Everybody SHOULD Support Decriminalization of Cannabis... EVERYBODY

MDMA had government funded studies that received backlash for being false. I don't know why they ever did such a poor job on that one though.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] Prove they're biased.DaBrainz

Wow you have a lot of misconceptions.

ThePharmaceutical companies are about making money, if cannabis was viable, they would ofextracted it, put it in a vial or a pen injector or a patch by now.

Why do you think thatin a system wherephase III and IV clinical trials costhundreds of millions of dollars to evaluate the safety and effectiveness of a drug that we should somehow make an exceptionfor cannabis?

The facts are the evidence that does exist is not sufficient enough to warrant such an investment.

And don't even get me started on the global warming thing, when the media says scientific consensus, scientific is used very loosely.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Of course their bias, you think the pharmacy companies would allow a cheap drug that can be used for multiple applications to be legalized? No of course not, thats why we seem to have some hypocritical policies at times in the US, due to lobbyiests.. Hell it literally took decades for any one to legally pin ANYTHING on the tobacco industry as being a harmful product.. I mean they had trouble of even suggesting tobacco was linked to large amount of fires! Than we have things like global warmings, a heated debate in government (yet accepted by the scientific majority), all due to lobbyiests.. Do you honestly think for instance the fossil fuel industries would get rid of their cash cow with out a fight? These are just some examples.sSubZerOo

Wow you have a lot of misconceptions.

ThePharmaceutical companies are about making money, if cannabis was viable, they would ofextracted it, put it in a vial or a pen injector or a patch by now.

Why do you think thatin a system wherephase III and IV clinical trials costhundreds of millions of dollars to evaluate the safety and effectiveness of a drug that we should somehow make an exceptionfor cannabis?

The facts are the evidence that does exist is not sufficient enough to warrant such an investment.

And don't even get me started on the global warming thing, when the media says scientific consensus, scientific is used very loosely.

Uhg you missed the point.

Every drug, especially one as potent as cannabis has to go through a long process of clinical trials and NDAs. This is to evaluate drugs to ensure not only are they effective and safe, but also make sure appropriate QC/QA procedures and policies are in place.

Why should we make an exception for cannabis?

And yeah climatologist orginizations with no scientists working for them. Activists and politicans =/= scientists.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

Wow you have a lot of misconceptions.

ThePharmaceutical companies are about making money, if cannabis was viable, they would ofextracted it, put it in a vial or a pen injector or a patch by now.

Why do you think thatin a system wherephase III and IV clinical trials costhundreds of millions of dollars to evaluate the safety and effectiveness of a drug that we should somehow make an exceptionfor cannabis?

The facts are the evidence that does exist is not sufficient enough to warrant such an investment.

And don't even get me started on the global warming thing, when the media says scientific consensus, scientific is used very loosely.

Uhg you missed the point.

Every drug, especially one as potent as cannabis has to go through a long process of clinical trials and NDAs. This is to evaluate drugs to ensure not only are they effective and safe, but also make sure appropriate QC/QA procedures and policies are in place.

Why should we make an exception for cannabis?

And yeah climatologist orginizations with no scientists working for them. Activists and politicans =/= scientists.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] lets go see.. The best pot is not grown in the United States.. It is criminally cheap to get, while their said pharmacy drugs are many times more expensive.. They already lobbied for instance of banning pharmacy drugs from coming by Canada to the North because it would lower the price.... Hence lowering their profits.. Why the hell do you think there is so much battle over the social healthcare possibilities? Because the HEALTHCARE industry makes a killing off how expensive it is, if they were to go social health care they would lose alot of cash.. Media? How bout you go to the numerous scientific climatologist organizations around the world?sSubZerOo

Uhg you missed the point.

Every drug, especially one as potent as cannabis has to go through a long process of clinical trials and NDAs. This is to evaluate drugs to ensure not only are they effective and safe, but also make sure appropriate QC/QA procedures and policies are in place.

Why should we make an exception for cannabis?

And yeah climatologist orginizations with no scientists working for them. Activists and politicans =/= scientists.

OK I'm sorry. I thought you might of known something about the pharma bussiness. Their havn't been any phase III or IV clinical studies for 2 main reasons.

1) Its a class 1 controlled substance, so you cant even apply for a controlled substance certification for it to conduct the studies.

2) Pharma companies don't see it as being viable and havn't petitioned the DEA to move it to class II,III, and IV.

You seem to be misinformed on the subject

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I don't think I will support that.The_Versatile

So you don't mind pot smokers rotting in jail in a space that could be used to lock up a violent, psychotic thug? Hey, maybe you could let the criminals stay at your house. ;)

Getting rid of the fascination people have with drugs.LJS9502_basic

Don't you drink? That's more dangerous... Don't you have a fascination with imported beers? Sure seemed like it in that beer thread from a few days ago. ;)

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[QUOTE="FuriousGeorge08"] There's no rule that forbids multiple accounts.The_Versatile

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I don't think I will support that.LJS9502_basic

So you don't mind pot smokers rotting in jail in a space that could be used to lock up a violent, psychotic thug? Hey, maybe you could let the criminals stay at your house. ;)

Getting rid of the fascination people have with drugs.LJS9502_basic

Don't you drink? That's more dangerous... Don't you have a fascination with imported beers? Sure seemed like it in that beer thread from a few days ago. ;)

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[QUOTE="The_Versatile"] Some people are fascinated. You can't change that. Should we lobby to get rid of some people's fascination with The Cure? Cause personally, their fans annoy me. :lol:

Don't you drink? That's more dangerous... Don't you have a fascination with imported beers? Sure seemed like it in that beer thread from a few days ago. ;)

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It doesent hurt anybody so I dont see the problem.Sway-

[QUOTE="Sway-"]It doesent hurt anybody so I dont see the problem.LJS9502_basic

Well the TAX PAYERS would save millions upon millions of dollars since we wouldn't have to lock up people for non-violent possession charges. That would be a cost elimination, keep in mind we are in a freaking recession. If we outright legalized it we could tax it and actually make millions on taxes annually, while at the same time also eliminate the costs of locking up people. Not to mention an entirely new industry boom that would come out of it. As of now we can't even grow industrial hemp in the united states... that's how ridiculous this whole prohibition is. Hemp is one of the most versatile and useful plants available and was at one time required to be grown in the united states by every farmer. Hell george washington had 13 crops of it, and we can't grow it on american soil today?

[QUOTE="Sway-"]It doesent hurt anybody so I dont see the problem.LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="Sway-"]It doesent hurt anybody so I dont see the problem.Sway-

Second.....logically if one finds one substance to be a detriment.....why would they advocate usage of another?

[QUOTE="Sway-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]It can and does hurt people.

Second.....logically if one finds one substance to be a detriment.....why would they advocate usage of another?

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[QUOTE="Sway-"] Doesent harm responsible people just like pretty much everything else in the world. Plus doesent alcohol hurt people?Sway-

Second.....logically if one finds one substance to be a detriment.....why would they advocate usage of another?

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[QUOTE="Sway-"]It doesent hurt anybody so I dont see the problem.-xPANICx-

[QUOTE="Sway-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]It can and does hurt people.

LJS9502_basic

Second.....logically if one finds one substance to be a detriment.....why would they advocate usage of another?

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[QUOTE="Sway-"] Doesent harm responsible people just like pretty much everything else in the world. Plus doesent alcohol hurt people?Sway-

Second.....logically if one finds one substance to be a detriment.....why would they advocate usage of another?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]It can and does hurt people.

LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="-xPANICx-"]wrong. its the person stupidity that hurts them, not the plant. also ide like to know what you consideris harmingpeople

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That was a research paper I wrote on the subject 2 semesters ago, sorry if I just blew your mind. It wouldn't let me use my links that were already embedded so sorry.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Not entirely true.

LJS9502_basic

Throwing another idea out there. I think that it is absurd that there are pot heads in jail for being pot heads. It's a huge waste of tax dollars. What we could do is make people who are doing it do community service.

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[QUOTE="-xPANICx-"]im not going to believe a site that says smoking marijuana can lead to schizophrenia and put you in a psychosis.

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im posting this because it shows the true controversy of the marijuana subject. http://www.perkel.com/politics/issues/pot.htm

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Why? Because you don't want to hear it? Drugs effect the brain. That is why they are taken.:|

LJS9502_basic

I'm sorry, but I want people who break the rules of society to be labeled as a criminal -- so in the words of JC from Liar Liar: "STOP BREAKING THE LAW *******" :P

I'm sorry, but I want people who break the rules of society to be labeled as a criminal -- so in the words of JC from Liar Liar: "STOP BREAKING THE LAW *******" :P

Stevo_the_gamer

Best part of that movie.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Why? Because you don't want to hear it? Drugs effect the brain. That is why they are taken.:|

LJS9502_basic

You are pulling biased facts from the drug war czars at the government who have been spreading misinformation about marijuana since the 1940's. The largest study of it's kind done at the UCLA has shown that heavy pot smoking over a lifetime has no visible increase in chances of lung cancer. Do your own research on scientific studies and there are many that disprove what is on the government website.

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[QUOTE="-xPANICx-"]nope, because its untrue. if a person is on a rampage killing innocent people and just happens to be on marijuana then you people blame the pot. a educated person should already know that if marijuana really causes psychosis and addictionlike you people claim, then our country would be full of serial killers looking for there next dime bagof marijuana.

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Throwing another idea out there. I think that it is absurd that there are pot heads in jail for being pot heads. It's a huge waste of tax dollars. What we could do is make people who are doing it do community service.

Guybrush_3

I'm sure there are quite a few landfills that could use some assistance with sorting paper and plastic.

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[QUOTE="-xPANICx-"]im not going to believe a site that says smoking marijuana can lead to schizophrenia and put you in a psychosis.

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[QUOTE="-xPANICx-"]nope, because its untrue. if a person is on a rampage killing innocent people and just happens to be on marijuana then you people blame the pot. a educated person should already know that if marijuana really causes psychosis and addictionlike you people claim, then our country would be full of serial killers looking for there next dime bagof marijuana.

Meat_Wad_Fan

You are pulling biased facts from the drug war czars at the government who have been spreading misinformation about marijuana since the 1940's. The largest study of it's kind done at the UCLA has shown that heavy pot smoking over a lifetime has no visible increase in chances of lung cancer. Do your own research on scientific studies and there are many that disprove what is on the government website.

[QUOTE="Sway-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Smoking IS harmful to lungs. Research will show other medical problems associated as well.

Second.....logically if one finds one substance to be a detriment.....why would they advocate usage of another?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]UH....that is what research is showing dude. :|

LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="-xPANICx-"]this shows how inexperienced on the matter you really are. its like saying "oh you drink alcohol? i bet your going home to beatyour wife and children"

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="-xPANICx-"]nope, because its untrue. if a person is on a rampage killing innocent people and just happens to be on marijuana then you people blame the pot. a educated person should already know that if marijuana really causes psychosis and addictionlike you people claim, then our country would be full of serial killers looking for there next dime bagof marijuana.

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So, because alcohol is legal and it causes people to do bad things, we should counterbalance it by legalizing more drugs? :?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]What does that mean? I gave you a link to research on the topic. It's OBVIOUS drugs affect the brain otherwise there would be no high so dismissing the research seems foolhardy to me. Alcohol DOES affect people. No one said it didn't. Of course assuming everyone who drinks beats their wife and children is illogical.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]What does that mean? I gave you a link to research on the topic. It's OBVIOUS drugs affect the brain otherwise there would be no high so dismissing the research seems foolhardy to me. Alcohol DOES affect people. No one said it didn't. Of course assuming everyone who drinks beats their wife and children is illogical.

LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="-xPANICx-"]i never said it didnt effect the brain, idk why your repeating yourself. dude if you honestly believe marijuana causes psychosis then your delusional and yourthinking exactly what our biased government wants you to think.

Sway-

[QUOTE="-xPANICx-"]i never said it didnt effect the brain, idk why your repeating yourself. dude if you honestly believe marijuana causes psychosis then your delusional and yourthinking exactly what our biased government wants you to think.

[QUOTE="Meat_Wad_Fan"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]UH....that is what research is showing dude. :|

LJS9502_basic

You are pulling biased facts from the drug war czars at the government who have been spreading misinformation about marijuana since the 1940's. The largest study of it's kind done at the UCLA has shown that heavy pot smoking over a lifetime has no visible increase in chances of lung cancer. Do your own research on scientific studies and there are many that disprove what is on the government website.

Where did I say the government does research? They pay companies to do research and who the hell cares what results they get because they can be made-up for all I care. You seem to discredit the fact I posted that a major university had conucted the LARGEST STUDY EVER on the subject and found no increase in risk, how can you just look past that. You really think the goverment uses research out there?

Even though while announcing that the government's National Academy of Science would launch an investigation into the issue, the drug policy office stated that it won't welcome results showing that marijuana is a useful medicine. The national drug office statement concludes, "Our nation's goal must be to reduce, not promote, the use of illicit drugs.