[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"] it's not liek it's contagious. Theokhoth
Oh, it's very contagious.
*Sneezes towards Funky*
...
>_>
Damn, the Prince of Persia's hot.
Does God Hate G@ys??
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[QUOTE="N-I-N"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="N-I-N"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"][QUOTE="N-I-N"]So if i wanted to for example do something as odd and unnatural as raep your young children , then that would be OKAY? i dont think it would, but thats just me, i think it would be a tremendous disrespect to you and your family. Things that are percieved to be dangerous to our survival and to others around us are labelled as "wrong" or "bad", hell even junk food recieves BAD publicity.
Now i would love to see a world of pure anarchy where people run around doing whatever the hell they want, but i can safely say that i am in a minority that wants to see this happen, and until that happens, i will only consider the things that i enjoy right, and homosexuality isnt one of them, i think of it as an unnatural and unarousing sexual deviance, i do not like it, or want to see it. If sadomasochists can hold back on wearing their fetish gear to restaurants, then homosexuals can avoid holding hands in public.
Funky_Llama
The fact that you would compare homosexuality to pedophilia is just disgusting. And if homosexuals cannot hold hands in public, then heterosexuals cannot either.
LMFAO, were going around in circles.
You think im disgusting, and my views are illogical.
I think Your disgusting, and your views are illogical.
the question is; when will you open your eyes and see that people will always hate what is different? its not going to change. it still hasnt changed.
Years ago black people were acknoweldged as "inferior citizens" . now they are apparently on the same level as any race.
Still they are feared and hated by a VERY large percentage of the world.
THings dont change, get it in your head.
unfortunate but true.
Yeah, but the difference is, you're wrong. You've consistently failed to prove that it's immoral. Your every comment is a big, steaming, fallacious pile of fail.
Difference is, your wrong BUT you THINK your right, which is sad, imo ofcourse.
I could just say, from what ive seen gays are tremendously annoying and I DO NOT LIKE THEM.
And God doesnt like them because God is cool. God doesnt like things that are a waste of oxygen upon his beloved planet. he certainly wouldnt want to see his little experiment run out of test subjects, so to speak.
Imagine God wakes up, "ahh what a lovely day it is on Ear... oh hey, hang on, where the hell is everybody?"
"sorry God they have all turned gay and over the last 2000 years managed to wipe themselves out!" says N-I-N
God : RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
the end.
yeah thats a perfectly logical philosophy.
God Hates Gays
deal with it or go away please :)
"imo" being the keyword there. ;)
Ah, it's not about whether you find them annoying, it's about whether God hates them.
For a start, human extinction won't happen any time soon. If humanity were threatened, for all you know gays might start having sex with women to boost the population count. Besides which, thanks to genetics, homosexuals can have kids, so your argument's flawed anyway. Fail.
No sir, YOU fail.
I do not want to be a minority in a world ovverun by gays.
Imagine if the straight community were as persecuted at the gay community is now.
and please stop using the word "fail", ill admit you used it in a justifiable context the first time, but the second time it sounded like you just learned the word a few minutes ago and trying to use it as much as you can now that you have learnt it.
Needless to say it sounds very very noobish.
Take that into mind, ye failcake ye.
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]If God created everyone and being a homosexual is not a choice, then, God created homosexuals.
ithilgore2006
That's a bit of a non-sequitur. If homosexuality is caused by hormones from the mother then it is more of a biological abnormality that occurred after the human's creation, so God didn't make them gay
Yes but he's omnipotent and omniscient , he should have seen that coming, if it was a mistake he woul;d have fixed it by now.Why? A person is put into the mother's womb by the parents who have sex. Then the mother's body has some kind of malfunction with hormones, and out comes lil' Lance.
[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]If God created everyone and being a homosexual is not a choice, then, God created homosexuals.
Theokhoth
That's a bit of a non-sequitur. If homosexuality is caused by hormones from the mother then it is more of a biological abnormality that occurred after the human's creation, so God didn't make them gay
Sorry, but quite the intellectual mine field you've created there.
Evolution is blind; who's to say what a 'biological abnormality' is?
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]But the difference between now and Sodom is that these sins can be forgiven, rather than destroyed.
Funky_Llama
Why? It's the same sin; surely it should have the same punishment.
No, because of the rules in the New Covenant. You don't see me bursting into flames, do you?
No sir, YOU fail.
I do not want to be a minority in a world ovverun by gays.
Imagine if the straight community were as persecuted at the gay community is now.
and please stop using the word "fail", ill admit you used it in a justifiable context the first time, but the second time it sounded like you just learned the word a few minutes ago and trying to use it as much as you can now that you have learnt it.
Needless to say it sounds very very noobish.
Take that into mind, ye failcake ye.
N-I-N
Well, that would be a shame but, on the other hand, you would get a taste of your own god-damned medicine.
[QUOTE="N-I-N"]oh and did i mention AIDS ?Dark_Knight6
No, you didn't. And I can see why, it has no place in this thread. Don't even say it started with gay couples, no one knows the origin of AIDS.
[QUOTE="N-I-N"]In the end, no one has a right to tell someone else how to live. No one has the right to take life. Still, so many hate crimes continue against homosexuals and the LGBT community. When I go out at night I shouldn't have to worry about my odds of getting attacked for who I am.
But hey, because I'm not part of the majority, i guess you'd just chalk it up to people seeing me as different and fearing me, and putting the blame on me.
Funky_Llama
Sorry, thats what people do, its the SAD TRUTH, but it is one we must learn to ACCEPT. If the world wont change to accept you, and you have a problem with that, you must learn to change for the world.
seriously i never thought i would say that, but even i had to do that , just to be able to talk to other human beings.
Why must gays 'change' (which they can't) to accommodate the intolerence of people like you?
If they dont wan tto change then they shouldnt complain.
DIfferent strokes for different folks, whatveer may float your boat may not float another mans, indeed it may repulse the other man enough so that he will hate you for it.
lulz
[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="N-I-N"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="N-I-N"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"][QUOTE="N-I-N"]So if i wanted to for example do something as odd and unnatural as raep your young children , then that would be OKAY? i dont think it would, but thats just me, i think it would be a tremendous disrespect to you and your family. Things that are percieved to be dangerous to our survival and to others around us are labelled as "wrong" or "bad", hell even junk food recieves BAD publicity.
Now i would love to see a world of pure anarchy where people run around doing whatever the hell they want, but i can safely say that i am in a minority that wants to see this happen, and until that happens, i will only consider the things that i enjoy right, and homosexuality isnt one of them, i think of it as an unnatural and unarousing sexual deviance, i do not like it, or want to see it. If sadomasochists can hold back on wearing their fetish gear to restaurants, then homosexuals can avoid holding hands in public.
N-I-N
The fact that you would compare homosexuality to pedophilia is just disgusting. And if homosexuals cannot hold hands in public, then heterosexuals cannot either.
LMFAO, were going around in circles.
You think im disgusting, and my views are illogical.
I think Your disgusting, and your views are illogical.
the question is; when will you open your eyes and see that people will always hate what is different? its not going to change. it still hasnt changed.
Years ago black people were acknoweldged as "inferior citizens" . now they are apparently on the same level as any race.
Still they are feared and hated by a VERY large percentage of the world.
THings dont change, get it in your head.
unfortunate but true.
Yeah, but the difference is, you're wrong. You've consistently failed to prove that it's immoral. Your every comment is a big, steaming, fallacious pile of fail.
Difference is, your wrong BUT you THINK your right, which is sad, imo ofcourse.
I could just say, from what ive seen gays are tremendously annoying and I DO NOT LIKE THEM.
And God doesnt like them because God is cool. God doesnt like things that are a waste of oxygen upon his beloved planet. he certainly wouldnt want to see his little experiment run out of test subjects, so to speak.
Imagine God wakes up, "ahh what a lovely day it is on Ear... oh hey, hang on, where the hell is everybody?"
"sorry God they have all turned gay and over the last 2000 years managed to wipe themselves out!" says N-I-N
God : RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
the end.
yeah thats a perfectly logical philosophy.
God Hates Gays
deal with it or go away please :)
"imo" being the keyword there. ;)
Ah, it's not about whether you find them annoying, it's about whether God hates them.
For a start, human extinction won't happen any time soon. If humanity were threatened, for all you know gays might start having sex with women to boost the population count. Besides which, thanks to genetics, homosexuals can have kids, so your argument's flawed anyway. Fail.
No sir, YOU fail.
I do not want to be a minority in a world ovverun by gays.
Imagine if the straight community were as persecuted at the gay community is now.
and please stop using the word "fail", ill admit you used it in a justifiable context the first time, but the second time it sounded like you just learned the word a few minutes ago and trying to use it as much as you can now that you have learnt it.
Needless to say it sounds very very noobish.
Take that into mind, ye failcake ye.
Just because gays are accepted, doesn't mean that everyone will become one... They are still the vast minority...No sir, YOU fail.
I do not want to be a minority in a world ovverun by gays.
Imagine if the straight community were as persecuted at the gay community is now.
and please stop using the word "fail", ill admit you used it in a justifiable context the first time, but the second time it sounded like you just learned the word a few minutes ago and trying to use it as much as you can now that you have learnt it.
Needless to say it sounds very very noobish.
Take that into mind, ye failcake ye.
N-I-N
:roll:
If the straight community were a minority (which simply wouldn't happen; only a small percentage of people turn out to be gay and we can't change that) and were persecuted just as the gay community is now, it would be no better and no worse; there's still persecution, just of a different group.
Besides which, that wouldn't mean that homosexuality is immoral, or that God hates gays, so you've completely missed the point.
I don't think it's evolution. Science can look at chromosomes for instance and see that too few or too many create an individuality in the minority. That would make it an abnormality in count. Same with variations in brain development etc.Sorry, but quite the intellectual mine field you've created there.
Evolution is blind; who's to say what a 'biological abnormality' is?
MetalGear_Ninty
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]If God created everyone and being a homosexual is not a choice, then, God created homosexuals.
MetalGear_Ninty
That's a bit of a non-sequitur. If homosexuality is caused by hormones from the mother then it is more of a biological abnormality that occurred after the human's creation, so God didn't make them gay
Sorry, but quite the intellectual mine field you've created there.
Evolution is blind; who's to say what a 'biological abnormality' is?
Most people, even gay wouldn't argue that homosexuality is not the product of something that went wrong somewhere down the line.If a person is normally straight when the hormones of the mother don't interfere in development, and if these hormone interventions are not the norm, then there's something biologically iffy here.
And while evolution may be blind, natural selection is not.
[QUOTE="N-I-N"]No sir, YOU fail.
I do not want to be a minority in a world ovverun by gays.
Imagine if the straight community were as persecuted at the gay community is now.
and please stop using the word "fail", ill admit you used it in a justifiable context the first time, but the second time it sounded like you just learned the word a few minutes ago and trying to use it as much as you can now that you have learnt it.
Needless to say it sounds very very noobish.
Take that into mind, ye failcake ye.
Dark_Knight6
Well, that would be a shame but, on the other hand, you would get a taste of your own god-damned medicine.
Thats the point. No one wants a taste of their own medicine. not you not me not my pet snail.
Thank you for elaborating that one for me ;)
[QUOTE="N-I-N"]oh and did i mention AIDS ?MetalGear_Ninty
After 12 pages and you thought things couldn't get worse...
This was discussed in a thread much like this a few weeks back. I hate seeing this come up because so many are dead set on the idea that AIDS came from homosexuals and people into beastiality.
This is a turn for the worse, most definitely.
AIDS came from a mutated form of the SIV virus found in chimps. Hunters in western africa caught and killed these chimps. Either by eating, or the chimp blood getting into cuts/wounds on the hunter, it transferred over. Heck, today through buthering and eating chimps, Africans obtain the SFV virus. There's also a theory about an experimental polio vaccine grown in chimp kidneys being extracted and given to patients...thus giving them the mutated SIV in some cases.
It got to USA through immigration, and transmissed through drugs(infected needles and such), and obviously anal sex, among some other methods.
Not ever Gay person has AIDS. None of the two dozen gay friends I have are infected.
[QUOTE="Enosh88"]yes thats all nice and interesting, but I don't understand why the new testament overrules the rules of the old one (the 10 commandments are from the old testament, yet christians still follow them (or atleat should :P)). Did god have a change of hearth about homosexuals in the 1000 or so years? And where does Sodom fit into this? It preaty clear that he didn't really like homosexuals if he destroyed a whole city beacose of them...
note: i don't hate homosexuals, I just want to know where exactly the bible fits into the whole thing, since I have heard both stories about how god loves everyone and about how god hates certain people and both can't be right.
Theokhoth
We'll get to all that.;)
Now, the Old Covenant was Jewish Law. And it remained that way for thousands of years.
Then along came Jesus. The reason why He was crucified was because, according to the pharisees, He violated Jewish Law with His teachings.
With His death and Resurrection, the Old Covenant was ended and a New Covenant was made. This New Covenant is different than the Old in that it contains few rules compared to the Old Covenant (10 of these rules being the Ten Commandments), and the forgiveness of sins that was granted to people was permanent and for everyone, not just temporary or for Jews. The rules of the New Covenant are the teachings of Christ. In effect, Christ IS the New Covenant Himself.
Christians today are bound by the New Covenant, not the Old. Though they can choose to follow some rules of the Old Covenant, if they'd like, such as Passover.
OBVIOUS OBJECTION: Jesus Himself stated that he did not come to destroy the Law (being the Old Covenant) but to fulfill it. But remember when I said before that the Covenant was a contract? Contracts are fulfilled, not destroyed.;)
Now, about Sodom: The Old Covenant was a Covenant of Law, and it was a harsh one. Sodom was not destroyed just for their homosexual acts, but also for their horrible displays of charity toward Gods' messengers (they were huddled in a house and the Sodomites wanted them to come out to be raped.:|)
The reason why the Old Testament is a part of the Bible is to show the history of Earth, God and Israel, and to gather the significance of the presence of the New Covenant as contrasted with the Old.
Homosexual acts are still sins, and it's arguable as to whether or not homosexuality is as well. But the difference between now and Sodom is that these sins can be forgiven, rather than destroyed. >_>
Make any sense?
i see so the old testament is basicly in to show how the world and its creation was before the coming of jesus, with god being much less merciful since the whole "died for our sins" thing wasn't yet in effect
one less question:
how far does the "died for our sins" and forgiveness thing extend (If remember corectly jesus said that all sins are forgiven except the one of deneing god)? Some people say that whatever you do if you ask god for forgiveness you are granted it, isn't with that logic also posible for a person like Hitler (or any other mass murderer) to get into heaven just beacose he belived in God?
see even an atheist is wiling to learn something about religion :P
oh and thanks for the answers and having the patience with me^^
If they dont wan tto change then they shouldnt complain.
DIfferent strokes for different folks, whatveer may float your boat may not float another mans, indeed it may repulse the other man enough so that he will hate you for it.
lulz
N-I-N
:roll: You've failed to answer the question. Why should they have to change?
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]I don't think it's evolution. Science can look at chromosomes for instance and see that too few or too many create an individuality in the minority. That would make it an abnormality in count. Same with variations in brain development etc.Sorry, but quite the intellectual mine field you've created there.
Evolution is blind; who's to say what a 'biological abnormality' is?
LJS9502_basic
Yes... it can't be evolution. I mean, a gay gene would be about the least likely to be passed on I can possibly imagine.
[QUOTE="N-I-N"]No sir, YOU fail.
I do not want to be a minority in a world ovverun by gays.
Imagine if the straight community were as persecuted at the gay community is now.
and please stop using the word "fail", ill admit you used it in a justifiable context the first time, but the second time it sounded like you just learned the word a few minutes ago and trying to use it as much as you can now that you have learnt it.
Needless to say it sounds very very noobish.
Take that into mind, ye failcake ye.
Funky_Llama
:roll:
If the straight community were a minority (which simply wouldn't happen; only a small percentage of people turn out to be gay and we can't change that) and were persecuted just as the gay community is now, it would be no better and no worse; there's still persecution, just of a different group.
Besides which, that wouldn't mean that homosexuality is immoral, or that God hates gays, so you've completely missed the point.
If your looking at it from a religious aspect...
Adam and Eve not Adam and Paul/THREAD
[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="N-I-N"]No sir, YOU fail.
I do not want to be a minority in a world ovverun by gays.
Imagine if the straight community were as persecuted at the gay community is now.
and please stop using the word "fail", ill admit you used it in a justifiable context the first time, but the second time it sounded like you just learned the word a few minutes ago and trying to use it as much as you can now that you have learnt it.
Needless to say it sounds very very noobish.
Take that into mind, ye failcake ye.
N-I-N
:roll:
If the straight community were a minority (which simply wouldn't happen; only a small percentage of people turn out to be gay and we can't change that) and were persecuted just as the gay community is now, it would be no better and no worse; there's still persecution, just of a different group.
Besides which, that wouldn't mean that homosexuality is immoral, or that God hates gays, so you've completely missed the point.
If your looking at it from a religious aspect...
Adam and Eve not Adam and Paul/THREAD
Yet again, that's the naturalistic fallacy. And just because the first humans were heterosexual doesn't make homosexuality immoral.
[QUOTE="N-I-N"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"][QUOTE="N-I-N"]oh and did i mention AIDS ?Funky_Llama
No, you didn't. And I can see why, it has no place in this thread. Don't even say it started with gay couples, no one knows the origin of AIDS.
[QUOTE="N-I-N"]In the end, no one has a right to tell someone else how to live. No one has the right to take life. Still, so many hate crimes continue against homosexuals and the LGBT community. When I go out at night I shouldn't have to worry about my odds of getting attacked for who I am.
But hey, because I'm not part of the majority, i guess you'd just chalk it up to people seeing me as different and fearing me, and putting the blame on me.
Funky_Llama
Sorry, thats what people do, its the SAD TRUTH, but it is one we must learn to ACCEPT. If the world wont change to accept you, and you have a problem with that, you must learn to change for the world.
seriously i never thought i would say that, but even i had to do that , just to be able to talk to other human beings.
Why must gays 'change' (which they can't) to accommodate the intolerence of people like you?
If they dont wan tto change then they shouldnt complain.
DIfferent strokes for different folks, whatveer may float your boat may not float another mans, indeed it may repulse the other man enough so that he will hate you for it.
lulz
:roll: You've failed to answer the question. Why should they have to change?
To avoid the narrow mindedness and hatred of the general public.
[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"][QUOTE="N-I-N"]oh and did i mention AIDS ?N-I-N
No, you didn't. And I can see why, it has no place in this thread. Don't even say it started with gay couples, no one knows the origin of AIDS.
[QUOTE="N-I-N"]In the end, no one has a right to tell someone else how to live. No one has the right to take life. Still, so many hate crimes continue against homosexuals and the LGBT community. When I go out at night I shouldn't have to worry about my odds of getting attacked for who I am.
But hey, because I'm not part of the majority, i guess you'd just chalk it up to people seeing me as different and fearing me, and putting the blame on me.
Funky_Llama
Sorry, thats what people do, its the SAD TRUTH, but it is one we must learn to ACCEPT. If the world wont change to accept you, and you have a problem with that, you must learn to change for the world.
seriously i never thought i would say that, but even i had to do that , just to be able to talk to other human beings.
Why must gays 'change' (which they can't) to accommodate the intolerence of people like you?
If they dont wan tto change then they shouldnt complain.
DIfferent strokes for different folks, whatveer may float your boat may not float another mans, indeed it may repulse the other man enough so that he will hate you for it.
lulz
And you encourage that is it? That's the impression I'm getting.one less question:
how far does the "died for our sins" and forgiveness thing extend (If remember corectly jesus said that all sins are forgiven except the one of deneing god)? Some people say that whatever you do if you ask god for forgiveness you are granted it, isn't with that logic also posible for a person like Hitler (or any other mass murderer) to get into heaven just beacose he belived in God?
see even an atheist is wiling to learn something about religion :P
oh and thanks for the answers and having the patience with me^^
Enosh88
All sins are forgiven, period. When Jesus said that cursing the Holy Spirit wouldn't be forgiven, what He was saying is that a person who goes far enough to do that would be so far away that he wouldn't even want to be forgiven, so he would never ask, so he would never be forgiven.
It is possible for a mass murderer to become a Christian, however for it to mean anything at all he has to never murder again, pay whatever legal consequences he has brought on for his crimes (it is a rule that Christians obey their government, as long as the government doesn't demand anything ungodly of the people), etc. I do not know if a person can be a valid Christian on his deathbed. He and he may not. It's a mystery.
Meh, you didn't bring in the whole "religion is stupid and irrational" rhetoric, so I could talk with you all night.:D
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]I don't think it's evolution. Science can look at chromosomes for instance and see that too few or too many create an individuality in the minority. That would make it an abnormality in count. Same with variations in brain development etc.Sorry, but quite the intellectual mine field you've created there.
Evolution is blind; who's to say what a 'biological abnormality' is?
LJS9502_basic
I see.
Going by Theok's logic, even though, it is a minority, then surely God still created that. Thereby, leading to the question, what is, and is not God's creation -- are all abnormalities exempt from being labelled God's creation?
Isn't evolution born from the concept of 'abnormality' when that first mutation occurs?
[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"][QUOTE="N-I-N"]No sir, YOU fail.
I do not want to be a minority in a world ovverun by gays.
Imagine if the straight community were as persecuted at the gay community is now.
and please stop using the word "fail", ill admit you used it in a justifiable context the first time, but the second time it sounded like you just learned the word a few minutes ago and trying to use it as much as you can now that you have learnt it.
Needless to say it sounds very very noobish.
Take that into mind, ye failcake ye.
N-I-N
Well, that would be a shame but, on the other hand, you would get a taste of your own god-damned medicine.
Thats the point. No one wants a taste of their own medicine. not you not me not my pet snail.
Thank you for elaborating that one for me ;)
You might not want it, but you definitely deserve it.
[QUOTE="Lockedge"]
In the end, no one has a right to tell someone else how to live. No one has the right to take life. Still, so many hate crimes continue against homosexuals and the LGBT community. When I go out at night I shouldn't have to worry about my odds of getting attacked for who I am.
But hey, because I'm not part of the majority, i guess you'd just chalk it up to people seeing me as different and fearing me, and putting the blame on me.
N-I-N
Sorry, thats what people do, its the SAD TRUTH, but it is one we must learn to ACCEPT. If the world wont change to accept you, and you have a problem with that, you must learn to change for the world.
seriously i never thought i would say that, but even i had to do that , just to be able to talk to other human beings.
I've accepted the fact that people will hate me for what I am, and not see me for who I am. The world will gradually come to accept those like me, but it'll be a slower process than homosexuality has had. I will change for the world, though. I'll fix myself, and I'm already learning how to defend myself.
Like I'm going to let anyone tell me how to live my life. :P I'll change, yes. The world may not like it, but i'll change.
To avoid the narrow mindedness and hatred of the general public.
N-I-N
1. They can't change.
2. Narrow-mindedness and hatred is the public's flaw; they should have to change because they are in the wrong.
I see.
Going by Theok's logic, even though, it is a minority, then surely God still created that. Thereby, leading to the question, what is, and is not God's creation -- are all abnormalities exempt from being labelled God's creation?
Isn't evolution born from the concept of 'abnormality' when that first mutation occurs?
MetalGear_Ninty
The people themselves are God's creation, but not necessarily the condition they are in. For example, a mentally disabled person is God's creation, but his condition probably came from Earthly sources.
[QUOTE="N-I-N"][QUOTE="Lockedge"]
In the end, no one has a right to tell someone else how to live. No one has the right to take life. Still, so many hate crimes continue against homosexuals and the LGBT community. When I go out at night I shouldn't have to worry about my odds of getting attacked for who I am.
But hey, because I'm not part of the majority, i guess you'd just chalk it up to people seeing me as different and fearing me, and putting the blame on me.
Lockedge
Sorry, thats what people do, its the SAD TRUTH, but it is one we must learn to ACCEPT. If the world wont change to accept you, and you have a problem with that, you must learn to change for the world.
seriously i never thought i would say that, but even i had to do that , just to be able to talk to other human beings.
I've accepted the fact that people will hate me for what I am, and not see me for who I am. The world will gradually come to accept those like me, but it'll be a slower process than homosexuality has had. I will change for the world, though. I'll fix myself, and I'm already learning how to defend myself.
Like I'm going to let anyone tell me how to live my life. :P I'll change, yes. The world may not like it, but i'll change.
If you don't mind me asking... what are you out of LGBT?
[QUOTE="N-I-N"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="N-I-N"]No sir, YOU fail.
I do not want to be a minority in a world ovverun by gays.
Imagine if the straight community were as persecuted at the gay community is now.
and please stop using the word "fail", ill admit you used it in a justifiable context the first time, but the second time it sounded like you just learned the word a few minutes ago and trying to use it as much as you can now that you have learnt it.
Needless to say it sounds very very noobish.
Take that into mind, ye failcake ye.
Funky_Llama
:roll:
If the straight community were a minority (which simply wouldn't happen; only a small percentage of people turn out to be gay and we can't change that) and were persecuted just as the gay community is now, it would be no better and no worse; there's still persecution, just of a different group.
Besides which, that wouldn't mean that homosexuality is immoral, or that God hates gays, so you've completely missed the point.
If your looking at it from a religious aspect...
Adam and Eve not Adam and Paul/THREAD
Yet again, that's the naturalistic fallacy. And just because the first humans were heterosexual doesn't make homosexuality immoral.
Look, if your just going to keep saying "bu bu it doesnt mek it immoralz!" then i could say anything and also say it doesnt have to be natural or "humane" or "moral" because i do not believe in humanity or morals, and have no moral conflicts with rape or pedophilia. would that seem right? ofcourse not! we need naturalistic fallacy and our flawed sense of morality for the world to function as it is functioning now, and not even worse than it already is! If it was Adam and Eve then it was Adam and Eve, leave it at that, stop trying to bend the rules and trying to justify it. We can either have a conserved society where people live in an ordered way, or we can have total chaos as everyone does exactly as they please, because there isnt a true definition of what is "natural" or "moral".
i think i win 8)
Evolution was adapting to changes in environment. It was necessary to survival.I see.
Going by Theok's logic, even though, it is a minority, then surely God still created that. Thereby, leading to the question, what is, and is not God's creation -- are all abnormalities exempt from being labelled God's creation?
Isn't evolution born from the concept of 'abnormality' when that first mutation occurs?
MetalGear_Ninty
I'd say it's more God created humans....but when He made them live on earth...all the imperfections were allowed to develop naturally.....ie medical and physical conditions.
[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="N-I-N"]No sir, YOU fail.
I do not want to be a minority in a world ovverun by gays.
Imagine if the straight community were as persecuted at the gay community is now.
and please stop using the word "fail", ill admit you used it in a justifiable context the first time, but the second time it sounded like you just learned the word a few minutes ago and trying to use it as much as you can now that you have learnt it.
Needless to say it sounds very very noobish.
Take that into mind, ye failcake ye.
N-I-N
:roll:
If the straight community were a minority (which simply wouldn't happen; only a small percentage of people turn out to be gay and we can't change that) and were persecuted just as the gay community is now, it would be no better and no worse; there's still persecution, just of a different group.
Besides which, that wouldn't mean that homosexuality is immoral, or that God hates gays, so you've completely missed the point.
If your looking at it from a religious aspect...
Adam and Eve not Adam and Paul/THREAD
That's nothing but a story specific to one religion, and it doesn't even mean homosexuals = bad in the first place, that's about the worst arguement you could come up with.You really have nothing on your side.
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]I see.
Going by Theok's logic, even though, it is a minority, then surely God still created that. Thereby, leading to the question, what is, and is not God's creation -- are all abnormalities exempt from being labelled God's creation?
Isn't evolution born from the concept of 'abnormality' when that first mutation occurs?
Theokhoth
The people themselves are God's creation, but not necessarily the condition they are in. For example, a mentally disabled person is God's creation, but his condition probably came from Earthly sources.
But didn't God create the 'condition'?
When does something becomes God's creation, and when does it become an 'abnormality'?
[QUOTE="N-I-N"]To avoid the narrow mindedness and hatred of the general public.
Funky_Llama
1. They can't change.
2. Narrow-mindedness and hatred is the public's flaw; they should have to change because they are in the wrong.
So no one wants to change.
Yes i wish the public would change but that is IDEALISM in its most extreme.
If no one will change, then the hate will still be there, and that is that.
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]I see.
Going by Theok's logic, even though, it is a minority, then surely God still created that. Thereby, leading to the question, what is, and is not God's creation -- are all abnormalities exempt from being labelled God's creation?
Isn't evolution born from the concept of 'abnormality' when that first mutation occurs?
MetalGear_Ninty
The people themselves are God's creation, but not necessarily the condition they are in. For example, a mentally disabled person is God's creation, but his condition probably came from Earthly sources.
But didn't God create the 'condition'?
When does something becomes God's creation, and when does it become an 'abnormality'?
When MEN decide it[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="N-I-N"][QUOTE="Lockedge"]
In the end, no one has a right to tell someone else how to live. No one has the right to take life. Still, so many hate crimes continue against homosexuals and the LGBT community. When I go out at night I shouldn't have to worry about my odds of getting attacked for who I am.
But hey, because I'm not part of the majority, i guess you'd just chalk it up to people seeing me as different and fearing me, and putting the blame on me.
Funky_Llama
Sorry, thats what people do, its the SAD TRUTH, but it is one we must learn to ACCEPT. If the world wont change to accept you, and you have a problem with that, you must learn to change for the world.
seriously i never thought i would say that, but even i had to do that , just to be able to talk to other human beings.
I've accepted the fact that people will hate me for what I am, and not see me for who I am. The world will gradually come to accept those like me, but it'll be a slower process than homosexuality has had. I will change for the world, though. I'll fix myself, and I'm already learning how to defend myself.
Like I'm going to let anyone tell me how to live my life. :P I'll change, yes. The world may not like it, but i'll change.
If you don't mind me asking... what are you out of LGBT?
Transsexual, under the Transgender "T".
[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="N-I-N"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="N-I-N"]No sir, YOU fail.
I do not want to be a minority in a world ovverun by gays.
Imagine if the straight community were as persecuted at the gay community is now.
and please stop using the word "fail", ill admit you used it in a justifiable context the first time, but the second time it sounded like you just learned the word a few minutes ago and trying to use it as much as you can now that you have learnt it.
Needless to say it sounds very very noobish.
Take that into mind, ye failcake ye.
N-I-N
:roll:
If the straight community were a minority (which simply wouldn't happen; only a small percentage of people turn out to be gay and we can't change that) and were persecuted just as the gay community is now, it would be no better and no worse; there's still persecution, just of a different group.
Besides which, that wouldn't mean that homosexuality is immoral, or that God hates gays, so you've completely missed the point.
If your looking at it from a religious aspect...
Adam and Eve not Adam and Paul/THREAD
Yet again, that's the naturalistic fallacy. And just because the first humans were heterosexual doesn't make homosexuality immoral.
Look, if your just going to keep saying "bu bu it doesnt mek it immoralz!" then i could say anything and also say it doesnt have to be natural or "humane" or "moral" because i do not believe in humanity or morals, and have no moral conflicts with rape or pedophilia. would that seem right? ofcourse not! we need naturalistic fallacy and our flawed sense of morality for the world to function as it is functioning now, and not even worse than it already is! If it was Adam and Eve then it was Adam and Eve, leave it at that, stop trying to bend the rules and trying to justify it. We can either have a conserved society where people live in an ordered way, or we can have total chaos as everyone does exactly as they please, because there isnt a true definition of what is "natural" or "moral".
i think i win 8)
And therefore, you can no longer claim to be right, given that, by your own admission, your sense of morality is flawed. So actually, you lose - you pretty much just conceded. And with that, I'm off to bed.
So no one wants to change.
Yes i wish the public would change but that is IDEALISM in its most extreme.
If no one will change, then the hate will still be there, and that is that.
N-I-N
It's not that they don't want to it's that they cannot change. Given the choice, I'd want to be straight. Strictly to avoid people like you. But it's not my choice.
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]I see.
Going by Theok's logic, even though, it is a minority, then surely God still created that. Thereby, leading to the question, what is, and is not God's creation -- are all abnormalities exempt from being labelled God's creation?
Isn't evolution born from the concept of 'abnormality' when that first mutation occurs?
MetalGear_Ninty
The people themselves are God's creation, but not necessarily the condition they are in. For example, a mentally disabled person is God's creation, but his condition probably came from Earthly sources.
But didn't God create the 'condition'?
When does something becomes God's creation, and when does it become an 'abnormality'?
See LJ's post. I agree with him.:P
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]Evolution was adapting to changes in environment. It was necessary to survival.I see.
Going by Theok's logic, even though, it is a minority, then surely God still created that. Thereby, leading to the question, what is, and is not God's creation -- are all abnormalities exempt from being labelled God's creation?
Isn't evolution born from the concept of 'abnormality' when that first mutation occurs?
LJS9502_basic
I'd say it's more God created humans....but when He made them live on earth...all the imperfections were allowed to develop naturally.....ie medical and physical conditions.
Again, Isn't God the creator of these medical and physical conditions, why would he create these abnormalities?
I think the difference is, is that you (I think) believe in an evolutionary ideal, whereas I don't believe such a thing exists.
[QUOTE="N-I-N"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="N-I-N"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="N-I-N"]No sir, YOU fail.
I do not want to be a minority in a world ovverun by gays.
Imagine if the straight community were as persecuted at the gay community is now.
and please stop using the word "fail", ill admit you used it in a justifiable context the first time, but the second time it sounded like you just learned the word a few minutes ago and trying to use it as much as you can now that you have learnt it.
Needless to say it sounds very very noobish.
Take that into mind, ye failcake ye.
Funky_Llama
:roll:
If the straight community were a minority (which simply wouldn't happen; only a small percentage of people turn out to be gay and we can't change that) and were persecuted just as the gay community is now, it would be no better and no worse; there's still persecution, just of a different group.
Besides which, that wouldn't mean that homosexuality is immoral, or that God hates gays, so you've completely missed the point.
If your looking at it from a religious aspect...
Adam and Eve not Adam and Paul/THREAD
Yet again, that's the naturalistic fallacy. And just because the first humans were heterosexual doesn't make homosexuality immoral.
Look, if your just going to keep saying "bu bu it doesnt mek it immoralz!" then i could say anything and also say it doesnt have to be natural or "humane" or "moral" because i do not believe in humanity or morals, and have no moral conflicts with rape or pedophilia. would that seem right? ofcourse not! we need naturalistic fallacy and our flawed sense of morality for the world to function as it is functioning now, and not even worse than it already is! If it was Adam and Eve then it was Adam and Eve, leave it at that, stop trying to bend the rules and trying to justify it. We can either have a conserved society where people live in an ordered way, or we can have total chaos as everyone does exactly as they please, because there isnt a true definition of what is "natural" or "moral".
i think i win 8)
And therefore, you can no longer claim to be right, given that, by your own admission, your sense of morality is flawed. So actually, you lose - you pretty much just conceded. And with that, I'm off to bed.
No one wins, everyone has a different sense of morality, you are right in your head, im right in mine, the difference is, i think more people in the world will agree with me than you.
Goodnight Gentlemen its been a pleasure debating with you.
No one wins, everyone has a different sense of morality, you are right in your head, im right in mine, the difference is, i think more people in the world will agree with me than you.
Goodnight Gentlemen its been a pleasure debating with you.
N-I-N
Goodnight, I wish I could say the same about debating with you.
[QUOTE="N-I-N"]No one wins, everyone has a different sense of morality, you are right in your head, im right in mine, the difference is, i think more people in the world will agree with me than you.
Goodnight Gentlemen its been a pleasure debating with you.
Dark_Knight6
Goodnight, I wish I could say the same about debating with you.
I assume you derived some pleasure from the debate, or else you wouldn't have persisted.
[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="N-I-N"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="N-I-N"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="N-I-N"]No sir, YOU fail.
I do not want to be a minority in a world ovverun by gays.
Imagine if the straight community were as persecuted at the gay community is now.
and please stop using the word "fail", ill admit you used it in a justifiable context the first time, but the second time it sounded like you just learned the word a few minutes ago and trying to use it as much as you can now that you have learnt it.
Needless to say it sounds very very noobish.
Take that into mind, ye failcake ye.
N-I-N
:roll:
If the straight community were a minority (which simply wouldn't happen; only a small percentage of people turn out to be gay and we can't change that) and were persecuted just as the gay community is now, it would be no better and no worse; there's still persecution, just of a different group.
Besides which, that wouldn't mean that homosexuality is immoral, or that God hates gays, so you've completely missed the point.
If your looking at it from a religious aspect...
Adam and Eve not Adam and Paul/THREAD
Yet again, that's the naturalistic fallacy. And just because the first humans were heterosexual doesn't make homosexuality immoral.
Look, if your just going to keep saying "bu bu it doesnt mek it immoralz!" then i could say anything and also say it doesnt have to be natural or "humane" or "moral" because i do not believe in humanity or morals, and have no moral conflicts with rape or pedophilia. would that seem right? ofcourse not! we need naturalistic fallacy and our flawed sense of morality for the world to function as it is functioning now, and not even worse than it already is! If it was Adam and Eve then it was Adam and Eve, leave it at that, stop trying to bend the rules and trying to justify it. We can either have a conserved society where people live in an ordered way, or we can have total chaos as everyone does exactly as they please, because there isnt a true definition of what is "natural" or "moral".
i think i win 8)
And therefore, you can no longer claim to be right, given that, by your own admission, your sense of morality is flawed. So actually, you lose - you pretty much just conceded. And with that, I'm off to bed.
No one wins, everyone has a different sense of morality, you are right in your head, im right in mine, the difference is, i think more people in the world will agree with me than you.
Goodnight Gentlemen its been a pleasure debating with you.
The same people who admited are bigoted and ignorant sheep? That's something to be proud of, you have the dregs of the human race on your side.
i've asked my pastor about this before and he basically said this:
that, God sees Homosexuality as a sin. God loves all his creations (including gays) but he cant allow them into the kingdom of heaven unless they've accepted Jesus Christ as their savior and repented for their sins. However, a gay person can say they accept Jesus as their savior and SAY they repent for their sins, you really have to doubt their sincerity when they continue to live a homosexual lifestyle against god's wishes. Basically, you're probly not gonna see many if any gay people in Heaven.
and for anyone that says God created gay people, that isnt true, because you arn't born gay despite what people say. Becoming gay is giving in to the temptations of the devil
Becoming gay is giving in to the temptations of the devil
eyebrowless
See, that's where you went totally downhill for me.
My sexuality switched on its own after about a year of boredom from women. I don't know how or why, but it did. Are you to tell me I was giving in to the Devil's temptations subconsciously?
We won't see any straight people in Heaven, either. Sex will be the last thing on our minds in eternity.
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