Einstein called bible "pretty childish." Turns out he is pretty smart

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

Well, it certainly is more valuable than someone with a very low IQ. If there was a proof of anything, anyone who wouldn't believe it would be stupid so why are we talking about proofs/evidence?

LJS9502_basic

Nope. In the absence of proof/evidence every opinion is worth the same. I've known people with high IQ's and no common sense. I've known people with high IQ's and no wisdom. I've known people with high IQ's and no education. IQ is good to a point but utterly worthless in this discussion. Second....we're not talking about people with very low IQ's. I'd imagine we're in the normal to high range for discussions sake.

I know, which is why I didn't say anything like Einstein's opinion is more valuable than yours or mine. What I was trying to say was that Einstein was very smart, and I tend to consider smart people's opinion as being more valuable. That doesn't make it true since there are no proofs, but at least it's a smart, well-informed guess.

Maybe you've heard some "smart" people have stupid opinions, but I've heard lots of stupid people with stupid opinions. Nothing to do with religion, though.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]So your judgement of whether or not Einsten was smart, centers mainly on his belief in god? Brilliant :roll:Engrish_Major

Isn't it, though? :D

He wasn't a vegetarian . . . . . :P

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

You didn't answer the question.

What is evidence, and what is proof?

Dracargen

I'll help:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/

You still didn't answer the question. Is it because evidence and proof are the same exact things? Maybe. Let's see what the all-knowing Internet has to say.

Definitions of evidence on the Web:

• attest: provide evidence for; stand as proof of; show by one's behavior, attitude, or external attributes; "His high fever attested to his illness ...
• your basis for belief or disbelief; knowledge on which to base belief; "the evidence that smoking causes lung cancer is very compelling"
• an indication that makes something evident; "his trembling was evidence of his fear"
• testify: provide evidence for; "The blood test showed that he was the father"; "Her behavior testified to her incompetence"
• tell: give evidence; "he was telling on all his former colleague"
• (law) all the means by which any alleged matter of fact whose truth is investigated at judicial trial is established or disproved
  wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Definitions of proof on the Web:

• any factual evidence that helps to establish the truth of something; "if you have any proof for what you say, now is the time to produce it"
• a formal series of statements showing that if one thing is true something else necessarily follows from it
• validation: the act of validating; finding or testing the truth of something
  wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

They are not the same thing. As stated before, you need multiple pieces of evidence, or a really strong piece, in order to provide proof. Evidence is tangible, proof is a concept.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]So your judgement of whether or not Einsten was smart, centers mainly on his belief in god? Brilliant :roll:sonicare

Isn't it, though? :D

He wasn't a vegetarian . . . . . :P

Aah, then maybe I'm just a wee bit smarter... :P

They are not the same thing. As stated before, you need multiple pieces of evidence, or a really strong piece, in order to provide proof. Evidence is tangible, proof is a concept.

Engrish_Major

I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - this is a somewhat new kind of religion.
Albert Einstein

I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil.
Albert Einstein

I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it.
Albert Einstein

It was the experience of mystery - even if mixed with fear - that engendered religion.
Albert Einstein

That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.
Albert Einstein

soren008

Pst....I think you missed the point of the thread.

It doesn't really matter whether or not Einstein believed in god, he was still a brilliant man.The point is that he believed in Spinoza's god, which really isn't god at all.xxDustmanxx

not really. the point the author of the thread is trying to make is that evidently, Einstien knows all and his opinion on religion is fact because he's smarter than us.

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]It doesn't really matter whether or not Einstein believed in god, he was still a brilliant man.The point is that he believed in Spinoza's god, which really isn't god at all.princess1087

not really. the point the author of the thread is trying to make is that evidently, Einstien knows all and his opinion on religion is fact because he's smarter than us.

[QUOTE="soren008"] LJS9502_basic

Pst....I think you missed the point of the thread.

the quotes gives an idea into what he believed ? no?

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]It doesn't really matter whether or not Einstein believed in god, he was still a brilliant man.The point is that he believed in Spinoza's god, which really isn't god at all.princess1087

not really. the point the author of the thread is trying to make is that evidently, Einstien knows all and his opinion on religion is fact because he's smarter than us.

But, isn't it? :D

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="soren008"] soren008

Pst....I think you missed the point of the thread.

the quotes gives an idea into what he believed ? no?

I thought they were relevant.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="soren008"] soren008

Pst....I think you missed the point of the thread.

the quotes gives an idea into what he believed ? no?

His argument is that Einsteins opinion is more valuable.

[QUOTE="soren008"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="soren008"] LJS9502_basic

Pst....I think you missed the point of the thread.

the quotes gives an idea into what he believed ? no?

His argument is that Einsteins opinion is more valuable.

more valuable than who ? everybody?

To be correct....science hasn't provided any proof. So I guess science DOESN'T explain everything.

LJS9502_basic

Science can't provide proof for that which does not exist to begin with. How can they get proof if there's no starting point?

Ontop of that, at least scientists are giving it a go, whereas religious folk have decided they have the answers already even though their beliefs are based on wishful thinking. That's like voluntarily wearing blinders, and refusing to ever take them off. I don't get why a person would want to do that.

more valuable than who ? everybody?

soren008

Well, Einstein and Pedobear. I pretty much take their opinions as fact.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="soren008"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="soren008"] soren008

Pst....I think you missed the point of the thread.

the quotes gives an idea into what he believed ? no?

His argument is that Einsteins opinion is more valuable.

more valuable than who ? everybody?

I think he was initially talking about it being more valuable than any religious leader. I agree because I think that religion blinds people.

[QUOTE="soren008"]

more valuable than who ? everybody?

Engrish_Major

Well, Einstein and Pedobear. I pretty much take their opinions as fact.

i'm afraid I do the same with Soren Kierkegaard & Leonard Cohen

science seems to me to be the most exciting because its evolving as time goes on

religion is a dead end, a boring one at that ..

[QUOTE="soren008"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="soren008"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="soren008"] bloodling

Pst....I think you missed the point of the thread.

the quotes gives an idea into what he believed ? no?

His argument is that Einsteins opinion is more valuable.

more valuable than who ? everybody?

I think he was initially talking about it being more valuable than any religious leader. I agree because I think that religion blinds people.

It most certainly does.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341574,00.html

[QUOTE="bloodling"][QUOTE="soren008"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="soren008"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="soren008"] Truth_Seekr

Pst....I think you missed the point of the thread.

the quotes gives an idea into what he believed ? no?

His argument is that Einsteins opinion is more valuable.

more valuable than who ? everybody?

I think he was initially talking about it being more valuable than any religious leader. I agree because I think that religion blinds people.

It most certainly does.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341574,00.html

They are nuts!

I think he was initially talking about it being more valuable than any religious leader. I agree because I think that religion blinds people.

bloodling

He said everybody though...

It most certainly does.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341574,00.html

Truth_Seekr

Damn, that's sad.

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

I think he was initially talking about it being more valuable than any religious leader. I agree because I think that religion blinds people.

LJS9502_basic

He said everybody though...

No, I said religious leader. From the first page.

No, I said religious leader. From the first page.

Engrish_Major

But your argument went into everyone else because of his IQ...nonetheless...his opinion is no more valid than anyone be they religious or atheist.:)

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

I think he was initially talking about it being more valuable than any religious leader. I agree because I think that religion blinds people.

LJS9502_basic

He said everybody though...

That's just his opinion. He probably doesn't mean that everyone should think that Einstein's opinion is the most valuable, but rather that Einstein's opinion is the most valuable to him.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="bloodling"]

I think he was initially talking about it being more valuable than any religious leader. I agree because I think that religion blinds people.

bloodling

He said everybody though...

That's just his opinion. He probably doesn't mean that everyone should think that Einstein's opinion is the most valuable, but rather that Einstein's opinion is the most valuable to him.

Also I like most of his writings, quotes, and sense of humor. Also I wanted to highlight the irony of the statement that I read about him calling the bible childish and then from that coming to the conclusion that he is smart. I thought it was funny...

That's just his opinion. He probably doesn't mean that everyone should think that Einstein's opinion is the most valuable, but rather that Einstein's opinion is the most valuable to him.

bloodling

That would call for a blog post...not a thread.

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

That's just his opinion. He probably doesn't mean that everyone should think that Einstein's opinion is the most valuable, but rather that Einstein's opinion is the most valuable to him.

LJS9502_basic

That would call for a blog post...not a thread.

I don't know, this turned out to be a pretty successful thread, don't you think?

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

No, I said religious leader. From the first page.

LJS9502_basic

But your argument went into everyone else because of his IQ...nonetheless...his opinion is no more valid than anyone be they religious or atheist.:)

Then this post about opinions is no more valid than anything anyone else has said, as it is an opinion in itself. Correct?

If so, why would you even say so? It's like stripping credibility away from yourself.

Then this post about opinions is no more valid than anything anyone else has said, as it is an opinion in itself. Correct?

If so, why would you even say so? It's like stripping credibility away from yourself.

Deity_Slapper

It would behoove you to read the entire thread first. I differentiated between objective, subjective, informed, and uninformed. Facts, proof and evidence in relation to opinions. He only offered an opinion with no proof as comparable to informed opinions. Now I have some yard work to do. Bye.....

Now I have some yard work to do. Bye.....LJS9502_basic

Yes, please do. :roll:

Wait...who does yard work at 7:00 PM? You said you live in the east right? :lol:

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="bloodling"]

That's just his opinion. He probably doesn't mean that everyone should think that Einstein's opinion is the most valuable, but rather that Einstein's opinion is the most valuable to him.

Engrish_Major

That would call for a blog post...not a thread.

I don't know, this turned out to be a pretty successful thread, don't you think?

if you're proud of yourself for creating a "pretty successful thread", get at it buddy.

and he also invented nuclear weapons. HA! what do you know.mohfrontline

Oppenheimer and the Manhattan project invented nuclear weapons. Einstein invented a new way to harvest energy.

if you're proud of yourself for creating a "pretty successful thread", get at it buddy.

mohfrontline

I am proud. And I did "get at it."

It seems that this thread has been more of a discussion over the semantics of value rather than the actual nature of Einstein's views. Wouldn't discussing the views themselves be more relevant than accusing the TC of having misguided values?bman784

Ive been trying to tell them that he believed in Spinoza's god but i guess nobody cares.

It seems that this thread has been more of a discussion over the semantics of value rather than the actual nature of Einstein's views. Wouldn't discussing the views themselves be more relevant than accusing the TC of having misguided values?bman784

Most definitely!!! However, there are a few that just feel the NEED to correct/question someone elses opinion instead dicussing the topic at hand.

[QUOTE="bman784"]It seems that this thread has been more of a discussion over the semantics of value rather than the actual nature of Einstein's views. Wouldn't discussing the views themselves be more relevant than accusing the TC of having misguided values?xxDustmanxx

Ive been trying to tell them that he believed in Spinoza's god but i guess nobody cares.

[QUOTE="bman784"]It seems that this thread has been more of a discussion over the semantics of value rather than the actual nature of Einstein's views. Wouldn't discussing the views themselves be more relevant than accusing the TC of having misguided values?Truth_Seekr

Most definitely!!! However, there are a few that just feel the NEED to correct/question someone elses opinion instead dicussing the topic at hand.

I guess you didn't notice this thread was about opinion then....

And yes DS I do my yardwork when it's cooler. Got the front done. Thanks for caring.

[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"]

[QUOTE="bman784"]It seems that this thread has been more of a discussion over the semantics of value rather than the actual nature of Einstein's views. Wouldn't discussing the views themselves be more relevant than accusing the TC of having misguided values?LJS9502_basic

Most definitely!!! However, there are a few that just feel the NEED to correct/question someone elses opinion instead dicussing the topic at hand.

I guess you didn't notice this thread was about opinion then....

And yes DS I do my yardwork when it's cooler. Got the front done. Thanks for caring.

lol

Do you have proof that I didn't notice?

lol

Most definitely!!! However, there are a few that just feel the NEED to correct/question someone elses opinion instead dicussing the topic at hand.

lol

Do you have proof that I didn't notice?

lol

Truth_Seekr

Exhibit A bolded above.;)

[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"]

[QUOTE="bman784"]It seems that this thread has been more of a discussion over the semantics of value rather than the actual nature of Einstein's views. Wouldn't discussing the views themselves be more relevant than accusing the TC of having misguided values?LJS9502_basic

Most definitely!!! However, there are a few that just feel the NEED to correct/question someone elses opinion instead dicussing the topic at hand.

I guess you didn't notice this thread was about opinion then....

And yes DS I do my yardwork when it's cooler. Got the front done. Thanks for caring.

Most definitely!!! However, there are a few that just feel the NEED to correct/question someone elses opinion instead dicussing the topic at hand.

lol

Do you have proof that I didn't notice?

lol

Truth_Seekr

Exhibit A bolded above.;)

But the TC posted a new news story detailing the newly revealed religious views of someone who is popularly known by the public as being an extremely intelligent man. While I'm not saying that gives his opinion any more validity, it is recent and it is relevant. People didn't have to suddenly start backpedaling and questioning the validity of the opinion.
bman784

I had higher hopes for you. If you have any doubt as to the reason for this thread....read the topic title over to yourself a few times and then tell me he was concerned with a news item.

[QUOTE="bman784"] But the TC posted a new news story detailing the newly revealed religious views of someone who is popularly known by the public as being an extremely intelligent man. While I'm not saying that gives his opinion any more validity, it is recent and it is relevant. People didn't have to suddenly start backpedaling and questioning the validity of the opinion.
LJS9502_basic

I had higher hopes for you. If you have any doubt as to the reason for this thread....read the topic title over to yourself a few times and then tell me he was concerned with a news item.

I was. I just thought the title would be funny.

[QUOTE="bman784"] But the TC posted a new news story detailing the newly revealed religious views of someone who is popularly known by the public as being an extremely intelligent man. While I'm not saying that gives his opinion any more validity, it is recent and it is relevant. People didn't have to suddenly start backpedaling and questioning the validity of the opinion.
LJS9502_basic

I had higher hopes for you. If you have any doubt as to the reason for this thread....read the topic title over to yourself a few times and then tell me he was concerned with a news item.

[QUOTE="bman784"] But the TC posted a new news story detailing the newly revealed religious views of someone who is popularly known by the public as being an extremely intelligent man. While I'm not saying that gives his opinion any more validity, it is recent and it is relevant. People didn't have to suddenly start backpedaling and questioning the validity of the opinion.
LJS9502_basic

I had higher hopes for you. If you have any doubt as to the reason for this thread....read the topic title over to yourself a few times and then tell me he was concerned with a news item.

If your title isn't catchy or controversial then it tends to get ignored...