Drone strikes. Whats your opinion

I'm cool with drones.  I'm not cool with us using them to murder people who are so-called terrorists whilst also killing the innocent people around them.

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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]well sure right now they might but even at this point i would probably trust an artificial intelligence routine more to make a split second life or death decision than a sleep deprived infantryman that has seen his friends die and is in some sort of compromised emotional and psysical state.

Riverwolf007

At the moment AI can't even do that.

a decade or two?

Hard to say. But i would estimate 50 years being the absolute max.

I'm cool with drones. I'm not cool with us using them to murder people who are so-called terrorists whilst also killing the innocent people around them.

junglist101

pretty sure we don't do that on purpose.

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I'm cool with drones. I'm not cool with us using them to murder people who are so-called terrorists whilst also killing the innocent people around them.

frannkzappa

pretty sure we don't do that on purpose.

I think they should be used on Americans civilians Lonelynight

It also amuses me when people talk about drones and clearly don't know jack shit about them.

It also amuses me when people talk about drones and clearly don't know jack shit about them.

Lord_Omikron666

And what do you know about drones...that we don't know jack shit about? Enlighten us?

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It also amuses me when people talk about drones and clearly don't know jack shit about them.

--Anna--

And what do you know about drones...that we don't know jack shit about? Enlighten us?

Well, considering it's my job, I know alot that people don't.

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agree with op. Kill terrorists, save americans.

SNIPER4321

drones kill more civillians than "terrorist".

and do u realise that more u use drone. more ppls become terrorist. best solution is stop war.

Pretty good imo. before precision missiles it was like 1:1.

Some of you would have been the biggest whiners in WW2.

I can't wait 'till ground based drones are ready for combat. Some of you already cry alot.

Can't wait for you to cry about that.

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[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]

It also amuses me when people talk about drones and clearly don't know jack shit about them.

Lord_Omikron666

And what do you know about drones...that we don't know jack shit about? Enlighten us?

Well, considering it's my job, I know alot that people don't.

A fellow aeronautical engineer perhaps?

we need more on OT.

I can't wait 'till ground based drones are ready for combat. Some of you already cry alot.

Can't wait for you to cry about that.

MakeMeaSammitch

You mean like this thing?

Man 'Murica is so awesome I get an erection thinking how much better we are.

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I can't wait 'till ground based drones are ready for combat. Some of you already cry alot.

Can't wait for you to cry about that.

PWSteal_Ldpinch

You mean like this thing?

Man 'Murica is so awesome I get an erection thinking how much better we are.

Do you have any idea how awesome that thing is?

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I can't wait 'till ground based drones are ready for combat. Some of you already cry alot.

Can't wait for you to cry about that.

frannkzappa

You mean like this thing?

Man 'Murica is so awesome I get an erection thinking how much better we are.

Do you have any idea how awesome that thing is?

Look at this sh-t:

We can shoot down aircraft with LASERS

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I can't wait 'till ground based drones are ready for combat. Some of you already cry alot.

Can't wait for you to cry about that.

frannkzappa

You mean like this thing?

Man 'Murica is so awesome I get an erection thinking how much better we are.

Do you have any idea how awesome that thing is?

Hope they're ready for combat this decade.

I'd love to see american soilders all on the sidelines just remotely controlling robots, rather than putting their lives at risk.

plus terrorists can't afford them!! So they're just throwing bodies at metal essentially.

So even if they succeed they won't kill anybody. Talk about demoralizing.

Why is the United States so advanced? We draw the most intelligent people on the planet. That's what happened with German scientists after WWII, what continues to happen to this day, and why there are so many asian graduate students at my university Physics department.

I don't like it.  It puts good hard working americans out of work, and makes it so the enemies lose their jobs too.

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[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]

You mean like this thing?

Man 'Murica is so awesome I get an erection thinking how much better we are.

MakeMeaSammitch

Do you have any idea how awesome that thing is?

Hope they're ready for combat this decade.

I'd love to see american soilders all on the sidelines just remotely controlling robots, rather than putting their lives at risk.

plus terrorists can't afford them!! So they're just throwing bodies at metal essentially.

So even if they succeed they won't kill anybody. Talk about demoralizing.

I wonder if they get to go to heaven for killing a BIG DOG lolololo

I oppose them for the same reason I oppose air and missile strikes.  It takes away the risk and makes the decision to attack too simple.  Taking lethal action is supposed to be a difficult decision to make.  The political fallout of headlines screaming "US SOLDIERS DEAD" is an important counter-balance; it helps decision-makers ask themselves if they're really doing the right thing.

Oleg_Huzwog

tbh I have never even considered that view before, but I completely agree.  Being able to perform a standoff attack of some sort without exposing yourself to any sort of physical retalliation (and thus limiting domestic politcal pressure due to casualties) makes things too easy.

Definitely do not think air/missile strikes are as applicable in the current climate as they were in the cold war, i.e. during army vs army conflict, either.

bad? thumbs down? like what's your preference, mate, on MASS MURDER BEING PERPETRATED WITH REMOTE CONTROLLED AERIAL VEHICLES, how do you feel about all that? strike yer fancy or no?

bad? thumbs down? like what's your preference, mate, on MASS MURDER BEING PERPETRATED WITH REMOTE CONTROLLED AERIAL VEHICLES, how do you feel about all that? strike yer fancy or no?

jethrovegas

As long as it's the other guy it sounds great. civilian casualties are super low compared to other methods.

i can't think of anything wrong with them.

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bad? thumbs down? like what's your preference, mate, on MASS MURDER BEING PERPETRATED WITH REMOTE CONTROLLED AERIAL VEHICLES, how do you feel about all that? strike yer fancy or no?

frannkzappa

As long as it's the other guy it sounds great. civilian casualties are super low compared to other methods.

i can't think of anything wrong with them.

They put the enemy out of work, and then their families starve.  Do you like making people starve?

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bad? thumbs down? like what's your preference, mate, on MASS MURDER BEING PERPETRATED WITH REMOTE CONTROLLED AERIAL VEHICLES, how do you feel about all that? strike yer fancy or no?

frannkzappa

As long as it's the other guy it sounds great. civilian casualties are super low compared to other methods.

i can't think of anything wrong with them.

That's what I'm afraid of.

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bad? thumbs down? like what's your preference, mate, on MASS MURDER BEING PERPETRATED WITH REMOTE CONTROLLED AERIAL VEHICLES, how do you feel about all that? strike yer fancy or no?

0rbs

As long as it's the other guy it sounds great. civilian casualties are super low compared to other methods.

i can't think of anything wrong with them.

They put the enemy out of work, and then their families starve.  Do you like making people starve?

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[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

bad? thumbs down? like what's your preference, mate, on MASS MURDER BEING PERPETRATED WITH REMOTE CONTROLLED AERIAL VEHICLES, how do you feel about all that? strike yer fancy or no?

0rbs

As long as it's the other guy it sounds great. civilian casualties are super low compared to other methods.

i can't think of anything wrong with them.

They put the enemy out of work, and then their families starve. Do you like making people starve?

lol, you're funny.

you can stay.

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[QUOTE="Audacitron"]

the operator is killing at no risk to himself.  

Audacitron

The guy dropping JDAM's on mud-huts in his jet isn't in all that much danger either. :roll:

right, because that's such a great example of the kind of perfectly legitimate normal thing that modern civilized democracies have every right to do.

My point still stands.

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[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

bad? thumbs down? like what's your preference, mate, on MASS MURDER BEING PERPETRATED WITH REMOTE CONTROLLED AERIAL VEHICLES, how do you feel about all that? strike yer fancy or no?

jethrovegas

As long as it's the other guy it sounds great. civilian casualties are super low compared to other methods.

i can't think of anything wrong with them.

That's what I'm afraid of.

Whats wrong with killing people in a war? It's a great way for a nation to expand, gain resources, remove threats,jump-start the economy and it even spurs technological advancement (not to mention all this greatly benefits the citizens of the winning nation).

The real question is "whats right with pacifism"?

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As long as it's the other guy it sounds great. civilian casualties are super low compared to other methods.

i can't think of anything wrong with them.

frannkzappa

That's what I'm afraid of.

Whats wrong with killing people in a war? It's a great way for a nation to expand, gain resources, remove threats,jump-start the economy and it even spurs technological advancement (not to mention all this greatly benefits the citizens of the winning nation).

The real question is "whats right with pacifism"?

We should let droves fly people, so we know what it's like in their shoes.

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And what do you know about drones...that we don't know jack shit about? Enlighten us?

frannkzappa

Well, considering it's my job, I know alot that people don't.

A fellow aeronautical engineer perhaps?

we need more on OT.

Not exactly, I'm actually involved with UAV ops, though I do know a bit about aeronautics since I'm around pilots all the time.

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[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]

Well, considering it's my job, I know alot that people don't.

Lord_Omikron666

A fellow aeronautical engineer perhaps?

we need more on OT.

Not exactly, I'm actually involved with UAV ops, though I do know a bit about aeronautics since I'm around pilots all the time.

I actually worked on the team that put hellfires on the predator and worked on the reaper (only for a short time). But i don't work at GA (general atomics) anymore so i don't do much with drones now.

While I am not for violence of any kind in the form of war, I have yet to hear any adequate argument why manned airstrikes are somehow better than unmanned airstrikes.

In fact if unmanned flights were more the norm, most of seal team 6 would be alive right now.

Simple...kill'em where you find them.....no safe havens!  Let me repeat NO Safe-Havens...not in the US, Iran not in China....nowhere.  Just sayin...live with it world!

--Anna--

How about a drone strike on your house if there is one of 'em (whatever that is) in your area?

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why should i care about anywhere else (in terms of war at least)? it's idiotic to want war to be fair. if it was up to me the other guys would have sharpened sticks while we have tanks, that's an ideal situation (except from an economic stand point. the only time i would want an evenly matched war would be to jump start the economy Ala ww1 and ww2.

frannkzappa

well, besides that you should realize how your view is colored by being born on the more advantageous side of this issue, to care about anywhere else is also your only chance for peace, or at least a somewhat peaceful existence. i think being unfair and on a structural basis, amongst other things, creates great frustration which will lead to enemies you can't beat because they can't lose. like the ones we call terrorists that have shown they can pop up anywhere at any time no matter how many drones you let up.

of course i'm biased. It is only natural for the strong to try and impose on the weak (there is a very fine line between this and thrasymachus' fallacy).

Also peace is not ideal. if peace was the norm or the only option, it would be very difficult for us to take what we want from other nations.

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well, besides that you should realize how your view is colored by being born on the more advantageous side of this issue, to care about anywhere else is also your only chance for peace, or at least a somewhat peaceful existence. i think being unfair and on a structural basis, amongst other things, creates great frustration which will lead to enemies you can't beat because they can't lose. like the ones we call terrorists that have shown they can pop up anywhere at any time no matter how many drones you let up.

dramaybaz

of course i'm biased. It is only natural for the strong to try and impose on the weak (there is a very fine line between this and thrasymachus' fallacy).

Also peace is not ideal. if peace was the norm or the only option, it would be very difficult for us to take what we want from other nations.

You have every "right" to, it's only human.

Also i am not "hateful" i just care more about creating a perfect nation state.