everyone who is against abortions one question

do you play with yourself? you know what i mean

seriously i used to be against abortions but than my bestie told me i shouldnt be as im just as bad as them.... i mean i ahem play with myself alot and yeah i agree as long as im doing that than i shouldnt be judging people who abort as its exactly the same thing just done differently

On the same account you could say women are just as bad as "them" by having their period.jazznate

QFT. The sperm and ovum aren't the same as a fetus. The real question comes down to when you define the baby to be an independent, living being. Christians cite this as being at the moment of conception.

So talking about abortions is the new trend I take it.

do you play with yourself? you know what i mean

seriously i used to be against abortions but than my bestie told me i shouldnt be as im just as bad as them.... i mean i ahem play with myself alot and yeah i agree as long as im doing that than i shouldnt be judging people who abort as its exactly the same thing just done differently

edguybglover

wrong. You were not planning to have kids and you can't accidently have kids. Therefore, its nothing like abortion. sperm is sperm without the female.

So talking about abortions is the new trend I take it.

TristanShand

Ah, new around these parts? Judging by your level and post count, probably noy, but I remember them being pretty big a while ago.

Actually, no I don't. And if anyone doubts me then they seriously underestimate the power of being raised Christian. Not that I think it's wrong or anything, I've just never done it or am tempted too. I probably will some day just for ***** and giggles. But about your point, the question is when is it human. I think it's when it has blood running through it, anytime before that it's ok.VacantPsalm

You have my pity, sir.

[QUOTE="VacantPsalm"]Actually, no I don't. And if anyone doubts me then they seriously underestimate the power of being raised Christian. Not that I think it's wrong or anything, I've just never done it or am tempted too. I probably will some day just for ***** and giggles. But about your point, the question is when is it human. I think it's when it has blood running through it, anytime before that it's ok.Dethshoot

You have my pity, sir.

[QUOTE="VacantPsalm"]Actually, no I don't. And if anyone doubts me then they seriously underestimate the power of being raised Christian. Not that I think it's wrong or anything, I've just never done it or am tempted too. I probably will some day just for ***** and giggles. But about your point, the question is when is it human. I think it's when it has blood running through it, anytime before that it's ok.Dethshoot

You have my pity, sir.

[QUOTE="Dethshoot"]

[QUOTE="VacantPsalm"]Actually, no I don't. And if anyone doubts me then they seriously underestimate the power of being raised Christian. Not that I think it's wrong or anything, I've just never done it or am tempted too. I probably will some day just for ***** and giggles. But about your point, the question is when is it human. I think it's when it has blood running through it, anytime before that it's ok.VacantPsalm

You have my pity, sir.

No, but really try out the whole fapping thing. It's fun.

did u just learn the word 'abortion' in school little boy?

No, but really try out the whole fapping thing. It's fun.

Dethshoot

[QUOTE="VacantPsalm"]Actually, no I don't. And if anyone doubts me then they seriously underestimate the power of being raised Christian. Not that I think it's wrong or anything, I've just never done it or am tempted too. I probably will some day just for ***** and giggles. But about your point, the question is when is it human. I think it's when it has blood running through it, anytime before that it's ok.Dethshoot

You have my pity, sir.

I don't pity him, I envy him.

It feels great when you haven't done it for a while for various reasons, I can't imagine how it'd feel after not doing it at all for many years. ;)

[QUOTE="edguybglover"]

do you play with yourself? you know what i mean

seriously i used to be against abortions but than my bestie told me i shouldnt be as im just as bad as them.... i mean i ahem play with myself alot and yeah i agree as long as im doing that than i shouldnt be judging people who abort as its exactly the same thing just done differently

ff7isnumbaone

wrong. You were not planning to have kids and you can't accidently have kids. Therefore, its nothing like abortion. sperm is sperm without the female.

lots of people have sex and dont "plan" on having kids, either through being stupid (no protection, prevention) or through bad luck (faulty condom)

plus you, you know, might get it on the keyboard then youre girlfriend goes to check her email, scratches herself down there and blammo! she is pregnant!

[QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"][QUOTE="edguybglover"]

do you play with yourself? you know what i mean

seriously i used to be against abortions but than my bestie told me i shouldnt be as im just as bad as them.... i mean i ahem play with myself alot and yeah i agree as long as im doing that than i shouldnt be judging people who abort as its exactly the same thing just done differently

mrbojangles25

wrong. You were not planning to have kids and you can't accidently have kids. Therefore, its nothing like abortion. sperm is sperm without the female.

lots of people have sex and dont "plan" on having kids, either through being stupid (no protection, prevention) or through bad luck (faulty condom)

plus you, you know, might get it on the keyboard then youre girlfriend goes to check her email, scratches herself down there and blammo! she is pregnant!

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"][QUOTE="edguybglover"]

do you play with yourself? you know what i mean

seriously i used to be against abortions but than my bestie told me i shouldnt be as im just as bad as them.... i mean i ahem play with myself alot and yeah i agree as long as im doing that than i shouldnt be judging people who abort as its exactly the same thing just done differently

mindstorm

wrong. You were not planning to have kids and you can't accidently have kids. Therefore, its nothing like abortion. sperm is sperm without the female.

lots of people have sex and dont "plan" on having kids, either through being stupid (no protection, prevention) or through bad luck (faulty condom)

plus you, you know, might get it on the keyboard then youre girlfriend goes to check her email, scratches herself down there and blammo! she is pregnant!

i would agree with you a few hundred years ago, but the fact is we have contraceptives and as a result it is ok to have sex for fun and/or as a physical expression for love.

The way I see it is this: humans want to have sex on a basic level, and this instinct often wins over. 100+ years ago, this is fine; you found a partner, and you needed those 5 or more kids to help you on the farm or run your business. Not only that, but it was cheap to raise a family.

Now, the instinct is still there, but the practicality is not.

In short, the reality of life is trying to curtail instinct, but instinct aint having any part of it. While human nature is telling a woman she is ready for a child, reality is t elling her she isnt. She doesnt want a kid while she is taking college ****s living in an apartement with a casual boyfriend; she wants a kid after she has worked for 10 years and is married to the right man.

Sex cant wait. Procreation can.

With that said, it should be OK to give into instinct nowadays due to various preventative measures, including condoms and, in some (and hopefully only serious) cases, abortion.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"][QUOTE="edguybglover"]

do you play with yourself? you know what i mean

seriously i used to be against abortions but than my bestie told me i shouldnt be as im just as bad as them.... i mean i ahem play with myself alot and yeah i agree as long as im doing that than i shouldnt be judging people who abort as its exactly the same thing just done differently

mrbojangles25

wrong. You were not planning to have kids and you can't accidently have kids. Therefore, its nothing like abortion. sperm is sperm without the female.

lots of people have sex and dont "plan" on having kids, either through being stupid (no protection, prevention) or through bad luck (faulty condom)

plus you, you know, might get it on the keyboard then youre girlfriend goes to check her email, scratches herself down there and blammo! she is pregnant!

i would agree with you a few hundred years ago, but the fact is we have contraceptives and as a result it is ok to have sex for fun and/or as a physical expression for love.

The way I see it is this: humans want to have sex on a basic level, and this instinct often wins over. 100+ years ago, this is fine; you found a partner, and you needed those 5 or more kids to help you on the farm or run your business. Not only that, but it was cheap to raise a family.

Now, the instinct is still there, but the practicality is not.

In short, the reality of life is trying to curtail instinct, but instinct aint having any part of it. While human nature is telling a woman she is ready for a child, reality is t elling her she isnt. She doesnt want a kid while she is taking college ****s living in an apartement with a casual boyfriend; she wants a kid after she has worked for 10 years and is married to the right man.

Sex cant wait. Procreation can.

With that said, it should be OK to give into instinct nowadays due to various preventative measures, including condoms and, in some (and hopefully only serious) cases, abortion.

You realize you're trying to use logic as your reasoning with a pretty extreme christian (mindstorm).

Not gonna work like that buddy.

I don't pity him, I envy him.

It feels great when you haven't done it for a while for various reasons, I can't imagine how it'd feel after not doing it at all for many years. ;)

TreyoftheDead

plus you, you know, might get it on the keyboard then youre girlfriend goes to check her email, scratches herself down there and blammo! she is pregnant!

mrbojangles25

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

I don't pity him, I envy him.

It feels great when you haven't done it for a while for various reasons, I can't imagine how it'd feel after not doing it at all for many years. ;)

VacantPsalm

plus you, you know, might get it on the keyboard then youre girlfriend goes to check her email, scratches herself down there and blammo! she is pregnant!

mrbojangles25

You're right. That would make a great movie.

"The Man Who Didn't Touch" - based on a true story.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"][QUOTE="edguybglover"]

do you play with yourself? you know what i mean

seriously i used to be against abortions but than my bestie told me i shouldnt be as im just as bad as them.... i mean i ahem play with myself alot and yeah i agree as long as im doing that than i shouldnt be judging people who abort as its exactly the same thing just done differently

Dethshoot

wrong. You were not planning to have kids and you can't accidently have kids. Therefore, its nothing like abortion. sperm is sperm without the female.

lots of people have sex and dont "plan" on having kids, either through being stupid (no protection, prevention) or through bad luck (faulty condom)

plus you, you know, might get it on the keyboard then youre girlfriend goes to check her email, scratches herself down there and blammo! she is pregnant!

i would agree with you a few hundred years ago, but the fact is we have contraceptives and as a result it is ok to have sex for fun and/or as a physical expression for love.

The way I see it is this: humans want to have sex on a basic level, and this instinct often wins over. 100+ years ago, this is fine; you found a partner, and you needed those 5 or more kids to help you on the farm or run your business. Not only that, but it was cheap to raise a family.

Now, the instinct is still there, but the practicality is not.

In short, the reality of life is trying to curtail instinct, but instinct aint having any part of it. While human nature is telling a woman she is ready for a child, reality is t elling her she isnt. She doesnt want a kid while she is taking college ****s living in an apartement with a casual boyfriend; she wants a kid after she has worked for 10 years and is married to the right man.

Sex cant wait. Procreation can.

With that said, it should be OK to give into instinct nowadays due to various preventative measures, including condoms and, in some (and hopefully only serious) cases, abortion.

You realize you're trying to use logic as your reasoning with a pretty extreme christian (mindstorm).

Not gonna work like that buddy.

Mindstorm is actually one of the better christians on here. I dont find him "extreme". He celebrates God, he does not fear him. Excuse me...Him :P

Dont give him crap for beleiving what he does. He, from my experience, doesnt give us non-religious folk crap. Sure, he may debate...but he has never been insulting.

[QUOTE="Dethshoot"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"][QUOTE="edguybglover"]

do you play with yourself? you know what i mean

seriously i used to be against abortions but than my bestie told me i shouldnt be as im just as bad as them.... i mean i ahem play with myself alot and yeah i agree as long as im doing that than i shouldnt be judging people who abort as its exactly the same thing just done differently

mrbojangles25

wrong. You were not planning to have kids and you can't accidently have kids. Therefore, its nothing like abortion. sperm is sperm without the female.

lots of people have sex and dont "plan" on having kids, either through being stupid (no protection, prevention) or through bad luck (faulty condom)

plus you, you know, might get it on the keyboard then youre girlfriend goes to check her email, scratches herself down there and blammo! she is pregnant!

i would agree with you a few hundred years ago, but the fact is we have contraceptives and as a result it is ok to have sex for fun and/or as a physical expression for love.

The way I see it is this: humans want to have sex on a basic level, and this instinct often wins over. 100+ years ago, this is fine; you found a partner, and you needed those 5 or more kids to help you on the farm or run your business. Not only that, but it was cheap to raise a family.

Now, the instinct is still there, but the practicality is not.

In short, the reality of life is trying to curtail instinct, but instinct aint having any part of it. While human nature is telling a woman she is ready for a child, reality is t elling her she isnt. She doesnt want a kid while she is taking college ****s living in an apartement with a casual boyfriend; she wants a kid after she has worked for 10 years and is married to the right man.

Sex cant wait. Procreation can.

With that said, it should be OK to give into instinct nowadays due to various preventative measures, including condoms and, in some (and hopefully only serious) cases, abortion.

You realize you're trying to use logic as your reasoning with a pretty extreme christian (mindstorm).

Not gonna work like that buddy.

Mindstorm is actually one of the better christians on here. I dont find him "extreme". He celebrates God, he does not fear him. Excuse me...Him :P

Dont give him crap for beleiving what he does. He, from my experience, doesnt give us non-religious folk crap. Sure, he may debate...but he has never been insulting.

I'm not giving him crap at all. I too know his posting **** I'm just saying, logical reasonings don't usually work well with them.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="Dethshoot"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"][QUOTE="edguybglover"]

do you play with yourself? you know what i mean

seriously i used to be against abortions but than my bestie told me i shouldnt be as im just as bad as them.... i mean i ahem play with myself alot and yeah i agree as long as im doing that than i shouldnt be judging people who abort as its exactly the same thing just done differently

Dethshoot

wrong. You were not planning to have kids and you can't accidently have kids. Therefore, its nothing like abortion. sperm is sperm without the female.

lots of people have sex and dont "plan" on having kids, either through being stupid (no protection, prevention) or through bad luck (faulty condom)

plus you, you know, might get it on the keyboard then youre girlfriend goes to check her email, scratches herself down there and blammo! she is pregnant!

i would agree with you a few hundred years ago, but the fact is we have contraceptives and as a result it is ok to have sex for fun and/or as a physical expression for love.

The way I see it is this: humans want to have sex on a basic level, and this instinct often wins over. 100+ years ago, this is fine; you found a partner, and you needed those 5 or more kids to help you on the farm or run your business. Not only that, but it was cheap to raise a family.

Now, the instinct is still there, but the practicality is not.

In short, the reality of life is trying to curtail instinct, but instinct aint having any part of it. While human nature is telling a woman she is ready for a child, reality is t elling her she isnt. She doesnt want a kid while she is taking college ****s living in an apartement with a casual boyfriend; she wants a kid after she has worked for 10 years and is married to the right man.

Sex cant wait. Procreation can.

With that said, it should be OK to give into instinct nowadays due to various preventative measures, including condoms and, in some (and hopefully only serious) cases, abortion.

You realize you're trying to use logic as your reasoning with a pretty extreme christian (mindstorm).

Not gonna work like that buddy.

Mindstorm is actually one of the better christians on here. I dont find him "extreme". He celebrates God, he does not fear him. Excuse me...Him :P

Dont give him crap for beleiving what he does. He, from my experience, doesnt give us non-religious folk crap. Sure, he may debate...but he has never been insulting.

I'm not giving him crap at all. I too know his posting **** I'm just saying, logical reasonings don't usually work well with them.

ya, well, logic doesnt work too well with the ladies either, but what you gonna do?

c'est la vie, I suppose

I'm not giving him crap at all. I too know his posting **** I'm just saying, logical reasonings don't usually work well with them.

Dethshoot

[QUOTE="Dethshoot"]

I'm not giving him crap at all. I too know his posting **** I'm just saying, logical reasonings don't usually work well with them.

VacantPsalm

im gonna take the middle ground here and present two things I believe concerning argumentation:

1. Logic: logic is good, and it is right. But it is only right until it is proven wrong. And it can be proven wrong at any point by superior logic (i.e. "fact") which in turn can be proven incorrect. Take the shape of the earth; people used logic to deduce the earth was flat, until new information proved it wrong and people logicially concluded it was round.

2. Belief: the foundation of religion it, unlike logic, is mostly hypothetical. And that is great; some of the best life lessons are hypothetical, and the most important things in our life are about morals, ethics, and what-ifs? that cant be proven but feel a certain way.

With that said, either side of the argument is OK so long as they are not taking as absolutes ("I know the earth is flat" someone said 1500 years ago) or literally ("The Bible sort of says this, thus it must be taken seriouslyand not metaphorically" someone says today).

[QUOTE="VacantPsalm"][QUOTE="Dethshoot"]

I'm not giving him crap at all. I too know his posting **** I'm just saying, logical reasonings don't usually work well with them.

mrbojangles25

im gonna take the middle ground here and present two things I believe concerning argumentation:

1. Logic: logic is good, and it is right. But it is only right until it is proven wrong. And it can be proven wrong at any point by superior logic (i.e. "fact") which in turn can be proven incorrect. Take the shape of the earth; people used logic to deduce the earth was flat, until new information proved it wrong and people logicially concluded it was round.

2. Belief: the foundation of religion it, unlike logic, is mostly hypothetical. And that is great; some of the best life lessons are hypothetical, and the most important things in our life are about morals, ethics, and what-ifs? that cant be proven but feel a certain way.

With that said, either side of the argument is OK so long as they are not taking as absolutes ("I know the earth is flat" someone said 1500 years ago) or literally ("The Bible sort of says this, thus it must be taken seriouslyand not metaphorically" someone says today).

HOLY SUNKIST BATMAN!

That's the biggest quote tree I've ever seen!

HOLY SUNKIST BATMAN!

That's the biggest quote tree I've ever seen!

SpidersRMe

Mindstorm is actually one of the better christians on here. I dont find him "extreme". He celebrates God, he does not fear him. Excuse me...Him :P

Dont give him crap for beleiving what he does. He, from my experience, doesnt give us non-religious folk crap. Sure, he may debate...but he has never been insulting.

mrbojangles25

Pfft... I beg to differ. He's a complete fundie.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="VacantPsalm"][QUOTE="Dethshoot"]

I'm not giving him crap at all. I too know his posting **** I'm just saying, logical reasonings don't usually work well with them.

VacantPsalm

im gonna take the middle ground here and present two things I believe concerning argumentation:

1. Logic: logic is good, and it is right. But it is only right until it is proven wrong. And it can be proven wrong at any point by superior logic (i.e. "fact") which in turn can be proven incorrect. Take the shape of the earth; people used logic to deduce the earth was flat, until new information proved it wrong and people logicially concluded it was round.

2. Belief: the foundation of religion it, unlike logic, is mostly hypothetical. And that is great; some of the best life lessons are hypothetical, and the most important things in our life are about morals, ethics, and what-ifs? that cant be proven but feel a certain way.

With that said, either side of the argument is OK so long as they are not taking as absolutes ("I know the earth is flat" someone said 1500 years ago) or literally ("The Bible sort of says this, thus it must be taken seriouslyand not metaphorically" someone says today).

Perhaps that's the case for whether it's 'worth it' to have sex outside of marriage, but when the debate is about whether it's actually immoral, there is not a single successful argument that that is the case.

do you play with yourself? you know what i mean

seriously i used to be against abortions but than my bestie told me i shouldnt be as im just as bad as them.... i mean i ahem play with myself alot and yeah i agree as long as im doing that than i shouldnt be judging people who abort as its exactly the same thing just done differently

edguybglover

OH I finally get what you mean. Oh grow up. Sperm have NO potential until they reach an egg.

PS I'm against abortion. SO many couples who want children and that loving potential is going to waste when terminating.

Perhaps that's the case for whether it's 'worth it' to have sex outside of marriage, but when the debate is about whether it's actually immoral, there is not a single successful argument that that is the case.

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="edguybglover"]

do you play with yourself? you know what i mean

seriously i used to be against abortions but than my bestie told me i shouldnt be as im just as bad as them.... i mean i ahem play with myself alot and yeah i agree as long as im doing that than i shouldnt be judging people who abort as its exactly the same thing just done differently

the_kidisblack

OH I finally get what you mean. Oh grow up. Sperm have NO potential until they reach an egg.

They do have potential. A sperm cell could become a human being. It's unlikely, given how few reach the egg, but possible nonetheless.

[QUOTE="the_kidisblack"][QUOTE="edguybglover"]

do you play with yourself? you know what i mean

seriously i used to be against abortions but than my bestie told me i shouldnt be as im just as bad as them.... i mean i ahem play with myself alot and yeah i agree as long as im doing that than i shouldnt be judging people who abort as its exactly the same thing just done differently

Funky_Llama

OH I finally get what you mean. Oh grow up. Sperm have NO potential until they reach an egg.

They do have potential. A sperm cell could become a human being. It's unlikely, given how few reach the egg, but possible nonetheless.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="the_kidisblack"][QUOTE="edguybglover"]

do you play with yourself? you know what i mean

seriously i used to be against abortions but than my bestie told me i shouldnt be as im just as bad as them.... i mean i ahem play with myself alot and yeah i agree as long as im doing that than i shouldnt be judging people who abort as its exactly the same thing just done differently

VacantPsalm

OH I finally get what you mean. Oh grow up. Sperm have NO potential until they reach an egg.

They do have potential. A sperm cell could become a human being. It's unlikely, given how few reach the egg, but possible nonetheless.

Yes, I know that theoretically any cell could become a human being. What's your point?

[QUOTE="VacantPsalm"]And you know what? With cloning ANY cell has potential of becoming a human being.:o We better not scratch our asses too hard.Funky_Llama

Yes, I know that theoretically any cell could become a human being. What's your point?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="VacantPsalm"]And you know what? With cloning ANY cell has potential of becoming a human being.:o We better not scratch our asses too hard.VacantPsalm

Yes, I know that theoretically any cell could become a human being. What's your point?

I agree, 'tis indeed a weak argument. I think we're on the same side. :P

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"][QUOTE="edguybglover"]

do you play with yourself? you know what i mean

seriously i used to be against abortions but than my bestie told me i shouldnt be as im just as bad as them.... i mean i ahem play with myself alot and yeah i agree as long as im doing that than i shouldnt be judging people who abort as its exactly the same thing just done differently

mrbojangles25

wrong. You were not planning to have kids and you can't accidently have kids. Therefore, its nothing like abortion. sperm is sperm without the female.

lots of people have sex and dont "plan" on having kids, either through being stupid (no protection, prevention) or through bad luck (faulty condom)

plus you, you know, might get it on the keyboard then youre girlfriend goes to check her email, scratches herself down there and blammo! she is pregnant!

i would agree with you a few hundred years ago, but the fact is we have contraceptives and as a result it is ok to have sex for fun and/or as a physical expression for love.

The way I see it is this: humans want to have sex on a basic level, and this instinct often wins over. 100+ years ago, this is fine; you found a partner, and you needed those 5 or more kids to help you on the farm or run your business. Not only that, but it was cheap to raise a family.

Now, the instinct is still there, but the practicality is not.

In short, the reality of life is trying to curtail instinct, but instinct aint having any part of it. While human nature is telling a woman she is ready for a child, reality is t elling her she isnt. She doesnt want a kid while she is taking college ****s living in an apartement with a casual boyfriend; she wants a kid after she has worked for 10 years and is married to the right man.

Sex cant wait. Procreation can.

With that said, it should be OK to give into instinct nowadays due to various preventative measures, including condoms and, in some (and hopefully only serious) cases, abortion.

I'd like to know where you pulled that steaming pile of fail from...

I don't think the point is what has the potential to become human, I think the point is what is GOING TO BE human. A zygote is going to be human, a spermatozoid alone isn't.eloyc

So talking about abortions is the new trend I take it.

TristanShand

I count the 25th abortion thread this week :P

I believe abortion is solely the couples choice, with the woman's welfare coming first.
I would call it a necessary evil, unfortunately there are instances where abortion has to become a feasible option.

Actually, no I don't. And if anyone doubts me then they seriously underestimate the power of being raised Christian. Not that I think it's wrong or anything, I've just never done it or am tempted too. I probably will some day just for ****s and giggles. But about your point, the question is when is it human. I think it's when it has blood running through it, anytime before that it's ok.VacantPsalm

Your head will explode the first time. It'll just be "meh" everytime after that, though.