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#101 Wetall_basic
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She never said you had to be "attracted" to her. She was simply pointing out the unneccesary rude remarks toward her looks. Courtesy =/= Attraction
_Marisa_


She SAID --"This thread goes to prove that 99% of you guys are shallower than a near-dry puddle of caked-on mud.
Which is also why 99% of you guys are without a relationship. And yet you come here asking for advice. It's nearly ironic isn't it?"--
Which is annoying. I don't care about this girl, but the implication is clearly "If you don't find every girl beautiful, you're a shallow ****".


The rude remarks are stupid, but I'm finding this whole "shallow" concept being thrown around way too much.
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#102 MissRiotmaker
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[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]This thread goes to prove that 99% of you guys are shallower than a near-dry puddle of caked-on mud.GettingTired


Sorry, it's a beauty pagent, not a charity case.

You're right. This isn't a charity case, which is why I shall now spare you the lies and tell you the truth. You are one the ugliest "boys" running around on these forums.

Thanks! Actually, I really don't care. There are things I can't do too. But I accept them and know my roles, like everyone else.

Quit being a hypocrite. You obviously cared enough about looks to have responded twice to this thread.

What does my looks have to do with anything? How is this in any possible way relevant? Honestly. You're calling people shallow for judging a model. The very concept of beauty pagents and modeling is shallow and vain. Yet you judge them for it. I can understand why you would get defensive if they started insulting a random girl for being fat, but the fact that she's a model, she puts herself forth for criticism.

Judging and ridiculing are two completely different things, Pay attention. These people are not judges. They're also not judging. They're ridiculing her for not being your average skinny model.
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#103 Pearl_of_Egypt
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[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]This thread goes to prove that 99% of you guys are shallower than a near-dry puddle of caked-on mud.GettingTired


Sorry, it's a beauty pagent, not a charity case.

You're right. This isn't a charity case, which is why I shall now spare you the lies and tell you the truth. You are one the ugliest "boys" running around on these forums.

Thanks! Actually, I really don't care. There are things I can't do too. But I accept them and know my roles, like everyone else.

Quit being a hypocrite. You obviously cared enough about looks to have responded twice to this thread.

What does my looks have to do with anything? How is this in any possible way relevant? Honestly. You're calling people shallow for judging a model. The very concept of beauty pagents and modeling is shallow and vain. Yet you judge them for it. I can understand why you would get defensive if they started insulting a random girl for being fat, but the fact that she's a model, she puts herself forth for criticism.

criticism =/= immature jokes and insults

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#104 MissRiotmaker
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[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]

She never said you had to be "attracted" to her. She was simply pointing out the unneccesary rude remarks toward her looks. Courtesy =/= Attraction
Wetall_basic


She SAID --"This thread goes to prove that 99% of you guys are shallower than a near-dry puddle of caked-on mud.
Which is also why 99% of you guys are without a relationship. And yet you come here asking for advice. It's nearly ironic isn't it?"--
Which is annoying. I don't care about this girl, but the implication is clearly "If you don't find every girl beautiful, you're a shallow ****".


The rude remarks are stupid, but I'm finding this whole "shallow" concept being thrown around way too much.

Exactly. Saying things like "I almost puked when I looked at her" "She's not that good-looking" "Stay away from the camera" etcetera are reason why the vast majority of the guys here don't have existing relationships. And they come to this forum asking for advice. Here's some advice. Show some damn consideration and respect.
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#105 GettingTired
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[QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]This thread goes to prove that 99% of you guys are shallower than a near-dry puddle of caked-on mud.Pearl_of_Egypt


Sorry, it's a beauty pagent, not a charity case.

You're right. This isn't a charity case, which is why I shall now spare you the lies and tell you the truth. You are one the ugliest "boys" running around on these forums.

Thanks! Actually, I really don't care. There are things I can't do too. But I accept them and know my roles, like everyone else.

Quit being a hypocrite. You obviously cared enough about looks to have responded twice to this thread.

What does my looks have to do with anything? How is this in any possible way relevant? Honestly. You're calling people shallow for judging a model. The very concept of beauty pagents and modeling is shallow and vain. Yet you judge them for it. I can understand why you would get defensive if they started insulting a random girl for being fat, but the fact that she's a model, she puts herself forth for criticism.

criticism =/= immature jokes and insults


I actually disagree with that. Criticism is often the heart of jokes and insults.
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Kudos to her for not being taken in by the media and being herself. She is quite attractive.
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#107 GettingTired
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[QUOTE="Wetall_basic"][QUOTE="_Marisa_"]

She never said you had to be "attracted" to her. She was simply pointing out the unneccesary rude remarks toward her looks. Courtesy =/= Attraction
MissRiotmaker


She SAID --"This thread goes to prove that 99% of you guys are shallower than a near-dry puddle of caked-on mud.
Which is also why 99% of you guys are without a relationship. And yet you come here asking for advice. It's nearly ironic isn't it?"--
Which is annoying. I don't care about this girl, but the implication is clearly "If you don't find every girl beautiful, you're a shallow ****".


The rude remarks are stupid, but I'm finding this whole "shallow" concept being thrown around way too much.

Exactly. Saying things like "I almost puked when I looked at her" "She's not that good-looking" "Stay away from the camera" etcetera are reason why the vast majority of the guys here don't have existing relationships. And they come to this forum asking for advice. Here's some advice. Show some damn consideration and respect.


What exactly does that have to do with relationships?
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I actually disagree with that. Criticism is often the heart of jokes and insults.
GettingTired

I don't think criticism fuels jokes and insults, I rather think that insecurity does.

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#109 wrlyy
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Kudos to her for not being taken in by the media and being herself. She is quite attractive.foxhound_fox

You are as deep as the ocean itself.
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#110 Pearl_of_Egypt
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[QUOTE="Pearl_of_Egypt"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]This thread goes to prove that 99% of you guys are shallower than a near-dry puddle of caked-on mud.GettingTired


Sorry, it's a beauty pagent, not a charity case.

You're right. This isn't a charity case, which is why I shall now spare you the lies and tell you the truth. You are one the ugliest "boys" running around on these forums.

Thanks! Actually, I really don't care. There are things I can't do too. But I accept them and know my roles, like everyone else.

Quit being a hypocrite. You obviously cared enough about looks to have responded twice to this thread.

What does my looks have to do with anything? How is this in any possible way relevant? Honestly. You're calling people shallow for judging a model. The very concept of beauty pagents and modeling is shallow and vain. Yet you judge them for it. I can understand why you would get defensive if they started insulting a random girl for being fat, but the fact that she's a model, she puts herself forth for criticism.

criticism =/= immature jokes and insults


I actually disagree with that. Criticism is often the heart of jokes and insults.

no, you can criticize without resulting to jokes and insults. some people in the thread did that. jokes and insults are just the heart of insecurity, which feeds the need to belittle people in order to feel better about oneself.

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#111 Pearl_of_Egypt
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[QUOTE="GettingTired"]
I actually disagree with that. Criticism is often the heart of jokes and insults.
QuebecSuperstar

I don't think criticism fuels jokes and insults, I rather think that insecurity does.

haha we thought the same thing :D

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#112 GettingTired
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[QUOTE="GettingTired"]
I actually disagree with that. Criticism is often the heart of jokes and insults.
QuebecSuperstar

I don't think criticism fuels jokes and insults, I rather think that insecurity does.


I never really understood that saying. Some of the biggest jackasses I know are quite confident in themselves. If anything, the exact opposite is true.
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[QUOTE="Pearl_of_Egypt"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]This thread goes to prove that 99% of you guys are shallower than a near-dry puddle of caked-on mud.GettingTired


Sorry, it's a beauty pagent, not a charity case.

You're right. This isn't a charity case, which is why I shall now spare you the lies and tell you the truth. You are one the ugliest "boys" running around on these forums.

Thanks! Actually, I really don't care. There are things I can't do too. But I accept them and know my roles, like everyone else.

Quit being a hypocrite. You obviously cared enough about looks to have responded twice to this thread.

What does my looks have to do with anything? How is this in any possible way relevant? Honestly. You're calling people shallow for judging a model. The very concept of beauty pagents and modeling is shallow and vain. Yet you judge them for it. I can understand why you would get defensive if they started insulting a random girl for being fat, but the fact that she's a model, she puts herself forth for criticism.

criticism =/= immature jokes and insults


I actually disagree with that. Criticism is often the heart of jokes and insults.

Immature and stupid jokes are not criticism. They are just really hurtful things that people feel the need to post because they think that they are funny. You can criticize someone in a manner that is not insulting to the individual.

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#114 foxhound_fox
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You are as deep as the ocean itself.wrlyy

When required, I can be deeper. 8)
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#115 GettingTired
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[QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="Pearl_of_Egypt"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]This thread goes to prove that 99% of you guys are shallower than a near-dry puddle of caked-on mud.pintabear49blue


Sorry, it's a beauty pagent, not a charity case.

You're right. This isn't a charity case, which is why I shall now spare you the lies and tell you the truth. You are one the ugliest "boys" running around on these forums.

Thanks! Actually, I really don't care. There are things I can't do too. But I accept them and know my roles, like everyone else.

Quit being a hypocrite. You obviously cared enough about looks to have responded twice to this thread.

What does my looks have to do with anything? How is this in any possible way relevant? Honestly. You're calling people shallow for judging a model. The very concept of beauty pagents and modeling is shallow and vain. Yet you judge them for it. I can understand why you would get defensive if they started insulting a random girl for being fat, but the fact that she's a model, she puts herself forth for criticism.

criticism =/= immature jokes and insults


I actually disagree with that. Criticism is often the heart of jokes and insults.

Immature and stupid jokes are not criticism. They are just really hurtful things that people feel the need to post because they think that they are funny. You can criticize someone in a manner that is not insulting to the individual.


Oh, but I never once stated that one can only criticize by joking.
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#116 C-Himura
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[QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="Pearl_of_Egypt"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]This thread goes to prove that 99% of you guys are shallower than a near-dry puddle of caked-on mud.Pearl_of_Egypt


Sorry, it's a beauty pagent, not a charity case.

You're right. This isn't a charity case, which is why I shall now spare you the lies and tell you the truth. You are one the ugliest "boys" running around on these forums.

Thanks! Actually, I really don't care. There are things I can't do too. But I accept them and know my roles, like everyone else.

Quit being a hypocrite. You obviously cared enough about looks to have responded twice to this thread.

What does my looks have to do with anything? How is this in any possible way relevant? Honestly. You're calling people shallow for judging a model. The very concept of beauty pagents and modeling is shallow and vain. Yet you judge them for it. I can understand why you would get defensive if they started insulting a random girl for being fat, but the fact that she's a model, she puts herself forth for criticism.

criticism =/= immature jokes and insults


I actually disagree with that. Criticism is often the heart of jokes and insults.

no, you can criticize without resulting to jokes and insults. some people in the thread did that. jokes and insults are just the heart of insecurity, which feeds the need to belittle people in order to feel better about oneself.

I agree with what Pearl says about criticism.

And adding this tid-bit myself, since when is real beauty measured by the size of your dress? Real beauty is not something as shallow as that. And she is a person, just like you and me, she has all the right to do what she wants and what she believes will make her happy.

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#117 Pearl_of_Egypt
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[QUOTE="QuebecSuperstar"]

[QUOTE="GettingTired"]
I actually disagree with that. Criticism is often the heart of jokes and insults.
GettingTired

I don't think criticism fuels jokes and insults, I rather think that insecurity does.


I never really understood that saying. Some of the biggest jackasses I know are quite confident in themselves. If anything, the exact opposite is true.

just because they act confident doesn't mean they really are.

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#118 GettingTired
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[QUOTE="Pearl_of_Egypt"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="Pearl_of_Egypt"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]This thread goes to prove that 99% of you guys are shallower than a near-dry puddle of caked-on mud.C-Himura


Sorry, it's a beauty pagent, not a charity case.

You're right. This isn't a charity case, which is why I shall now spare you the lies and tell you the truth. You are one the ugliest "boys" running around on these forums.

Thanks! Actually, I really don't care. There are things I can't do too. But I accept them and know my roles, like everyone else.

Quit being a hypocrite. You obviously cared enough about looks to have responded twice to this thread.

What does my looks have to do with anything? How is this in any possible way relevant? Honestly. You're calling people shallow for judging a model. The very concept of beauty pagents and modeling is shallow and vain. Yet you judge them for it. I can understand why you would get defensive if they started insulting a random girl for being fat, but the fact that she's a model, she puts herself forth for criticism.

criticism =/= immature jokes and insults


I actually disagree with that. Criticism is often the heart of jokes and insults.

no, you can criticize without resulting to jokes and insults. some people in the thread did that. jokes and insults are just the heart of insecurity, which feeds the need to belittle people in order to feel better about oneself.

I agree with what Pearl says about criticism.

And adding this tid-bit myself, since when is real beauty measured by the size of your dress? Real beauty is not something as shallow as that. And she is a person, just like you and me, she has all the right to do what she wants and what she believes will make her happy.


Beauty pagents are shallow by nature. That's the whole point of a beauty pagent. I'm sure she didn't decide to become a model because she thought she had a great personality, she did it because she was vain and conceited, like all models are.
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#119 elblanquito_81
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[QUOTE="QuebecSuperstar"]

[QUOTE="GettingTired"]
I actually disagree with that. Criticism is often the heart of jokes and insults.
GettingTired

I don't think criticism fuels jokes and insults, I rather think that insecurity does.


I never really understood that saying. Some of the biggest jackasses I know are quite confident in themselves. If anything, the exact opposite is true.

How do you know they are truly confident? Someone can act like they have all the confidence in the world but deep down inside they can feel like they're as worthless as a piece of lint.
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[QUOTE="pintabear49blue"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="Pearl_of_Egypt"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]This thread goes to prove that 99% of you guys are shallower than a near-dry puddle of caked-on mud.GettingTired


Sorry, it's a beauty pagent, not a charity case.

You're right. This isn't a charity case, which is why I shall now spare you the lies and tell you the truth. You are one the ugliest "boys" running around on these forums.

Thanks! Actually, I really don't care. There are things I can't do too. But I accept them and know my roles, like everyone else.

Quit being a hypocrite. You obviously cared enough about looks to have responded twice to this thread.

What does my looks have to do with anything? How is this in any possible way relevant? Honestly. You're calling people shallow for judging a model. The very concept of beauty pagents and modeling is shallow and vain. Yet you judge them for it. I can understand why you would get defensive if they started insulting a random girl for being fat, but the fact that she's a model, she puts herself forth for criticism.

criticism =/= immature jokes and insults


I actually disagree with that. Criticism is often the heart of jokes and insults.

Immature and stupid jokes are not criticism. They are just really hurtful things that people feel the need to post because they think that they are funny. You can criticize someone in a manner that is not insulting to the individual.


Oh, but I never once stated that one can only criticize by joking.

I did not say that you did. Sorry if it sounded like that. But I do not consider cruel jokes and insults as a form of criticism or at least constructive criticism.

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#121 _Marisa_
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[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]This thread goes to prove that 99% of you guys are shallower than a near-dry puddle of caked-on mud.GettingTired


Sorry, it's a beauty pagent, not a charity case.

You're right. This isn't a charity case, which is why I shall now spare you the lies and tell you the truth. You are one the ugliest "boys" running around on these forums.

Thanks! Actually, I really don't care. There are things I can't do too. But I accept them and know my roles, like everyone else.

Quit being a hypocrite. You obviously cared enough about looks to have responded twice to this thread.

What does my looks have to do with anything? How is this in any possible way relevant? Honestly. You're calling people shallow for judging a model. The very concept of beauty pagents and modeling is shallow and vain. Yet you judge them for it. I can understand why you would get defensive if they started insulting a random girl for being fat, but the fact that she's a model, she puts herself forth for criticism.



Actually, no. That's not the reason beauty contests were invented. You may try doing some research. They were invented to strengthen women back during a time when they were expected to stay at home and clean. There were school scholarships offered, money and a number of gifts to help a woman better her life. The general idea of a "beauty contest" was meant to find the beauty in a woman, mostly the inner beauty. Beauty contests have never been based soley on looks. They must be a well-rounded, kind human being in order to win. Which is clearly why they have picked the woman they have. Did you ever consider that she had a sparkle the others didn't? No, I'm sure you didn't.
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#122 pintabear49blue
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[QUOTE="C-Himura"][QUOTE="Pearl_of_Egypt"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="Pearl_of_Egypt"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]This thread goes to prove that 99% of you guys are shallower than a near-dry puddle of caked-on mud.GettingTired


Sorry, it's a beauty pagent, not a charity case.

You're right. This isn't a charity case, which is why I shall now spare you the lies and tell you the truth. You are one the ugliest "boys" running around on these forums.

Thanks! Actually, I really don't care. There are things I can't do too. But I accept them and know my roles, like everyone else.

Quit being a hypocrite. You obviously cared enough about looks to have responded twice to this thread.

What does my looks have to do with anything? How is this in any possible way relevant? Honestly. You're calling people shallow for judging a model. The very concept of beauty pagents and modeling is shallow and vain. Yet you judge them for it. I can understand why you would get defensive if they started insulting a random girl for being fat, but the fact that she's a model, she puts herself forth for criticism.

criticism =/= immature jokes and insults


I actually disagree with that. Criticism is often the heart of jokes and insults.

no, you can criticize without resulting to jokes and insults. some people in the thread did that. jokes and insults are just the heart of insecurity, which feeds the need to belittle people in order to feel better about oneself.

I agree with what Pearl says about criticism.

And adding this tid-bit myself, since when is real beauty measured by the size of your dress? Real beauty is not something as shallow as that. And she is a person, just like you and me, she has all the right to do what she wants and what she believes will make her happy.


Beauty pagents are shallow by nature. That's the whole point of a beauty pagent. I'm sure she didn't decide to become a model because she thought she had a great personality, she did it because she was vain and conceited, like all models are.

Now you are stereotyping people and judging her unfairly.

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Beauty pagents are shallow by nature. That's the whole point of a beauty pagent. I'm sure she didn't decide to become a model because she thought she had a great personality, she did it because she was vain and conceited, like all models are.
GettingTired

You've met all these models personally and know how shallow they are? Who are you to call someone shallow when you don't know them?:roll:

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#124 GettingTired
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[QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]This thread goes to prove that 99% of you guys are shallower than a near-dry puddle of caked-on mud._Marisa_


Sorry, it's a beauty pagent, not a charity case.

You're right. This isn't a charity case, which is why I shall now spare you the lies and tell you the truth. You are one the ugliest "boys" running around on these forums.

Thanks! Actually, I really don't care. There are things I can't do too. But I accept them and know my roles, like everyone else.

Quit being a hypocrite. You obviously cared enough about looks to have responded twice to this thread.

What does my looks have to do with anything? How is this in any possible way relevant? Honestly. You're calling people shallow for judging a model. The very concept of beauty pagents and modeling is shallow and vain. Yet you judge them for it. I can understand why you would get defensive if they started insulting a random girl for being fat, but the fact that she's a model, she puts herself forth for criticism.



Actually, no. That's not the reason beauty contests were invented. You may try doing some research. They were invented to strengthen women back during a time when they were expected to stay at home and clean. There were school scholarships offered, money and a number of gifts to help a woman better her life. The general idea of a "beauty contest" was meant to find the beauty in a woman, mostly the inner beauty. Beauty contests have never been based soley on looks. They must be a well-rounded, kind human being in order to win. Which is clearly why they have picked the woman they have. Did you ever consider that she had a sparkle the others didn't? No, I'm sure you didn't.


You're right, it isn't about looks, which is why they flaunt women on stage in bikinis :lol:.

It must also be why models rarely have bulimia, and why all the contestants in the Miss USA pagents have facial blemishes.

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I never really understood that saying. Some of the biggest jackasses I know are quite confident in themselves. If anything, the exact opposite is true.
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If you (not you specifically, a "general" you") are so confident, why would you need to belittle anyone? Because there's a difference between "I'm not attracted to this girl" and "She's ugly as s*** Belittling starts when you add humiliation to your opinion or feeling. Comparing a person's look with s*** (for example) doesn't reflect an opinion, not finding someone particularily attractive does. Therefore, if you need to besmirch people when commenting on their looks/personality/whatever, you don't come accross as being confident. If you were, you wouldn't need to do so.

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[QUOTE="GettingTired"]
Beauty pagents are shallow by nature. That's the whole point of a beauty pagent. I'm sure she didn't decide to become a model because she thought she had a great personality, she did it because she was vain and conceited, like all models are.
C-Himura

You've met all these models personally and know how shallow they are? Who are you to call someone shallow when you don't know them?:roll:

You're right, we clearly can't conclude that someone isn't conceited because they've convinced themselves that everyone wants to look at them in a bikini, and that they can win because they look that much better than everyone else.

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[QUOTE="QuebecSuperstar"]

[QUOTE="GettingTired"]
I actually disagree with that. Criticism is often the heart of jokes and insults.
Pearl_of_Egypt

I don't think criticism fuels jokes and insults, I rather think that insecurity does.

haha we thought the same thing :D

Great minds think alike! :)

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[QUOTE="Wetall_basic"][QUOTE="_Marisa_"]

She never said you had to be "attracted" to her. She was simply pointing out the unneccesary rude remarks toward her looks. Courtesy =/= Attraction
MissRiotmaker


She SAID --"This thread goes to prove that 99% of you guys are shallower than a near-dry puddle of caked-on mud.
Which is also why 99% of you guys are without a relationship. And yet you come here asking for advice. It's nearly ironic isn't it?"--
Which is annoying. I don't care about this girl, but the implication is clearly "If you don't find every girl beautiful, you're a shallow ****".


The rude remarks are stupid, but I'm finding this whole "shallow" concept being thrown around way too much.

Exactly. Saying things like "I almost puked when I looked at her" "She's not that good-looking" "Stay away from the camera" etcetera are reason why the vast majority of the guys here don't have existing relationships. And they come to this forum asking for advice. Here's some advice. Show some damn consideration and respect.



Respect is one thing, it's another to try and tell everyone how they should find this girl or every girl for that matter, beautiful. It's idiotic to insulate that because everyone isn't into the same characteristics in a woman as you are, they are shallow.

I'm sick and tired of women telling me how I should respect and love every ****ing women in the world. I don't. Some women are, to me, more attractive than others! It's personal preference to every individual.

These stupid and rude comments come from people who don't find this type of girl attractive, your insults are generated at everyone who says anything against her. You see? I dislike being called shallow because she's not my type of girl.

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#129 GettingTired
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[QUOTE="GettingTired"]
I never really understood that saying. Some of the biggest jackasses I know are quite confident in themselves. If anything, the exact opposite is true.
QuebecSuperstar

If you (not you specifically, a "general" you") are so confident, why would you need to belittle anyone? Because there's a difference between "I'm not attracted to this girl" and "She's ugly as s*** Belittling starts when you add humiliation to your opinion or feeling. Comparing a person's look with s*** (for example) doesn't reflect an opinion, not finding someone particularily attractive does. Therefore, if you need to besmirch people when commenting on their looks/personality/whatever, you don't come accross as being confident. If you were, you wouldn't need to do so.

I don't claim to know the reasoning behind why people criticize others. I'm merely stating my observations. The "insecure" theory doesn't quite add up.

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I think she's hot. It's nice to have a little something to hold on to when you hug. :oops:
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#131 _Marisa_
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[QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]This thread goes to prove that 99% of you guys are shallower than a near-dry puddle of caked-on mud.GettingTired


Sorry, it's a beauty pagent, not a charity case.

You're right. This isn't a charity case, which is why I shall now spare you the lies and tell you the truth. You are one the ugliest "boys" running around on these forums.

Thanks! Actually, I really don't care. There are things I can't do too. But I accept them and know my roles, like everyone else.

Quit being a hypocrite. You obviously cared enough about looks to have responded twice to this thread.

What does my looks have to do with anything? How is this in any possible way relevant? Honestly. You're calling people shallow for judging a model. The very concept of beauty pagents and modeling is shallow and vain. Yet you judge them for it. I can understand why you would get defensive if they started insulting a random girl for being fat, but the fact that she's a model, she puts herself forth for criticism.



Actually, no. That's not the reason beauty contests were invented. You may try doing some research. They were invented to strengthen women back during a time when they were expected to stay at home and clean. There were school scholarships offered, money and a number of gifts to help a woman better her life. The general idea of a "beauty contest" was meant to find the beauty in a woman, mostly the inner beauty. Beauty contests have never been based soley on looks. They must be a well-rounded, kind human being in order to win. Which is clearly why they have picked the woman they have. Did you ever consider that she had a sparkle the others didn't? No, I'm sure you didn't.


You're right, it isn't about looks, which is why they flaunt women on stage in bikinis :lol:.

It must also be why models rarely have bulimia, and why all the contestants in the Miss USA pagents have facial blemishes.



You also seem to forget the other half of the contest where they look into their lives and who they are.

You see only what you want to see.

Just because some people have obsessed themselves into throwing up, does not mean the basic idea of the pageant is such. Just because some atheletes take steroids to win, does it mean that's what the idea of the sport was meant to be about? Of course not, that's one track minded. Same goes for pageants.

You wish to think they judge soley on looks, and always have...you sir, are close-minded. As I said, do some history research - then you will see how much beauty pageants have helped women in the past to go to school, and help others. I'm sure you also don't realize that they're given money to donate to charities and are REQUIRED if they win, to do countless hours of volunteer work.

But hey, screw it! Since you clearly think they're all self-centered, why don't you go tell those orphanes that they won't be getting any donated money for Christmas gifts that year due to a stereotype.
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[QUOTE="C-Himura"]

[QUOTE="GettingTired"]
Beauty pagents are shallow by nature. That's the whole point of a beauty pagent. I'm sure she didn't decide to become a model because she thought she had a great personality, she did it because she was vain and conceited, like all models are.
GettingTired

You've met all these models personally and know how shallow they are? Who are you to call someone shallow when you don't know them?:roll:

You're right, we clearly can't conclude that someone isn't conceited because they've convinced themselves that everyone wants to look at them in a bikini, and that they can win because they look that much better than everyone else.

You shouldn't conclude anything if you don't have a proof. Just because some contestants may be shallow, doesn't mean that all (and the one we are talking about) are the same.

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Respect is one thing, it's another to try and tell everyone how they should find this girl or every girl for that matter, beautiful. It's idiotic to insulate that because everyone isn't into the same characteristics in a woman as you are, they are shallow.

I'm sick and tired of women telling me how I should respect and love every ****ing women in the world. I don't. Some women are, to me, more attractive than others! It's personal preference to every individual.

These stupid and rude comments come from people who don't find this type of girl attractive, your insults are generated at everyone who says anything against her. You see? I dislike being called shallow because she's not my type of girl.

Wetall_basic

And why wouldn't you show respect to a woman you don't find attractive?

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And why wouldn't you show respect to a woman you don't find attractive?

QuebecSuperstar


My respect? I give that to people that earn it, includeing but not limited to women.
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#135 GettingTired
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[QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]This thread goes to prove that 99% of you guys are shallower than a near-dry puddle of caked-on mud._Marisa_


Sorry, it's a beauty pagent, not a charity case.

You're right. This isn't a charity case, which is why I shall now spare you the lies and tell you the truth. You are one the ugliest "boys" running around on these forums.

Thanks! Actually, I really don't care. There are things I can't do too. But I accept them and know my roles, like everyone else.

Quit being a hypocrite. You obviously cared enough about looks to have responded twice to this thread.

What does my looks have to do with anything? How is this in any possible way relevant? Honestly. You're calling people shallow for judging a model. The very concept of beauty pagents and modeling is shallow and vain. Yet you judge them for it. I can understand why you would get defensive if they started insulting a random girl for being fat, but the fact that she's a model, she puts herself forth for criticism.



Actually, no. That's not the reason beauty contests were invented. You may try doing some research. They were invented to strengthen women back during a time when they were expected to stay at home and clean. There were school scholarships offered, money and a number of gifts to help a woman better her life. The general idea of a "beauty contest" was meant to find the beauty in a woman, mostly the inner beauty. Beauty contests have never been based soley on looks. They must be a well-rounded, kind human being in order to win. Which is clearly why they have picked the woman they have. Did you ever consider that she had a sparkle the others didn't? No, I'm sure you didn't.


You're right, it isn't about looks, which is why they flaunt women on stage in bikinis :lol:.

It must also be why models rarely have bulimia, and why all the contestants in the Miss USA pagents have facial blemishes.



You also seem to forget the other half of the contest where they look into their lives and who they are.

You see only what you want to see.

Just because some people have obsessed themselves into throwing up, does not mean the basic idea of the pageant is such. Just because some atheletes take steroids to win, does it mean that's what the idea of the sport was meant to be about? Of course not, that's one track minded. Same goes for pageants.

You wish to think they judge soley on looks, and always have...you sir, are close-minded. As I said, do some history research - then you will see how much beauty pageants have helped women in the past to go to school, and help others. I'm sure you also don't realize that they're given money to donate to charities and are REQUIRED if they win, to do countless hours of volunteer work.

But hey, screw it! Since you clearly think they're all self-centered, why don't you go tell those orphanes that they won't be getting any donated money for Christmas gifts that year due to a stereotype.

First off, athletes take steroids to become more athletic. That's the point of sports. Models vomit after eating to become skinny, and thus more attractive, which is what pagents are about.

Secondly, while beauty pagents may have half of the scoring be about personal matters, it doesn't detract from the fact that all the women are caked in makeup to resemble a flawless doll (though I find them quite grotesque).

Thirdly, the charity, scholarship, and whole do-good charade is nothing more than that, a charade. It's a joke to get people to think a pagent is for a good cause.

Fourthly, clearly it's about helping charities, not raking in money. And I'm sure every teen in the Miss Teen USA pagent decided to be a model to help others. "I can help starving kids in Africa by standing up on a stage in a bikini". Do you seriously believe that?

How ridiculous. But I'm not going to stay here and argue all day about it. If you want to persist in blinding yourself in the name of being kind, then by all means do so.

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My respect? I give that to people that earn it, includeing but not limited to women.
Wetall_basic

But would a woman you find attractive earn it more easily? Because to me, that's what...

"I'm sick and tired of women telling me how I should respect and love every ****ing women in the world. I don't. Some women are, to me, more attractive than others! It's personal preference to every individual"

Wetall_basic

...seem to imply.

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[QUOTE="Wetall_basic"]
Respect is one thing, it's another to try and tell everyone how they should find this girl or every girl for that matter, beautiful. It's idiotic to insulate that because everyone isn't into the same characteristics in a woman as you are, they are shallow.

I'm sick and tired of women telling me how I should respect and love every ****ing women in the world. I don't. Some women are, to me, more attractive than others! It's personal preference to every individual.

These stupid and rude comments come from people who don't find this type of girl attractive, your insults are generated at everyone who says anything against her. You see? I dislike being called shallow because she's not my type of girl.

QuebecSuperstar

And why wouldn't you show respect to a woman you don't find attractive?

Why would he respect someone he doesn't know?

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#138 pintabear49blue
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[QUOTE="Wetall_basic"]

My respect? I give that to people that earn it, includeing but not limited to women.
QuebecSuperstar

But would a woman you find attractive earn it more easily? Because to me, that's what...

"I'm sick and tired of women telling me how I should respect and love every ****ing women in the world. I don't. Some women are, to me, more attractive than others! It's personal preference to every individual"

Wetall_basic

...seem to imply.

It does not really implie that. I do not think that h thinks that at all.

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[QUOTE="Wetall_basic"]

My respect? I give that to people that earn it, includeing but not limited to women.
QuebecSuperstar

But would a woman you find attractive earn it more easily? Because to me, that's what...

"I'm sick and tired of women telling me how I should respect and love every ****ing women in the world. I don't. Some women are, to me, more attractive than others! It's personal preference to every individual"

Wetall_basic

...seem to imply.



A women that I love, I would find attractive, because I love her, she would be respected, So, you could say that, I suppose.
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#140 MindFreeze
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I don't mind chubbier girls but she's not very pretty, ignoring the extra weight.
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#141 QuebecSuperstar
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Why would he respect someone he doesn't know?

GettingTired

I don't think this particuliar conversation concerns you. And anyway, you completely missed the point.

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[QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]This thread goes to prove that 99% of you guys are shallower than a near-dry puddle of caked-on mud._Marisa_


Sorry, it's a beauty pagent, not a charity case.

You're right. This isn't a charity case, which is why I shall now spare you the lies and tell you the truth. You are one the ugliest "boys" running around on these forums.

Thanks! Actually, I really don't care. There are things I can't do too. But I accept them and know my roles, like everyone else.

Quit being a hypocrite. You obviously cared enough about looks to have responded twice to this thread.

What does my looks have to do with anything? How is this in any possible way relevant? Honestly. You're calling people shallow for judging a model. The very concept of beauty pagents and modeling is shallow and vain. Yet you judge them for it. I can understand why you would get defensive if they started insulting a random girl for being fat, but the fact that she's a model, she puts herself forth for criticism.

Actually, no. That's not the reason beauty contests were invented. You may try doing some research. They were invented to strengthen women back during a time when they were expected to stay at home and clean. There were school scholarships offered, money and a number of gifts to help a woman better her life. The general idea of a "beauty contest" was meant to find the beauty in a woman, mostly the inner beauty. Beauty contests have never been based soley on looks. They must be a well-rounded, kind human being in order to win. Which is clearly why they have picked the woman they have. Did you ever consider that she had a sparkle the others didn't? No, I'm sure you didn't.


You're right, it isn't about looks, which is why they flaunt women on stage in bikinis :lol:.

It must also be why models rarely have bulimia, and why all the contestants in the Miss USA pagents have facial blemishes.



You also seem to forget the other half of the contest where they look into their lives and who they are.

You see only what you want to see.

Just because some people have obsessed themselves into throwing up, does not mean the basic idea of the pageant is such. Just because some atheletes take steroids to win, does it mean that's what the idea of the sport was meant to be about? Of course not, that's one track minded. Same goes for pageants.

You wish to think they judge soley on looks, and always have...you sir, are close-minded. As I said, do some history research - then you will see how much beauty pageants have helped women in the past to go to school, and help others. I'm sure you also don't realize that they're given money to donate to charities and are REQUIRED if they win, to do countless hours of volunteer work.

But hey, screw it! Since you clearly think they're all self-centered, why don't you go tell those orphanes that they won't be getting any donated money for Christmas gifts that year due to a stereotype.

This argument all started because of a size 16 beauty queen....

Hey ladies!! Why don't we start a thread about size 20 men!!!

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This argument all started because of a size 16 beauty queen....

Hey ladies!! Why don't we start a thread about size 20 men!!!

Vancelvany

uh no it started because people were making ridiculously mean comments about her appearance. and go ahead and make that thread, I could bet you us girls here wouldn't make such rude remarks.

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A women that I love, I would find attractive, because I love her, she would be respected, So, you could say that, I suppose.Wetall_basic

You're missing the point. I mean of course you will find the woman you love attractive, of course you will respect her and of course we all find some persons more attractive than others. You're just stating the obvious. I'm just trying to understand why in that particuliar post you thought important of saying you're tired of women asking you to be respectful to "every ****ing women in the world", immediately followed by "I don't. Some women are, to me, more attractive than others!". I mean where's the link between the two affirmations if not that you only pay respect to those who you find attractive?

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[QUOTE="Wetall_basic"][QUOTE="QuebecSuperstar"]

[QUOTE="Wetall_basic"]

But would a woman you find attractive earn it more easily? Because to me, that's what...

[QUOTE="Wetall_basic"]

"I'm sick and tired of women telling me how I should respect and love every ****ing women in the world. I don't. Some women are, to me, more attractive than others! It's personal preference to every individual"

QuebecSuperstar

...seem to imply.



A women that I love, I would find attractive, because I love her, she would be respected, So, you could say that, I suppose.

You're missing the point. I mean of course you will find the woman you love attractive, of course you will respect her and of course we all find some persons more attractive than others. You're just stating the obvious. I'm just trying to understand why in that particuliar post you thought important of saying you're tired of women asking you to be respectful to "every ****ing women in the world", immediately followed by "I don't. Some women are, to me, more attractive than others!". I mean where's the link between the two affirmations if not that you only pay respect to those who you find attractive?



I'm guessing you're trying to make some kind of point by taking my post and picking out sentences and fragments and piecing them back together into a nice heap of misleading sentences, but what I stated was quite clear.

I'm done with this tedious exercise in misrepresentation.
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[QUOTE="Wetall_basic"]A women that I love, I would find attractive, because I love her, she would be respected, So, you could say that, I suppose.QuebecSuperstar

You're missing the point. I mean of course you will find the woman you love attractive, of course you will respect her and of course we all find some persons more attractive than others. You're just stating the obvious. I'm just trying to understand why in that particuliar post you thought important of saying you're tired of women asking you to be respectful to "every ****ing women in the world", immediately followed by "I don't. Some women are, to me, more attractive than others!". I mean where's the link between the two affirmations if not that you only pay respect to those who you find attractive?

I think you are reading too much into it personally.

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i'm sorry but you're a size 16 you're just unhealthy.
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Tbh i think she's beautiful. So yeah ok she doesn't have a hot body and should do a diet along with some workout, but common it's not like she is hideous.

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#149 QuebecSuperstar
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[QUOTE="QuebecSuperstar"]

You're missing the point. I mean of course you will find the woman you love attractive, of course you will respect her and of course we all find some persons more attractive than others. You're just stating the obvious. I'm just trying to understand why in that particuliar post you thought important of saying you're tired of women asking you to be respectful to "every ****ing women in the world", immediately followed by "I don't. Some women are, to me, more attractive than others!". I mean where's the link between the two affirmations if not that you only pay respect to those who you find attractive?

Wetall_basic



I'm guessing you're trying to make some kind of point by taking my post and picking out sentences and fragments and piecing them back together into a nice heap of misleading sentences, but what I stated was quite clear.

I'm done with this tedious exercise in misrepresentation.

Really?

Your original post:



Respect is one thing, it's another to try and tell everyone how they should find this girl or every girl for that matter, beautiful. It's idiotic to insulate that because everyone isn't into the same characteristics in a woman as you are, they are shallow.

I'm sick and tired of women telling me how I should respect and love every ****ing women in the world. I don't. Some women are, to me, more attractive than others! It's personal preference to every individual.

These stupid and rude comments come from people who don't find this type of girl attractive, your insults are generated at everyone who says anything against her. You see? I dislike being called shallow because she's not my type of girl.

Wetall_basic

My post:

You're missing the point. I mean of course you will find the woman you love attractive, of course you will respect her and of course we all find some persons more attractive than others. You're just stating the obvious. I'm just trying to understand why in that particuliar post you thought important of saying you're tired of women asking you to be respectful to "every ****ing women in the world", immediately followed by "I don't. Some women are, to me, more attractive than others!". I mean where's the link between the two affirmations if not that you only pay respect to those who you find attractive?

QuebecSuperstar

What have I altered exactly?

I think you are reading too much into it personally.

pintabear49blue

Probably! But you know, I hate when people start fire on such delicate subjects and then just can't step up to back their own statements.

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#150 pintabear49blue
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[QUOTE="Wetall_basic"][QUOTE="QuebecSuperstar"]

You're missing the point. I mean of course you will find the woman you love attractive, of course you will respect her and of course we all find some persons more attractive than others. You're just stating the obvious. I'm just trying to understand why in that particuliar post you thought important of saying you're tired of women asking you to be respectful to "every ****ing women in the world", immediately followed by "I don't. Some women are, to me, more attractive than others!". I mean where's the link between the two affirmations if not that you only pay respect to those who you find attractive?

QuebecSuperstar



I'm guessing you're trying to make some kind of point by taking my post and picking out sentences and fragments and piecing them back together into a nice heap of misleading sentences, but what I stated was quite clear.

I'm done with this tedious exercise in misrepresentation.

Really?

Your original post:



Respect is one thing, it's another to try and tell everyone how they should find this girl or every girl for that matter, beautiful. It's idiotic to insulate that because everyone isn't into the same characteristics in a woman as you are, they are shallow.

I'm sick and tired of women telling me how I should respect and love every ****ing women in the world. I don't. Some women are, to me, more attractive than others! It's personal preference to every individual.

These stupid and rude comments come from people who don't find this type of girl attractive, your insults are generated at everyone who says anything against her. You see? I dislike being called shallow because she's not my type of girl.

Wetall_basic

My post:

You're missing the point. I mean of course you will find the woman you love attractive, of course you will respect her and of course we all find some persons more attractive than others. You're just stating the obvious. I'm just trying to understand why in that particuliar post you thought important of saying you're tired of women asking you to be respectful to "every ****ing women in the world", immediately followed by "I don't. Some women are, to me, more attractive than others!". I mean where's the link between the two affirmations if not that you only pay respect to those who you find attractive?

QuebecSuperstar

What have I altered exactly?

All he is saying is that you are latching on to a certain part of what he said. I thought it as very clear what he meant overall.