Does anyone deny Evolution is a fact anymore?

a lil more :P

legend26

If you're using Pokemon as evidence for evolution, then I'll do the same for God. I brought proof!

i raise you one god like geneticly alterd pokemon

[QUOTE="legend26"][QUOTE="eloyc"][QUOTE="legend26"]

evolution and the big bang have nothing to do with eachother, you have no idea what your taking about

eloyc

Yes, of course evolutionists DON'T believe in Big Bang.

also i can say the same thing for creationism, once upon a time there was nothing...then adam and eve

legend26

Although I'm Christian, I don't think one has to be Christian to deny evolution or find it a lame explanation of the origin of all species of the world.

PS: just a little Off-Topic: I always wondered who's there in your avatar :| :D

and how is it lame? there are freaking MOUNTAINS OF evidence for evolution, and what about creationism? oh yeah a book written thousands of years ago, i want more evidence then that

and how about you actually come up with an argument insted of

"lol evolution is so lame"

Ok, what does prove evolution? That someone has found some bones he thinks they are from antecessors of some other animals? Does this prove evolution?Have you been in the time those bones were buried? Have you seen how those species evolved?

And I believe in Creation just because I believe in God and I believe He did all that, that's what beliefs do, to get over 'science'. If I were an atheist I wouldn't believe in evolution, either.

Also, evolution doesn't contradict the idea of god. The really deciding factor in all of this is whether you want to go with all the evidence and believe in evolution, or ignore the evidence and believe in something that was disproven long long ago.

I prefer an atheist than a 'Christian' that believes in evolution.

Why to be Christian if you believe in evolution? If you call yourself Christian you should believe in what you're supposed to believe in.

eloyc

I do: I believe God is creator. If it was His good pleasure to create man by means of evolution, then I praise Him for His good choice.

'lalalalalalala'........whatever :roll:eloyc

Maturity. Good. That will convince people!

And I don't think it's wrong to question something, but it makes NO sense to say 'I'm Christian, but hey, I believe in evolution'. If one's Christian he believes in Christ. Christ didn't taught evolution, He said we're God's creation.eloyc

And evolution means we aren't God's creation...uhm...how exactly?

More to the point: who are you, and who am I, to dictate to God whether or not He should have used this or that method to bring creation about?

If you're not Christian, then PERFECT, you can believe whatever you want.eloyc

Nothing, save God, is perfect. ;)

And you DON'T know if I had time to learn about evolution, it's just you can't stand my beliefs.eloyc

I can't stand your ignorance, actually. :P

Matthew 19 4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'

Jesus didn't debate about the Creation because there was nothing to debate for Him about that issue.

If you want to believe in evolution, PERFECT, but don't call yourself a Christian.eloyc

If God made us "male and female" by means of evolution, doesn't that still mean Matthew 19:4 is correct?

Btw, as antheist I have HUGE respect to the Christians in this thread who are trying to talk some sense into the fundamentalists. Honetly, they make your religion look rediculous at best.

The stuff they say is just...ludicrous.

the_one34

Thanks. :)

Come on, buddy. Jesus was referring to God as the Creator of man. It's inherent in the Christian doctrine that God created Earth and animals, plants and people.

By the way, the stuff about the flat earth is far more later than Jesus era. It's known that ancient cultures believed that the Earth was round.

Isaiah 40:22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,

eloyc

Ever studied a map of the world, according to the ancient Babylonians (and remember: Babylonian culture would have influenced Hebrew culture in and around Isaiah's time, given the exile and all that)?

It was a circle. And flat.

That's what Isaiah was referencing.

Putting aside debates about word meanings, ancient cultures knew the earth was round. They had that as a fact.

For instance, ancient greeks represented Atlas bearing a round world, far early of the arguments about the flatness of Earth.

eloyc

Yes, but the Greeks =|= the Hebrews.

[QUOTE="eloyc"]'lalalalalalala'........whatever :roll:WtFDragon

Maturity. Good. That will convince people!

Come on... please read all that is written. That 'lalalala' was actually a quote, because somebody else said that before. Don't you see those ''?

And... about that other things, I already replied to Genetic_Code.

[QUOTE="WtFDragon"]

[QUOTE="eloyc"]'lalalalalalala'........whatever :roll:eloyc

Maturity. Good. That will convince people!

Come on... please read all that is written. That 'lalalala' was actually a quote, because somebody else said that before. Don't you see those ''?

And... about that other things, I already replied to Genetic_Code.

Granted. My observation seems still to stand, however.

[QUOTE="eloyc"]

Come on... please read all that is written. That 'lalalala' was actually a quote, because somebody else said that before. Don't you see those ''?

And... about that other things, I already replied to Genetic_Code.

WtFDragon

Granted. My observation seems still to stand, however.

Sorry, I can't change your mind for you to see me 'mature'. Have a nice day.

[QUOTE="WtFDragon"]

[QUOTE="eloyc"]

Come on... please read all that is written. That 'lalalala' was actually a quote, because somebody else said that before. Don't you see those ''?

And... about that other things, I already replied to Genetic_Code.

eloyc

Granted. My observation seems still to stand, however.

Sorry, I can't change your mind for you to see me 'mature'. Have a nice day.

Yes you can: act the part.

"Science rules."

BILL BILL BILL BILL...

"Science rules."

BILL BILL BILL BILL...

supercubedude64

maaaaan i loved that show!

I'm waiting for someone to say one of the following things: 1. Evolution has never been observed; 2. There are no transitional fossils; 3. Evolution is the work of satan; 4. All mutations are bad; 5.Evolution is a religion; 6. Evolution does not explain the origin of life; 7. Evolution violates the second law of thermo dynamics.

Come on creationists...you know you want to! ;)

[QUOTE="eloyc"]

Sorry, I can't change your mind for you to see me 'mature'. Have a nice day.

WtFDragon

Yes you can: act the part.

What part? :|

Evolution is a religion

the_one34

You can't deny that there are people who have a very. . . .religious view of evolution.

[QUOTE="the_one34"]

Evolution is a religion

Theokhoth

You can't deny that there are people who have a very. . . .religious view of evolution.

How can you have a religious view with regards to science?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="the_one34"]

Evolution is a religion

the_one34

You can't deny that there are people who have a very. . . .religious view of evolution.

How can you have a religious view with regards to science?

By making science the religion.

I'm waiting for someone to say one of the following things: 1. Evolution has never been observed; 2. There are no transitional fossils; 3. Evolution is the work of satan; 4. All mutations are bad; 5.Evolution is a religion; 6. Evolution does not explain the origin of life; 7. Evolution violates the second law of thermo dynamics.

Come on creationists...you know you want to! ;)

the_one34

It hasnt, there arent, it is, they are, it is, it doesnt, it does.

[QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="the_one34"]

Evolution is a religion

Theokhoth

You can't deny that there are people who have a very. . . .religious view of evolution.

How can you have a religious view with regards to science?

By making science the religion.

I don't know. It might evoke some quasi religious feelings, as Evolution explains and unites so much in biology. Not learning evolution is like having "biologist's amnesia".

It does resemble Einstein's "religious" views with regards to science.

[QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="the_one34"]

Evolution is a religion

Theokhoth

You can't deny that there are people who have a very. . . .religious view of evolution.

How can you have a religious view with regards to science?

By making science the religion.

Science is based on facts, religion is based on faith. End of story. Therefore evolution is not a religion because one doesnt not have to have faith to know that evolution has happened.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="the_one34"]

Evolution is a religion

laughingman42

You can't deny that there are people who have a very. . . .religious view of evolution.

How can you have a religious view with regards to science?

By making science the religion.

Science is based on facts, religion is based on faith. End of story.

Religion is based on philosophical matters and personal beliefs. Basing your philosophy and beliefs on the workings of science turns science into a religion.

Reviewing the references to scientism in the works of contemporary scholars, Gregory R. Peterson detects two main broad themes:

1. it is used to criticize a totalizing view of science as if it were capable of describing allreality and knowledge, or as if it were the only true way to acquire knowledge about reality and the nature of things;
2. it is used to denote a border-crossing violation in which the theories and methods of one (scientific) discipline are inappropriately applied to another (scientific or non-scientific) discipline and its domain. Examples of this second usage is to label as scientism the attempts to claim science as the only or primary source of human values (a traditional domain of ethics), or as the source of meaning and purpose (a traditional domain of religion and related worldviews).

Life is not black and white, and religion is even more complicated.

End of story.

[QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="the_one34"]

Evolution is a religion

Theokhoth

You can't deny that there are people who have a very. . . .religious view of evolution.

How can you have a religious view with regards to science?

By making science the religion.

Science is based on facts, religion is based on faith. End of story.

Religion is based on philosophical matters and personal beliefs. Basing your philosophy and beliefs on the workings of science turns science into a religion.

Reviewing the references to scientism in the works of contemporary scholars, Gregory R. Peterson detects two main broad themes:

1. it is used to criticize a totalizing view of science as if it were capable of describing allreality and knowledge, or as if it were the only true way to acquire knowledge about reality and the nature of things;
2. it is used to denote a border-crossing violation in which the theories and methods of one (scientific) discipline are inappropriately applied to another (scientific or non-scientific) discipline and its domain. Examples of this second usage is to label as scientism the attempts to claim science as the only or primary source of human values (a traditional domain of ethics), or as the source of meaning and purpose (a traditional domain of religion and related worldviews).

Life is not black and white, and religion is even more complicated.

End of story.

So if I make sure to never jump off a cliff due to gravity, does that mean im basing my life philosofy on gravitational theory and thus turning it into a religion? :P

[QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="the_one34"]

Evolution is a religion

Theokhoth

You can't deny that there are people who have a very. . . .religious view of evolution.

How can you have a religious view with regards to science?

By making science the religion.

Science is based on facts, religion is based on faith. End of story.

Religion is based on philosophical matters and personal beliefs. Basing your philosophy and beliefs on the workings of science turns science into a religion.

Reviewing the references to scientism in the works of contemporary scholars, Gregory R. Peterson detects two main broad themes:

1. it is used to criticize a totalizing view of science as if it were capable of describing allreality and knowledge, or as if it were the only true way to acquire knowledge about reality and the nature of things;
2. it is used to denote a border-crossing violation in which the theories and methods of one (scientific) discipline are inappropriately applied to another (scientific or non-scientific) discipline and its domain. Examples of this second usage is to label as scientism the attempts to claim science as the only or primary source of human values (a traditional domain of ethics), or as the source of meaning and purpose (a traditional domain of religion and related worldviews).

Life is not black and white, and religion is even more complicated.

End of story.

thats nice and all but name a religion that can be proven to be entirely right with hard facts.

So if I make sure to never jump off a cliff due to gravity, does that mean im basing my life philosofy on gravitational theory and thus turning it into a religion? :P

the_one34

No. If you make sure never to jump off a cliff, you're making sure to keep yourself alive.

If, however, you view jumping off a cliff as immoral or a sin because of gravity, then you're crossing the line.

It hasnt, there arent, it is, they are, it is, it doesnt, it does.laughingman42

I'm waiting for someone to say one of the following things: 1. Evolution has never been observed; 2. There are no transitional fossils; 3. Evolution is the work of satan; 4. All mutations are bad; 5.Evolution is a religion; 6. Evolution does not explain the origin of life; 7. Evolution violates the second law of thermo dynamics.

Come on creationists...you know you want to! ;)

the_one34

[QUOTE="the_one34"]

So if I make sure to never jump off a cliff due to gravity, does that mean im basing my life philosofy on gravitational theory and thus turning it into a religion? :P

Theokhoth

No. If you make sure never to jump off a cliff, you're making sure to keep yourself alive.

If, however, you view jumping off a cliff as immoral or a sin because of gravity, then you're crossing the line.

You have just proven the theory of gravity itself is not a religion.

thats nice and all but name a religion that can be proven to be entirely right with hard facts.

laughingman42

You're missing the point.

1. Science doesn't decide "cold, hard facts." Nor is it the only means to prove something is true or false.

2. Let's say that there's a religion that is based on the belief in the truth of evolution. Would that religion not be based on facts simply because it is a religion?

Science can be and often is turned into a religion, mainly by very ignorant people who believe the word "religion" automatically means"not based on facts.";)

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]It hasnt, there arent, it is, they are, it is, it doesnt, it does.foxhound_fox

Simple, he was sent by god.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="the_one34"]

So if I make sure to never jump off a cliff due to gravity, does that mean im basing my life philosofy on gravitational theory and thus turning it into a religion? :P

laughingman42

No. If you make sure never to jump off a cliff, you're making sure to keep yourself alive.

If, however, you view jumping off a cliff as immoral or a sin because of gravity, then you're crossing the line.

You have just proven the theory of gravity itself is not a religion.

No, it's not. But the means to which we discover gravity, called science, can be. It depends on how it's treated. Why do you think the term "scientism" was created in the first place?

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]

thats nice and all but name a religion that can be proven to be entirely right with hard facts.

Theokhoth

You're missing the point.

1. Science doesn't decide "cold, hard facts." Nor is it the only means to prove something is true or false.

2. Let's say that there's a religion that is based on the belief in the truth of evolution. Would that religion not be based on facts simply because it is a religion?

Science can be and often is turned into a religion, mainly by very ignorant people who believe the word "religion" automatically means"not based on facts.";)

back to the origional point you have yet to prove that evolution is a religion, only that people can veiw it as such, (in which case litterally anything can be a religion)

back to the origional point you have yet to prove that evolution is a religion, only that people can veiw it as such, (in which case litterally anything can be a religion)

laughingman42

I never said evolution is a religion; only that people often view it as such. Usually it's without their knowing it.

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]

back to the origional point you have yet to prove that evolution is a religion, only that people can veiw it as such, (in which case litterally anything can be a religion)

Theokhoth

I never said evolution is a religion; only that people often view it as such. Usually it's without their knowing it.

do you mean those people that think that science disproves the existance of god and that sort of thing?

[QUOTE="WtFDragon"][QUOTE="eloyc"]

Sorry, I can't change your mind for you to see me 'mature'. Have a nice day.

eloyc

Yes you can: act the part.

What part? :|

As in: act mature, present your arguments maturely, and demonstrate a capacity for reason as well as a capacity for regurgitating what your pastor tells you.

[QUOTE="WtFDragon"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Most don't. Even religion is starting to revolve around that evolution happened. Pirate700

Well, most of us are waking up to the fact that there's no real inherent conflict between the two. Some of us are a bit slower than others.

Well, it sort of conflicts with Christianity but that doesn't mean there is no God.

[QUOTE="the_one34"]

I'm waiting for someone to say one of the following things: 1. Evolution has never been observed; 2. There are no transitional fossils; 3. Evolution is the work of satan; 4. All mutations are bad; 5.Evolution is a religion; 6. Evolution does not explain the origin of life; 7. Evolution violates the second law of thermo dynamics.

Come on creationists...you know you want to! ;)

Silenthps

You mean that hasn't been done already?

[QUOTE="Pirate700"][QUOTE="WtFDragon"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Most don't. Even religion is starting to revolve around that evolution happened. -Austin-

Well, most of us are waking up to the fact that there's no real inherent conflict between the two. Some of us are a bit slower than others.

Well, it sort of conflicts with Christianity but that doesn't mean there is no God.

I know plenty of Christians -- myself included -- who would disagree. In fact, this little, obscure sect of Christians I know, called Catholics, have no problem with the theory (at a doctrinal level; individual Catholics can still be idiots about it, though).

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="laughingman42"]

back to the origional point you have yet to prove that evolution is a religion, only that people can veiw it as such, (in which case litterally anything can be a religion)

laughingman42

I never said evolution is a religion; only that people often view it as such. Usually it's without their knowing it.

do you mean those people that think that science disproves the existance of god and that sort of thing?

Yes, or that science should decide our moral beliefs, or things like that.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="the_one34"]

I'm waiting for someone to say one of the following things: 1. Evolution has never been observed; 2. There are no transitional fossils; 3. Evolution is the work of satan; 4. All mutations are bad; 5.Evolution is a religion; 6. Evolution does not explain the origin of life; 7. Evolution violates the second law of thermo dynamics.

Come on creationists...you know you want to! ;)

WtFDragon

Satan must be a pretty nice guy, he gave us the model by which we can predict strains of resistant bacteria. Those damn antibiotics!

[QUOTE="eloyc"][QUOTE="WtFDragon"][QUOTE="eloyc"]

Sorry, I can't change your mind for you to see me 'mature'. Have a nice day.

WtFDragon

Yes you can: act the part.

What part? :|

As in: act mature, present your arguments maturely, and demonstrate a capacity for reason as well as a capacity for regurgitating what your pastor tells you.

:lol: You want me to be 'mature' (that is, to think the same you think) but you're talking about what my pastor says and you have no idea about that.

I doesn't matter at the end, I'll always be a stupid animal from your point of view if I don't think like you.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"][QUOTE="WtFDragon"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Most don't. Even religion is starting to revolve around that evolution happened. -Austin-

Well, most of us are waking up to the fact that there's no real inherent conflict between the two. Some of us are a bit slower than others.

Well, it sort of conflicts with Christianity but that doesn't mean there is no God.

It conflicts with biblical litteralism, not christianity. Christianity (at its core) is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ and that he is our savior that will lead us on the path or rightiousness and that through his sacrifice we can be forgiven of out sins and go to heaven. Not a belief that every word in the bible is fact.

Yes, or that science should decide our moral beliefs, or things like that. Theokhoth

[QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="laughingman42"]

back to the origional point you have yet to prove that evolution is a religion, only that people can veiw it as such, (in which case litterally anything can be a religion)

Theokhoth

I never said evolution is a religion; only that people often view it as such. Usually it's without their knowing it.

do you mean those people that think that science disproves the existance of god and that sort of thing?

Yes, or that science should decide our moral beliefs, or things like that.

There actually is a scientific explination for why cooperation is good. (look up the prisoner's delima) I'm not sure about any other morals though.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Yes, or that science should decide our moral beliefs, or things like that. foxhound_fox

I've heard plenty of scientists say such things, but none of them were very respectable.