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#101 Brozekial
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I believe everything is infinite. I think we live in infinity in itself.
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#102 jman1553
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Space is infinite. The universe is not. the universe has a starting point as to when it began its expansion, and seeing as it's continuing to expand, it's not at infinity just yet. But it's really, really large.
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#103 Frame_Dragger
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Space is infinite. The universe is not. the universe has a starting point as to when it began its expansion, and seeing as it's continuing to expand, it's not at infinity just yet. But it's really, really large.jman1553
So you believe that an infinite quantity is contained without a finite volume. Go on... :roll:
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#104 tenaka2
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What say you?

I'm indifferent since we can't know for sure.

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Its been proved that the universe is expanding, as this is the case it cannot be infinite, just very large.

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#105 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="gamerguru100"]

What say you?

I'm indifferent since we can't know for sure.

Its been proved that the universe is expanding, as this is the case it cannot be infinite, just very large.

This is untrue... it could be infinite, expanding, and have been infinitely expanding for an infinite duration. Due to the Cosmological Event Horizon, we can't know. It's a conceptual kick in the balls, but expansion/contraction doesn't contradict infinite extent.
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#106 soulless4now
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To infinity and beyond!

But I'm not really sure what the answer would be. It could be, but maybe it isn't.

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#107 Big_Pecks
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It's hard to determine. I don't know how space would 'end'.

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#108 CBR600-RR
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Eh, who knows, I doubt we'll find out soon. Hopefully CERN come up with some fantastic finds in the future. I've just been watching Brian Cox on BBC2; I'm in the mood.

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#109 jman1553
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[QUOTE="jman1553"]Space is infinite. The universe is not. the universe has a starting point as to when it began its expansion, and seeing as it's continuing to expand, it's not at infinity just yet. But it's really, really large.Frame_Dragger
So you believe that an infinite quantity is contained without a finite volume. Go on... :roll:

Please elaborate. Your post didn't make much sense to me. But if I did read your post correctly, I think you got my point wrong.
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#110 katana_duo
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How about we don't know at all? I seriously doubt we'll ever truly find out. But if you're asking opinions I think it's as limited as we want it to be so we don't truly know.
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#111 Sunfyre7896
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No, there's a border out there somewhere. Eventually, it will collapse back in on itself, and the cycle begins anew.JustPlainLucas
That's not what I heard from science lately. The new premise is that matter will continue to expand away from each other so that one day, there won't be enough matter to form new stars and everything will just burn out. That seems depressing to me, but I'm just saying what I've heard from someone that follows the scientific community and I trust as a source.
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#112 taylor888
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There is a new telescope being put into space in the semi-near future that will be able to see much farther and answer more questions than any current telescope can. The present day telescopes can only see a finite distance away (I believe) so with a more powerful telescope, hopefully we can see even further away. I will wait until then to decide if I think the Universe is indeed infinite.
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#113 katana_duo
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There is a new telescope being put into space in the semi-near future that will be able to see much farther and answer more questions than any current telescope can. The present day telescopes can only see a finite distance away (I believe) so with a more powerful telescope, hopefully we can see even further away. I will wait until then to decide if I think the Universe is indeed infinite. taylor888
Whats interesting is that we're not seeing those things in real time but from thousands of years in the past since most of those other stars and galaxies are light years away.
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[QUOTE="taylor888"]There is a new telescope being put into space in the semi-near future that will be able to see much farther and answer more questions than any current telescope can. The present day telescopes can only see a finite distance away (I believe) so with a more powerful telescope, hopefully we can see even further away. I will wait until then to decide if I think the Universe is indeed infinite. katana_duo
Whats interesting is that we're not seeing those things in real time but from thousands of years in the past since most of those other stars and galaxies are light years away.

All of them, except Sol, actually :P
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#115 katana_duo
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[QUOTE="katana_duo"][QUOTE="taylor888"]There is a new telescope being put into space in the semi-near future that will be able to see much farther and answer more questions than any current telescope can. The present day telescopes can only see a finite distance away (I believe) so with a more powerful telescope, hopefully we can see even further away. I will wait until then to decide if I think the Universe is indeed infinite. xaos
Whats interesting is that we're not seeing those things in real time but from thousands of years in the past since most of those other stars and galaxies are light years away.

All of them, except Sol, actually :P

Oh yeah :P
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#116 jman1553
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Doesn't it take around 7 minutes for the light from our sun to reach us? I suppose thats the closest thing to "real time" we have in regards to stars.
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#117 NiKva
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I don't think about these things, because it doesn't affect me either way.
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#119 katana_duo
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Doesn't it take around 7 minutes for the light from our sun to reach us? I suppose thats the closest thing to "real time" we have in regards to stars.jman1553
8 minutes is a hell of a lot better than.. say 40 lightyears :P
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#120 Ilovegames1992
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Its just as feasible as the other options.

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#121 NiKva
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It has to be finite because infinites don't exist.
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#122 Frame_Dragger
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It has to be finite because infinites don't exist.NiKva
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#123 ToastRider11
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There's really no way to know or tell. If it does have a limit and border it sure is BIG.

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#124 NiKva
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[QUOTE="NiKva"]It has to be finite because infinites don't exist.Frame_Dragger

Can you prove anything that is infinite?
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#125 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="NiKva"]It has to be finite because infinites don't exist.NiKva

Can you prove anything that is infinite?

Yes I can... in fact, Euclid proved that there are an infinite number of Prime Numbers: N= p1...pn+1 Zeno's Paradox is another example of an infinite series... and he thought of this over 2500 years ago. Pay attention in school damn it!
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#126 NiKva
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An infinite amount of numbers isn't that mind blowing. Counting can be finite or infinite, numbers is what makes up infinity. Just because some smartasses could make up some theories and paradoxes doesn't mean that the universe is infinite. The universe is a large finite that expands, but is limited somewhere.
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#127 Ilovegames1992
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An infinite amount of numbers isn't that mind blowing. Counting can be finite or infinite, numbers is what makes up infinity. Just because some smartasses could make up some theories and paradoxes doesn't mean that the universe is infinite. The universe is a large finite that expands, but is limited somewhere.NiKva

You have proof it is limited brother?

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#128 NiKva
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[QUOTE="NiKva"]An infinite amount of numbers isn't that mind blowing. Counting can be finite or infinite, numbers is what makes up infinity. Just because some smartasses could make up some theories and paradoxes doesn't mean that the universe is infinite. The universe is a large finite that expands, but is limited somewhere.Ilovegames1992

You have proof it is limited brother?

Do you have proof that it isn't?
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#129 Ilovegames1992
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[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="NiKva"]An infinite amount of numbers isn't that mind blowing. Counting can be finite or infinite, numbers is what makes up infinity. Just because some smartasses could make up some theories and paradoxes doesn't mean that the universe is infinite. The universe is a large finite that expands, but is limited somewhere.NiKva

You have proof it is limited brother?

Do you have proof that it isn't?

Mine first. But then i'm not claiming it is or isn't so i dont have to answer your question.

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#130 Frame_Dragger
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An infinite amount of numbers isn't that mind blowing. Counting can be finite or infinite, numbers is what makes up infinity. Just because some smartasses could make up some theories and paradoxes doesn't mean that the universe is infinite. The universe is a large finite that expands, but is limited somewhere.NiKva
So your standard is how much this blows your mind... *facepalm*. I didn't CLAIM that the universe is infinite... I've said I believe that we're unlikely to ever know, but my personal belief is that it's finite and bounded. I answered YOUR question however, which was, "can you prove that infinities exist." I did... deal with it. I'd also say, that if you bothered to contemplate ANYTHING with an infinite scope, you'd find them all equally imponderable; we're not suited to consider any infinites. As for the rest, you make a claim about the nature of the universe without proof, having just shown that you don't really understand the subject with the same degree of finesse as someone who died 2500+ years before you were BORN.
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#131 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="NiKva"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

An infinite amount of numbers isn't that mind blowing. Counting can be finite or infinite, numbers is what makes up infinity. Just because some smartasses could make up some theories and paradoxes doesn't mean that the universe is infinite. The universe is a large finite that expands, but is limited somewhere.NiKva

You have proof it is limited brother?

Do you have proof that it isn't?

Look up, "Burden of Proof"... then trim your eyebrows... they're weighing down your brain.
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#132 NiKva
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[QUOTE="NiKva"]An infinite amount of numbers isn't that mind blowing. Counting can be finite or infinite, numbers is what makes up infinity. Just because some smartasses could make up some theories and paradoxes doesn't mean that the universe is infinite. The universe is a large finite that expands, but is limited somewhere.Frame_Dragger
So your standard is how much this blows your mind... *facepalm*. I didn't CLAIM that the universe is infinite... I've said I believe that we're unlikely to ever know, but my personal belief is that it's finite and bounded. I answered YOUR question however, which was, "can you prove that infinities exist." I did... deal with it. I'd also say, that if you bothered to contemplate ANYTHING with an infinite scope, you'd find them all equally imponderable; we're not suited to consider any infinites. As for the rest, you make a claim about the nature of the universe without proof, having just shown that you don't really understand the subject with the same degree of finesse as someone who died 2500+ years before you were BORN.

That's a bogus claim, a person 2500+ years ago thought that the sky was the heavens, not a universe :o
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#133 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="NiKva"]An infinite amount of numbers isn't that mind blowing. Counting can be finite or infinite, numbers is what makes up infinity. Just because some smartasses could make up some theories and paradoxes doesn't mean that the universe is infinite. The universe is a large finite that expands, but is limited somewhere.NiKva
So your standard is how much this blows your mind... *facepalm*. I didn't CLAIM that the universe is infinite... I've said I believe that we're unlikely to ever know, but my personal belief is that it's finite and bounded. I answered YOUR question however, which was, "can you prove that infinities exist." I did... deal with it. I'd also say, that if you bothered to contemplate ANYTHING with an infinite scope, you'd find them all equally imponderable; we're not suited to consider any infinites. As for the rest, you make a claim about the nature of the universe without proof, having just shown that you don't really understand the subject with the same degree of finesse as someone who died 2500+ years before you were BORN.

That's a bogus claim, a person 2500+ years ago thought that the sky was the heavens, not a universe :o

2500 years... and Zeno's Paradox is as true as it ever was... your claim on the other hand is still unfounded and laughable. That is, unless you figured out a way to read a destination through an infinite series of half-steps? For the record, you should consider suing whatever schools you've been attending on the grounds of gross negligence.
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#134 Ilovegames1992
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[QUOTE="NiKva"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

You have proof it is limited brother?

Ilovegames1992

Do you have proof that it isn't?

Mine first. But then i'm not claiming it is or isn't so i dont have to answer your question.

No? Ah well.

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#135 taylor888
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[QUOTE="taylor888"]There is a new telescope being put into space in the semi-near future that will be able to see much farther and answer more questions than any current telescope can. The present day telescopes can only see a finite distance away (I believe) so with a more powerful telescope, hopefully we can see even further away. I will wait until then to decide if I think the Universe is indeed infinite. katana_duo
Whats interesting is that we're not seeing those things in real time but from thousands of years in the past since most of those other stars and galaxies are light years away.

I think 13.6 billion light years is the furthest we are able to see. Quite a few years back I'd say. Something else that is related to this, if you took a super fast rocket (almost the speed of light) and went away from the earth for half a year and then came back, the Earth would have aged 10 years, while you only would have aged one.
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#136 riou7  Moderator
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Universe is expanding, that's all I know.

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#137 chaoscougar1
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[QUOTE="katana_duo"][QUOTE="taylor888"]There is a new telescope being put into space in the semi-near future that will be able to see much farther and answer more questions than any current telescope can. The present day telescopes can only see a finite distance away (I believe) so with a more powerful telescope, hopefully we can see even further away. I will wait until then to decide if I think the Universe is indeed infinite. taylor888
Whats interesting is that we're not seeing those things in real time but from thousands of years in the past since most of those other stars and galaxies are light years away.

I think 13.6 billion light years is the furthest we are able to see. Quite a few years back I'd say. Something else that is related to this, if you took a super fast rocket (almost the speed of light) and went away from the earth for half a year and then came back, the Earth would have aged 10 years, while you only would have aged one.

I think that is up to about 46 billion
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#138 T_REX305
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Yes. It is possible.

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#139 taylor888
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[QUOTE="NiKva"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]  Frame_Dragger
Can you prove anything that is infinite?

Yes I can... in fact, Euclid proved that there are an infinite number of Prime Numbers: N= p1...pn+1 Zeno's Paradox is another example of an infinite series... and he thought of this over 2500 years ago. Pay attention in school damn it!

I don't think anyone can prove infinity exists, it is just an idea. Without the notion of infinite numbers though, a whole lot of theories and things we think we know about the world would have to be recalculated. I'm sure the majority of Calculus depends on infinity existing. Don't quote me on this, but didn't Einstein utilize Calculus to prove his theory of relativity? His theory is what every stellar theory has been derived from. So unless you want to rethink everything we know, we must assume that infinity exists.
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#140 VanDammFan
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Yes, because space is infinite.xdude85

we cant even honestly make it to the moon....so how in the world do we know its infinite?

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#141 Ncsoftlover
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[QUOTE="xdude85"]Yes, because space is infinite.VanDammFan

we cant even honestly make it to the moon....so how in the world do we know its infinite?

What do you mean we can't make it to the moon.

Not only have we (or our lander and orbiter, and rover) been there, we've landed rover on Mars for years, and we actually landed a probe as far as Saturn's sixth moon : Titan, we also have probes that's now flying out of the solar system, we are making progress here.

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#142 VanDammFan
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[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

[QUOTE="xdude85"]Yes, because space is infinite.Ncsoftlover

we cant even honestly make it to the moon....so how in the world do we know its infinite?

What do you mean we can't make it to the moon.

Not only have we (or our lander and orbiter, and rover) been there, we've landed rover on Mars for years, and we actually landed a probe as far as Saturn's sixth moon : Titan, we also have probes that's now flying out of the solar system, we are making progress here.

NOPE...sorry..we have NOT been to the moon. THIS however is my opinion and not everyone else's

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[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

we cant even honestly make it to the moon....so how in the world do we know its infinite?

VanDammFan

What do you mean we can't make it to the moon.

Not only have we (or our lander and orbiter, and rover) been there, we've landed rover on Mars for years, and we actually landed a probe as far as Saturn's sixth moon : Titan, we also have probes that's now flying out of the solar system, we are making progress here.

NOPE...sorry..we have NOT been to the moon. THIS however is my opinion and not everyone else's

You know it doesn't actually matter if human have set foot on moon, we have the ability to land probe on Saturn's Titan, we have the ability to land a rover fully equiped to study Mars on its ground. We have the ability to fly our probes out of the solar system and taking images of neptune, uranus and pluto along the way, those are proven fact, and at this point, I'm not really interested in the man landing on moon controversy anymore, because honestly, you don't have to set foot somewhere to know about it, So your original statement about we can't make it to the moon in human (even assuming the minority opinion is true), doesn't not nesessarily mean we're not making progress knowing the universe, in fact, we know a lot about our solar system right now, the moon is not even the subject of interest anymore, and maybe one day, we'll know more about our own galaxy, and in the distant future, maybe we'll even venture further, not us, physically of course.

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#144 Hellfire-1
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Gamespot folks, attempting to conclude in one thread what scores of physicists and the like still can't agree on. :|
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Gamespot folks, attempting to conclude in one thread what scores of physicists and the like still can't agree on. :|Hellfire-1
If it helps, I don't think that the thread is meant to settle the question
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#146 maniamsmart
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We are near to a 5:3 agree to disagree. I say yes, it is, and it has been proven.
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#147 chaoscougar1
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[QUOTE="maniamsmart"]We are near to a 5:3 agree to disagree. I say yes, it is, and it has been proven.

Feel free to elaborate on the "It's been proven" part
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#148 Serraph105
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if it weren't infinite I wonder what nothingness would look like. Would it be an endless blank white light? If so then where would the light be coming from? Would it be an endless blackness completely lacking in light? If so would that be any different from space?

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#149 colibriosis
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[QUOTE="RisethNameless"]I generally tend to go with the idea that it is always expanding. Since there can't be infinite universe, and what the hell would be the border?

Maybe it's like the earth was until we invented planes and rockets? We just need the right technology to get out of the universe, to something even bigger (or a parallell one lol). Imagine what people will be saying in a thousand years (if still existing) about us who imagined the universe basically as a "flat neverending surface" like we once had imagined the earth to be.
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#150 maniamsmart
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if it weren't infinite I wonder what nothingness would look like. Would it be an endless blank white light? If so then where would the light be coming from? Would it be an endless blackness completely lacking in light? If so would that be any different from space?

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Would you answer those questions please? :P Lol, good point though, I've wondered about some of those too.