Do you think the 9/11 attacks were legit ??

[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="BMD004"]It is kind of weird that many Ron Paul supporters believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy. I like a lot of what Ron Paul says and he often makes a lot of sense. But I don't think Ron Paul thinks 9/11 was a conspiracy, and I don't think for a second that it was either. So I don't know what the link between 9/11 conspiracy theories and Ron Paul is. Why do conspiracy theorists like him so much?Ravensmash

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

I gotta admit I did but I had a conversation with a guy that asked question that I admit had me stumped. I now think that there needs to be a major investigation into the largest attack on american soil. I also think that the laws that were passed need to be overturned and the troops recalled. Americans need to ask questions and to pay attention to what their govenment is doing.

noscope-ak47

Yeah we went to iraq and bin laden was not there ??

On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor. These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers, managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York, while in Washington a pilot who couldnt handle a single engine Cessna was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced missing from the Pentagons coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001. Luckily, the news anchors knew who did it within minutes, the pundits knew within hours, the Administration knew within the day, and the evidence literally fell into the FBIs lap. But for some reason a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists demanded an investigation into the greatest attack on American soil in history. The investigation was delayed, underfunded, set up to fail, a conflict of interest and a cover up from start to finish. It was based on testimony extracted through torture, the records of which were destroyed. It failed to mention the existence of WTC7, Able Danger, Ptech, Sibel Edmonds, OBL and the CIA, and the drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings that were being simulated at the precise same time that those events were actually happening. It was lied to by the Pentagon, the CIA, the Bush Administration and as for Bush and Cheneywell, no one knows what they told it because they testified in secret, off the record, not under oath and behind closed doors. It didnt bother to look at who funded the attacks because that question is of little practical significance. Still, the 9/11 Commission did brilliantly, answering all of the questions the public had (except most of the victims family members questions) and pinned blame on all the people responsible (although no one so much as lost their job), determining the attacks were a failure of imagination because I dont think anyone could envision flying airplanes into buildings except the Pentagon and FEMA and NORAD and the NRO. The DIA destroyed 2.5 TB of data on Able Danger, but thats OK because it probably wasnt important. The SEC destroyed their records on the investigation into the insider trading before the attacks, but thats OK because destroying the records of the largest investigation in SEC history is just part of routine record keeping. NIST has classified the data that they used for their model of WTC7?s collapse, but thats OK because knowing how they made their model of that collapse would jeopardize public safety. The FBI has argued that all material related to their investigation of 9/11 should be kept secret from the public, but thats OK because the FBI probably has nothing to hide. This man never existed, nor is anything he had to say worthy of your attention, and if you say otherwise you are a paranoid conspiracy theorist and deserve to be shunned by all of humanity. Likewise him, him, him, and her. (and her and her and him). Osama Bin Laden lived in a cave fortress in the hills of Afghanistan, but somehow got away. Then he was hiding out in Tora Bora but somehow got away. Then he lived in Abottabad for years, taunting the most comprehensive intelligence dragnet employing the most sophisticated technology in the history of the world for 10 years, releasing video after video with complete impunity (and getting younger and younger as he did so), before finally being found in a daring SEAL team raid which wasnt recorded on video, in which he didnt resist or use his wife as a human shield, and in which these crack special forces operatives panicked and killed this unarmed man, supposedly the best source of intelligence about those dastardly terrorists on the planet. Then they dumped his body in the ocean before telling anyone about it. Then a couple dozen of that teams members died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan. This is the story of 9/11, brought to you by the media which told you the hard truths about JFK and incubator babies and mobile production facilities and the rescue of Jessica Lynch. If you have any questions about this storyyou are a batsh*t, paranoid, tinfoil, dog-abusing baby-hater and will be reviled by everyone. If you love your country and/or freedom, happiness, rainbows, rock and roll, puppy dogs, apple pie and your grandma, you will never ever express doubts about any part of this story to anyone. Ever. This has been a public service announcement by: the Friends of the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, SEC, MSM, White House, NIST, and the 9/11 Commission. Because Ignorance is Strength.MrPraline

Wow this is similar to the info I got and I admit I really have no answer to many of the points. I will say this I have some training with explosives from my time in the military and bring down a building is not easy. I will give you the towers but not building 7 no way should that have come down but if it did not that fast.

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[QUOTE="thebest31406"] When do you mean when you say "legit?" Are you asking if Bin Laden was truly to blame for them?sethman410

Yeah we went to iraq and bin laden was not there ??

Ok we were in iraq way before 19 march if you know what I mean.

Americans need to ask questions and to pay attention to what their govenment is doing.

noscope-ak47

I thought it was a movie.SolidSnake35

It was clearly the work of the Welsh Green Party.

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I think Al Qaeda attacked us on 9/11.

Wasdie

Blasphemy. It was clearly Poland.

No, no it was Mongolia. You never hear about them these days, which means they are up to something. I think they pulled a fast one on us.

Furthers can never state what benefit the US would have got by staging the 9/11 attacks. It can't be the oil because we didn't get any, so what else is there? I guess most truthers are virgins who hope hot girls will overhear their facts and be so impressed they'll screw them on the spot or something.ad1x2

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I thought it was a movie.noscope-ak47

Furthers can never state what benefit the US would have got by staging the 9/11 attacks. It can't be the oil because we didn't get any, so what else is there? I guess most truthers are virgins who hope hot girls will overhear their facts and be so impressed they'll screw them on the spot or something.ad1x2

It was obviously a CIA plot to justify a war in Iraq. This can be easily seen by the obvious links between the 9/11 attacks and Sadam Hussein as the US govt has shown. Oh wait . . . .

buildings came down....stuff got blowed up good.....sh*t was legit yo....Omni-Slash

Wow this is similar to the info I got and I admit I really have no answer to many of the points. I will say this I have some training with explosives from my time in the military and bring down a building is not easy. I will give you the towers but not building 7 no way should that have come down but if it did not that fast.

noscope-ak47

You do realize that building 7 was damaged by WTC 1 and burned all day before it collapsed and was fed by diesel fuel right?

[QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

Wow this is similar to the info I got and I admit I really have no answer to many of the points. I will say this I have some training with explosives from my time in the military and bring down a building is not easy. I will give you the towers but not building 7 no way should that have come down but if it did not that fast.

WhiteKnight77

You do realize that building 7 was damaged by WTC 1 and burned all day before it collapsed and was fed by diesel fuel right?

1: it only harboured relatively small fires, which is why it wasn't a priority

2: WTC 7 was indeed dmg'd by WTC 1, but look how far away those two buildings were situated from eachother

yet WTC 7 somehow collapses in a similar manner to WTC 1-2

k lol

Conspiracy theories have been debunked. But I guess some people don't look for facts....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Conspiracy theories have been debunked. But I guess some people don't look for facts....BiancaDK

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Conspiracy theories have been debunked. But I guess some people don't look for facts....BiancaDK

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Conspiracy theories have been debunked. But I guess some people don't look for facts....LJS9502_basic

What's the motivation for blowing up WTC 7 then? It was abandoned so no people were injured. It had no sensational impact. What's the point of it? Besides, if they wanted to create a scenario to invade Iraq, wouldn't they have made Iraq the culprit behind the 9/11 attacks? Or at least had some association with them? You would think if you went to all that trouble to create an incident, it would have addressed those details . . . . sonicare

[QUOTE="sonicare"]What's the motivation for blowing up WTC 7 then? It was abandoned so no people were injured. It had no sensational impact. What's the point of it? Besides, if they wanted to create a scenario to invade Iraq, wouldn't they have made Iraq the culprit behind the 9/11 attacks? Or at least had some association with them? You would think if you went to all that trouble to create an incident, it would have addressed those details . . . . BiancaDK

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Conspiracy theories have been debunked. But I guess some people don't look for facts....sonicare

If the US government could walk and chew gum at the same time it would be miracle let alone pull off a conspiracy this big.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="sonicare"]What's the motivation for blowing up WTC 7 then? It was abandoned so no people were injured. It had no sensational impact. What's the point of it? Besides, if they wanted to create a scenario to invade Iraq, wouldn't they have made Iraq the culprit behind the 9/11 attacks? Or at least had some association with them? You would think if you went to all that trouble to create an incident, it would have addressed those details . . . . sonicare

If the US government could walk and chew gum at the same time it would be miracle let alone pull off a conspiracy this big.

EasyStreet

Critical thinking is anathema to conspiracy theorists.....LJS9502_basic

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If the US government could walk and chew gum at the same time it would be miracle let alone pull off a conspiracy this big.

sonicare

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Critical thinking is anathema to conspiracy theorists.....BiancaDK

I'm not trolling.LJS9502_basic

ROFL

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all caps would make the reader think that i am more emotionally invested in this than i am actually am ;d ;d

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm not trolling.BiancaDK

ROFL

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all caps would make the reader think that i am more emotionally invested in this than i am actually am ;d ;d

lol im not reading your crap, lj, i kinda never really do :pBiancaDK

Sure it was legit as it actually happened.

*puts on tinfoil hat*

One conspiracy theory, and perhaps the most 'patriotic' theory, is that we were attacked by a group of Middle Eastern people who hate the idea of Freedom & Liberty and despise the West, especially the US, for being the so called epitome of what a free nation is. That somehow these outsiders were able to make a mockery out of US by breaching and circumventing it's security on all levels and were able to conduct the most heinous attack on America since Pearl Harbour

Another conspiracy theory suggests that a group of well funded and trained Middle Eastern people attacked the US in retaliation to the oppressive conduct and nature of the continuous American presence in their region of the globe, but that higher ups in the administration at the time allowed the attacks to be for the most part, successfully accomplished(like Pearl Harbor), so that the US could have reason and the support of the nation to advance the policies of the conglomerates who have the government in their pockets. The reason why Saddam Hussein's head was back in the crosshairs is because the US had refused to leave Iraq once the first Desert Gulf War had ended. So Hussein switched his oil transactions from the Dollar to the Euro which put a halt on the 'PetroDollar', and since Iraq is one of the US's largest importers of oil, the US then had to get the more expensive Euro to get the same oil it was getting with it's very own Greenbacks. Now we have military bases overlooking the Garden of Eden to make sure we're nearby incase other surrounding nations don't follow the political & corporate interests of America and it's handlers.

Here is a video about Popular Mechanics debunking the conspiracy theories. There are conspiracy theorists also on this pannel debating with Popular Mechanics. It isn't the video I'm talking about, but it is A video talking about the same things. I haven't watched this particular video, but I'm assuming it gives similar information:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoAlQ--za30

BMD004

Thank you!

I would never buy that 9/11 was a conspiracy, but at the same time when someone starts saying "well what about this?" and you do not have an answer then you are kind of stuck.

Here is a video about Popular Mechanics debunking the conspiracy theories. There are conspiracy theorists also on this pannel debating with Popular Mechanics. It isn't the video I'm talking about, but it is A video talking about the same things. I haven't watched this particular video, but I'm assuming it gives similar information:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoAlQ--za30

BMD004

I've seen this. The Loose Change people just sound a bit crazy.

Nazi alien jews who formed the Illuminati to brain wash people with anime and rule as lizard men. :P [spoiler] nope [/spoiler] FMAB_GTO

< 3 your new sig :)

Topic: yes the attacks were legit.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Conspiracy theories have been debunked. But I guess some people don't look for facts....BiancaDK

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[QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

Wow this is similar to the info I got and I admit I really have no answer to many of the points. I will say this I have some training with explosives from my time in the military and bring down a building is not easy. I will give you the towers but not building 7 no way should that have come down but if it did not that fast.

BiancaDK

You do realize that building 7 was damaged by WTC 1 and burned all day before it collapsed and was fed by diesel fuel right?

1: it only harboured relatively small fires, which is why it wasn't a priority

2: WTC 7 was indeed dmg'd by WTC 1, but look how far away those two buildings were situated from eachother

yet WTC 7 somehow collapses in a similar manner to WTC 1-2

k lol

You are using the very same graphic I use to show that WTC7 was in the damage zone. Fully 1/4 if not 1/3 of the building was in said zone. The following pics show the damage to the building from the falling debris from WTC1.

Then, as seen in this video, how the collapse transpired:

9/11 Debunked: WTC 7's Collapse Explained. The emergency generator fuel distribution system, being damaged and feeding the not so small fires, weakened even further the trusses used to hold the upper floors up which eventually gave way.

With up to a quarter of the lower portion of the building missing, there is much less to hold the building up. It wasn't a matter if if it would collapse, but when.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor.MrPraline

This is a great example of rhetoric compared to logic & reason.

19 men with boxcutters...factual....presented as unbelievable, but is perfectly believable because prior to 9/11 standard operating procedure for airlines was to immediately cooperate with hijackers. 19 men with fingers in their coat pockets pretending to have guns could have accomplished the same thing.

a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop....designed to denigrate the opponent, who cares if the guy was on dialysis, or had cancer, or was a super fit warrior. Of what relevance is this at all. Am I supposed to believe that only guys in suits in office towers are smart enough to plan this?

the most sophisticated penetration....laughably false. This was not sophisticated at all. It was simple. Which is why it worked. Your common drug smuggler runs more 'sophisticated penetrations' than this.

Most heavily defended air-space in the world...also laughably false. Internal US air travel then and pretty much still today is the most open, least defended air-space. At the time, the entire air defence apparatus was pointed outwards towards the borders and beyond. No one imagined an air threat originating from inside the country so no one devised systems to combat that. Why would they have internal air defense?

Overpowering the passengers....with the exception of the Pennsylvania flight the passengers appeared to have followed crew orders/protocol and cooperated. Why wouldn't they? So what overpowering are we talking about?

And military trained combat pilots...same answer as the passengers. Moreover, what makes anyone think military trained pilots are Rambo or special forces trained or something. Assuming the airline pilots did previously have some military training, they would have had to run, take a phys ed test, and qualify with a sidearm once a year. Big deal. Having spent 9 yrs as an officer in the airforce I can assure you that these pilots are not Rambos or Terminators. And as civilian pilots they aren't anything more than an average guy.

Before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor....sounds impressive...until you turn off the aircraft transponder making you a speck in a big wide sky. Meanwhile, no one stationed alert aircraft to defend the interior against rogue passenger planes. And the military does not do so well with making things up on the fly so you can imagine just how confused every one would be. Hardly surprising. It would take a while for civilian air traffic control to figure out anything was wrong at all. And then they couldn't possibly connect multiple events. And then who exactly do you tell? Its not like these guys practiced calling the military every day. Then you work the chain of command. Then someone sends an order to an alert fighter base and the two pilots take 15 min to launch. Then they have to find a speck in the sky. Yep sounds easy, like a well oiled machine..not.

I could do the same with every phrase/sentence of your rubbish link, but I prefer to pity you instead.