Do you think rapists deserve a chance?

[QUOTE="ITzCobra"][QUOTE="T_P_O"]Yet some do.

Will you kill them all because many wont change?

Teenaged

[QUOTE="ITzCobra"]its never the same againGordon-Gekko

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="-eddy-"]Rapist don't think their victims have a chance to say no, so no I don't think rapist deserve their chance either.Teenaged

[QUOTE="ITzCobra"][QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"]Evidence?Gordon-Gekko

[QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"][QUOTE="ITzCobra"]its never the same againITzCobra

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[QUOTE="ITzCobra"][QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"]Evidence?MetallicaKings

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It's not worth the risk. Might I remind you that you're not killing innocent people with the ability to turn bad. You're killing a criminal with the ability to turn bad again. th3warr1or

I cant understand what you are trying to say in the seond sentence at all.

i am a pervious victmITzCobra

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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]It's not worth the risk. Might I remind you that you're not killing innocent people with the ability to turn bad. You're killing a criminal with the ability to turn bad again. Teenaged

I cant understand what you are trying to say in the seond sentence at all.

[QUOTE="ITzCobra"] applaud who?Gordon-Gekko

[QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"][QUOTE="ITzCobra"] applaud who?ITzCobra

[QUOTE="ITzCobra"][QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"]MetallicaKings.Gordon-Gekko

[QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"][QUOTE="ITzCobra"] why ITzCobra

Nah, they deserve to be raped.

Nah, they deserve to be raped.

Assassin1349

No. Cut their d*cks off and shoot them in the head.

why would death be out of proportion, yous are forgetting about the victums, their lives are rouined by people like that. they constantly look over ther shoulders and wont go out in the dark aloneITzCobra

Actually, i think the death penalty for rape offenses makes as much or more sense than it does for murder cases. With murder there can be a ton of other mitigating factors. Rape however is usually just rape.

No. Emraldo

Nah, they deserve to be raped.

Assassin1349

wut

[QUOTE="ITzCobra"]why would death be out of proportion, yous are forgetting about the victums, their lives are rouined by people like that. they constantly look over ther shoulders and wont go out in the dark alonecomp_atkins

I totally agree. However, i think that rape, on its own, without factoring in long term damage to the victim should be punishable by death. People will get over it if it happens to them, the person that did it still deserves to die.

Nah, they deserve to be raped.

Assassin1349

I don't believe in punishment proportionate to the crime. That's coddling criminals and really doesn't do anything to scare people from committing crimes. If there's irrefutable proof beyond just the victim's own testimony that said individual forcible and violently raped them and others then I'm all for giving that person the needle, gas and/or the spark as punishment.

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]It's not worth the risk. Might I remind you that you're not killing innocent people with the ability to turn bad. You're killing a criminal with the ability to turn bad again. Teenaged

I cant understand what you are trying to say in the seond sentence at all.

Actually, i think the death penalty for rape offenses makes as much or more sense than it does for murder cases. With murder there can be a ton of other mitigating factors. Rape however is usually just rape.

Alter_Echo

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]It's not worth the risk. Might I remind you that you're not killing innocent people with the ability to turn bad. You're killing a criminal with the ability to turn bad again. th3warr1or

I cant understand what you are trying to say in the seond sentence at all.

And no, even if I knew a person raped someone and had seen them with my own eyes I wouldnt want them killed.

I offered the uncertainty of conviction validity to counter your argument of what is worth the risk and what isnt.

[QUOTE="ITzCobra"]why would death be out of proportion, yous are forgetting about the victums, their lives are rouined by people like that. they constantly look over ther shoulders and wont go out in the dark alonecomp_atkins

The only crimes that deserve the death penalty are murder and high treason. Rape, torture, etc. are bad but the victim doesn't die and thus killing the criminal is an overreaction.

Most rape victims recover. The same cannot be said for a murder victim.

I am not sure, really.

I used to be of the mind that rape was worse than murder, that somehow you were stealing a person's sanity, soul, and innocence when you raped them.

but now, I am not so sure. Equating the punishment of forced sex with murder seems a bit excessive to me. After all, it is just sex; most women usually end up having sex with people they dont want to on accident anyway. That doesnt lessen the fact that rape is a horrible crime, but is it really that horrible as we all want to believe?

PS I am playing Devil's Advocate right now. I know a couple people that were raped, and they were changed forever, and changed for the worse

No, they don't deserve anything...

I am not sure, really.

I used to be of the mind that rape was worse than murder, that somehow you were stealing a person's sanity, soul, and innocence when you raped them.

but now, I am not so sure. Equating the punishment of forced sex with murder seems a bit excessive to me. After all, it is just sex; most women usually end up having sex with people they dont want to on accident anyway. That doesnt lessen the fact that rape is a horrible crime, but is it really that horrible as we all want to believe?

PS I am playing Devil's Advocate right now. I know a couple people that were raped, and they were changed forever, and changed for the worse

mrbojangles25

I don't. Of course, if that were the case, anyone who was accused of rape, whether he/she actually committed the act would be put to death, so instead of answering with that in mind(an innocent man/woman being put to death), assume that everyone who is convicted actually did it.(I used the term rapists, not convicted sex offenders, because some may actually be innocent.) If they did it, do they deserve to live?
Honestly, I don't think they deserve a chance at all. Rapists are rapists. I don't care under what circumstances did that happen, if a man killed your father, you don't rape that man's daughter as revenge. Rape as revenge to me, is not even a justifiable excuse, because manslaughter is essentially a death sentence in most cases, report that to the authorities.
Now, this is the reason why I think rapists should not be given a second chance. As far as I'm concerned, rape is in no way justifiable. If you killed a home intruder, I take that as a valid excuse. If you killed a mugger, also a valid reason for making that decision. Rapists, have made it obvious that they cannot control their own urges, and have to result to rape. They've got mental issues, and aren't people just doing it in the heat of the moment(unlike some murders). There may be a few exceptions to me (such as this guy who 'raped' someone while sleep walking). But for the most part, I don't even see why rapists are given a second chance; they couldn't control their urges then, what makes anyone think that they can control their urges now. Back then, they didn't pay for a prostitute, why would they now?
I think even a life-in-prison sentence is too mild for "people", and I use that term lightly, like this. th3warr1or

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

I am not sure, really.

I used to be of the mind that rape was worse than murder, that somehow you were stealing a person's sanity, soul, and innocence when you raped them.

but now, I am not so sure. Equating the punishment of forced sex with murder seems a bit excessive to me. After all, it is just sex; most women usually end up having sex with people they dont want to on accident anyway. That doesnt lessen the fact that rape is a horrible crime, but is it really that horrible as we all want to believe?

PS I am playing Devil's Advocate right now. I know a couple people that were raped, and they were changed forever, and changed for the worse

th3warr1or

never thought of it that way, the whole justification perspective. I suppose you are right

Of course they deserve a chance, a chance to die that is.

And please do not give me that killing does not justify a crime, that's just BS.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="ITzCobra"]why would death be out of proportion, yous are forgetting about the victums, their lives are rouined by people like that. they constantly look over ther shoulders and wont go out in the dark aloneAlter_Echo

I totally agree. However, i think that rape, on its own, without factoring in long term damage to the victim should be punishable by death. People will get over it if it happens to them, the person that did it still deserves to die.

They deserve a chance like you and me...you are in no place to say whether a person will feel remorse for what he did or not...lightleggy

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]They deserve a chance like you and me...you are in no place to say whether a person will feel remorse for what he did or not...th3warr1or

Yeah i'm with you on this one....just because he's "sorry" doesn't undo the action...

If the victim forgives, does the rapist deserve a second chance if he did his time? Justice has been served, but is that enough?

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="lightleggy"]They deserve a chance like you and me...you are in no place to say whether a person will feel remorse for what he did or not...Xx_Hopeless_xX

YEah i'm with you on this one....just because he's "sorry" doesn't undo the action...

I think murder can be justified. This guy in China killed an official, who was constantly cheating them and stealing their money and their land. He's currently facing a life sentence, even though like 18k people want him spared. th3warr1or

Yes, murder can sometimes be justified. However, you're comparing apples and oranges. You're comparing a crime against an innocent victim to a vengeful act. Big difference in the eyes of most people.

Some examples of why murder is worse:

- A 17 year old girl is abducted by three other boys on her way from school. They keep her locked up in their house for over a month while they torture her in various ways every day (making her eat her own feces, lighting her on fire, hitting, kicking, and of course rape but only as another way to make her suffer). Then after she finally gives out from 3rd degree burns that cover most of her body, they dump her in a barrell and encase her in cement, then throw the barrel away in a landfill. By the way this actually happened. One guy got 4-5 years in prison, another got 5-10 years, and the ringleader got 17 years.

- A mother drowns her five children in a bathtub. Little bit worse than raping them seeing as how that's five kids who will never be able to do anything ever again, to say nothing of the fact that their last moments were spent in pain, fear, and the sinking fact that their mother wanted them dead. Again, this actually happened. Not surprising though since women drowning their kids in bathtubs is apparently a rather common occurance judging by the amount of results you get if you google it.

Granted that's just two extreme examples, but keep in mind that things like botched robberies and home invasions, gangs targeting other gang members' families for intimidation, spouses killing each other for insurance money, and hate killings (such as finding out someone is a transexual and then beating them in various ways before tying them to a fence and letting them die from the elements) are very common. This may come as a shock to you, but a lot of murders are not against gangsters, drug dealers, and corrupt politicians. In fact, you'll find that whenever police discover a murder the first suspects are the victims' family members.

The only reason people view murder as "better" than rape in our society is because murder gets glorified whereas most people have a reaction of disgust to any sex crime. You rape a woman? Kill 'em! Kill an entire family just for kicks? Dude, you are one badass mother****er. Case in pont: One of the most popular shows on TV right now is about a serial killer. You don't see the same thing about a serial rapist.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]They deserve a chance like you and me...you are in no place to say whether a person will feel remorse for what he did or not...th3warr1or

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]They deserve a chance like you and me...you are in no place to say whether a person will feel remorse for what he did or not...th3warr1or

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="lightleggy"]They deserve a chance like you and me...you are in no place to say whether a person will feel remorse for what he did or not...Xx_Hopeless_xX

Yeah i'm with you on this one....just because he's "sorry" doesn't undo the action...