Ecuador grants J. Assange asylum despite British threats

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] No the crux of the matter is that bogus accusations can be used to get people of political interest. If he really commited a crime then I hope he pays eventually but given the events around the accusation then I wouldn't trust his sexual acts are the real motivation for all this. In that case his protection takes precedent until he can be assured safety.bozanko

If He is honestly in fear of reprisals to his life, which are currently unfounded.

The best course of action would be to stay in the public eye and go to Sweden prove to the world he has nothing to hide.

If the US was so intent on removing assange an assasination in ecuador is the perfect place to remove him after it all calms down.

As it stands all the claims from Assange when held up to scrutiny appear to point to some one trying to get out of a criminal conviction.

I was actually saying this earlier today when i was out for a couple jars in the sun with mates and we were discussing it, they should let him go and think he's claimed a victory when it all settles a little cash to the Ecuadorian govt and a little execution and nobody will be none the wiser, he's a small fish in a big pond.

Regardless of Ecuador's stance they probably wouldnt mind a bit of cash to grease some wheels to keep it all quiet, despite their white knight attitude right now.

Would save us a lot of taxpayer cash putting a police guard outside the embassy.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="bozanko"]

So the crux of your argument is that a person of political interest , has the right to commit a crime and if he/she is in the prosess of getting caught they have every rights to use conjecture to escape conviction?

Im so glad your not in power.

MrPraline

[QUOTE="bozanko"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] No the crux of the matter is that bogus accusations can be used to get people of political interest. If he really commited a crime then I hope he pays eventually but given the events around the accusation then I wouldn't trust his sexual acts are the real motivation for all this. In that case his protection takes precedent until he can be assured safety.Person0

If He is honestly in fear of reprisals to his life, which are currently unfounded.

The best course of action would be to stay in the public eye and go to Sweden prove to the world he has nothing to hide.

If the US was so intent on removing assange an assasination in ecuador is the perfect place to remove him after it all calms down.

As it stands all the claims from Assange when held up to scrutiny appear to point to some one trying to get out of a criminal conviction.

So not really unfounded.

they may call for it but the current EU extradition laws wont allow his punishment by death if the US did file an extradition request.Its a legally binding part of EU membersip.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="bozanko"]

So the crux of your argument is that a person of political interest , has the right to commit a crime and if he/she is in the prosess of getting caught they have every rights to use conjecture to escape conviction?

Im so glad your not in power.

razgriz_101

thing is these arent bogus accusations.

more tin foil hat brigade behaviour from you again, your naivety and terrible amounts of research on the case show how dimwitted you continue to be on many occasions just like you do in system wars.Seriously if i were you i'd take a step back get a few news websites up from all areas of the spectrum and a little digging on Assange himself who has strangely been in trouble before with hacking in the 90's despite the nature he's no stranger to the wrong side of the law.

He's a charismatic character i give him that, but his followers are amongst the blindest i've seen since the Westboro Baptist Church, they completely fail to look at the broader picture, cant do any tangiable research into extradition and fail to see how the mans a complete hypocrite.

Also the consular law was effectively brought in because of situations like this pertaining to the Libyan embassy incident where a police officer was shot outside from the embassy compound which was on British soil, if they feel its a situation the government will respond accordingly, in my book this is just another small Latin Country trying to emulate Kirchner and Chavez with their Jingoistic sentiment and attitude towards everyon as some form of imperialist or colonist and igore the bigger picture aswell.

The British govt is only wishing to fulfill their agreement which is a legally binding one within the EU and has been stated if Assange were to face any such charges as the death penalty under EU laws he cannot be extradited from an EU country to a country enforcing such a punishment on grounds of human rights which is kinda ironic Assange champions and because of his Sweden extradition case he runs and hides yet fails to even research the treaty's himself properly.

Its all smoke and mirrors, and as for Anonymous getting involved they are just a bunch of shut ins who are easily led by whatever bandwagon seems to appear.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MrPraline"]Agreed 100%. No way the UK would threaten to invade an embassy just to serve somebody to Sweden on a silver platter, who only want him in for " questioning". What a joke. Can't believe not more people see through this.MrPraline

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] No the crux of the matter is that bogus accusations can be used to get people of political interest. If he really commited a crime then I hope he pays eventually but given the events around the accusation then I wouldn't trust his sexual acts are the real motivation for all this. In that case his protection takes precedent until he can be assured safety.bozanko

If He is honestly in fear of reprisals to his life, which are currently unfounded.

The best course of action would be to stay in the public eye and go to Sweden prove to the world he has nothing to hide.

If the US was so intent on removing assange an assasination in ecuador is the perfect place to remove him after it all calms down.

As it stands all the claims from Assange when held up to scrutiny appear to point to some one trying to get out of a criminal conviction.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] No the crux of the matter is that bogus accusations can be used to get people of political interest. If he really commited a crime then I hope he pays eventually but given the events around the accusation then I wouldn't trust his sexual acts are the real motivation for all this. In that case his protection takes precedent until he can be assured safety.kuraimen

thing is these arent bogus accusations.

more tin foil hat brigade behaviour from you again, your naivety and terrible amounts of research on the case show how dimwitted you continue to be on many occasions just like you do in system wars.Seriously if i were you i'd take a step back get a few news websites up from all areas of the spectrum and a little digging on Assange himself who has strangely been in trouble before with hacking in the 90's despite the nature he's no stranger to the wrong side of the law.

He's a charismatic character i give him that, but his followers are amongst the blindest i've seen since the Westboro Baptist Church, they completely fail to look at the broader picture, cant do any tangiable research into extradition and fail to see how the mans a complete hypocrite.

Also the consular law was effectively brought in because of situations like this pertaining to the Libyan embassy incident where a police officer was shot outside from the embassy compound which was on British soil, if they feel its a situation the government will respond accordingly, in my book this is just another small Latin Country trying to emulate Kirchner and Chavez with their Jingoistic sentiment and attitude towards everyon as some form of imperialist or colonist and igore the bigger picture aswell.

The British govt is only wishing to fulfill their agreement which is a legally binding one within the EU and has been stated if Assange were to face any such charges as the death penalty under EU laws he cannot be extradited from an EU country to a country enforcing such a punishment on grounds of human rights which is kinda ironic Assange champions and because of his Sweden extradition case he runs and hides yet fails to even research the treaty's himself properly.

Its all smoke and mirrors, and as for Anonymous getting involved they are just a bunch of shut ins who are easily led by whatever bandwagon seems to appear.

I like how you say i want him dead, all i want to see his him facing up to our laws and see him be punished with the correct power and see justice being served.All i want to see is him actually doing the right thing and not being a complete hypocritical oaf.

Yet again conjure an arguement out of thin air and try and run with it and ultimately end up gettting stopped by your own wild claims.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

thing is these arent bogus accusations.

more tin foil hat brigade behaviour from you again, your naivety and terrible amounts of research on the case show how dimwitted you continue to be on many occasions just like you do in system wars.Seriously if i were you i'd take a step back get a few news websites up from all areas of the spectrum and a little digging on Assange himself who has strangely been in trouble before with hacking in the 90's despite the nature he's no stranger to the wrong side of the law.

He's a charismatic character i give him that, but his followers are amongst the blindest i've seen since the Westboro Baptist Church, they completely fail to look at the broader picture, cant do any tangiable research into extradition and fail to see how the mans a complete hypocrite.

Also the consular law was effectively brought in because of situations like this pertaining to the Libyan embassy incident where a police officer was shot outside from the embassy compound which was on British soil, if they feel its a situation the government will respond accordingly, in my book this is just another small Latin Country trying to emulate Kirchner and Chavez with their Jingoistic sentiment and attitude towards everyon as some form of imperialist or colonist and igore the bigger picture aswell.

The British govt is only wishing to fulfill their agreement which is a legally binding one within the EU and has been stated if Assange were to face any such charges as the death penalty under EU laws he cannot be extradited from an EU country to a country enforcing such a punishment on grounds of human rights which is kinda ironic Assange champions and because of his Sweden extradition case he runs and hides yet fails to even research the treaty's himself properly.

Its all smoke and mirrors, and as for Anonymous getting involved they are just a bunch of shut ins who are easily led by whatever bandwagon seems to appear.

razgriz_101

I like how you say i want him dead, all i want to see his him facing up to our laws and see him be punished with the correct power and see justice being served.All i want to see is him actually doing the right thing and not being a complete hypocritical oaf.

Yet again conjure an arguement out of thin air and try and run with it and ultimately end up gettting stopped by your own wild claims.

But I'm not really surprised how disgusting individuals who know nothing about ethics use the law to back up their putrid minds.kuraimen

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] It is bogus when multiple governments and people (including yourself) want him dead. But I'm not really surprised how disgusting individuals who know nothing about ethics use the law to back up their putrid minds.kuraimen

I like how you say i want him dead, all i want to see his him facing up to our laws and see him be punished with the correct power and see justice being served.All i want to see is him actually doing the right thing and not being a complete hypocritical oaf.

Yet again conjure an arguement out of thin air and try and run with it and ultimately end up gettting stopped by your own wild claims.

thats what we discussed would probably happen further down the line if he did get his safe passage.I never once endorsed it i only said we merely discussed a similar rhetoric to the guy we quoted, and said he's a small fish in a big pond.

Never once did i endorse that i want the man dead, only pointed out discussion of a possible outcome, mind you time and time again you prove yourself to have the brain capacity of the average pet goldfish.

kuraimen

Every thing you seem to come out with is to dismiss facts and look for any reason to discredit European contries and the US as the bad guys.

It seems any story assange and his team come out with , based on conjecture or what ifs / maybe`s seem to be the basis for all the retorts.

Intresting may be the foil hats actualy do work :D

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]But I'm not really surprised how disgusting individuals who know nothing about ethics use the law to back up their putrid minds.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

I like how you say i want him dead, all i want to see his him facing up to our laws and see him be punished with the correct power and see justice being served.All i want to see is him actually doing the right thing and not being a complete hypocritical oaf.

Yet again conjure an arguement out of thin air and try and run with it and ultimately end up gettting stopped by your own wild claims.

razgriz_101

thats what we discussed would probably happen further down the line if he did get his safe passage.I never once endorsed it i only said we merely discussed a similar rhetoric to the guy we quoted, and said he's a small fish in a big pond.

Never once did i endorse that i want the man dead, only pointed out discussion of a possible outcome, mind you time and time again you prove yourself to have the brain capacity of the average pet goldfish.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]But I'm not really surprised how disgusting individuals who know nothing about ethics use the law to back up their putrid minds.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]When has remaining in the public eye ever served as a guarantee to not get assasinated? Most political assasinations have happened inside large crowds.bozanko

Every thing you seem to come out with is to dismiss facts and look for any reason to discredit European contries and the US as the bad guys.

It seems any story assange and his team come out with , based on conjecture or what ifs / maybe`s seem to be the basis for all the retorts.

Intresting may be the foil hats actualy do work :D

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The irony is delicious. Cry ethics while supporting the man who is accused of having none.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="bozanko"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]When has remaining in the public eye ever served as a guarantee to not get assasinated? Most political assasinations have happened inside large crowds.kuraimen

Every thing you seem to come out with is to dismiss facts and look for any reason to discredit European contries and the US as the bad guys.

It seems any story assange and his team come out with , based on conjecture or what ifs / maybe`s seem to be the basis for all the retorts.

Intresting may be the foil hats actualy do work :D

Im curious as to where your from it might explain your silly logic and views.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="bozanko"]

Every thing you seem to come out with is to dismiss facts and look for any reason to discredit European contries and the US as the bad guys.

It seems any story assange and his team come out with , based on conjecture or what ifs / maybe`s seem to be the basis for all the retorts.

Intresting may be the foil hats actualy do work :D

razgriz_101

Im curious as to where your from it might explain your silly logic and views.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

I like how you say i want him dead, all i want to see his him facing up to our laws and see him be punished with the correct power and see justice being served.All i want to see is him actually doing the right thing and not being a complete hypocritical oaf.

Yet again conjure an arguement out of thin air and try and run with it and ultimately end up gettting stopped by your own wild claims.

razgriz_101

thats what we discussed would probably happen further down the line if he did get his safe passage.I never once endorsed it i only said we merely discussed a similar rhetoric to the guy we quoted, and said he's a small fish in a big pond.

Never once did i endorse that i want the man dead, only pointed out discussion of a possible outcome, mind you time and time again you prove yourself to have the brain capacity of the average pet goldfish.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Been there done that with debates with kuraimen in the past. He doesn't get it. I'm not wasting my time with him. It's as simple as that. To have a good discussion/debate one has to have a worthy adversary. That leaves kuraimen out. For f*cks sake....he posts links that undermine his own stances and doesn't get it.

razgriz_101

At the same time arguing with you on here or system wars is like arguing with a mule, your stubborn yet retain the qualities of someone thats niave, got a lot of growing up to do and needs a bit of a smack from the real world.

Half the time you end up undermining your own arguements because you sometimes fail to read your own links or arguements before posting them, oh and not to mention when someone brings proof up like in SW your usual replly is b-b-b--but microsoft especially in a recent topic about silent hill HD port in where instead of blaming Konami for mishandling the port you blame MS and use the fact that its known they have a pay for patching system where patches cost $40k per go yet claim sony does not do the same practices yet pro-actively established a bandware tax on all developer content on the PSN and was proven to enforce these practices aswell.

You arguements need work, its not a matter of ignorance its the fact you are honestly so ignorant, dumb and naive its astounding you ever get by in an arguement sometimes.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="bozanko"]

Every thing you seem to come out with is to dismiss facts and look for any reason to discredit European contries and the US as the bad guys.

It seems any story assange and his team come out with , based on conjecture or what ifs / maybe`s seem to be the basis for all the retorts.

Intresting may be the foil hats actualy do work :D

razgriz_101

Im curious as to where your from it might explain your silly logic and views.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] lol... so you need an adversary worthy enough to answer to your eloquent utterance "lol... apologist". Really LJS your delusions of grandeur are showing.Ace6301

At the same time arguing with you on here or system wars is like arguing with a mule, your stubborn yet retain the qualities of someone thats niave, got a lot of growing up to do and needs a bit of a smack from the real world.

Half the time you end up undermining your own arguements because you sometimes fail to read your own links or arguements before posting them, oh and not to mention when someone brings proof up like in SW your usual replly is b-b-b--but microsoft especially in a recent topic about silent hill HD port in where instead of blaming Konami for mishandling the port you blame MS and use the fact that its known they have a pay for patching system where patches cost $40k per go yet claim sony does not do the same practices yet pro-actively established a bandware tax on all developer content on the PSN and was proven to enforce these practices aswell.

You arguements need work, its not a matter of ignorance its the fact you are honestly so ignorant, dumb and naive its astounding you ever get by in an arguement sometimes.

its where i went toe to toe with him in previous debates, and the same silly logic he uses seems to be applied here.Thats just my personal experience with the poster but he still shows his stupidity in spades on both off topic and on SW.

Well you lie your trust in whatever parties you like. I bet you don't trust the iranian government right? well I don't trust EU or the US government. They have shown time and again how they manipulate and will do terrible things for their own benefits. Hard to trust someone with such a record.kuraimen

27 Contries in the EU and the USA , thats alot of anger you have built up their my friend.

Also some of those 27 are possibly some of the most peaceful contries there are.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] lol... so you need an adversary worthy enough to answer to your eloquent utterance "lol... apologist". Really LJS your delusions of grandeur are showing.Ace6301

At the same time arguing with you on here or system wars is like arguing with a mule, your stubborn yet retain the qualities of someone thats niave, got a lot of growing up to do and needs a bit of a smack from the real world.

Half the time you end up undermining your own arguements because you sometimes fail to read your own links or arguements before posting them, oh and not to mention when someone brings proof up like in SW your usual replly is b-b-b--but microsoft especially in a recent topic about silent hill HD port in where instead of blaming Konami for mishandling the port you blame MS and use the fact that its known they have a pay for patching system where patches cost $40k per go yet claim sony does not do the same practices yet pro-actively established a bandware tax on all developer content on the PSN and was proven to enforce these practices aswell.

You arguements need work, its not a matter of ignorance its the fact you are honestly so ignorant, dumb and naive its astounding you ever get by in an arguement sometimes.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

At the same time arguing with you on here or system wars is like arguing with a mule, your stubborn yet retain the qualities of someone thats niave, got a lot of growing up to do and needs a bit of a smack from the real world.

Half the time you end up undermining your own arguements because you sometimes fail to read your own links or arguements before posting them, oh and not to mention when someone brings proof up like in SW your usual replly is b-b-b--but microsoft especially in a recent topic about silent hill HD port in where instead of blaming Konami for mishandling the port you blame MS and use the fact that its known they have a pay for patching system where patches cost $40k per go yet claim sony does not do the same practices yet pro-actively established a bandware tax on all developer content on the PSN and was proven to enforce these practices aswell.

You arguements need work, its not a matter of ignorance its the fact you are honestly so ignorant, dumb and naive its astounding you ever get by in an arguement sometimes.

razgriz_101

its where i went toe to toe with him in previous debates, and the same silly logic he uses seems to be applied here.Thats just my personal experience with the poster but he still shows his stupidity in spades on both off topic and on SW.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

At the same time arguing with you on here or system wars is like arguing with a mule, your stubborn yet retain the qualities of someone thats niave, got a lot of growing up to do and needs a bit of a smack from the real world.

Half the time you end up undermining your own arguements because you sometimes fail to read your own links or arguements before posting them, oh and not to mention when someone brings proof up like in SW your usual replly is b-b-b--but microsoft especially in a recent topic about silent hill HD port in where instead of blaming Konami for mishandling the port you blame MS and use the fact that its known they have a pay for patching system where patches cost $40k per go yet claim sony does not do the same practices yet pro-actively established a bandware tax on all developer content on the PSN and was proven to enforce these practices aswell.

You arguements need work, its not a matter of ignorance its the fact you are honestly so ignorant, dumb and naive its astounding you ever get by in an arguement sometimes.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Are you seriously using system wars to say someone is a bad debater? I mean there's plenty of evidence that isn't absolutely laughable to use here but you're using system wars.kuraimen

its where i went toe to toe with him in previous debates, and the same silly logic he uses seems to be applied here.Thats just my personal experience with the poster but he still shows his stupidity in spades on both off topic and on SW.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Well you lie your trust in whatever parties you like. I bet you don't trust the iranian government right? well I don't trust EU or the US government. They have shown time and again how they manipulate and will do terrible things for their own benefits. Hard to trust someone with such a record.bozanko

27 Contries in the EU and the USA , thats alot of anger you have built up their my friend.

Also some of those 27 are possibly some of the most peaceful contries there are.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Say what?? you just said this on this page "they should let him go and think he's claimed a victory when it all settles a little cash to the Ecuadorian govt and a little execution and nobody will be none the wiser, he's a small fish in a big pond."kuraimen

thats what we discussed would probably happen further down the line if he did get his safe passage.I never once endorsed it i only said we merely discussed a similar rhetoric to the guy we quoted, and said he's a small fish in a big pond.

Never once did i endorse that i want the man dead, only pointed out discussion of a possible outcome, mind you time and time again you prove yourself to have the brain capacity of the average pet goldfish.

I find it funny your from Costa Rica, a country known for neutrality and honestly a perfect example of how Latin America should develope, on the other hand you happily support Ecuador and their slightly despotic leader who is known for cracking down on free speech slightly ironic considering your home countries ideologies.

I do disregard it as its really not my problem what the CIA does, my problem with him is his hypocrisy and the people like yourself failing to realise he is playing you all for a bunch of complete chumps honestly look at Manning he could be doing a hell of a lot more in activism for him in the past and in the present but nope he just winds idiots like you and Correra up and watches you all go while sitting back laughing.

Personally i dont wish to see anyone dead, but all im saying is he's playing with fire thats far too hot and he doesnt realise it just yet.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

its where i went toe to toe with him in previous debates, and the same silly logic he uses seems to be applied here.Thats just my personal experience with the poster but he still shows his stupidity in spades on both off topic and on SW.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Well you lie your trust in whatever parties you like. I bet you don't trust the iranian government right? well I don't trust EU or the US government. They have shown time and again how they manipulate and will do terrible things for their own benefits. Hard to trust someone with such a record.bozanko

27 Contries in the EU and the USA , thats alot of anger you have built up their my friend.

Also some of those 27 are possibly some of the most peaceful contries there are.

And best laugh is one of THE most peaceful is Sweden...for god sake the Nobel peace prize is named after an inventor of Swedish origin aswell.....

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

thats what we discussed would probably happen further down the line if he did get his safe passage.I never once endorsed it i only said we merely discussed a similar rhetoric to the guy we quoted, and said he's a small fish in a big pond.

Never once did i endorse that i want the man dead, only pointed out discussion of a possible outcome, mind you time and time again you prove yourself to have the brain capacity of the average pet goldfish.

razgriz_101

I find it funny your from Costa Rica, a country known for neutrality and honestly a perfect example of how Latin America should develope, on the other hand you happily support Ecuador and their slightly despotic leader who is known for cracking down on free speech slightly ironic considering your home countries ideologies.

I do disregard it as its really not my problem what the CIA does, my problem with him is his hypocrisy and the people like yourself failing to realise he is playing you all for a bunch of complete chumps honestly look at Manning he could be doing a hell of a lot more in activism for him in the past and in the present but nope he just winds idiots like you and Correra up and watches you all go while sitting back laughing.

Personally i dont wish to see anyone dead, but all im saying is he's playing with fire thats far too hot and he doesnt realise it just yet.

[QUOTE="bozanko"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Well you lie your trust in whatever parties you like. I bet you don't trust the iranian government right? well I don't trust EU or the US government. They have shown time and again how they manipulate and will do terrible things for their own benefits. Hard to trust someone with such a record.razgriz_101

27 Contries in the EU and the USA , thats alot of anger you have built up their my friend.

Also some of those 27 are possibly some of the most peaceful contries there are.

And best laugh is one of THE most peaceful is Sweden...for god sake the Nobel peace prize is named after an inventor of Swedish origin aswell.....

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Lol your post shows a complete disregard about he getting assasinated or not. Your major concern is the impact to taxpayers. Just shows how hypocrite many people like you are. You wouldn't mind if your or other country kills him, your concern is mainly your taxes. Well that's exactly why European and American governments can get away with crap like that, their citizens are just apathic about what their countries do. And you expect others to trust you pfft.kuraimen

I find it funny your from Costa Rica, a country known for neutrality and honestly a perfect example of how Latin America should develope, on the other hand you happily support Ecuador and their slightly despotic leader who is known for cracking down on free speech slightly ironic considering your home countries ideologies.

I do disregard it as its really not my problem what the CIA does, my problem with him is his hypocrisy and the people like yourself failing to realise he is playing you all for a bunch of complete chumps honestly look at Manning he could be doing a hell of a lot more in activism for him in the past and in the present but nope he just winds idiots like you and Correra up and watches you all go while sitting back laughing.

Personally i dont wish to see anyone dead, but all im saying is he's playing with fire thats far too hot and he doesnt realise it just yet.

thats the way of the big bad world get used to it, every country uses their foreign policy to engineer their own stance and influence the world it was particularly apparent during Regan's administration (the era you speak of and most of it was to do with stemming the spread of communism on their doorstep) and Bush's administration aswell.

It's a matter of America doing whats best for them, every country does it on the world stage.At the height of the cold war it was pretty much a tool used for proxy wars and Russia were just as bad as America in many senses places like Panama were proxy wars for them and their foreign policies.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

I find it funny your from Costa Rica, a country known for neutrality and honestly a perfect example of how Latin America should develope, on the other hand you happily support Ecuador and their slightly despotic leader who is known for cracking down on free speech slightly ironic considering your home countries ideologies.

I do disregard it as its really not my problem what the CIA does, my problem with him is his hypocrisy and the people like yourself failing to realise he is playing you all for a bunch of complete chumps honestly look at Manning he could be doing a hell of a lot more in activism for him in the past and in the present but nope he just winds idiots like you and Correra up and watches you all go while sitting back laughing.

Personally i dont wish to see anyone dead, but all im saying is he's playing with fire thats far too hot and he doesnt realise it just yet.

razgriz_101

thats the way of the big bad world get used to it, every country uses their foreign policy to engineer their own stance and influence the world it was particularly apparent during Regan's administration (the era you speak of and most of it was to do with stemming the spread of communism on their doorstep) and Bush's administration aswell.

It's a matter of America doing whats best for them, every country does it on the world stage.At the height of the cold war it was pretty much a tool used for proxy wars and Russia were just as bad as America in many senses places like Panama were proxy wars for them and their foreign policies.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

I find it funny your from Costa Rica, a country known for neutrality and honestly a perfect example of how Latin America should develope, on the other hand you happily support Ecuador and their slightly despotic leader who is known for cracking down on free speech slightly ironic considering your home countries ideologies.

I do disregard it as its really not my problem what the CIA does, my problem with him is his hypocrisy and the people like yourself failing to realise he is playing you all for a bunch of complete chumps honestly look at Manning he could be doing a hell of a lot more in activism for him in the past and in the present but nope he just winds idiots like you and Correra up and watches you all go while sitting back laughing.

Personally i dont wish to see anyone dead, but all im saying is he's playing with fire thats far too hot and he doesnt realise it just yet.

razgriz_101

thats the way of the big bad world get used to it, every country uses their foreign policy to engineer their own stance and influence the world it was particularly apparent during Regan's administration (the era you speak of and most of it was to do with stemming the spread of communism on their doorstep) and Bush's administration aswell.

It's a matter of America doing whats best for them, every country does it on the world stage.At the height of the cold war it was pretty much a tool used for proxy wars and Russia were just as bad as America in many senses places like Panama were proxy wars for them and their foreign policies.

Well whenever something involves the US in their dealings then I see it with suspicion like in this case. And how peaceful they are within doesn't say much about what they do behind the scenes or how they manipulate others. kuraimen

You had better fear iceland then , the worlds number 1 peacful country.

Population of 319,575 and no army .

A real threat to world security :D

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Costa Rica got lucky but we got to see what happened to our neighbors and it was not nice at all. The CIA was involved in many of the atrocities that happened from Guatemala to Nicaragua to Cuba to Panama. That creates distrust want it or not. Besides we didn't get unscathed from external manipulation ourselves but we got it easy in comparison. I find it is much more scandalous what organizations like the CIA do than a guy missing a criminal appointment. It's a guy against a whole country who has worked their international policies using an organization based on manipulation and lies.kuraimen

thats the way of the big bad world get used to it, every country uses their foreign policy to engineer their own stance and influence the world it was particularly apparent during Regan's administration (the era you speak of and most of it was to do with stemming the spread of communism on their doorstep) and Bush's administration aswell.

It's a matter of America doing whats best for them, every country does it on the world stage.At the height of the cold war it was pretty much a tool used for proxy wars and Russia were just as bad as America in many senses places like Panama were proxy wars for them and their foreign policies.

Thing is though, we might not accept it but thats foriegn policy for you it serves to give you power on the world stage and form a stance, me and LJS have said that and Panama is a prime example of this, he who controls the Suez and the Panama canal effectively control the world.The superpowers will always strive to have control of these due to their strategic nature.Im not justifying America's behaviour only saying thats probably why there was involvement in Panama.

Thats world politics, you make yourself big and powerful to serve your own needs any way necesarry, the same can be said for how Ecuador is acting on the world stage currently getting involved in a situation which has nothing to do with them and partially influenced by Assange.Its an exercise for them to use their foreign policy to try and give them a bit more of a voice on the world stage and really their 15min of fame.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Well whenever something involves the US in their dealings then I see it with suspicion like in this case. And how peaceful they are within doesn't say much about what they do behind the scenes or how they manipulate others. bozanko

You had better fear iceland then , the worlds number 1 peacful country.

Population of 319,575 and no army .

A real threat to world security :D

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thats the way of the big bad world get used to it, every country uses their foreign policy to engineer their own stance and influence the world it was particularly apparent during Regan's administration (the era you speak of and most of it was to do with stemming the spread of communism on their doorstep) and Bush's administration aswell.

It's a matter of America doing whats best for them, every country does it on the world stage.At the height of the cold war it was pretty much a tool used for proxy wars and Russia were just as bad as America in many senses places like Panama were proxy wars for them and their foreign policies.

razgriz_101

Thing is though, we might not accept it but thats foriegn policy for you it serves to give you power on the world stage and form a stance, me and LJS have said that and Panama is a prime example of this, he who controls the Suez and the Panama canal effectively control the world.The superpowers will always strive to have control of these due to their strategic nature.Im not justifying America's behaviour only saying thats probably why there was involvement in Panama.

Thats world politics, you make yourself big and powerful to serve your own needs any way necesarry, the same can be said for how Ecuador is acting on the world stage currently getting involved in a situation which has nothing to do with them and partially influenced by Assange.Its an exercise for them to use their foreign policy to try and give them a bit more of a voice on the world stage and really their 15min of fame.

I see your back with your very one interpretation of the truth and not actual factual info again.

Lets make a few points here shall we.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Why about the hypocrisy of the UK government? not only because they threatened to invade the sovereignity of Ecuador an unprecedented action bozanko

The UK government did not Threaten to invade the embassy they pointed out the following :-

"You need to be aware that there is a legal base in the UK, the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987 that would allow us to take actions in order to arrest Mr Assange in the current premises of the Embassy."

"We need to reiterate that we consider the continued use of the diplomatic premises in this way incompatible with the Vienna Convention and unsustainable and we have made clear the serious implications that this has for our diplomatic relations."

that could set a nasty precedent but because they refused to extradite a known human rights violator like Pinochet before.kurimen

Again your own version of the story, refusing to discuss the merits of this case previously in this thread, I suggest you go back and reread.

Pinochet was sent back under international rules regarding his health, yet again you choose to ignore the facts.

how about the hypocrisy of the international community where human rights violators like Kissinger that made deals with military dictatorships get a free passkurimen

Lets be clear Kissinger was alleged , never proved never tried of war crimes, so isnt your defence of Julian Assange just as hypocritical as claiming Kissinger violated human rights?

POT KETTLE BLACK???

while a guy who apparently didn't use a condom to have sex gets persecuted to the point where a foreign government sovereignty is threatened? Tin Foil Kurimen

Reread above yet again you fail to include the full story and facts like most of the garbage you post.

Its typical of your forum discussions to post half a truths to try back up your rabid conspiracy theories.

just goes to show you cannot have a valid discussion with out diluting your argument with waffle, half truths and miss quotes.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Assange is the one who sparked the diplomatic incident. He doesn't want extradited to Sweden to face rape charges. So he creates the smoke screen about the US. Which is pure BS but obviously some people are so stupid they believe that and then agree he shouldn't face his accusers and be tried. As for Kissinger......funny thing about evidence. It doesn't say much if one has not be charged nor convicted.LJS9502_basic

Invading an embassy is a much more serious diplomatic incident. Otherwise all chinese political dissidents in China merit China invading embassies when they seek asylum? Don't be such a hypocrite. "funny thing about evidence. It doesn't say much if one has not be charged nor convicted." Osama bin Laden was never convicted. Does that mean he's innocent dumbass?

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Well if killing innocents, overthrowing democratically elected leaders and manipulating governments is how they look up for their interests then don't expect me to trust them. I wouldn't complain about you trusting Costa Rica if we were there in your country doing all that crap.kuraimen

Thing is though, we might not accept it but thats foriegn policy for you it serves to give you power on the world stage and form a stance, me and LJS have said that and Panama is a prime example of this, he who controls the Suez and the Panama canal effectively control the world.The superpowers will always strive to have control of these due to their strategic nature.Im not justifying America's behaviour only saying thats probably why there was involvement in Panama.

Thats world politics, you make yourself big and powerful to serve your own needs any way necesarry, the same can be said for how Ecuador is acting on the world stage currently getting involved in a situation which has nothing to do with them and partially influenced by Assange.Its an exercise for them to use their foreign policy to try and give them a bit more of a voice on the world stage and really their 15min of fame.

Well the CIA did help asssasinate Trujillo, but he was a total piece of . Ask any dominican about him.