Dumped bride tries to jump from 7th-story window...

I don't think anyone's to blame here, more just a sad and unfortunate situation that could have ended tragically but thankfully didn't. Although inadvertently she may have harmed someone else in the process, her intent I assume was only self-harm, which really is quite terrible for the poor lass. Finger wagging and attributing blame I don't think will help anyone, nor would punishment.

poptart

So just out of curiosity, do you believe that emotions absolve one from being to blame for their actions?

I mean, prison is full of people who did stupid stuff because they were feeling angry or desperate.

Like if my fiance left me and married somebody else, I would just kill myself. XilePrincess

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I don't think anyone's to blame here, more just a sad and unfortunate situation that could have ended tragically but thankfully didn't. Although inadvertently she may have harmed someone else in the process, her intent I assume was only self-harm, which really is quite terrible for the poor lass. Finger wagging and attributing blame I don't think will help anyone, nor would punishment.

MrGeezer

So just out of curiosity, do you believe that emotions absolve one from being to blame for their actions?

I mean, prison is full of people who did stupid stuff because they were feeling angry or desperate.

That's a b*****d hard question - I'll have to answer tomorow as I have to go meet a client for a pint. On the face of it I think every situation should be taken on its own merits though - sometimes we should absolve a persons accountability for their actions; sometimes not...

results in them doing questionable things like (for example) attempting suicide over (ultimately) trivial matters.Joshywaa

[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]Like if my fiance left me and married somebody else, I would just kill myself. tratyu92

Yeh, that was a bit concerning to me too.

I'd hate to be the next guy she dates.............................. pressure to get married much?

[QUOTE="tratyu92"][QUOTE="XilePrincess"]Like if my fiance left me and married somebody else, I would just kill myself. raynimrod

Yeh, that was a bit concerning to me too.

does me wanting this to happen make me a bad person?

edit: after a short mental recapitulation i now see that this is bad

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[QUOTE="tratyu92"]:|BiancaDK

Yeh, that was a bit concerning to me too.

does me wanting this to happen make me a bad person?

edit: after a short mental recapitulation i now see that this is bad

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[QUOTE="tratyu92"]:|BiancaDK

Yeh, that was a bit concerning to me too.

does me wanting this to happen make me a bad person?

It makes you a person I think. That part of a person is the same part that makes car accidents impossible to ignore.

YellowOneKinobi

Oh - oh my question was purely rhetorical sir, I was merely expressing my guised disdain for her person. (:

she's a real catch ; D

Suicide... So many thoughts on this issue 1. I think people have a right to death as much as they have a right to life -if someone wants to die, then let them 2. As such, we should not try and prevent it 3. I think this would put an end to one of the most annoying actions (to me)...the person who says that stuff only to get attentionrawsavon

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Suicide... So many thoughts on this issue 1. I think people have a right to death as much as they have a right to life -if someone wants to die, then let them 2. As such, we should not try and prevent it 3. I think this would put an end to one of the most annoying actions (to me)...the person who says that stuff only to get attentionLonelynight

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[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="rawsavon"]Suicide... So many thoughts on this issue 1. I think people have a right to death as much as they have a right to life -if someone wants to die, then let them 2. As such, we should not try and prevent it 3. I think this would put an end to one of the most annoying actions (to me)...the person who says that stuff only to get attentionrawsavon

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surrealnumber5

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rawsavon

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Suicidal people are usually not thinking rationally.Lonelynight

Who are you to determine what is rational though? Does not wanting to live = irrational?

Who are you to say that isirrational?
You are placing your values about what is/is not important onto her
Your values =/= her values
Maybe that was the most important thing in the world to her. Maybe HER life will not be worth living without that
(note: I think that is stupid, but my opinion of what should be important to her is irrelevant)

If she does not want to live, then so be it...I believe that to be a fundamental right.

If you want to argue that she is sick in the head, then that is fine as well.
We do not save nor make an attempt to save every sick person...we let many die.
I would prefer we spent our very limited resources on those that want to live...those trying to get better

I would also like to note that her behavior was very selfish
-DO NOT TRY AND KILL YOURSELF WHERE YOU COULD HURT SOMEONE ELSE/OTHER PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE MESS
-she could have fallen on someone/caused an accident
-someone would have had to clean that s*** up
-just write a note, go out to the counrtyside, and kill yourself

I think that I have already answered the question, but I will again:
-clear the street so as no one else gets hurt and let her die, then charge her post-mortem for the cleanup/cost of the people there...the end

I'm disgusted by some of the replies on this topic.Victorious_Fize

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surrealnumber5

Smart decision by the boyfriend to get out of that relationship.

she's pretty. I would marry her in a heart beat. I wonder who was the moron that dump her

Smart decision by the boyfriend to get out of that relationship.

Oleg_Huzwog

she's pretty. I would marry her in a heart beat. I wonder who was the moron that dump her

narutosup

Who would want to be with someone that would/could commit suicide over this issue?
I can't stand 'normal' clingy girls...do not want

I think she's a lunatic. Like if my fiance left me and married somebody else, I would just kill myself. I wouldn't put on the dress that I was supposed to marry him in and then kill myself. I think she wanted a reaction and news coverage and whether or not she really wanted to die, I think she wanted to create a scene as a **** you kind of thing to her ex. That's the kind of thing scorned 14 year olds do though, not adult women with brains. All she's doing is proving to him that it's a good damn thing he left because she's crazy.XilePrincess

That's a b*****d hard question - I'll have to answer tomorow as I have to go meet a client for a pint. On the face of it I think every situation should be taken on its own merits though - sometimes we should absolve a persons accountability for their actions; sometimes not...

poptart

I'll go ahead and give my two cents. I think that irrational emotional outbursts are a reason, not a defense.

If the groom irrationally dumped the bride out of fear, then that would explain WHY he did it. But he still broke that woman's heart. He would have then done something terrible for perfectly understandable reasons, but that doesn't defend what he did. It's still fair to call the guy a jerk.

Similarly, it's understandable why the bride tried to kill herself, her grief explains why she did it. But that doesn't defend the fact that her actions also very nearly got an innocent bystander killed. It's entirely fair to say that she was acting selfishly and irresponsibly with absolutely no concern for the people around her.

Now, whether or not you're gonna let the person's wrong action slide depends on how proportional it is to their irrational emotional state. I mean, if you break the news to a woman that her husband just died, and then she slaps you, you're probably gonna let that slide. But that DOESN'T mean that she was justified in doing it. It just means you're not going to hold it against her.

Poor girl... now no one is going to want to marry her.MistressMinako

so nothing has changed :lol:

how are those finals going?

[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]I think she's a lunatic. Like if my fiance left me and married somebody else, I would just kill myself. I wouldn't put on the dress that I was supposed to marry him in and then kill myself. I think she wanted a reaction and news coverage and whether or not she really wanted to die, I think she wanted to create a scene as a **** you kind of thing to her ex. That's the kind of thing scorned 14 year olds do though, not adult women with brains. All she's doing is proving to him that it's a good damn thing he left because she's crazy.Ringx55

Poor girl... now no one is going to want to marry her.MistressMinako

[QUOTE="MistressMinako"]Poor girl... now no one is going to want to marry her.surrealnumber5

so nothing has changed :lol:

how are those finals going?

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Who are you to say that isirrational? You are placing your values about what is/is not important onto her Your values =/= her values Maybe that was the most important thing in the world to her. Maybe HER life will not be worth living without that (note: I think that is stupid, but my opinion of what should be important to her is irrelevant) If she does not want to live, then so be it...I believe that to be a fundamental right.Lonelynight

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[QUOTE="MistressMinako"]Poor girl... now no one is going to want to marry her.MistressMinako

so nothing has changed :lol:

how are those finals going?

I still dislike people who try to kill themselves in public....If your going to kill yourself, do it on your own time. Anyway looks like the future husband made the right choice calling it off. This ***** crazy.MgamerBD

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="rawsavon"]Who are you to say that isirrational? You are placing your values about what is/is not important onto her Your values =/= her values Maybe that was the most important thing in the world to her. Maybe HER life will not be worth living without that (note: I think that is stupid, but my opinion of what should be important to her is irrelevant) If she does not want to live, then so be it...I believe that to be a fundamental right.rawsavon

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I still dislike people who try to kill themselves in public....If your going to kill yourself, do it on your own time. Anyway looks like the future husband made the right choice calling it off. This ***** crazy.surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I still dislike people who try to kill themselves in public....If your going to kill yourself, do it on your own time. Anyway looks like the future husband made the right choice calling it off. This ***** crazy.MgamerBD

If you put it that way, then are we not allowed to call someone who is in an insane asylum illogical because in his own mind, he is not?
You said that people should expect council, but how can you give council to someone whom no ones know has a problem? In this case, if the man had not grabbed her, she would've died and had no chance to be given council, but because the man had saved her, she will be given a chance. If she really wanted to kill herself, she would most likely attempt it again, so I see nothing wrong with preventing suicide attempts. Lonelynight

You are making many, many assumptions...too many (that go against documented behavior for people that commit suicide).
1. How do you know she has not talked about this...that no one knew?
2. Almost every suicide has warning signs (documented warning signs in psychology)
-so even if she did not verbalize it, people knew something was wrong

So either she talked about this with someone OR others knew and chose not to talk about it with her

Suiciders do not just decide on the spur of the moment (except in rare, extreme situations).
They are almost always well planned and thought about for a long time
-that is proven by the fact that she chose a public place and what she chose to wear
-she wanted there to be a scene and she chose that attire for a reason

This shows that
1. there was time for people to talk to her
2. she has capable of planning/reasoned thought processes

Poor girl. I'm glad she's alive.

entropyecho

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] she is the perfect kind of crazy to wed, there is no need for a prenup surrealnumber5

*Puts on Suit* Well, I am 21, and she is 22, I think we would make a good match.8) Everyone is invited, except Xaos. Xaos, I need you to Make sure I look yummy:oops:.