Do you think religion can be good for a person?

Do you think religion can be good for a person? I think it can. Thinking of all the miracles that people say happen,I dont think some of those miracles would have happened without help from religion. I think all religions and beliefs all have the same concept of trying to help a person be better. You live your life a certain way, things are gonna be better than normal if what you chose to live by works.

Definitely. Without a doubt.

You do not need to believe in fantastical entities in order to improve yourself. If you do, then the problems with your personality run far deeper than the issue of whether or not you are religious.

No. Example? Charles Manson. Another example? The Crusades.

No. Example? Charles Manson. Another example? The Crusades.

Digital_DJ_00

What? How on Earth does that mean religion cant be good for a person.

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No. Example? Charles Manson. Another example? The Crusades.

Ilovegames1992

What? How on Earth does that mean religion cant be good for a person.

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No. Example? Charles Manson. Another example? The Crusades.

Digital_DJ_00

What? How on Earth does that mean religion cant be good for a person.

Can religion be good for a person?

No because it isnt good for some people.

What kind of retarded logic is that.

Like saying water isnt good for a person because some people have died in water....

Absolutely, anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves and is naive.

Faith can be good for a person - believing in Christianity, Judaism or whatever genuinely gives some people some structure and guidance in their life.

Religion is trickier since you're often following someone else's interpretation - Events like the crusades are often the fault of a very small number of people and their own interpretation, not the fault of the faithful (who, at that time, were less educated) who follow them.

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What? How on Earth does that mean religion cant be good for a person.

Ilovegames1992

Can religion be good for a person?

No because it isnt good for some people.

What kind of retarded logic is that.

Like saying water isnt good for a person because some people have died in water....

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Do you know what those two words are?

Digital_DJ_00

Can religion be good for a person?

No because it isnt good for some people.

What kind of retarded logic is that.

Like saying water isnt good for a person because some people have died in water....

No, you were unable to realise a simple piece of obvious sarcasm. And your logic is still retarded.

No. Example? Charles Manson. Another example? The Crusades.

Digital_DJ_00

And I bring you the Holocaust / WWI and II / Joseph Stalin. These involved a considerate number of deaths, some more than wars where religion was involved.

Plus, focusing on negatives makes you an idiot. Religion has done many good things too but they are conveniently overlooked by militant atheists.

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No. Example? Charles Manson. Another example? The Crusades.

Spitfirer

And I bring you the Holocaust / WWI and II / Joseph Stalin. These involved a considerate number of deaths, some more than wars where religion was involved.

Precisely. More people were killed in the 20th century collectively from wars than any other century. YET, none of those wars were religious wars.

Selective memory is definitely a problem with religion bashers.

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No. Example? Charles Manson. Another example? The Crusades.

Asim90

And I bring you the Holocaust / WWI and II / Joseph Stalin. These involved a considerate number of deaths, some more than wars where religion was involved.

Precisely. More people were killed in the 20th century collectively from wars than any other century. YET, none of those wars were religious wars.

Selective memory is definitely a problem with religion bashers.

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And I bring you the Holocaust / WWI and II / Joseph Stalin. These involved a considerate number of deaths, some more than wars where religion was involved.

Digital_DJ_00

Precisely. More people were killed in the 20th century collectively from wars than any other century. YET, none of those wars were religious wars.

Selective memory is definitely a problem with religion bashers.

Still dont see how that means other people cant benefit from religion at all. I think you need to just calm down and think before you post your anti-religion rubbish.

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Precisely. More people were killed in the 20th century collectively from wars than any other century. YET, none of those wars were religious wars.

Selective memory is definitely a problem with religion bashers.

Ilovegames1992

Still dont see how that means other people cant benefit from religion at all. I think you need to just calm down and think before you post your anti-religion rubbish.

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You totally missed the point I was getting at... Charles Manson killed in the name of Christ, The Crusades were fought over what they had believed to be "The Holy Land of God". I don't remember any of your following examples of war being started by the belief of atheism... Oh and lets not forget the kidnappers of Elizibeth Smart who believed that was "Gods Will".

Digital_DJ_00

Still dont see how that means other people cant benefit from religion at all. I think you need to just calm down and think before you post your anti-religion rubbish

It was just a friendly suggestion before you make yourself look a total fool. But carry on.

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Still dont see how that means other people cant benefit from religion at all. I think you need to just calm down and think before you post your anti-religion rubbish

Ilovegames1992

It was just a friendly suggestion before you make yourself look a total fool. But carry on.

Of course. Those who need religion will use it. Those who don't, won't.

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Sigh... Nevermind then. Let's see what Spitfirer and Asim90 have to say then I guess.

Digital_DJ_00

It was just a friendly suggestion before you make yourself look a total fool. But carry on.

You believe that because religion hasnt had a positive effect on some people, Crusades etc etc, it cannot have a positive effect on anyone. That seems weird to me yes.

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It was just a friendly suggestion before you make yourself look a total fool. But carry on.

Ilovegames1992

You believe that because religion hasnt had a positive effect on some people, Crusades etc etc, it cannot have a positive effect on anyone. That seems weird to me yes.

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You totally missed the point I was getting at... Charles Manson killed in the name of Christ, The Crusades were fought over what they had believed to be "The Holy Land of God". I don't remember any of your following examples of war being started by the belief of atheism... Oh and lets not forget the kidnappers of Elizibeth Smart who believed that was "Gods Will".

Digital_DJ_00

Still dont see how that means other people cant benefit from religion at all. I think you need to just calm down and think before you post your anti-religion rubbish.

Those things were not done in the name of religion though, which shows that religion is NOT the root cause behind war. Humans are. Also, Stalin was an Atheist and promoted Atheism, so from one perspective you could say that Atheism inspired his actions. That's not to say that all Atheists are evil though, obviously.

However when its the other way round, its okay to generalise and make sweeping statements.

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And I bring you the Holocaust / WWI and II / Joseph Stalin. These involved a considerate number of deaths, some more than wars where religion was involved.

Digital_DJ_00

Precisely. More people were killed in the 20th century collectively from wars than any other century. YET, none of those wars were religious wars.

Selective memory is definitely a problem with religion bashers.

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Still dont see how that means other people cant benefit from religion at all. I think you need to just calm down and think before you post your anti-religion rubbish.

Asim90

Those things were not done in the name of religion though, which shows that religion is NOT the root cause behind war. Humans are. Also, Stalin was an Atheist and promoted Atheism, so from one perspective you could say that Atheism inspired his actions. That's not to say that all Atheists are evil though, obviously.

However when its the other way round, its okay to generalise and make sweeping statements.

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Precisely. More people were killed in the 20th century collectively from wars than any other century. YET, none of those wars were religious wars.

Selective memory is definitely a problem with religion bashers.

Gibsonsg527

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Sigh... Nevermind then. Let's see what Spitfirer and Asim90 have to say then I guess.

Digital_DJ_00

Those things were not done in the name of religion though, which shows that religion is NOT the root cause behind war. Humans are. Also, Stalin was an Atheist and promoted Atheism, so from one perspective you could say that Atheism inspired his actions. That's not to say that all Atheists are evil though, obviously.

However when its the other way round, its okay to generalise and make sweeping statements.

I was referring to the wars of the 20th Century.

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You totally missed the point I was getting at... Charles Manson killed in the name of Christ, The Crusades were fought over what they had believed to be "The Holy Land of God". I don't remember any of your following examples of war being started by the belief of atheism... Oh and lets not forget the kidnappers of Elizibeth Smart who believed that was "Gods Will".

Digital_DJ_00

Oh come on! If that was true the World would be in a much worse place. There are 1.6 billion muslims, 2 billion Christians and hundreds of millions of other religious people. If the majority of them condemned you, you wouldn't be alive right now.

Don't exaggerate and blow things WAY out of proportion.

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Those things were not done in the name of religion though, which shows that religion is NOT the root cause behind war. Humans are. Also, Stalin was an Atheist and promoted Atheism, so from one perspective you could say that Atheism inspired his actions. That's not to say that all Atheists are evil though, obviously.

However when its the other way round, its okay to generalise and make sweeping statements.

Asim90

I was referring to the wars of the 20th Century.

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[QUOTE="Gibsonsg527"] Actually everyone here completely understands what you are saying, its not that hard to understand that people have killed in the name of their beliefs before. But YOU fail to see that just because a group of idiots abused and used their religion to their advantage it doesn't mean that everyone else will do the same. This a discussion of whether religion CAN do some good. OT: yes in fact I have personaly know people who were helped by religion. Religion gave them a reason or motivation to to leave their bad habits in the past such as crime, alcohol abuse and drug addiction.

Asim90

Oh come on! If that was true the World would be in a much worse place. There are 1.6 billion muslims, 2 billion Christians and hundreds of millions of other religious people. If the majority of them condemned you, you wouldn't be alive right now.

Don't exaggerate and blow things WAY out of proportion.

I consider religion to be a part of culture, so yes it can be good for some people.

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the majority of people who practice religion use it as a crutch and use it to condemn others for not practicing or believing in their religion.

Digital_DJ_00

Oh come on! If that was true the World would be in a much worse place. There are 1.6 billion muslims, 2 billion Christians and hundreds of millions of other religious people. If the majority of them condemned you, you wouldn't be alive right now.

Don't exaggerate and blow things WAY out of proportion.

You actually bring up a good example here. Mormonism. I've never, ever, met an unhappy Mormon.

I believe it can; if they have nothing else in their lives they can always make an invisible friend.

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Oh come on! If that was true the World would be in a much worse place. There are 1.6 billion muslims, 2 billion Christians and hundreds of millions of other religious people. If the majority of them condemned you, you wouldn't be alive right now.

Don't exaggerate and blow things WAY out of proportion.

Ilovegames1992

You actually bring up a good example here. Mormonism. I've never, ever, met an unhappy Mormon.

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Okay I did exaggerate a little bit. If this conversation took place in the 15th century then my stand point would have some weight. I've just had way too many run ins with religous zealots, I was born and raised in Utah... I'm sure now you understand. But just for the sake of the possibility of the question being raised: No I'm not Mormon.

Digital_DJ_00

You actually bring up a good example here. Mormonism. I've never, ever, met an unhappy Mormon.

Fair enough, that sucks for you. But they're happy. So religion can be good for a person. Even if what they believe is so bizarre its awesome.

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Okay I did exaggerate a little bit. If this conversation took place in the 15th century then my stand point would have some weight. I've just had way too many run ins with religous zealots, I was born and raised in Utah... I'm sure now you understand. But just for the sake of the possibility of the question being raised: No I'm not Mormon.

Digital_DJ_00

You actually bring up a good example here. Mormonism. I've never, ever, met an unhappy Mormon.

Well, religion isn't inherently bad if that's what you're thinking.Stavrogin_

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You actually bring up a good example here. Mormonism. I've never, ever, met an unhappy Mormon.

sonicare

Mormons do too, on their "missions".

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And I bring you the Holocaust / WWI and II / Joseph Stalin. These involved a considerate number of deaths, some more than wars where religion was involved.

Digital_DJ_00

Precisely. More people were killed in the 20th century collectively from wars than any other century. YET, none of those wars were religious wars.

Selective memory is definitely a problem with religion bashers.

You do realise that when someone who isn't religious treats people like meat, it's a corruption of the atheist belief system, right? Never mind the fact that humans would have fought wars anyway, regardless of whether it was due to ancient texts or whatnot. If someone copies a murder from a computer ga,e do you blame it on the computer game or maybe consider the fact that there's not enough psychological help going around?

You do realise thatthe fact that you focused solely on a negative example makes you an idiot?

And did you honestly think people would have nothing to say to your utterly narrow and parochial views on religion?

If religion is nothing but lies and superstition then what does it matter?

no,but sometimes people can take it to far,i have many religious friends who are actually quite normal

Yes it can be good and bad as well for an individual.