 Gordon-Gekko
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"] Says who? Rape is worse than murder. So as far as I'm concerned, Death sentence is indeed disproportionate. It's not enough.

No, it isn't worse. You don't come back from murder. It is more than enough. What do you propose, eternal torture in hell?
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#129 T_P_O
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"] I don't want to stop him. I want him to be punished, in all senses of the word. He didn't let the victim dictate his/her terms, he shouldn't be given the chance either. Eye for an eye? HELL YES.

Stopping him is a far more important issue than revenge. And how is being deprived of your liberty until you die not a punishment? Eye for an eye? You're going to have him raped?

I'm not going to be stopping it if that happens. I'm really not bothered if people think it's an 'wrong' or 'weak' stance to want the death of rapists because all the people who thinks so stances will change when they're the victims themselves(note: not convicted rapists, REAL rapists). Rape IS worse than murder. Being the "merciful" person who is against death sentences doesn't make you 'cool'. If he's as "mentally unstable" as people claim, he's not gonna be able to control himself. What do you do to a rabid dog? You put it down.

Listen, don't make me out to be this airheaded fool just because the death sentence isn't the only way to rob someone of a "second chance", life in cell does that fine. Get the hell over yourself please. And rabid dog? Like you, baying for blood?
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#130 th3warr1or
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[QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"] Says who? Rape is worse than murder. So as far as I'm concerned, Death sentence is indeed disproportionate. It's not enough.

No, it isn't worse. You don't come back from murder. It is more than enough. What do you propose, eternal torture in hell?

That's what everyone says, until they themselves or someone they know gets raped. Then the opinion changes on the spot. For the record, the fact that quite a handful of rape victims attempt suicide after that, proves that they DON'T WANT to come back from rape.
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#131 Gordon-Gekko
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Rape is essentially torture btw. th3warr1or
No, it isn't.
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#133 tester962
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]Rape is essentially torture btw. Murder isn't.

This is the dumbest post you have put forth in this thread so far.
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#134 th3warr1or
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="T_P_O"] Stopping him is a far more important issue than revenge. And how is being deprived of your liberty until you die not a punishment? Eye for an eye? You're going to have him raped?

I'm not going to be stopping it if that happens. I'm really not bothered if people think it's an 'wrong' or 'weak' stance to want the death of rapists because all the people who thinks so stances will change when they're the victims themselves(note: not convicted rapists, REAL rapists). Rape IS worse than murder. Being the "merciful" person who is against death sentences doesn't make you 'cool'. If he's as "mentally unstable" as people claim, he's not gonna be able to control himself. What do you do to a rabid dog? You put it down.

Listen, don't make me out to be this airheaded fool just because the death sentence isn't the only way to rob someone of a "second chance", life in cell does that fine. Get the hell over yourself please. And rabid dog? Like you, baying for blood?

Rofl, I love people like you. You play the Devil's advocate until the devil steals your soul and it's all "OH EM GEE I DON'T BELIEVE IT.. FAITH IN HUMANITY -10".
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#135 Gordon-Gekko
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"] Says who? Rape is worse than murder. So as far as I'm concerned, Death sentence is indeed disproportionate. It's not enough.

No, it isn't worse. You don't come back from murder. It is more than enough. What do you propose, eternal torture in hell?

That's what everyone says, until they themselves or someone they know gets raped. Then the opinion changes on the spot. For the record, the fact that quite a handful of rape victims attempt suicide after that, proves that they DON'T WANT to come back from rape.

My view is quite stable, thank you very much. A "handful" does not prove anything. A majority would. In that case, I woud love to see some figures.
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#136 tester962
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[QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"] Says who? Rape is worse than murder. So as far as I'm concerned, Death sentence is indeed disproportionate. It's not enough. th3warr1or
No, it isn't worse. You don't come back from murder. It is more than enough. What do you propose, eternal torture in hell?

That's what everyone says, until they themselves or someone they know gets raped. Then the opinion changes on the spot. For the record, the fact that quite a handful of rape victims attempt suicide after that, proves that they DON'T WANT to come back from rape.

I know 3 people who were raped. You are wrong in thinking that the idea of rape being worse than murder is a common thought among rape victims. If you want to keep saying it is and that most rape victims feel this way please provide evidence

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#137 th3warr1or
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[QUOTE="tester962"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]Rape is essentially torture btw. Murder isn't.

This is the dumbest post you have put forth in this thread so far.

I'll tell you what's dumb. The people who still consider rapists people.
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#138 T_P_O
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"] I'm not going to be stopping it if that happens. I'm really not bothered if people think it's an 'wrong' or 'weak' stance to want the death of rapists because all the people who thinks so stances will change when they're the victims themselves(note: not convicted rapists, REAL rapists). Rape IS worse than murder. Being the "merciful" person who is against death sentences doesn't make you 'cool'. If he's as "mentally unstable" as people claim, he's not gonna be able to control himself. What do you do to a rabid dog? You put it down.

Listen, don't make me out to be this airheaded fool just because the death sentence isn't the only way to rob someone of a "second chance", life in cell does that fine. Get the hell over yourself please. And rabid dog? Like you, baying for blood?

Rofl, I love people like you. You play the Devil's advocate until the devil steals your soul and it's all "OH EM GEE I DON'T BELIEVE IT.. FAITH IN HUMANITY -10".

Good job ignoring my point, again.
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#139 th3warr1or
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"]No, it isn't worse. You don't come back from murder. It is more than enough. What do you propose, eternal torture in hell?tester962
That's what everyone says, until they themselves or someone they know gets raped. Then the opinion changes on the spot. For the record, the fact that quite a handful of rape victims attempt suicide after that, proves that they DON'T WANT to come back from rape.

You are wrong in thinking that the idea of rape being worse than murder is a common though among rape victims.

This sentence made no sense. I am wrong, in thinking that the idea of rape being worse than murder is a common though among rape victims. What?
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#140 BuryMe
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[QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"][QUOTE="ITzCobra"]why would death be out of proportion, yous are forgetting about the victums, their lives are rouined by people like that. they constantly look over ther shoulders and wont go out in the dark aloneITzCobra
I'm glad you can see inside my mind. I'm aware of the repercussions of being raped. A lengthy sentence will do just fine.

why so they can get out and do it AGAIN and ruin some1 else life

They might do it again... But sex offenders have the lowest recidivism rate of all criminals...

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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"] Says who? Rape is worse than murder. So as far as I'm concerned, Death sentence is indeed disproportionate. It's not enough.

No, it isn't worse. You don't come back from murder. It is more than enough. What do you propose, eternal torture in hell?

That's what everyone says, until they themselves or someone they know gets raped. Then the opinion changes on the spot. For the record, the fact that quite a handful of rape victims attempt suicide after that, proves that they DON'T WANT to come back from rape.

correlation =/= causation there is a number of reasons as to why some rape victims commit suicide. Untreated PTSD, neglect from family members, an unknowing/uninformed social circle, a past history with depression, and a dozen other sociological and/or psychological factors coming into play. But i guess you just want to be right, even if your opinion is based on a blatant disregard for rational reasoning.
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#142 th3warr1or
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="T_P_O"] Listen, don't make me out to be this airheaded fool just because the death sentence isn't the only way to rob someone of a "second chance", life in cell does that fine. Get the hell over yourself please. And rabid dog? Like you, baying for blood?

I got your point, loud and clear. Except that rapists aren't always given life sentences? Rofl, I love people like you. You play the Devil's advocate until the devil steals your soul and it's all "OH EM GEE I DON'T BELIEVE IT.. FAITH IN HUMANITY -10".

Good job ignoring my point, again.

I got your point loud and clear. Except, the fact that rapists aren't always given a life sentence? And, in case you didn't notice, while I'd generally like them to be given the death sentence, my thread topic is "Do you think rapists deserve a chance?", not "Do you think rapists deserve the death sentence."
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#144 Gordon-Gekko
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"] I'm not going to be stopping it if that happens. I'm really not bothered if people think it's an 'wrong' or 'weak' stance to want the death of rapists because all the people who thinks so stances will change when they're the victims themselves(note: not convicted rapists, REAL rapists). Rape IS worse than murder. Being the "merciful" person who is against death sentences doesn't make you 'cool'. If he's as "mentally unstable" as people claim, he's not gonna be able to control himself. What do you do to a rabid dog? You put it down.

Listen, don't make me out to be this airheaded fool just because the death sentence isn't the only way to rob someone of a "second chance", life in cell does that fine. Get the hell over yourself please. And rabid dog? Like you, baying for blood?

Rofl, I love people like you. You play the Devil's advocate until the devil steals your soul and it's all "OH EM GEE I DON'T BELIEVE IT.. FAITH IN HUMANITY -10".

Poor Lucifer, getting dragged into internet discourse while minding his own business. There's no devil, there's no soul, and anyone who uses the phrase "faith in humanity" has lost my attention.
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#145 hiitsmeiggi
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Conclusion: th3warr1or did a bad thing and is covering his ass in the form of a thread.

I'm telling.

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#146 Gordon-Gekko
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="tester962"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]Rape is essentially torture btw. Murder isn't.

This is the dumbest post you have put forth in this thread so far.

I'll tell you what's dumb. The people who still consider rapists people.

rofl what? Of course they are people.
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#147 T_P_O
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"] I got your point, loud and clear. Except that rapists aren't always given life sentences? Rofl, I love people like you. You play the Devil's advocate until the devil steals your soul and it's all "OH EM GEE I DON'T BELIEVE IT.. FAITH IN HUMANITY -10".

Good job ignoring my point, again.

I said in the case of your serial rapist, a court would have to suffer from lunacy not to give life in that situation.
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#148 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

there never comes a point where someone cant be forgiven by no one

Gordon-Gekko

Well guess what..if i ever met a rapist i wouldn't forgive him and i would be all for execution..it is one of the most disgusting, sick and perverse things you can do to someone..

Execution is disproportionate to the crime.

I don't believe so, you ruined someone's life...scarred them..caused possibly irreversible emotional damage...so i think taking their life is fine...not worth much anyway..

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#149 tester962
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Conclusion: th3warr1or did a bad thing and is covering his ass in the form of a thread.

I'm telling.

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