Every restaurant adds a 10% service charge.

1) They do work hard, which is why they should get more benefits, and get paid more by their employer. I am not their employer, it is not my problem that they picked a ****ty-ass job. It's theirs. They should fix and/or remedy their Stevo_the_gamer

You do know that you, as the customer, really pay for EVERYTHING, right?
...not the employer

All costs get passed on to you
So if they raise wages, then prices go up as well

Is it not better to work on a bonus than a given salary (motivation)?

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I hate tipping. I honestly don't see why I should pay someone to do a job they're already being paid to do as is.rawsavon

You do know that you, as the customer, really pay for EVERYTHING, right?rawsavon

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I hate tipping. I honestly don't see why I should pay someone to do a job they're already being paid to do as is.rawsavon

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]You do know that you, as the customer, really pay for EVERYTHING, right?Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I hate tipping. I honestly don't see why I should pay someone to do a job they're already being paid to do as is.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I hate tipping. I honestly don't see why I should pay someone to do a job they're already being paid to do as is.Dark__Link

Also, not tipping is a great way to end up with body fluids in your food the next time you eat there.

I find tipping quite to be quiet ridiculous, especially at chain restaurants like chilli's, olive garden, outback steakhouse, etc. although I still tip. Reason being is that the food in these chain restaurants does not take much effort to make and I could find better meals for cheaper at fast food restaurants. So many times in these craphole chain restaurants my food was microwaved or simply tasted like **** I feel tipping is necessary in special restaurants which are not chains, you know real restaurants with live music and beautiful tables set up?

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

1. Servers get paid minimum wage and work too hard, thus they deserve more

2. Many restaurants take advantage of loopholes, allowing them to pay servers less than minimum wage (sometiems as low as 5.50 in California)

3. It is just the way it is :P We live in a society where service-based occupations should be rewarded, specifically if they try harder than they need to. That is what it comes down to: tips are for people that give you 110% instead of the bare minimum.

A server that gives you a glass of water, brings your food, and disappears and gives you youre tab late deservers no tip. A server that constantly refills your cup of water, brings food out hot and quickly, always pays attention to you, and is generally a nice person is putting in extra effort, and thus deserves a reward.

I will say this, though: I usd to work in a restaurant as a chef, and the amount of money some servers would go home with is disgusting lol. This one guy, he was a tall and handsome fella', very nice, would average 200 a night...thats over 40k dollars, working four nights a week. Plus a paycheck.

Stevo_the_gamer

1) They do work hard, which is why they should get more benefits, and get paid more by their employer. I am not their employer, it is not my problem that they picked a ****ty-ass job. It's theirs. They should fix and/or remedy their problem.

2) Sucks for them.

3) Meh.

The fact that tips are generally considered required by most is why service is terrible almost everywhere you go. They have no incentive to try harder since 99% of the time they will still get the same amount.

If people stopped tipping for terrible service, everyone would benefit.

Alter_Echo

Unfortunately, people are afraid to. "Homg, I r git durty look if i r no haz tip!1one"

Luckily I get great service wherever I go. If the waiter/waitress brings me my food, doesn't drop it all over me, gets me drinks in a timely manner and doesn't seem to look down on me for whatever reason, they'll get a tip. If the food is taking a godawful amount of time, it isn't their fault, it's the fault of the cook. I don't think he/she gets their tips.

[QUOTE="Atmanix"]

Well, you're expected to tip in the U.S. Currently it is 20% (I give 15% roughly). You're not required to though unless you have a party greater than 8 (usually) in which case it IS added onto your bill.

sonicare

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

1. Servers get paid minimum wage and work too hard, thus they deserve more

2. Many restaurants take advantage of loopholes, allowing them to pay servers less than minimum wage (sometiems as low as 5.50 in California)

3. It is just the way it is :P We live in a society where service-based occupations should be rewarded, specifically if they try harder than they need to. That is what it comes down to: tips are for people that give you 110% instead of the bare minimum.

A server that gives you a glass of water, brings your food, and disappears and gives you youre tab late deservers no tip. A server that constantly refills your cup of water, brings food out hot and quickly, always pays attention to you, and is generally a nice person is putting in extra effort, and thus deserves a reward.

I will say this, though: I usd to work in a restaurant as a chef, and the amount of money some servers would go home with is disgusting lol. This one guy, he was a tall and handsome fella', very nice, would average 200 a night...thats over 40k dollars, working four nights a week. Plus a paycheck.

hydratedleaf

1) They do work hard, which is why they should get more benefits, and get paid more by their employer. I am not their employer, it is not my problem that they picked a ****ty-ass job. It's theirs. They should fix and/or remedy their problem.

2) Sucks for them.

3) Meh.

That's great. Just don't be surprised if the next time you eat somewhere you didn't tip the mayonaisse on your sandwich isn't really mayonaisse.

and out of principle, I would rather pay higher prices then leave a tip.Stevo_the_gamer

Well you'll pay the same either way. If no one tipped, restaurants would have to pay their staff more, and would raise food prices accordingly. You'd probably pay MORE if that happened than if you just tip 20%.Dark__Link

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]and out of principle, I would rather pay higher prices then leave a tip.rawsavon

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]Well you'll pay the same either way. If no one tipped, restaurants would have to pay their staff more, and would raise food prices accordingly. You'd probably pay MORE if that happened than if you just tip 20%.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]and out of principle, I would rather pay higher prices then leave a tip.rawsavon

[QUOTE="hydratedleaf"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

1) They do work hard, which is why they should get more benefits, and get paid more by their employer. I am not their employer, it is not my problem that they picked a ****ty-ass job. It's theirs. They should fix and/or remedy their problem.

2) Sucks for them.

3) Meh.

FleeceJohnson

That's great. Just don't be surprised if the next time you eat somewhere you didn't tip the mayonaisse on your sandwich isn't really mayonaisse.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]Well you'll pay the same either way. If no one tipped, restaurants would have to pay their staff more, and would raise food prices accordingly. You'd probably pay MORE if that happened than if you just tip 20%.Stevo_the_gamer

You guys really aren't afraid that the servers will do something to your food the next time if you don't tip?

I only don't leave if a tip if the service was unbelievably awful and I never plan on returning to that restaurant.

I tip partially out of fear, because the food is out of my hands and I know that unspeakable things will happen to it in the back if I don't.

They would have to leaglly to cover min. wage Restaurants are the number 1 venture to go bust in the US...they usually fail...all added costs would be passed on (not absorbed)rawsavon

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]and out of principle, I would rather pay higher prices then leave a tip.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]They would have to leaglly to cover min. wage Restaurants are the number 1 venture to go bust in the US...they usually fail...all added costs would be passed on (not absorbed)Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="FleeceJohnson"]

[QUOTE="hydratedleaf"]Agreed. I'm baffled by the people acting as if it's the responsibility of the customer to contribute to their wages.hydratedleaf

That's great. Just don't be surprised if the next time you eat somewhere you didn't tip the mayonaisse on your sandwich isn't really mayonaisse.

I would. But then again, I don't want body fluids in my food.

I see tipping as an insurance policy to make sure I'm getting clean food.

Restaurants are dirty, dirty places. Just watch that Domino's people video. That stuff happens all the time in food service.

He supports entitlements :Pxaos

[QUOTE="hydratedleaf"][QUOTE="FleeceJohnson"]

That's great. Just don't be surprised if the next time you eat somewhere you didn't tip the mayonaisse on your sandwich isn't really mayonaisse.

FleeceJohnson

I would. But then again, I don't want body fluids in my food.

I see tipping as an insurance policy to make sure I'm getting clean food.

Restaurants are dirty, dirty places. Just watch that Domino's people video. That stuff happens all the time in food service.

I tip partially out of fear, because the food is out of my hands and I know that unspeakable things will happen to it in the back if I don't.

FleeceJohnson

That's just gross

ALL would go up in price. Also, you would have less control b/c you would have NO power over the final 'bill' ...as of now, you have some control over the final 'bill'rawsavon

[QUOTE="FleeceJohnson"]

[QUOTE="hydratedleaf"]What's your point? Do you think I want to be charitable towards people who are likely to spit in my food if I don't?hydratedleaf

I would. But then again, I don't want body fluids in my food.

I see tipping as an insurance policy to make sure I'm getting clean food.

Restaurants are dirty, dirty places. Just watch that Domino's people video. That stuff happens all the time in food service.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]ALL would go up in price. Also, you would have less control b/c you would have NO power over the final 'bill' ...as of now, you have some control over the final 'bill'Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="rawsavon"]ALL would go up in price. Also, you would have less control b/c you would have NO power over the final 'bill' ...as of now, you have some control over the final 'bill'rawsavon

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I wouldn't doubt that, but how much is the real question? I would definitely have some power over the final bill, it's called not attending that restaurant and going to a cheaper one. Or better yet. Coupons. :shock:hydratedleaf

[QUOTE="hydratedleaf"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] I never said you did/would not have any power...only less More power is better, No? In your 'world' the only power you have to go to that place or not In my 'world' I have that same power + control over the final bill based on performance How is yours a more desirable position?rawsavon

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="hydratedleaf"]I don't consider being co-opted into paying a restaurant's employees because the restaurant are bastards who are paying their waiters below minimum wage and the waiters are mostly scumbags who'll spit in your food unless don't give them charity to be a desirable position. Nor, really, to be a position of power, given the Hobson's choice that is tipping or having bodily fluids on one's next meal.hydratedleaf

From a legal standpoint, it's illegal UNLESS they tell you in the menu that they will add 10% on the total as service charge or you offer to pay them yourself. Laws are there to protect consumers and not help business men make more money. The only case in which laws encourage people to invest/start businessesare when those projects help developing the country in any way.

I never said you did/would not have any power...only less More power is better, No? In your 'world' the only power you have to go to that place or not In my 'world' I have that same power + control over the final bill based on performance How is yours a more desirable position?rawsavon

You said: "you would have NO power over the final bill," and that's not really the case by the examples I outlined.

But yeah, I can agree with that interpretation, yours is the more desirable position -- hence why you all can continue doing whatever you so choose, and I will continue not to tip. The issue is that in the current "world," you are expected to give out a tip almost regardless of performance, you may like to think about you have a choice, but you're still "expected" to tip.Should you not act on that choice, unforseen consequences may occur -- and that, my friend, is not a "desirable" way to go.

Regardless, really, the point that I've been making is that I won't and refuse to pay someone for doing a job they're already supposed to be doing in the first place. You got a problem with that? Awesome! By all means, disagree and do whatever your heart desires. I'm not telling everyone "not" to tip, you all can throw your money wherever you so please.

[QUOTE="hydratedleaf"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Read earlier posts. You are no co-opted into paying for anything...as the consumer you pay for EVERYTHING Either you get a choice of how much you pay based on performance (the system we have now) or You get no say in the final bill (if no one tips...b/c they must pay at least min wage if tips are not enough)rawsavon

Regardless, really, the point that I've been making is that I won't and refuse to pay someone for doing a job they're already supposed to be doing in the first place. You got a problem with that? Awesome! By all means, disagree and do whatever your heart desires. I'm not telling everyone "not" to tip, you all can throw your money wherever you so please.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="hydratedleaf"]As I said, it's not much of a choice for those who don't appreciate spit as an unwanted condiment.hydratedleaf

[QUOTE="hydratedleaf"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Read earlier posts. You are no co-opted into paying for anything...as the consumer you pay for EVERYTHING Either you get a choice of how much you pay based on performance (the system we have now) or You get no say in the final bill (if no one tips...b/c they must pay at least min wage if tips are not enough)rawsavon

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

1. Servers get paid minimum wage and work too hard, thus they deserve more

2. Many restaurants take advantage of loopholes, allowing them to pay servers less than minimum wage (sometiems as low as 5.50 in California)

3. It is just the way it is :P We live in a society where service-based occupations should be rewarded, specifically if they try harder than they need to. That is what it comes down to: tips are for people that give you 110% instead of the bare minimum.

A server that gives you a glass of water, brings your food, and disappears and gives you youre tab late deservers no tip. A server that constantly refills your cup of water, brings food out hot and quickly, always pays attention to you, and is generally a nice person is putting in extra effort, and thus deserves a reward.

I will say this, though: I usd to work in a restaurant as a chef, and the amount of money some servers would go home with is disgusting lol. This one guy, he was a tall and handsome fella', very nice, would average 200 a night...thats over 40k dollars, working four nights a week. Plus a paycheck.

Stevo_the_gamer

1) They do work hard, which is why they should get more benefits, and get paid more by their employer. I am not their employer, it is not my problem that they picked a ****ty-ass job. It's theirs. They should fix and/or remedy their problem.

2) Sucks for them.

3) Meh.

Yeah it does suck for us. Where i live i get $2.13 an hour. And you think i like this job? Think about the unemployment rate before you get so unempathetic. People take whatever they can get when times are hard. Look at it like this, tipping is like paying for a service, thus the term is not waiter or waitress, it is SERVER. It is also a unisex term, more PC. It's thinking like that that can make being a server really hard.

On a good night though we can make bank, but when you have a lot of customers that come in with their mind already made up not to tip, it starts to get bleak.