does this paradox disprove christianity?

Fact is that no one has yet to disprove Christianity and you can't. Christianity is made in a way so you can't prove it wrong. The only way to prove Christianity wrong is to prove that Jesus had a wife a kid. This would disprove the Bible and then Christianity would be dimminished; however, if your going to do that your evidence must be OVERWHELMING. Too overwhelming that you can't post it on a forum on the internet.Dirijor2841

why couldnt jesus have been marrid and had kids. marriage is a sacred ordinace ordained of god. and jesus is THE ultimate example. so it would make sesne for him to have kids.

[QUOTE="Dirijor2841"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"]

[QUOTE="dipper145"]the bible is just 1 big metaphor meant to inflict good morals upon easily persuaded children. You know... get em while they're young.RiSkyBiZ-13

I'm 22 years old, have always been WAY above my reading level, and still have trouble comprehending the majority of the bible. Have you ever read it? Didn't think so.

Congradulations on your high reading level but the Bible is a pretty straight forward book for any High School Senior. Even young children can be taught the concepts of the morals because the whole point of the Bible. It's like a guideline.

The bible is in no way straight forward. The vast percentage of High School seniors haven't made it halfway through Genesis. Young children can be taught the 10 Commandments in the bible, yes, but that's a drop in the ocean for what the bible holds. Read it sometime, and you'll agree with me. (I'm not trying to provoke an argument here)

I'm not trying to provoke an argument either but I don't like your disrespect. I have read the Bible, Thank You sir. It's ok that you have a different interpretation on the Bible, because your suppose to. We all get different answers and there all correct.

[QUOTE="Dirijor2841"]Fact is that no one has yet to disprove Christianity and you can't. Christianity is made in a way so you can't prove it wrong. The only way to prove Christianity wrong is to prove that Jesus had a wife a kid. This would disprove the Bible and then Christianity would be dimminished; however, if your going to do that your evidence must be OVERWHELMING. Too overwhelming that you can't post it on a forum on the internet.Paper_Knife

why couldnt jesus have been marrid and had kids. marriage is a sacred ordinace ordained of god. and jesus is THE ultimate example. so it would make sesne for him to have kids.

I don't think yoru familar with the Scandal? Read The DaVinci Code. The Story is made-up but the points made are true...

I'm not trying to provoke an argument either but I don't like your disrespect. I have read the Bible, Thank You sir. It's ok that you have a different interpretation on the Bible, because your suppose to. We all get different answers and there all correct.

Dirijor2841

I don't recall disrespecting you in any way, I disagreed with you. And, no disrespect intended, I'm very confident that you've never read the bible. If you did, then you missed a few hundred pages to think that the entire bible and all of it's lessons and stories can be taught to a child. The Holy Bible is one of the deepest, most complicated literary works in history.

[QUOTE="Dirijor2841"]

I'm not trying to provoke an argument either but I don't like your disrespect. I have read the Bible, Thank You sir. It's ok that you have a different interpretation on the Bible, because your suppose to. We all get different answers and there all correct.

RiSkyBiZ-13

I don't recall disrespecting you in any way, I disagreed with you. And, no disrespect intended, I'm very confident that you've never read the bible. If you did, then you missed a few hundred pages to think that the entire bible and all of it's lessons and stories can be taught to a child. The Holy Bible is one of the deepest, most complicated literary works in history.

Never did I say that the purpose of the Bible was to teach children. You have me confuse with the other dude.

And it's quite easy to sit across the internet and be confident.

The bible's purpose is to provide an answer to why we are here. It's an answer. Whether, you believe that it's something more, whether you believe that it's the "most complicated literary works in history." Hey that's great. I respect your opinion. Other people will agree with you but I don't. I think the only way the Bible can be complicated is if people make it that way.

Bible Interpretation: The bible your reading today is in no way close to when it was first written. You can't argue this, as it is a proven FACT that the original language it was written in, contains words that are not even translatable into the english language.Rifkin-

And there is no evidence supporting the existance of a "Jesus Christ" ither, historians never documented him, and the only one that was ever cited for it was proven to be a forgery.Rifkin-

ok, I don't think anyone read this, so I will post it again, whichhas to do with the original topic.

David had a son named Nathan, who had a son named Mattatha, who had a son named Menna, then Melea, then Eliakim, Jonam, Joseph, Judah, Simeon, Levi, Matthat, Jorim, Eliezer, Joshua, Er, Elmadam, Cosam, Addi, Melki, Neri, Shealtiel, Zerubbabel, Rhesa, Joanan Joda, Josech, Semein, Mattathias, Maath, Naggai, Esli, Nahum, Amos, Mattathias, Joseph, Jannai, Melki, Levi, Matthat, then Eli, Followed by Mary!!

I believe this is how it goes.

EDIT: There is also a seperate geneology of Joseph (Mary's husband) that shows he is a descendant of David as well through Soloman. This shows that Jesus was a blood descendant through Mary, and also the adopted descendent through Joseph.

Also many people mistake Mary's lineage for josephs, since, well I can't exactly remember where, there is a passage that refers to Joseph bing Eli's son. This is not the case however as it is also told earlier that Eli had no sons to call his own (meaning no boys), Joseph became the son of eli through Mary.

Comon sense, science, and logic disprove christianity.lucas_kelly

99.9999 percent ofReligion seems to be a mess. The father of the lie and his followers took over religion long ago.

Are all those religious leaders just society members, loyal to the illumanati?

You have to speak to a true master of the faith and knowledge of the biblical if you want to know answers to stuff like that. Your average everyday christian most likely can't delve that deep into the history and meaning of christianity.

Why don't you go speak to a pastor or priest? Or talk to someone at your local theology school.

illogical? do you belive that we were created by one being? just us and nothing else?god didnt create anything. he dosent exist.this earth is inhabited by humans and animals that evolved over millionsof years.hell, we cant even put a line between humans and other animals. humans are animals we are no different.Iantheone

Hell i was born before my mom and dad ever got married and i have never been baptized so i guess even i were to believe in Jesus i would still go to hell.

and if that's how he judges people then jesus can **** off

If there's a god actually up therecondemning innocent people who have no control over how they were born or what there parents decided for them (For me not being baptized) then i don't want to believe in him....ill walk straight into hell laughing at how stupid our god is.

[QUOTE="Rifkin-"]Bible Interpretation: The bible your reading today is in no way close to when it was first written. You can't argue this, as it is a proven FACT that the original language it was written in, contains words that are not even translatable into the english language.ZeRo-ZeN

not true, they were burned during the time of nero and then it was re-written into Roman when Constantine became the Emperor. Christianity was just a way to control the masses back in the days of the Romans, and its stupidly survived into the modern era.

Comon sense, science, and logic disprove christianity.lucas_kelly

Perhaps back up your post with an example? Christianity has never been disproven.

Sweet sig, btw.

Comon sense, science, and logic disprove christianity.lucas_kelly

Nope...they don't. But nice try.

not true, they were burned during the time of nero and then it was re-written into Roman when Constantine became the Emperor. Christianity was just a way to control the masses back in the days of the Romans, and its stupidly survived into the modern era.

Rifkin-

Or the Christians are correct and non believers try any argument to convince themselves.

[QUOTE="lucas_kelly"]Comon sense, science, and logic disprove christianity.LJS9502_basic

Nope...they don't. But nice try.

Yes... they do. But nice thought.

[QUOTE="Rifkin-"]

not true, they were burned during the time of nero and then it was re-written into Roman when Constantine became the Emperor. Christianity was just a way to control the masses back in the days of the Romans, and its stupidly survived into the modern era.

LJS9502_basic

Or Islam is correct, or Hindu.... Its all speculation, you think your right but you don't know anymore than anyone else, the rationality is, if you don't know, why try to make **** up just to comfort yourself... its idiotic.

Or the Christians are correct and non believers try any argument to convince themselves.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="lucas_kelly"]Comon sense, science, and logic disprove christianity.Rifkin-

Nope...they don't. But nice try.

Yes... they do. But nice thought.

[QUOTE="Rifkin-"]

not true, they were burned during the time of nero and then it was re-written into Roman when Constantine became the Emperor. Christianity was just a way to control the masses back in the days of the Romans, and its stupidly survived into the modern era.

LJS9502_basic

Or the Christians are correct and non believers try any argument to convince themselves.

Or Islam is correct, or Hindu.... Its all speculation, you think your right but you don't know anymore than anyone else, the rationality is, if you don't know, why try to make **** up just to comfort yourself... its idiotic.

[QUOTE="Rifkin-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="lucas_kelly"]Comon sense, science, and logic disprove christianity.Ezgam3r

Nope...they don't. But nice try.

Yes... they do. But nice thought.

You guys still on about that one? Its not my job to disprove something that ISN'T PROVEN. First, prove to me Christanity.

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="Rifkin-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="lucas_kelly"]Comon sense, science, and logic disprove christianity.Rifkin-

Nope...they don't. But nice try.

Yes... they do. But nice thought.

You guys still on about that one? Its not my job to disprove something that ISN'T PROVEN. First, prove to me Christanity.

The burden of proof is on your shoulders dude.

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

So, im on stickam right now and I've heard this interesting argument

Jesus was born of a virgin

therefore, he cannot be the messiah because he is not of the house of david

so jesus was the son of joseph

therefore he cannot be the son of god

does this disprove christianity?

Matts07

LOL, no, all it shows is that you dont understand christianity or its beliefs...

someone on stickam brought up that argument and I thought it was quite interesting, but apparently, jesus is a descendant of david through mary

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]illogical? do you belive that we were created by one being? just us and nothing else?god didnt create anything. he dosent exist.this earth is inhabited by humans and animals that evolved over millionsof years.hell, we cant even put a line between humans and other animals. humans are animals we are no different.XileLord

Hell i was born before my mom and dad ever got married and i have never been baptized so i guess even i were to believe in Jesus i would still go to hell.

and if that's how he judges people then jesus can **** off

If there's a god actually up therecondemning innocent people who have no control over how they were born or what there parents decided for them (For me not being baptized) then i don't want to believe in him....ill walk straight into hell laughing at how stupid our god is.

Umm...acyually you would still have the opportunity to go to heavan. According to the bible if yo believe in Jesus you will go to heaven, it does not hold your parentsagainst you. The act of babtism is a symbolic image of cleaning onse sins away, as well as the burial and resurrection of Jesus. It is not required to go to heaven, as the water has no power, but the act of accepting Jesus does. This is a common misconception.

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]illogical? do you belive that we were created by one being? just us and nothing else?god didnt create anything. he dosent exist.this earth is inhabited by humans and animals that evolved over millionsof years.hell, we cant even put a line between humans and other animals. humans are animals we are no different.XileLord

Hell i was born before my mom and dad ever got married and i have never been baptized so i guess even i were to believe in Jesus i would still go to hell.

and if that's how he judges people then jesus can **** off

If there's a god actually up therecondemning innocent people who have no control over how they were born or what there parents decided for them (For me not being baptized) then i don't want to believe in him....ill walk straight into hell laughing at how stupid our god is.

The overwhelming facts weigh in the favor of science. You guys obviously don't think rationally, so why would i bother trying to explain to you? You can't win an argument with a fool, the fool always thinks he's right.

And before you try and turn that around, lets just say, I never claimed to know the truth, I'm telling you all, your faith is ill-founded, don't try to preach to me that your religion is correct, because there are thousands of different religions on this planet, you can't honestly think you have it all figured out.

The overwhelming facts weigh in the favor of science. You guys obviously don't think rationally, so why would i bother trying to explain to you? You can't win an argument with a fool, the fool always thinks he's right.

And before you try and turn that around, lets just say, I never claimed to know the truth, I'm telling you all, your faith is ill-founded, don't try to preach to me that your religion is correct, because there are thousands of different religions on this planet, you can't honestly think you have it all figured out.

Rifkin-

Well...what do you think of my responses then. Have I not tried to think rationally and explain things so other can understand my viewpoint?

Why are people in this forum obsessed with Christianity?Nemme

lol with the mormons you are born going to heavan or hell. there is nothing you can do about it, so whats the point in doing anything good if you cant change the fact you are going to heaven or hell? woo hoo we are free to as much bad as we want and it wont change a THING!

Iantheone

That's not even remotely true. I'm a mormon and I'm going to leave for a mission to Argentina on monday and I can tell you that what you said is so wrong that you must have just made it up on the spot for your own amusement.

[QUOTE="XileLord"]

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]illogical? do you belive that we were created by one being? just us and nothing else?god didnt create anything. he dosent exist.this earth is inhabited by humans and animals that evolved over millionsof years.hell, we cant even put a line between humans and other animals. humans are animals we are no different.Ezgam3r

Hell i was born before my mom and dad ever got married and i have never been baptized so i guess even i were to believe in Jesus i would still go to hell.

and if that's how he judges people then jesus can **** off

If there's a god actually up therecondemning innocent people who have no control over how they were born or what there parents decided for them (For me not being baptized) then i don't want to believe in him....ill walk straight into hell laughing at how stupid our god is.

Repent and believe XileLord, you will be saved

[QUOTE="Nemme"]Why are people in this forum obsessed with Christianity?Blitz_Nemesis

You know I was watching the news the other day, and there was a short story about a small town (can't remember where) that put up an Athiest Tree in the town, since the most of tehm were athiest. I just thought it was interesting:)

The overwhelming facts weigh in the favor of science. You guys obviously don't think rationally, so why would i bother trying to explain to you? You can't win an argument with a fool, the fool always thinks he's right.

And before you try and turn that around, lets just say, I never claimed to know the truth, I'm telling you all, your faith is ill-founded, don't try to preach to me that your religion is correct, because there are thousands of different religions on this planet, you can't honestly think you have it all figured out.

Rifkin-

Anyways, now that you finished your rant, can you get back to providing proof your your assertions instead of using an argument from intellegence and going "BLABLABLA I CAN'T HEAR YOU! BLABLABLA IM RIGHT, YOUR WRONG! BLABLA"?

[QUOTE="XileLord"]

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]illogical? do you belive that we were created by one being? just us and nothing else?god didnt create anything. he dosent exist.this earth is inhabited by humans and animals that evolved over millionsof years.hell, we cant even put a line between humans and other animals. humans are animals we are no different.Sparticus247

Hell i was born before my mom and dad ever got married and i have never been baptized so i guess even i were to believe in Jesus i would still go to hell.

and if that's how he judges people then jesus can **** off

If there's a god actually up therecondemning innocent people who have no control over how they were born or what there parents decided for them (For me not being baptized) then i don't want to believe in him....ill walk straight into hell laughing at how stupid our god is.

Umm...acyually you would still have the opportunity to go to heavan. According to the bible if yo believe in Jesus you will go to heaven, it does not hold your parentsagainst you. The act of babtism is a symbolic image of cleaning onse sins away, as well as the burial and resurrection of Jesus. It is not required to go to heaven, as the water has no power, but the act of accepting Jesus does. This is a common misconception.

depends on who's version you think is the correct one...

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="XileLord"]

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]illogical? do you belive that we were created by one being? just us and nothing else?god didnt create anything. he dosent exist.this earth is inhabited by humans and animals that evolved over millionsof years.hell, we cant even put a line between humans and other animals. humans are animals we are no different.flowdee79

Hell i was born before my mom and dad ever got married and i have never been baptized so i guess even i were to believe in Jesus i would still go to hell.

and if that's how he judges people then jesus can **** off

If there's a god actually up therecondemning innocent people who have no control over how they were born or what there parents decided for them (For me not being baptized) then i don't want to believe in him....ill walk straight into hell laughing at how stupid our god is.

Repent and believe XileLord, you will be saved

you talk as if you know the truth about the religion, but its a truth you cannot.


The fact stands, deep down, no matter what, everyone has a doubt. Even the pope.

Your all Agnostic, holding onto beliefs to comfort yourselves.


What about this idea: What if the world is not created by an intelligent being, and we're just a random process. Your life has no meaning, and when you die, its game over, nothing else.

Why won't you take that idea into consideration? Because it makes you feel uneasy, I don't have a problem with people who need religion to comfort themselves, but don't try to tell me you know any better than the next guy, Because you simply don't...

END OF TOPIC.Rifkin-

No, I have contemplated this as well, and I don't use my faith as a source of comfort because I'm afraid of dying. And I don't mean to sound harsh but can you please try to respond a little more nicely, the tone just seems a little antagonistic? This topic was created to start discussion, not fights

[QUOTE="Sparticus247"][QUOTE="XileLord"]

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]illogical? do you belive that we were created by one being? just us and nothing else?god didnt create anything. he dosent exist.this earth is inhabited by humans and animals that evolved over millionsof years.hell, we cant even put a line between humans and other animals. humans are animals we are no different.comp_atkins

Hell i was born before my mom and dad ever got married and i have never been baptized so i guess even i were to believe in Jesus i would still go to hell.

and if that's how he judges people then jesus can **** off

If there's a god actually up therecondemning innocent people who have no control over how they were born or what there parents decided for them (For me not being baptized) then i don't want to believe in him....ill walk straight into hell laughing at how stupid our god is.

Umm...acyually you would still have the opportunity to go to heavan. According to the bible if yo believe in Jesus you will go to heaven, it does not hold your parentsagainst you. The act of babtism is a symbolic image of cleaning onse sins away, as well as the burial and resurrection of Jesus. It is not required to go to heaven, as the water has no power, but the act of accepting Jesus does. This is a common misconception.

depends on who's version you think is the correct one...

I base this idea on the bible only, I do not use the viewpoints that different denominations have decided as a collective were right and wrong, I just go to the source.

[QUOTE="flowdee79"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="XileLord"]

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]illogical? do you belive that we were created by one being? just us and nothing else?god didnt create anything. he dosent exist.this earth is inhabited by humans and animals that evolved over millionsof years.hell, we cant even put a line between humans and other animals. humans are animals we are no different.Ezgam3r

Hell i was born before my mom and dad ever got married and i have never been baptized so i guess even i were to believe in Jesus i would still go to hell.

and if that's how he judges people then jesus can **** off

If there's a god actually up therecondemning innocent people who have no control over how they were born or what there parents decided for them (For me not being baptized) then i don't want to believe in him....ill walk straight into hell laughing at how stupid our god is.

Repent and believe XileLord, you will be saved

Totally relevant, in fact. He was stressing over going to hell because of not believing in God, and so if he repents (be it in purgatory) he will got to heaven.

Jesus was born from an egg. After all he was a raptor.AGSUser12

This would also prove that the egg came before the chicken since dinosaurs laid eggs.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="Sparticus247"][QUOTE="XileLord"]

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]illogical? do you belive that we were created by one being? just us and nothing else?god didnt create anything. he dosent exist.this earth is inhabited by humans and animals that evolved over millionsof years.hell, we cant even put a line between humans and other animals. humans are animals we are no different.Sparticus247

Hell i was born before my mom and dad ever got married and i have never been baptized so i guess even i were to believe in Jesus i would still go to hell.

and if that's how he judges people then jesus can **** off

If there's a god actually up therecondemning innocent people who have no control over how they were born or what there parents decided for them (For me not being baptized) then i don't want to believe in him....ill walk straight into hell laughing at how stupid our god is.

Umm...acyually you would still have the opportunity to go to heavan. According to the bible if yo believe in Jesus you will go to heaven, it does not hold your parentsagainst you. The act of babtism is a symbolic image of cleaning onse sins away, as well as the burial and resurrection of Jesus. It is not required to go to heaven, as the water has no power, but the act of accepting Jesus does. This is a common misconception.

depends on who's version you think is the correct one...

I base this idea on the bible only, I do not use the viewpoints that different denominations have decided as a collective were right and wrong, I just go to the source.

ahh.. i see.. so you have an original copy of all the books of the bible in thier orginal handwritten form and language? woot.

Or Islam is correct, or Hindu.... Its all speculation, you think your right but you don't know anymore than anyone else, the rationality is, if you don't know, why try to make **** up just to comfort yourself... its idiotic.Rifkin-

One...this thread is not about Islam or Hindu.

Two...you seem to make quite a few assumptions (ie...making things up) about what I believe and why. You are wrong.

I'm just gonna hop in here only reading the first few posts, and not the rest of the discussion...

So, Logic in the beginning says a virgin can't have a child. But, what is so special about Jesus' birth is that he was born to a pure moral woman. Also, he is NOT joseph's son. Joseph was his earthly father, and really wasn't related to Jesus. It's as simple as that.

Oh, and the kid who was talking about mormons (yes, back on page one... too lazy to read) Well, you're wrong. Nothing against you though, most things people say about mormons is false.

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="Rifkin-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="lucas_kelly"]Comon sense, science, and logic disprove christianity.Rifkin-

Nope...they don't. But nice try.

Yes... they do. But nice thought.

You guys still on about that one? Its not my job to disprove something that ISN'T PROVEN. First, prove to me Christanity.

Christians follow Jesus Christ....therefore Christianity is. /thread.