Do you think the Government had anything to do with the JFK assassination?

 

Two planes is still not enough to take it down in a matter of seconds.Vilot_Hero

You mean you are very good at chemistry and to take it down in a matter of minutes...but whatever you're still wrong...the only reason the government would ever want the towers to go down is because of some documents in their...but jeez, the government has done worse than what were in those documents, also if everyone knew that 9/11 was staged by the government then wouldn't we have tried to get rid of these officials...or what are you gonna say that they are working with aliens and they abduct those who have undeniable proof that they did it, do they give those who fully support that two towers were knocked down by 2 airplanes full of gasoline going double(I believe) the speed most commercial planes go..also the towers had flawed plans, I believe that the structure was weak..

Of course I believe the government killed JFK. This is the same government that faked the moon landing, blew up the WTC, and started both WWI and WWII. The government is behind EVERYTHING, just try and prove me wrong with logic and facts, I dare you...Oh yeah, and Elvis and Tupac are serving martini's in Vegas...

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]What????Look at 9/11...The Twin Towers don't crumble because of one plane. The building collasped way too easily, and just fell down in a matter of seconds.Vilot_Hero

Sure they do. The steel skeleton of the building was superheated by the explosion of the plane and the fuel and failed. Then you start a pancake effect with the floors...

If you knew anything about structural engineering you would understand how its very possible.

I don't have a science degree, but I do know that while the jet fuel was not hot enough to initially melt the steel, the fire afterwards was. The materials in the building (paper, desks, wallpaper etc.) all caught fire on several floors. This caused a fire that was hot enough to weaken the steel frame on several floors of the world trade center, causing them to collapse, in turn creating the 'pancake effect.'

I found my source here.

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"][QUOTE="duxup"]I haven't seen any reason to think so.FalcoLX

Why do people even think the goverrnment would kill JFK? Mythbusters did a firing test and proved that Oswald could have made the 7 wounds with one shot.

Penn and Teller also did a test for that on their show Bull$%^&!
They fired off three rounds in 3.4 seconds or something along the lines of that number.

Why would the government want to assassinate their own boss? It doesn't make any sense. As far as I can tell, you're attributing JFK's assassination to the government just because they're the government and the government is evil and commits conspiracies for kicks.

Even if there is some huge organization controlling everything in the world, they wouldn't do something if they didn't have a motive.

Impossible. The structure is well built and fortified. The original topic is about JFK and the feds, so Let's stick with that.Vilot_Hero

You're the one who brought up 9/11. 

Why would the government want to assassinate their own boss? It doesn't make any sense. As far as I can tell, you're attributing JFK's assassination to the government just because they're the government and the government is evil and commits conspiracies for kicks.

Even if there is some huge organization controlling everything in the world, they wouldn't do something if they didn't have a motive.

GabuEx

Well one motive would have been.... JFK wanted to outlaw the FED and the CIA...

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"][QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

Sure they do. The steel skeleton of the building was superheated by the explosion of the plane and the fuel and failed. Then you start a pancake effect with the floors...

If you knew anything about structural engineering you would understand how its very possible.

four_of_clubs

I don't have a science degree, but I do know that while the jet fuel was not hot enough to initially melt the steel, the fire afterwards was. The materials in the building (paper, desks, wallpaper etc.) all caught fire on several floors. This caused a fire that was hot enough to weaken the steel frame on several floors of the world trade center, causing them to collapse, in turn creating the 'pancake effect.'

I found my source here.

Actually, he's absolutely correct. There was never enough heat to melt the steel. That's a fact.

But before conspiracy theoriests begin to celebrate, the caveat is that the steel never needed to melt. To declare that there wasn't enough heat to melt the steel is lying by omission. Steel doesn't just immediately transition between solid and molten with nothing in between. There wasn't enough heat to melt steel, but there absolutely was enough heat to reduce the steel's strength to about 10% of what it is at room temperature, more than enough to buckle and give way.

why would the goverment kill its on people that makes no sense. that said no way in hell do i see the goverment had anything to do with it.

we had a insane guy who was not safe in the army or other contturies army period the guy who shot jfk was sicko and needed help. He wanted to prove someting to the world.

We've been over this before. It was me. It was my bad. I was shooting at (what I thought was) a squirrel and missed. Turned out the creature that I was hunting was actually Jackie O's hat.Oleg_Huzwog

I was there Huzwog. I saw you going for his hat so right after you fired your shot I fired mine and deflected your bullet midflight. You couldn't have done it!

why would the goverment kill its on people that makes no sense. that said no way in hell do i see the goverment had anything to do with it.

we had a insane guy who was not safe in the army or other contturies army period the guy who shot jfk was sicko and needed help. He wanted to prove someting to the world.

fbigent34

Why? Again Jfk wanted to outlaw the CIA and FED..... plus JFK had a massive head wound in the BACK of his head... which is called an exit wound... which would have to come fromthe front not the back

Why? Again Jfk wanted to outlaw the CIA and FED

bsman00

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why would the goverment kill its on people that makes no sense. that said no way in hell do i see the goverment had anything to do with it.

we had a insane guy who was not safe in the army or other contturies army period the guy who shot jfk was sicko and needed help. He wanted to prove someting to the world.

fbigent34

There is the idea that Oswald was an agent who believed he was being used to assassinate Castro, but was actually being set up to be the accused Kennedy assassin.

How can you trust the Government????JFK and 9/11 are perfect examples of corrupt agencies.Vilot_Hero

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why would the goverment kill its on people that makes no sense. that said no way in hell do i see the goverment had anything to do with it.

we had a insane guy who was not safe in the army or other contturies army period the guy who shot jfk was sicko and needed help. He wanted to prove someting to the world.

Ragnarok1051

There is the idea that Oswald was an agent who believed he was being used to assassinate Castro, but was actually being set up to be the accused Kennedy assassin.

I just dont see it. alot of people believe the hollywood movie stoy more than the orginal story. Also maybe 3 moths after watching jfk they police had a new tool. To sense if your lying. which they tested on him.. guess what he knew something. (about jfk death)

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]How can you trust the Government????JFK and 9/11 are perfect examples of corrupt agencies.LJS9502_basic

Why would the government want to assassinate their own boss? It doesn't make any sense. As far as I can tell, you're attributing JFK's assassination to the government just because they're the government and the government is evil and commits conspiracies for kicks.

Even if there is some huge organization controlling everything in the world, they wouldn't do something if they didn't have a motive.

GabuEx

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]How can you trust the Government????JFK and 9/11 are perfect examples of corrupt agencies.Vilot_Hero

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[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]Read this brief explanation and then shush. Cloud_Insurance

all that is the same nonsense that gets repeated over and over by the media. nothing concrete there

What are you serious? Thats physics, chemistry, engineering. Its proof.

Why would the US Govt have had anything to do with 9/11? Compare the current economic state of the country (9/11 having a huge impact on what it is today), to the economy pre 9/11. That should eliminate all your paranoia.  

Why would they?  Well, because 9/11 was the event the PNAC group needed to start a campaign against terrorism while pushing their agenda forward necause of 'terrorism'.  Because of 9/11, everything that has played out as a result(Patriot Act - 7/7 London Bombings - Iraq/Afghan War etc) benefits only those in the highest seats of power that are the only ones to gain anything from the sad events of today. It wasn't a magic like lots of people sarcastically say, but it is a phantom menace, this, 'terrorism'.

Reposting only because this got lost in the 9/11 drivel of the first page as this thread got a bit sidetracked

It is suspected by some that he was assassinated for signing in Executive Order 11110, which gave America the ability to once again, create its own money backed by silver, a commodity that is actually worth something.  Now supposedly with this Order in place, the Federal Reserve would've been out of business had it not been for the unfortunate event that occurred thereafter. 

Then many think it was his involvement in Vietnam in, not wanting to be involved and was  probably gunned down for a mixture of the two reasons.  The story with Lee Harvey Oswald however is complete bullcrap and he was just a pawn as much as Jack Ruby was in his 'patriotic rage' as he gunned down Oswald.

 

Sam_Phisher

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]We've been over this before. It was me. It was my bad. I was shooting at (what I thought was) a squirrel and missed. Turned out the creature that I was hunting was actually Jackie O's hat.Superbored

I was there Huzwog. I saw you going for his hat so right after you fired your shot I fired mine and deflected your bullet midflight. You couldn't have done it!

His hat? The former First Lady was a dude?!?!? :o My god... of course! JFK found out his wife was a man and planned to reveal "her" true nature to the public. The CIA decided such an embarrassment would be a threat to national security and acted accordingly. The assassination was all part of a government conspiracy to protect the First Lady's identity! How could we have been so blind? The answer was staring right at us this entire time!

I think there were multiple shooters. But whether the government was behind it, I don't know. Chances are, they weren't. But he obviously annoyed someone.Bourbons3

I Dont think the GoV had anything to do with 911, but i do think they knew it was coming and did nothing about it.

Right before the planes hit a surge of Short put option's for stocks on the airlines companies went through, meaning someone in the U.S knew about the attacks before they happened.

Know one in the world can be like "hhmm im going to short America Airlines Stock because i think something is going to happen to them today and their stock is going to fall" 5 minutes later *breaking news a plane just crashed into the WTC*.............. wow what a lucky guess.

With all the Technology the U.S has, i think it could have been prevented or less casualties as in they should have not let anyone in the building that day, but to say that they planned the whole thing........... mmmm i dont know about that.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Why would the government want to assassinate their own boss? It doesn't make any sense. As far as I can tell, you're attributing JFK's assassination to the government just because they're the government and the government is evil and commits conspiracies for kicks.

Even if there is some huge organization controlling everything in the world, they wouldn't do something if they didn't have a motive.

Vilot_Hero

Thanks for actually responding to my post, once again. :P

How can you trust the Government????JFK and 9/11 are perfect examples of corrupt agencies.Vilot_Hero

No... your just an idiot who has nothing better to do

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I require evidence.....please present it.LJS9502_basic

They sure help justify the truth. Everyone knows the Government had some part in it, but there could also of been other organizations......I'm still convinced that the Government killed JFK and started 9/11. I don't see you presenting facts that would prove otherwise. You worked for the Government/Machine before.Vilot_Hero

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"] They sure help justify the truth. Everyone knows the Government had some part in it, but there could also of been other organizations......I'm still convinced that the Government killed JFK and started 9/11. I don't see you presenting facts that would prove otherwise. You worked for the Government/Machine before.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"] They sure help justify the truth. Everyone knows the Government had some part in it, but there could also of been other organizations......I'm still convinced that the Government killed JFK and started 9/11. I don't see you presenting facts that would prove otherwise. You worked for the Government/Machine before.Vilot_Hero

Point 2: Once again you don't know why the SS wasn't near him. Even then, I don't think it would have done any good.

Point 3: You don't know who the government hires. Tbh, this all speculation on your part.

That little route change thing???That's a very small counter peice of evidence......JFK still went on a different route than the one that was planned before. You still can't explain the bullets hitting JFK, and how the Secret Service wasn't anywhere near him when the assassination began. Why did Lee Harvey wait for the 2nd bullet before he drove away? Wouldn't the Government hire someone with good reflexes for the President? Alot of things don't add up, but you keep ignoring my other points.Vilot_Hero

And 911 definitely wasn't a government action.

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"] That little route change thing???That's a very small counter peice of evidence......JFK still went on a different route than the one that was planned before. You still can't explain the bullets hitting JFK, and how the Secret Service wasn't anywhere near him when the assassination began. Why did Lee Harvey wait for the 2nd bullet before he drove away? Wouldn't the Government hire someone with good reflexes for the President? Alot of things don't add up, but you keep ignoring my other points.LJS9502_basic

And 911 definitely wasn't a government action.

9/11 was a Government act.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"] That little route change thing???That's a very small counter peice of evidence......JFK still went on a different route than the one that was planned before. You still can't explain the bullets hitting JFK, and how the Secret Service wasn't anywhere near him when the assassination began. Why did Lee Harvey wait for the 2nd bullet before he drove away? Wouldn't the Government hire someone with good reflexes for the President? Alot of things don't add up, but you keep ignoring my other points.Vilot_Hero

And 911 definitely wasn't a government action.

9/11 was a Government act.

Ruby was murdered? This is news to me.

BTW I've come to the conclusion that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Lee was in a car? What are you talking about? Do you even know the events of the Kennedy assassination?Cloud_Insurance

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]Lee was in a car? What are you talking about? Do you even know the events of the Kennedy assassination?Vilot_Hero

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]Lee was in a car? What are you talking about? Do you even know the events of the Kennedy assassination?Vilot_Hero

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]Lee was in a car? What are you talking about? Do you even know the events of the Kennedy assassination?Vilot_Hero

...wow. You really don't know anything about the Kennedy assassination do you?

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"][QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]Lee was in a car? What are you talking about? Do you even know the events of the Kennedy assassination?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]He was in the crowd, right in front of JFK's car...Another shooter had to be in a building(The FBI).Vilot_Hero