Every restaurant adds a 10% service charge.
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="hydratedleaf"]No, the customer is not the employer. What an absurd, casuistic thing to say.hydratedleafThat's weird that people on both sides have agreed with on both sides of the issue...maybe it is just you :o Who pays the wages...we do...we are the employerI don't care what other people think. The employer is the restaurant. It is their obligation to pay the staff. I have no interest in taking part in this specious word game of yours whereby we pretend that customers are employers. Nobody asked you to play. I was not enjoying posting with you. I just responded to what you asked. I have seen your posts and seek to avoid them
[QUOTE="rawsavon"] What :? You do know that that is the number 1 failure in the US b/c the margins are so small...there is really no extra moneySolidSnake35So how do restaurants in the UK afford to pay decent enough wages? I can only assume they're charging more for the food.. such that your restaurants are charging less than what they might.
It is called RGB. Revenue Generating Beverages. restaurants don't make much money from food. It costs about 5-10 cents to make a glass of tea and they charge $2.19 for a glass of tea.
[QUOTE="WSP87"]So based on your logic, customers might as well tip the employees in clothing stores, electronics stores, and any other service based stores? The fact still remains the same, you picked a job that requires high cooperation with customers. The customer has no responsibility of how much you get paid. You should have known about the negative parts of the job before you applied...You picked a job?Because i have to deal with people's BS all day. I hate customers. I hate watching the 'pictures from wal-mart' style pepole WADDLE into the store and stuff their face while i have to put on a fake grin and run in circles for them. Fair enough? I am actually a very good waiter and make a decent amount of money, but the fact reamins that if isaid half of what crossed my mind to these people i would be fast out of a job. Maybe i am just misanthropic, maybe people are just trash. You decide.
fighter91
You make it sound like people have a plethora of jobs to pick from... Sometimes people just have to take what they can get...
So based on your logic, customers might as well tip the employees in clothing stores, electronics stores, and any other service based stores? The fact still remains the same, you picked a job that requires high cooperation with customers. The customer has no responsibility of how much you get paid. You should have known about the negative parts of the job before you applied...You picked a job?[QUOTE="fighter91"][QUOTE="WSP87"]
Because i have to deal with people's BS all day. I hate customers. I hate watching the 'pictures from wal-mart' style pepole WADDLE into the store and stuff their face while i have to put on a fake grin and run in circles for them. Fair enough? I am actually a very good waiter and make a decent amount of money, but the fact reamins that if isaid half of what crossed my mind to these people i would be fast out of a job. Maybe i am just misanthropic, maybe people are just trash. You decide.
BuryMe
You make it sound like people have a plethora of jobs to pick from... Sometimes people just have to take what they can get...
I have another post where I said everybody is suffering from this bad economy. I understand there are a limited amount of jobs but you can't go to every job expecting to have your customers to hold the same views as you.[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] That doesn't work b/c 'cheap' is subjective not objectiverawsavonOh come on, arent citizens able to make statements about pricing since they are aware of the cost of living in their country? The only case where such statements of two people disagreeing would be subjective is when there is a big gap between their incomes (one is not rich and the other isnt). He is saying there is no moral obligation if it is not cheap...seems subjective to me Personally, the price of the meal should have nothing to do with it The price of the meal has a lot to do with it actually. If you have a restaurant that charges no more than 10 bucks a meal, I bet you you'll have more customers that will tip.
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Oh come on, arent citizens able to make statements about pricing since they are aware of the cost of living in their country? The only case where such statements of two people disagreeing would be subjective is when there is a big gap between their incomes (one is not rich and the other isnt).fighter91Definitely. That's exactly what my parents do... if it's too expensive, they figure tip was taken into account, why else would a similar meal cost so much less at another place? He is saying there is no moral obligation if it is not cheap...seems subjective to me Personally, the price of the meal should have nothing to do with it The price of the meal has a lot to do with it actually. If you have a restaurant that charges no more than 10-11 bucks a meal, I bet you you'll have more customers that will tip.
Definitely. That's exactly what my parents do. If it's too expensive, they assume the tip was included, because what other reason could there be for having a similar meal cost much less at another place.
The price of the meal has a lot to do with it actually. If you have a restaurant that charges no more than 10-11 bucks a meal, I bet you you'll have more customers that will tip.[QUOTE="fighter91"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Definitely. That's exactly what my parents do... if it's too expensive, they figure tip was taken into account, why else would a similar meal cost so much less at another place? He is saying there is no moral obligation if it is not cheap...seems subjective to me Personally, the price of the meal should have nothing to do with itF1_2004
Definitely. That's exactly what my parents do. If it's too expensive, they assume the tip was included, because what other reason could there be for having a similar meal cost much less at another place.
You pay for a lot more than food at a place to eat :? -ambiance, service, cleanliness, status...too many things to name[QUOTE="F1_2004"][QUOTE="fighter91"] The price of the meal has a lot to do with it actually. If you have a restaurant that charges no more than 10-11 bucks a meal, I bet you you'll have more customers that will tip.rawsavon
Definitely. That's exactly what my parents do. If it's too expensive, they assume the tip was included, because what other reason could there be for having a similar meal cost much less at another place.
You pay for a lot more than food at a place to eat :? -ambiance, service, cleanliness, status...too many things to name Hmm I find that strange. My local Chilli's and Applebee's is not anymore cleaner than my local McDonald's which charges no more than 6 dollars for their biggest meals.
I tip 3 to 5 bucks depending on how much I have at the moment.
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="F1_2004"]You pay for a lot more than food at a place to eat :? -ambiance, service, cleanliness, status...too many things to name Hmm I find that strange. My local Chilli's and Applebee's is not anymore cleaner than my local McDonald's which charges no more than 6 dollars for their biggest meals. Then why do people go to Applebee's....b/c they are paying for something more than the foodDefinitely. That's exactly what my parents do. If it's too expensive, they assume the tip was included, because what other reason could there be for having a similar meal cost much less at another place.
fighter91
Hmm I find that strange. My local Chilli's and Applebee's is not anymore cleaner than my local McDonald's which charges no more than 6 dollars for their biggest meals. Then why do people go to Applebee's....b/c they are paying for something more than the food Maybe they like the food at Applebee's more than McD's ? And what do you mean "offering more than the food"? Is there live music at these restaurants? Some kind of a special show? No, all you do is order your food and (this is where a restaurant differs from fast food) a waiter comes up and supports you for your experience at the restaurant. Now what I mean by support? serving you your drink, serving you the food right away, and asking every so often whether they (the customers) are enjoying the food and whether they would like more soda or not. Do I find it justifiable to pay this person for doing her job? NO. that's not my responsibility. Let her paycheck reflect upon that.[QUOTE="fighter91"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] You pay for a lot more than food at a place to eat :? -ambiance, service, cleanliness, status...too many things to namerawsavon
. Do I find it justifiable to pay this person for doing her job? NO. that's not my responsibility. Let her paycheck reflect upon that.fighter91But you pay everyone's paycheck :? ...who else do you think does? They do not make min. wage b/c we don't pay them that. No tips = they get paid more = we pay them more = increased prices It is all the same. Only with tips we have more control
[QUOTE="fighter91"]. Do I find it justifiable to pay this person for doing her job? NO. that's not my responsibility. Let her paycheck reflect upon that.rawsavonBut you pay everyone's paycheck :? ...who else do you think does? They do not make min. wage b/c we don't pay them that. No tips = they get paid more = we pay them more = increased prices It is all the same. Only with tips we have more control This argument would be more justifiable if the cost of a meal at an average restaurant was cheaper.
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="fighter91"]. Do I find it justifiable to pay this person for doing her job? NO. that's not my responsibility. Let her paycheck reflect upon that.fighter91But you pay everyone's paycheck :? ...who else do you think does? They do not make min. wage b/c we don't pay them that. No tips = they get paid more = we pay them more = increased prices It is all the same. Only with tips we have more control This argument would be more justifiable if the cost of a meal at an average restaurant was cheaper. That's subjective. I think MOST (not all) places food is pretty ****ing cheap for what you get
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]I dont like arguing with people I like either.TeenagedIt makes it very difficult...especially over text (instead of spoken words)Yeah if it was not over text there are other ways to make you agree... That's better :oops:
If the service was good I tip 20% standard and will go down from there. Bars are usually different and it depends on how much I've ordered the price of what I ordered and their service.
I rarely never tip but sometimes you get bad service and thats just how it goes, but I will still go there give em another shot.
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