Enough with lies, this is what happens when US troops set out to kill civilians

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#151 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

wat

@kk

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weren't you the same person that posted that picture of Mohammed sucking a d***?...If I was Muslim I don't think I'd like to be your friend...

no that was that one guy on OT posting daily anti muslim threads PWSteal something, idk
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#152 dave123321
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kk, write a story for droids writing contest
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#153 DroidPhysX
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kk, write a story for droids writing contest dave123321
yeah
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#154 kingkong0124
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no that was that one guy on OT posting daily anti muslim threads PWSteal something, idkDroidPhysX

:lol:

kk, write a story for droids writing contest dave123321

Sure. What does it have to be about

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#155 DroidPhysX
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anything really
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#156 kingkong0124
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anything reallyDroidPhysX

ok I'll make it. What's the point of it? Do you like writing?

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#157 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]anything reallykingkong0124

ok I'll make it. What's the point of it? Do you like writing?

hmm more out of sheer bordem and to see who can actually write a good story
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#158 dave123321
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I hope Suzy is going to write one
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#159 kingkong0124
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]anything reallyDroidPhysX

ok I'll make it. What's the point of it? Do you like writing?

hmm more out of sheer bordem and to see who can actually write a good story

chapter 1 was sent to dave.
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#160 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

ok I'll make it. What's the point of it? Do you like writing?

kingkong0124
hmm more out of sheer bordem and to see who can actually write a good story

chapter 1 was sent to dave.

But i am the host
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#161 kingkong0124
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] hmm more out of sheer bordem and to see who can actually write a good storyDroidPhysX
chapter 1 was sent to dave.

But i am the host

make me your GS friend so i can send it to you.

edit: did you get it--check your pms

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#162 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"] chapter 1 was sent to dave. kingkong0124

But i am the host

make me your GS friend so i can send it to you.

edit: did you get it

yes i did decent story
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#163 kingkong0124
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] But i am the hostDroidPhysX

make me your GS friend so i can send it to you.

edit: did you get it

yes i did decent story

should I make a chapter 2?

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#164 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

make me your GS friend so i can send it to you.

edit: did you get it

kingkong0124

yes i did decent story

should I make a chapter 2?

hmmm not now if you have too much supply, there's only so much demand and you'll saturate the market
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#165 dave123321
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Also send any future story stuff to me too, kk.
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#166 BossPerson
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a writing contest?

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#167 kingkong0124
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] yes i did decent storyDroidPhysX

should I make a chapter 2?

hmmm not now if you have too much supply, there's only so much demand and you'll saturate the market

Ok, just tell me when/if you want it. I think I have the whole plot pretty thought out already.

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#168 kingkong0124
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"] hmmm not now if you have too much supply, there's only so much demand and you'll saturate the marketkingkong0124

Ok, just tell me when/if you want it. I think I have the whole plot pretty thought out already.

Also send any future story stuff to me too, kk.dave123321
ok. did you like ch. 1?

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#169 whipassmt
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

Also, assuming you voted -

can't believe you voted for a mass murderer instead of Mitt Romney, who hasn't killed anyone in his life. Surely the "lesser of two evils" mentality would make you choose Romney...

DroidPhysX

Romney would be Bush IV succeeding Bush III. Not sure how the same evil when it comes to foreign policy is the lesser one.

would that have made Ryan Quayle IV succeeding Quayle III?

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#170 whipassmt
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="ad1x2"] For all of the people who keep quoting this as well as the original person who posted this, what charges would you propose get pressed against the President? I'm talking about legitimate charges, not some made-up "moral" charges that wouldn't hold up in an impeachment hearing or Federal court.ad1x2

Failing to investigate/prosecute the war crimes of the previous administration is in and of itself a war crime. Also many of the tactics used in relation to drone strikes are of dubious legality. Bush, Cheney and Co. have found it very difficult to travel abroad since retiring, and Obama will most likely face that same reality.

Are you suggesting that the Obama administration try to order the arrest and prosecution of the 297 Representatives and 77 Senators who voted to go into Iraq? In case you didn't know we didn't invade Iraq based on Bush's orders alone, he didn't have that power to do that and a lot of Bush haters seem to forget that....

As for the drone strikes themselves, you have to ask yourself if the administration wants to do the alternative, which is to put more boots on the ground when we are actually going through a drawdown. Granted, several of the people who are so anti-drone probably don't even know anybody who is in the military and could care less if troops die as long as it doesn't affect their personal benefits such as their college money or cause the draft to be reinstated.

From what I know about drone strikes (which is a lot more than at least 95% of the people on the forum, since I actually have access to information that I can't disclose here due to legal reasons) it works. Bad news gets better ratings and good news goes flapping in the wind, which is why the stuff that makes us look bad is more likely to make headlines. Not much different than how stories about what good videogames does gets overlooked in favor of stories trying to tie violent videogames to school shootings.

Well I guess Obama would have to prosecute Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton. But I don't think Sun_Tzu meant that Bush did this on his own, he did mention Obama not being able to travel around the world (which I think is a dumb assertion because I doubt any country would try to arrest a former U.S. president).

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#171 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] kingkong0124

I don't believe any of that sh*t, and I don't even like Obama. Do you really think Obama - knowingly - kills hundreds of innocent people through his drone strikes? Really? This guy has kids, is a family man-and, mind you, Obama is the same person who was crying about the Newtown Massacre. I doubt Obama is a "mass murderer"....

I didn't call him a mass murderer. Just a war criminal.
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Are you suggesting that the Obama administration try to order the arrest and prosecution of the 297 Representatives and 77 Senators who voted to go into Iraq? In case you didn't know we didn't invade Iraq based on Bush's orders alone, he didn't have that power to do that and a lot of Bush haters seem to forget that....

As for the drone strikes themselves, you have to ask yourself if the administration wants to do the alternative, which is to put more boots on the ground when we are actually going through a drawdown. Granted, several of the people who are so anti-drone probably don't even know anybody who is in the military and could care less if troops die as long as it doesn't affect their personal benefits such as their college money or cause the draft to be reinstated.

From what I know about drone strikes (which is a lot more than at least 95% of the people on the forum, since I actually have access to information that I can't disclose here due to legal reasons) it works. Bad news gets better ratings and good news goes flapping in the wind, which is why the stuff that makes us look bad is more likely to make headlines. Not much different than how stories about what good videogames does gets overlooked in favor of stories trying to tie violent videogames to school shootings.

ad1x2

The Iraq war vote in congress has nothing to do with my post. And I don't see how your tangent about drone strikes is relevant to either the legal question you asked or the answer I gave.

Well I guess Obama would have to prosecute Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton. But I don't think Sun_Tzu meant that Bush did this on his own, he did mention Obama not being able to travel around the world (which I think is a dumb assertion because I doubt any country would try to arrest a former U.S. president).

whipassmt


Bush not too long ago had to cancel a trip to Switzerland because of fears that he would be arrested there. Ever since the arrest of Senor Pinochet in the UK, war criminals have been a lot more careful when making travel plans.

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#173 LJS9502_basic
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Do yourself a favor and stop being such a fvcking liar LJS, you look dumb enough even without lying.kuraimen
No you're the liar. I quoted both your posts AS YOU STATED THEM. You mentioned ethics in both. Not morality.
Ethics>morals>lawkuraimen

Depends on the group that's why ethics is abovekuraimen

Your two consecutive posts....

Oh and this.....

Ethics, also known as moral philosophy, is a branch of philosophy that involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct.

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#174 dave123321
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]ok. did you like ch. 1?

kingkong0124
Yes
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#175 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Do yourself a favor and stop being such a fvcking liar LJS, you look dumb enough even without lying.LJS9502_basic

No you're the liar. I quoted both your posts AS YOU STATED THEM. You mentioned ethics in both. Not morality.
Ethics>morals>lawkuraimen

Depends on the group that's why ethics is abovekuraimen

Your two consecutive posts....

Oh and this.....

Ethics, also known as moral philosophy, is a branch of philosophy that involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct.

Man ljs I'm really not sure if you're stupid or you just pretend to be. I just showed to you that my post was in response to other guy it was not isolated and you go ahead and quote it isolated again. And again educate yourself a little for a change morals is not the same as ethics. Did you even go to school?
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#176 whipassmt
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[QUOTE="ad1x2"]

Are you suggesting that the Obama administration try to order the arrest and prosecution of the 297 Representatives and 77 Senators who voted to go into Iraq? In case you didn't know we didn't invade Iraq based on Bush's orders alone, he didn't have that power to do that and a lot of Bush haters seem to forget that....

As for the drone strikes themselves, you have to ask yourself if the administration wants to do the alternative, which is to put more boots on the ground when we are actually going through a drawdown. Granted, several of the people who are so anti-drone probably don't even know anybody who is in the military and could care less if troops die as long as it doesn't affect their personal benefits such as their college money or cause the draft to be reinstated.

From what I know about drone strikes (which is a lot more than at least 95% of the people on the forum, since I actually have access to information that I can't disclose here due to legal reasons) it works. Bad news gets better ratings and good news goes flapping in the wind, which is why the stuff that makes us look bad is more likely to make headlines. Not much different than how stories about what good videogames does gets overlooked in favor of stories trying to tie violent videogames to school shootings.

-Sun_Tzu-

The Iraq war vote in congress has nothing to do with my post. And I don't see how your tangent about drone strikes is relevant to either the legal question you asked or the answer I gave.

Well I guess Obama would have to prosecute Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton. But I don't think Sun_Tzu meant that Bush did this on his own, he did mention Obama not being able to travel around the world (which I think is a dumb assertion because I doubt any country would try to arrest a former U.S. president).

whipassmt


Bush not too long ago had to cancel a trip to Switzerland because of fears that he would be arrested there. Ever since the arrest of Senor Pinochet in the UK, war criminals have been a lot more careful when making travel plans.

Interesting. Though I doubt the Swiss would arrest a former U.S. president, considering that the U.S. would probably punish the Swiss economically and maybe even use miltary force (and the Swiss cannot defeat the U.S. in a war). Besides, Bush has the secret service protecting him so if the Swiss police tried to arrest him, the secret service could probably fend them off.

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#178 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Do yourself a favor and stop being such a fvcking liar LJS, you look dumb enough even without lying.kuraimen

No you're the liar. I quoted both your posts AS YOU STATED THEM. You mentioned ethics in both. Not morality.
Ethics>morals>lawkuraimen

Depends on the group that's why ethics is abovekuraimen

Your two consecutive posts....

Oh and this.....

Ethics, also known as moral philosophy, is a branch of philosophy that involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct.

Man ljs I'm really not sure if you're stupid or you just pretend to be. I just showed to you that my post was in response to other guy it was not isolated and you go ahead and quote it isolated again. And again educate yourself a little for a change morals is not the same as ethics. Did you even go to school?

Such dishonestly. I gave you the quote chain I was talking about....
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[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ad1x2"] For all of the people who keep quoting this as well as the original person who posted this, what charges would you propose get pressed against the President? I'm talking about legitimate charges, not some made-up "moral" charges that wouldn't hold up in an impeachment hearing or Federal court.

Ethics>morals>law

but whose morality?

Basic morality.
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#180 pie-junior
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[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Ethics>morals>law

but whose morality?

Basic morality.

what's that
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#181 thebest31406
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] kingkong0124

I don't believe any of that sh*t, and I don't even like Obama. Do you really think Obama - knowingly - kills hundreds of innocent people through his drone strikes? Really? This guy has kids, is a family man-and, mind you, Obama is the same person who was crying about the Newtown Massacre. I doubt Obama is a "mass murderer"....

Why do you assume that Obama has same moral values as you? Just because you wouldn't knowing allow the killing of civilians doesn't the next person wouldn't
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#182 thebest31406
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[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="pie-junior"] but whose morality?

Basic morality.

what's that

The kind of morality that even you would abide by. Do you believe North Korea would have the moral right to invade and occupy the US, killing anyone they believed to be "insurgences?"
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#183 pie-junior
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The kind of morality that even you would abide by. thebest31406

That's a pretty tricky concept to pin down, dontcyathink?

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#184 pie-junior
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Also, I would never ever use the term 'moral right', unless it was part of an attempt to mock/admonish someone else for saying it.
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#185 thebest31406
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[QUOTE="thebest31406"] The kind of morality that even you would abide by. pie-junior

That's a pretty tricky concept to pin down, dontcyathink?

Did you not read the rest of my post?

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#186 jetpower3
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If the US military really set out to kill civilians, the death tolls would be staggering. That being said, killing people through nonintention or negligence still isnt a good thing.

sonicare

Good point. Unlike some other war efforts, this isn't so systemic, but collateral damage and a general disregard for civilian casualties is not much better. To the victims, it doesn't matter. People still died under dubious and dishonorable circumstances.