Do you think the 9/11 attacks were legit ??

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#151 shakmaster13
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[QUOTE="Jagged3dge"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Corrupt, maybe. But skillful enough to pull off the biggest conspiracy of the 21st Century? Highly doubt it.

worlock77

Fair enough. Never said they did it, but you got to admit it would be a great strategy to justify going to war. Playing on the public's emotions of fear, bewilderment, and anger. All I'm trying to say is that they don't really care about us.

It really wouldn't be. The US has never needed such elaborate reasons to use military force before. Not sure why they'd suddenly construct something like 9/11 to justify now (err, then rather). If they were manufacturing evidence to go to war in Afghanistan then all they would have needed to do is construct a few intelligence reports and the American public never would have given it a second thought.

Yes we have. How else do you think we ended up in both of the World Wars? inb4 Japan attacked us, we had basically been tearing up their economy and had practically been waging and undeclared war on the Japanese people. I kind of like the Bismark-style policy that the US has been taking: "Let's make other people attack us so we can declare war on them without the international community even blinking"
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#152 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Jagged3dge"] Fair enough. Never said they did it, but you got to admit it would be a great strategy to justify going to war. Playing on the public's emotions of fear, bewilderment, and anger. All I'm trying to say is that they don't really care about us.shakmaster13

It really wouldn't be. The US has never needed such elaborate reasons to use military force before. Not sure why they'd suddenly construct something like 9/11 to justify now (err, then rather). If they were manufacturing evidence to go to war in Afghanistan then all they would have needed to do is construct a few intelligence reports and the American public never would have given it a second thought.

Yes we have. How else do you think we ended up in both of the World Wars? inb4 Japan attacked us, we had basically been tearing up their economy and had practically been waging and undeclared war on the Japanese people. I kind of like the Bismark-style policy that the US has been taking: "Let's make other people attack us so we can declare war on them without the international community even blinking"

Be that as it may, that is diffirent from fabricating an attack.

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Usually people that criticize the US government for being stupid, are the same ones saying they orchestrated what is to be the biggest cover-up in the history of the world, I always thought that was funny.

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#154 LJS9502_basic
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I think that members of the government knew about and facilitated the attack.shakmaster13
That's rather silly.....
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[QUOTE="jetpower3"]

And on a related note, I laugh at those who think that Saddam had the clout to change the pricing currency of oil from USD to EUR (at least in any serious threat to U.S. interests).

_R34LiTY_

I take it then that you laugh at Time Magazine as well....

Europe's dream of promoting the euro as a competitor to the U.S. dollar may get a boost from SADDAM HUSSEIN. Iraq says that from now on, it wants payments for its oil in euros, despite the fact that the battered European currency unit, which used to be worth quite a bit more than $1, has dropped to about 82[cents]. Iraq says it will no longer accept dollars for oil because it does not want to deal "in the currency of the enemy."

The switch to euros would cost the U.N. a small fortune in accounting-paperwork changes. It would also reduce the interest earnings and reparations payments that Iraq is making for damage it caused during the Gulf War, a shortfall the Iraqis would have to make up.

The move hurts Iraq, the U.N. and the countries receiving reparations. So why is Saddam doing it? Diplomatic sources say switching to the euro will favor European suppliers over U.S. ones in competing for Iraqi contracts, and the p.r. boost that Baghdad would probably get in Europe would be another plus.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,998512,00.html#ixzz1yi63CDSDTime Magazine

Incidentally, Muammar Ghadafi suffered the same fate when he too ditched the Dollar in order to sell his oil in gold backed African Dinars, a currency Ghadafi was looking to introduce.

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A country's wealth would depend on how much gold it had and not how many dollars it traded. And Libya has 144 tons of gold. The UK, for example, has twice as much, but ten times the population.

"If Gaddafi had an intent to try to re-price his oil or whatever else the country was selling on the global market and accept something else as a currency or maybe launch a gold dinar currency, any move such as that would certainly not be welcomed by the power elite today, who are responsible for controlling the world's central banks,"says Anthony Wile, founder and chief editor of the Daily Bell.

"So yes, that would certainly be something that would cause his immediate dismissal and the need for other reasons to be brought forward from moving him from power."

And it has happened before.

In 2000, Saddam Hussein announced Iraqi oil would be traded in euros, not dollars. Some say sanctions and an invasion followed because the Americans were desperate to prevent OPEC from transferring oil trading in all its member countries to the euro.

...

http://www.rt.com/news/economy-oil-gold-libya/RT

I'll take your laughter as part of your own lunacy.

Iraq can do what it wants. That doesn't mean that anyone else is going to play ball with them. As I said, Iraq's oil production alone is nothing special, and I certainly wouldn't risk empowering a man whose blatant military aggressions were well known (even if only politically).

And I'd cite something better than that sorry excuse for a news agency that is RT.

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#156 WhiteKnight77
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Usually people that criticize the US government for being stupid, are the same ones saying they orchestrated what is to be the biggest cover-up in the history of the world, I always thought that was funny.

tagyhag

That is the funny part. People swore up and down that GWB was as dumb as a bunch of rocks, yet they proclaim that he and his government were behind one of the biggest attacks against US citizens on US soil since Pearl Harbor. How can that be?

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[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

Usually people that criticize the US government for being stupid, are the same ones saying they orchestrated what is to be the biggest cover-up in the history of the world, I always thought that was funny.

WhiteKnight77

That is the funny part. People swore up and down that GWB was as dumb as a bunch of rocks, yet they proclaim that he and his government were behind one of the biggest attacks against US citizens on US soil since Pearl Harbor. How can that be?

To be fair the people who stated that he was dumb as hell were mostly people of the opposing political party.. The crazy conspiracy theorist really don't fit into any party outside of crazy.
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#158 WhiteKnight77
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[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

Usually people that criticize the US government for being stupid, are the same ones saying they orchestrated what is to be the biggest cover-up in the history of the world, I always thought that was funny.

sSubZerOo

That is the funny part. People swore up and down that GWB was as dumb as a bunch of rocks, yet they proclaim that he and his government were behind one of the biggest attacks against US citizens on US soil since Pearl Harbor. How can that be?

To be fair the people who stated that he was dumb as hell were mostly people of the opposing political party.. The crazy conspiracy theorist really don't fit into any party outside of crazy.

Exacty my point. One has to be crazy to think that GWB was so dumb yet smart enough that he could pull off something so intricate as 9-11 no matter what party they belong to.

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America is telling the truth man!!! since their passenger jets are flying dild*s

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America is telling the truth man!!! since their passenger jets are flying dild*s

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Congratulations on somehow managing to have the stupidest post in a Truther thread.

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#161 Jazz_Fan
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No, I don't believe they actually happened at all. It was a projection from the same aliens who created the pyramids. The reason: so US citizens would put flags up every 9/11 to annoy me.
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#162 worlock77
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No, I don't believe they actually happened at all. It was a projection from the same aliens who created the pyramids. The reason: so US citizens would put flags up every 9/11 to annoy me.Jazz_Fan

I always love seeing the "never forget" crap from people who never gave a sh*t about New York City before 9/11, and haven't gave a sh*t about it since about a week after 9/11.

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#163 Sedin44
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[QUOTE="Jazz_Fan"]No, I don't believe they actually happened at all. It was a projection from the same aliens who created the pyramids. The reason: so US citizens would put flags up every 9/11 to annoy me.worlock77

I always love seeing the "never forget" crap from people who never gave a sh*t about New York City before 9/11, and haven't gave a sh*t about it since about a week after 9/11.

Way to call me out in front of all of gamespot. Hate those yankees too. They couldn't have hijacked one more lousy plane and hit a stadium?
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#164 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Jazz_Fan"]No, I don't believe they actually happened at all. It was a projection from the same aliens who created the pyramids. The reason: so US citizens would put flags up every 9/11 to annoy me.Sedin44

I always love seeing the "never forget" crap from people who never gave a sh*t about New York City before 9/11, and haven't gave a sh*t about it since about a week after 9/11.

Way to call me out in front of all of gamespot. Hate those yankees too. They couldn't have hijacked one more lousy plane and hit a stadium?

Ineffective plan. Considering how early in the day it was the stadium would have been empty then. Perhaps some grounds crew or club staff there, but no Yankee players (even assuming that the Yankees weren't on the road then).

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#165 deactivated-5b78379493e12
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Yes. I've seen no legitimate evidence to the contrary.

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TT fell at around the same time as a building would during a controlled demolition.ThisIsTwoFace
wtf does this even mean
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[QUOTE="ThisIsTwoFace"]TT fell at around the same time as a building would during a controlled demolition.MannyDelgado
wtf does this even mean

Apparently controlled demoltions can only happen during a certain time of day.

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#168 _R34LiTY_
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[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

[QUOTE="jetpower3"]

And on a related note, I laugh at those who think that Saddam had the clout to change the pricing currency of oil from USD to EUR (at least in any serious threat to U.S. interests).

jetpower3

I take it then that you laugh at Time Magazine as well....

Europe's dream of promoting the euro as a competitor to the U.S. dollar may get a boost from SADDAM HUSSEIN. Iraq says that from now on, it wants payments for its oil in euros, despite the fact that the battered European currency unit, which used to be worth quite a bit more than $1, has dropped to about 82[cents]. Iraq says it will no longer accept dollars for oil because it does not want to deal "in the currency of the enemy."

The switch to euros would cost the U.N. a small fortune in accounting-paperwork changes. It would also reduce the interest earnings and reparations payments that Iraq is making for damage it caused during the Gulf War, a shortfall the Iraqis would have to make up.

The move hurts Iraq, the U.N. and the countries receiving reparations. So why is Saddam doing it? Diplomatic sources say switching to the euro will favor European suppliers over U.S. ones in competing for Iraqi contracts, and the p.r. boost that Baghdad would probably get in Europe would be another plus.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,998512,00.html#ixzz1yi63CDSDTime Magazine

Incidentally, Muammar Ghadafi suffered the same fate when he too ditched the Dollar in order to sell his oil in gold backed African Dinars, a currency Ghadafi was looking to introduce.

...

A country's wealth would depend on how much gold it had and not how many dollars it traded. And Libya has 144 tons of gold. The UK, for example, has twice as much, but ten times the population.

"If Gaddafi had an intent to try to re-price his oil or whatever else the country was selling on the global market and accept something else as a currency or maybe launch a gold dinar currency, any move such as that would certainly not be welcomed by the power elite today, who are responsible for controlling the world's central banks,"says Anthony Wile, founder and chief editor of the Daily Bell.

"So yes, that would certainly be something that would cause his immediate dismissal and the need for other reasons to be brought forward from moving him from power."

And it has happened before.

In 2000, Saddam Hussein announced Iraqi oil would be traded in euros, not dollars. Some say sanctions and an invasion followed because the Americans were desperate to prevent OPEC from transferring oil trading in all its member countries to the euro.

...

http://www.rt.com/news/economy-oil-gold-libya/RT

I'll take your laughter as part of your own lunacy.

Iraq can do what it wants. That doesn't mean that anyone else is going to play ball with them. As I said, Iraq's oil production alone is nothing special, and I certainly wouldn't risk empowering a man whose blatant military aggressions were well known (even if only politically).

And I'd cite something better than that sorry excuse for a news agency that is RT.

You're correct that Iraq's oil production back then wasn't anything spectacular, but then again neither was Libya's and it suffered the same adversed affect that struck Iraq. I highly doubt that switching the denomination of oil sales was the sole reason for the US & NATO to exemplify it's blatant military aggression on developing nations that only wanted to stand on their own feet without wearing the shackles of the US and it's handlers, but it certainly made the situations in those volatile areas that much more crucial into introducing "democracy" in a much more expedient fashion.

And what's wrong with RT ? Would you prefer that I cite news outlets that you trust only because those other outlets spin & spit out what you believe to be the more patriotic version of history?

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#169 _R34LiTY_
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[QUOTE="ThisIsTwoFace"]TT fell at around the same time as a building would during a controlled demolition.MannyDelgado
wtf does this even mean

lol Come on guy! Use your 'main unit' for once.

Or you probably know what he means but prefer to act dumb about it. In any event.....

What he means is that the amount of time that it took for the Twin Towers to come crashing all the way down took the same amount of time as a building of similiar height that was to be destroyed by controlled demolition. Something like 11- 15 seconds I believe the timing was. If the buildings were to have came down in the "pancake" method that is often described as the nature of the collapse, it would've taken much longer than the "controlled demolition" scenario because each floor that came crashing down would've met resistence from the floor beneath it instead of falling at free fall speed.

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[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"][QUOTE="ThisIsTwoFace"]TT fell at around the same time as a building would during a controlled demolition._R34LiTY_

wtf does this even mean

lol Come on guy! Use your 'main unit' for once.

Or you probably know what he means but prefer to act dumb about it. In any event.....

What he means is that the amount of time that it took for the Twin Towers to come crashing all the way down took the same amount of time as a building of similiar height that was to be destroyed by controlled demolition. Something like 11- 15 seconds I believe the timing was. If the buildings were to have came down in the "pancake" method that is often described as the nature of the collapse, it would've taken much longer than the "controlled demolition" scenario because each floor that came crashing down would've met resistence from the floor beneath it instead of falling at free fall speed.

Take several slabs roughtly equal to your weight, let them fall down directly on top of you, and see how much resistance you put up.

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#171 _R34LiTY_
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[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]wtf does this even meanworlock77

lol Come on guy! Use your 'main unit' for once.

Or you probably know what he means but prefer to act dumb about it. In any event.....

What he means is that the amount of time that it took for the Twin Towers to come crashing all the way down took the same amount of time as a building of similiar height that was to be destroyed by controlled demolition. Something like 11- 15 seconds I believe the timing was. If the buildings were to have came down in the "pancake" method that is often described as the nature of the collapse, it would've taken much longer than the "controlled demolition" scenario because each floor that came crashing down would've met resistence from the floor beneath it instead of falling at free fall speed.

Take several slabs roughtly equal to your weight, let them fall down directly on top of you, and see how much resistance you put up.

lol Look at what your saying....

Of course I wouldn't put up much resistance, I'm made out of flesh, not concrete slabs, steel beams & trusses like the Twin Towers and WTC 7 were.

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I think me and you should meet outside your local Denny's and discuss this and your reason for even asking this question if you consider yourself an American.
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#173 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

lol Come on guy! Use your 'main unit' for once.

Or you probably know what he means but prefer to act dumb about it. In any event.....

What he means is that the amount of time that it took for the Twin Towers to come crashing all the way down took the same amount of time as a building of similiar height that was to be destroyed by controlled demolition. Something like 11- 15 seconds I believe the timing was. If the buildings were to have came down in the "pancake" method that is often described as the nature of the collapse, it would've taken much longer than the "controlled demolition" scenario because each floor that came crashing down would've met resistence from the floor beneath it instead of falling at free fall speed.

_R34LiTY_

Take several slabs roughtly equal to your weight, let them fall down directly on top of you, and see how much resistance you put up.

lol Look at what your saying....

Of course I wouldn't put up much resistance, I'm made out of flesh, not concrete slabs, steel beams & trusses like the Twin Towers and WTC 7 were.

Doesn't matter. Anything will be destroyed if hit with enough force, and when you got the weight of each floor coming down, adding even more weigh as each successive floor collapses, there's not going to be any resistance.

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#174 _R34LiTY_
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[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Take several slabs roughtly equal to your weight, let them fall down directly on top of you, and see how much resistance you put up.

worlock77

lol Look at what your saying....

Of course I wouldn't put up much resistance, I'm made out of flesh, not concrete slabs, steel beams & trusses like the Twin Towers and WTC 7 were.

Doesn't matter. Anything will be destroyed if hit with enough force, and when you got the weight of each floor coming down, adding even more weigh as each successive floor collapses, there's not going to be any resistance.

How does more weight get added on to the floor beneath it if the floor underneath the floor ontop is not providing any resistance to accumulate weight on top of it?

The resistance would've came from each set of support trusses/beams that hold each floor in it's place. The pancake theory would've been a slow gradual collapse as each floors set of support structures would've put up resistance until the weight of, say 3-7 floors began to accumulate on top of the supports exceeding their weight limit before falling at a faster rate.

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#175 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

lol Look at what your saying....

Of course I wouldn't put up much resistance, I'm made out of flesh, not concrete slabs, steel beams & trusses like the Twin Towers and WTC 7 were.

_R34LiTY_

Doesn't matter. Anything will be destroyed if hit with enough force, and when you got the weight of each floor coming down, adding even more weigh as each successive floor collapses, there's not going to be any resistance.

How does more weight get added on to the floor beneath it if the floor underneath the floor ontop is not providing any resistance to accumulate weight on top of it?

The resistance would've came from each set of support trusses/beams that hold each floor in it's place. The pancake theory would've been a slow gradual collapse as each floors set of support structures would've put up resistance until the weight of, say 3-7 floors began to accumulate on top of the supports exceeding their weight limit before falling at a faster rate.

The Twin Towers were each 110 floors. The North Tower was hit between the 93rd and 99th floors. The South Tower was hit between 77th and 85th floors. Each had well over your 3-7 floors coming down on the rest when the collapse initially began.

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#176 Sedin44
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[QUOTE="Sedin44"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

I always love seeing the "never forget" crap from people who never gave a sh*t about New York City before 9/11, and haven't gave a sh*t about it since about a week after 9/11.

worlock77

Way to call me out in front of all of gamespot. Hate those yankees too. They couldn't have hijacked one more lousy plane and hit a stadium?

Ineffective plan. Considering how early in the day it was the stadium would have been empty then. Perhaps some grounds crew or club staff there, but no Yankee players (even assuming that the Yankees weren't on the road then).

Yes valid point. Hmm planning one of these things isn't easy huh!?
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#177 WhiteKnight77
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[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Doesn't matter. Anything will be destroyed if hit with enough force, and when you got the weight of each floor coming down, adding even more weigh as each successive floor collapses, there's not going to be any resistance.

worlock77

How does more weight get added on to the floor beneath it if the floor underneath the floor ontop is not providing any resistance to accumulate weight on top of it?

The resistance would've came from each set of support trusses/beams that hold each floor in it's place. The pancake theory would've been a slow gradual collapse as each floors set of support structures would've put up resistance until the weight of, say 3-7 floors began to accumulate on top of the supports exceeding their weight limit before falling at a faster rate.

The Twin Towers were each 110 floors. The North Tower was hit between the 93rd and 99th floors. The South Tower was hit between 77th and 85th floors. Each had well over your 3-7 floors coming down on the rest when the collapse initially began.

Exactly. The needed weight to overcome any resistance was there from the beginning and was there until the tops of both towers hit the ground or rather the pile of rubble they created as they fell.

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[QUOTE="jetpower3"]

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

I take it then that you laugh at Time Magazine as well....

[quote="Time Magazine"]Europe's dream of promoting the euro as a competitor to the U.S. dollar may get a boost from SADDAM HUSSEIN. Iraq says that from now on, it wants payments for its oil in euros, despite the fact that the battered European currency unit, which used to be worth quite a bit more than $1, has dropped to about 82[cents]. Iraq says it will no longer accept dollars for oil because it does not want to deal "in the currency of the enemy."

The switch to euros would cost the U.N. a small fortune in accounting-paperwork changes. It would also reduce the interest earnings and reparations payments that Iraq is making for damage it caused during the Gulf War, a shortfall the Iraqis would have to make up.

The move hurts Iraq, the U.N. and the countries receiving reparations. So why is Saddam doing it? Diplomatic sources say switching to the euro will favor European suppliers over U.S. ones in competing for Iraqi contracts, and the p.r. boost that Baghdad would probably get in Europe would be another plus.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,998512,00.html#ixzz1yi63CDSD_R34LiTY_

Incidentally, Muammar Ghadafi suffered the same fate when he too ditched the Dollar in order to sell his oil in gold backed African Dinars, a currency Ghadafi was looking to introduce.

...

A country's wealth would depend on how much gold it had and not how many dollars it traded. And Libya has 144 tons of gold. The UK, for example, has twice as much, but ten times the population.

"If Gaddafi had an intent to try to re-price his oil or whatever else the country was selling on the global market and accept something else as a currency or maybe launch a gold dinar currency, any move such as that would certainly not be welcomed by the power elite today, who are responsible for controlling the world's central banks,"says Anthony Wile, founder and chief editor of the Daily Bell.

"So yes, that would certainly be something that would cause his immediate dismissal and the need for other reasons to be brought forward from moving him from power."

And it has happened before.

In 2000, Saddam Hussein announced Iraqi oil would be traded in euros, not dollars. Some say sanctions and an invasion followed because the Americans were desperate to prevent OPEC from transferring oil trading in all its member countries to the euro.

...

http://www.rt.com/news/economy-oil-gold-libya/RT

I'll take your laughter as part of your own lunacy.

Iraq can do what it wants. That doesn't mean that anyone else is going to play ball with them. As I said, Iraq's oil production alone is nothing special, and I certainly wouldn't risk empowering a man whose blatant military aggressions were well known (even if only politically).

And I'd cite something better than that sorry excuse for a news agency that is RT.

You're correct that Iraq's oil production back then wasn't anything spectacular, but then again neither was Libya's and it suffered the same adversed affect that struck Iraq. I highly doubt that switching the denomination of oil sales was the sole reason for the US & NATO to exemplify it's blatant military aggression on developing nations that only wanted to stand on their own feet without wearing the shackles of the US and it's handlers, but it certainly made the situations in those volatile areas that much more crucial into introducing "democracy" in a much more expedient fashion.

And what's wrong with RT ? Would you prefer that I cite news outlets that you trust only because those other outlets spin & spit out what you believe to be the more patriotic version of history?

Please spare me your "adversed affect" about Libya. If Gaddafi was really that good and benevolent (if only economically), then he would have never been overthrown through an air war alone. I've seen plenty of examples of air support that led to nothing because the ground forces were unmotivated, incapable, or unsupported by sufficient portions of the population. Given how quickly Tripoli was blitzed (much of the city was taken unopposed or with little resistance), and how much fighting equipment was left unused by the defending regime, I'd say that there is little evidence that the air war alone led to his overthrow. Therefore, there were obviously plenty of economic and political problems to go around and that were left unresolved (and there usually are in oil rich nations), leading to an eventual revolt.

Further, regardless of what I think about RT, can you find something unrelated that even mentions Gaddafi's proposal for a gold dinar? Before or since? This idea is usually attributed to Malaysia's former prime minister,Dr. Mahathir bin Mohamad in a somewhat different form. Yet, he seems to be doing alright and not under any active threat.

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[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

[QUOTE="jetpower3"]

Iraq can do what it wants. That doesn't mean that anyone else is going to play ball with them. As I said, Iraq's oil production alone is nothing special, and I certainly wouldn't risk empowering a man whose blatant military aggressions were well known (even if only politically).

And I'd cite something better than that sorry excuse for a news agency that is RT.

jetpower3

You're correct that Iraq's oil production back then wasn't anything spectacular, but then again neither was Libya's and it suffered the same adversed affect that struck Iraq. I highly doubt that switching the denomination of oil sales was the sole reason for the US & NATO to exemplify it's blatant military aggression on developing nations that only wanted to stand on their own feet without wearing the shackles of the US and it's handlers, but it certainly made the situations in those volatile areas that much more crucial into introducing "democracy" in a much more expedient fashion.

And what's wrong with RT ? Would you prefer that I cite news outlets that you trust only because those other outlets spin & spit out what you believe to be the more patriotic version of history?

Please spare me your "adversed affect" about Libya. If Gaddafi was really that good and benevolent (if only economically), then he would have never been overthrown through an air war alone. I've seen plenty of examples of air support that led to nothing because the ground forces were unmotivated, incapable, or unsupported by sufficient portions of the population. Given how quickly Tripoli was blitzed (much of the city was taken unopposed or with little resistance), and how much fighting equipment was left unused by the defending regime, I'd say that there is little evidence that the air war alone led to his overthrow. Therefore, there were obviously plenty of economic and political problems to go around and that were left unresolved (and there usually are in oil rich nations), leading to an eventual revolt.

Further, regardless of what I think about RT, can you find something unrelated that even mentions Gaddafi's proposal for a gold dinar? Before or since? This idea is usually attributed to Malaysia's former prime minister,Dr. Mahathir bin Mohamad in a somewhat different form. Yet, he seems to be doing alright and not under any active threat.

From my observations, what Libya and Gaddafi suffered was a result of Gaddafi going against the "status quo", so to speak. Gaddafi refused to borrow money from the international banking cartels and instead nationalized Libya's own central bank as well as their oil company 'Libya's National Oil Coorporation', benefitting his people while being free from the clutches of Rothschild & friends with their sky high interest rates for unnecessary loans. Gaddafi's idea to introduce a Gold Dinar in Africa was a means for the people to leave the clutches of the sunken ship that is the Dollar and to share true wealth, not just with his Libyan people, but with all of Africa as well since he was planning on creating a United States of Africa since the African Union had been more or less considered a failure. Incidentally, as the "Rebels" were fighting Gaddafi, somehow they managed to put together at the same time a new oil company under US/UN control and a new central bank subservient to the very entities Gaddafi had sought to rid himself of.

Libyan Rebel Council Forms Oil Company to Replace Qaddafi's

Libyan Rebels Form Their Own Central Bank

I'll assume that you're pretty certain that there was no outside influence as to the funding these so called rebels were able to attain which obviously allowed them to accomplish so much in almost record breaking time...

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what a dumb question.

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#181 Diablo-B
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I dont think our government is smart or competent enough execute 9/11
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#182 Chris_Williams
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honestly who knows, i'm not saying it was because its crazy to assume we had anything to do with it BUT if their was this off chance that we knew the attacks were going to happen or the government helped them, I wouldn't be suprised.

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[QUOTE="BMD004"]

Here is a video about Popular Mechanics debunking the conspiracy theories. There are conspiracy theorists also on this pannel debating with Popular Mechanics. It isn't the video I'm talking about, but it is A video talking about the same things. I haven't watched this particular video, but I'm assuming it gives similar information:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoAlQ--za30

Wasdie

Hogwash! Obviously all fabricated by the US Government, CIA, and the mass media to keep us all in the dark!

You must be one of those headline readers! Well you shouldn't believe them. They only tell the story how the NWO wants you to hear the story.

Ron Paul 2012! You're all a bunch of sheep.

Agreed

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#184 MirkoS77
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I don't buy the official story, but do not believe it was some huge government set-up.

The thing that cracks me up is, truthers believe that the U.S. government is capable of pulling off a feat such as 9/11 and keeping the wool over everyone's eyes for all these years, yet the very basis of their argument against it not being a conspiracy stems from incompetent preparation or oversights from that same government.

Gotta love conspiracy nuts...

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If the attacks were staged to supposedly forward US interests, why not have the hijackers from Iraq? or Afghanistan? Why from our number 2 ally in the region, and number one among the Arab states?

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If the attacks were staged to supposedly forward US interests, why not have the hijackers from Iraq? or Afghanistan? Why from our number 2 ally in the region, and number one among the Arab states?

BossPerson

because conspiracy theorists aren't always the brightest crayon in the box maybe :P

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#187 deactivated-58061ea11c905
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No they were not. It was innocent people who were murdered there and anyone who will defend those murders are probably the Arabs.

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#188 wis3boi
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No they were not. It was innocent people who were murdered there and anyone who will defend those murders are probably the Arabs.

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Not sure you understood the question the topic asked :P

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It was legit in the way that is was Al Queda who planned and executed the attach. However, if anyone here actually believes that the brass of the White House had no clue that is was going to go down, I have some swamp land for them to buy.

Bin Laden brought a CNN camera crew into his "uber secret HQ" a few weeks before the attack took place and told the reporter what was going to go down... and the CIA could not find him? ORLY? It is because they weren't bothering to look.

They knew the attacks would come... but did nothing to prevent them. Why? Because those attacks represented an open invitation to barge into Iraq and try to control the oil market.

All three reasons Bush insisted why they went to Iraq ended up all being BS... do you all truly believe this is a coincidence? I mean how can you be THAT wrong with the largest, most funded (in the billions) organization known as the CIA at your fingertips?

Bush has been documented that as soon as 9/11 hit he said he wanted an Iraq name linked to the attack, when his people told him it was clearly Al Queda he dismissed it and insisted they find a tie to Iraq.

This is all but one example of a long list of times the U.S government have lied to the American public to get them onboard to send their children to die for their war... look at Vietnam.

I am not even sure why people are so proud to be American anymore... the government might as well be run by Hitler with the way things have gone down for the past few decades. Yes, comparing Hitler to the U.S government is harsh... but compare the tactics... at least open your eyes a bit and start to thing about this stuff.

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It was legit in the way that is was Al Queda who planned and executed the attach. However, if anyone here actually believes that the brass of the White House had no clue that is was going to go down, I have some swamp land for them to buy.

Bin Laden brought a CNN camera crew into his "uber secret HQ" a few weeks before the attack took place and told the reporter what was going to go down... and the CIA could not find him? ORLY? It is because they weren't bothering to look.

They knew the attacks would come... but did nothing to prevent them. Why? Because those attacks represented an open invitation to barge into Iraq and try to control the oil market.

All three reasons Bush insisted why they went to Iraq ended up all being BS... do you all truly believe this is a coincidence? I mean how can you be THAT wrong with the largest, most funded (in the billions) organization known as the CIA at your fingertips?

Bush has been documented that as soon as 9/11 hit he said he wanted an Iraq name linked to the attack, when his people told him it was clearly Al Queda he dismissed it and insisted they find a tie to Iraq.

This is all but one example of a long list of times the U.S government have lied to the American public to get them onboard to send their children to die for their war... look at Vietnam.

I am not even sure why people are so proud to be American anymore... the government might as well be run by Hitler with the way things have gone down for the past few decades. Yes, comparing Hitler to the U.S government is harsh... but compare the tactics... at least open your eyes a bit and start to thing about this stuff.

ShampooMctavish

Which CNN reporter was it that interviewed Bin Laden? In 1998 ABC journalist John Miller interviewed Bin Laden in which he told of attacks on the US and would happen soon. Not long afterwards, the Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya were bombed by Al Qaeda.

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[QUOTE="jetpower3"]

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

You're correct that Iraq's oil production back then wasn't anything spectacular, but then again neither was Libya's and it suffered the same adversed affect that struck Iraq. I highly doubt that switching the denomination of oil sales was the sole reason for the US & NATO to exemplify it's blatant military aggression on developing nations that only wanted to stand on their own feet without wearing the shackles of the US and it's handlers, but it certainly made the situations in those volatile areas that much more crucial into introducing "democracy" in a much more expedient fashion.

And what's wrong with RT ? Would you prefer that I cite news outlets that you trust only because those other outlets spin & spit out what you believe to be the more patriotic version of history?

_R34LiTY_

Please spare me your "adversed affect" about Libya. If Gaddafi was really that good and benevolent (if only economically), then he would have never been overthrown through an air war alone. I've seen plenty of examples of air support that led to nothing because the ground forces were unmotivated, incapable, or unsupported by sufficient portions of the population. Given how quickly Tripoli was blitzed (much of the city was taken unopposed or with little resistance), and how much fighting equipment was left unused by the defending regime, I'd say that there is little evidence that the air war alone led to his overthrow. Therefore, there were obviously plenty of economic and political problems to go around and that were left unresolved (and there usually are in oil rich nations), leading to an eventual revolt.

Further, regardless of what I think about RT, can you find something unrelated that even mentions Gaddafi's proposal for a gold dinar? Before or since? This idea is usually attributed to Malaysia's former prime minister,Dr. Mahathir bin Mohamad in a somewhat different form. Yet, he seems to be doing alright and not under any active threat.

From my observations, what Libya and Gaddafi suffered was a result of Gaddafi going against the "status quo", so to speak. Gaddafi refused to borrow money from the international banking cartels and instead nationalized Libya's own central bank as well as their oil company 'Libya's National Oil Coorporation', benefitting his people while being free from the clutches of Rothschild & friends with their sky high interest rates for unnecessary loans. Gaddafi's idea to introduce a Gold Dinar in Africa was a means for the people to leave the clutches of the sunken ship that is the Dollar and to share true wealth, not just with his Libyan people, but with all of Africa as well since he was planning on creating a United States of Africa since the African Union had been more or less considered a failure. Incidentally, as the "Rebels" were fighting Gaddafi, somehow they managed to put together at the same time a new oil company under US/UN control and a new central bank subservient to the very entities Gaddafi had sought to rid himself of.

Libyan Rebel Council Forms Oil Company to Replace Qaddafi's

Libyan Rebels Form Their Own Central Bank

I'll assume that you're pretty certain that there was no outside influence as to the funding these so called rebels were able to attain which obviously allowed them to accomplish so much in almost record breaking time...

I love how you engage in complete nonsense hyperbole and simply ignore my assertions. First, the NOC and Libyan Central Bank still very much exist. Second, the only reason these organizations were formed was because Tripoli was still held by Gaddafi. Until the rebels were able to take it, they needed institutions that could perform basic government functions (whether or not they were effective is another story). And their oil company for most intents and purposes was actually the Benghazi based Agoco, which did little in way of any production until September. Third, it is very clear that, outside of his heartland (mainly his hometown Sirte, Bani Walid, and smaller associated towns), Gaddafi was neither popular nor interested in sharing his wealth in any meaningful sense. I understand that Libya was at one time the most developed country in Africa, with also the highest GDP per capita. But this is often the case with countries who make easy money from oil and other natural resources. It doesn't mean that Gaddafi was any economic wizard or "liberator". He certainly had no gripes about his family's often insanely excessive lifestyles. And even despite its oil wealth, unemployment continued to run high (15%+) and many parts of the country remain significantly underdeveloped (particularly the eastern regions, where most of the oil lies geographically).

Finally, these organizations you mention had little if any influence on the final outcome of the war. If you were paying attention to the conflict, you would have found that the groups most responsible for toppling Gaddafi and driving him from Tripoli came from the Tripolitania enclaves of Misarata and the Nafusa Mountains, which had only superficial connections to the rebel NTC to begin with and with little initial NATO air backup. This makes your assertions even more insane. How do two regions of no more than 600k people overpower a region of easily more than 2 million if the majority of those 2 million support the defending regime and in 3 weeks after breaking out? And why do they put up no meaningful or organized resistance afterward?

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Don't fret precious I'm here Step away from the window Go back to sleep Lay your head down child I won't let the boogeyman come Counting bodies like sheep To the rhythm of the war drums Pay no mind to the rabble Pay no mind to the rabble Head down, go to sleep To the rhythm of the war drums Pay no mind what other voices say They don't care about you Like I do Like I do Safe from pain and truth and choice and other poison devils See they don't give a **** about you Like I do Just stay with me Safe and ignorant Go back to sleep Go back to sleep Lay your head down child I won't let the boogeyman come Count the bodies like sheep To the rhythm of the war drums Pay no mind to the rabble Pay no mind to the rabble Head down, go to sleep To the rhythm of the war drums I'll be the one to protect you from Your enemies and all your demons I'll be the one to protect you from A will to survive and a voice of reason I'll be the one to protect you from Your enemies and your choices son One and the same I must isolate you Isolate and save you from yourself Swaying to the rhythm of the new world order and Count the bodies like sheep To the rhythm of the war drum The boogeymen are coming The boogeymen are coming Keep your head down, go to sleep To the rhythm of a war drum Stay with me Safe and ignorant Just stay with me Hold you and protect you from the other ones The evil ones Don't love you son Go back to sleep -A Perfect Circle --Pet
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#193 kuraimen
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If the attacks were staged to supposedly forward US interests, why not have the hijackers from Iraq? or Afghanistan? Why from our number 2 ally in the region, and number one among the Arab states?

BossPerson
What if they weren't staged? what if they just let them happen?
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#194 GrayF0X786
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[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

If the attacks were staged to supposedly forward US interests, why not have the hijackers from Iraq? or Afghanistan? Why from our number 2 ally in the region, and number one among the Arab states?

kuraimen

What if they weren't staged? what if they just let them happen?

where was the US Air force during that day? lol ;)

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#195 Michael0134567
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"Legit"?

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]

If the attacks were staged to supposedly forward US interests, why not have the hijackers from Iraq? or Afghanistan? Why from our number 2 ally in the region, and number one among the Arab states?

GrayF0X786

What if they weren't staged? what if they just let them happen?

where was the US Air force during that day? lol ;)

The closest fighter base is 130 miles from Washington DC. Driving takes about 4 hours the shortest way to get there (towns and traffic lights and all). Even flying at twice the speed of sound, it would take 15 minutes to get to DC, not to mention trying to find a needle in a haystack as the American Airlines plane had had it's transponder turned off so as to make it practically invisible to radar.

Even if the pilots had found the plane, would you want them to shoot down the plane over a populated area such as Arlington?

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#197 hartsickdiscipl
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Yes, the attacks happened. No, they weren't carried out by a bunch of random Islamic terrorists without the consent of the US Government and Bilderberg leadership. The buildings were obviously rigged to blow before the attacks happened. 9/11 served 3 purposes that I'm aware of-

-Scare American citizens into allowing the government to run over the top of them with unconstitutional laws, which opens us up for a New World Order takeover. This part of the plan has been almost entirely successful so far.

-Give the US another excuse to invade the Middle East and take control of oil and other resources

-Gets rid of the financial liability that was the old World Trade Center. Larry Silverstein even ordered the demolition of building 7

http://www.prisonplanet.com/bombshell-silverstein-wanted-to-demolish-building-7-on-911.html

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Yes, the attacks happened. No, they weren't carried out by a bunch of random Islamic terrorists without the consent of the US Government and Bilderberg leadership. The buildings were obviously rigged to blow before the attacks happened. 9/11 served 3 purposes that I'm aware of-

-Scare American citizens into allowing the government to run over the top of them with unconstitutional laws, which opens us up for a New World Order takeover. This part of the plan has been almost entirely successful so far.

-Give the US another excuse to invade the Middle East and take control of oil and other resources

-Gets rid of the financial liability that was the old World Trade Center. Larry Silverstein even ordered the demolition of building 7

http://www.prisonplanet.com/bombshell-silverstein-wanted-to-demolish-building-7-on-911.html

hartsickdiscipl

pffffffthahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

*catches breath*

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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#199 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Yes, the attacks happened. No, they weren't carried out by a bunch of random Islamic terrorists without the consent of the US Government and Bilderberg leadership. The buildings were obviously rigged to blow before the attacks happened. 9/11 served 3 purposes that I'm aware of-

-Scare American citizens into allowing the government to run over the top of them with unconstitutional laws, which opens us up for a New World Order takeover. This part of the plan has been almost entirely successful so far.

-Give the US another excuse to invade the Middle East and take control of oil and other resources

-Gets rid of the financial liability that was the old World Trade Center. Larry Silverstein even ordered the demolition of building 7

http://www.prisonplanet.com/bombshell-silverstein-wanted-to-demolish-building-7-on-911.html

wis3boi

pffffffthahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

*catches breath*

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't find it very funny that thousands of Americans were murdered for the advancement of a globalist agenda. Watch what happens over the next few years and tell me it's funny.

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[QUOTE="BMD004"]

What question did he ask?

noscope-ak47

How did building 7 fall??

How did molten metal get under the rubble of the towers ??

Where is the wreakage from the plane that hit the pentagon??

How did the buildings fall so fast ??

How did a rookie flyer pull off a insane flight path and hit the only section that was upgraded for a terrorist attack??

You forgot one. Why did the X-files predict the attacks?