Everything we know could be nothing more than....

...An illusion.

After all, our senses are just things that help us perceive the world and understand it. But these senses only work arbitrarily on a human basis. When taken out of a human context, they are null and void. Think about the way you are looking at this computer screen. It is, after all, the way your eyes perceive it to be, no? All of our systems of deduction and calculation, our theories, these are all just coping mechanisms to understand our environment.

They are just how we perceive and understand from a merely human level.

Discuss.

I says hes high.

Percive is a confusing word.

All I have to say is: obviously. I grasped this when I was 6 and first started rocking to "Hallowed Be Thy Name".GodLovesDead

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]All I have to say is: obviously. I grasped this when I was 6 and first started rocking to "Hallowed Be Thy Name".DeeJayInphinity

That isn't my point. My point is that it could be an illusion. For example, pain is merely electrical signals travelling from your nerves to your brain. Everything could be different from how we perceive it in reality.. Even though there is nothing we can do about it.

I'm pretty sure Decartes beat you by a couple hundred years to this conclusion...

You're a Mark Twain fan aren't you?cousin_eddy

Nah. I'm more of a George Orwell guy.

Gotta admit it then, its a pretty awsome illusion.

So are you saying if Aliens came here they would see different things.NZgamer007

unless their sense of sight, smell, touch, taste and hearing are like us, most definitely.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]All I have to say is: obviously. I grasped this when I was 6 and first started rocking to "Hallowed Be Thy Name".KOTORkicker

That isn't my point. My point is that it could be an illusion. For example, pain is merely electrical signals travelling from your nerves to your brain. Everything could be different from how we perceive it in reality.. Even though there is nothing we can do about it.

...An illusion.

After all, our senses are just things that help us perceive the world and understand it. But these senses only work arbitrarily on a human basis. When taken out of a human context, they are null and void. Think about the way you are looking at this computer screen. It is, after all, the way your eyes perceive it to be, no? All of our systems of deduction and calculation, our theories, these are all just coping mechanisms to understand our environment.

They are just how we perceive and understand from a merely human level.

Discuss.

KOTORkicker

idk who said it but "I think therefore I am"

Maybe that's why 1 guy on here keeps seeing porn ads on Gamespot but the rest of us don't._Classic_Gamer_

...An illusion.

After all, our senses are just things that help us perceive the world and understand it. But these senses only work arbitrarily on a human basis. When taken out of a human context, they are null and void. Think about the way you are looking at this computer screen. It is, after all, the way your eyes perceive it to be, no? All of our systems of deduction and calculation, our theories, these are all just coping mechanisms to understand our environment.

They are just how we perceive and understand from a merely human level.

Discuss.

KOTORkicker

they are things that could be perceived differently like beauty or a problem but there are certain things that are just facts and you just have to deal with it like that like touchable and noticeable things maybe like your computer screen?

keep sayin' your ideas like that and you may as well be stereotyped as an insane !

...An illusion.

After all, our senses are just things that help us perceive the world and understand it. But these senses only work arbitrarily on a human basis. When taken out of a human context, they are null and void. Think about the way you are looking at this computer screen. It is, after all, the way your eyes perceive it to be, no? All of our systems of deduction and calculation, our theories, these are all just coping mechanisms to understand our environment.

They are just how we perceive and understand from a merely human level.

Discuss.

KOTORkicker

As weird as it may seem, this is all that matters. Things don't get any more real than this.

This topic reminds me of a quote by C. S. Lewis:

"Suppose there were no intelligence behind the universe. In that case, nobody designed my brain for the purpose of thinking. Thought is merely the by product of some atoms within my own thinking to be true? But if I can't trust my own thinking, of course, I can't trust the arguments leading to atheism, and therefore have no reason to be an atheist, or anything else. Unless I believe in God, I can't believe in thought; so I can never use thought to disbelieve in God."

This is a illusion?

:lol: I gonna start perciving the world I want it to be.

Hey, lookie there I 100 times sexy, Obam, Maccain and Bush are my butler, I live in the biggest and most high-tech mansion in the world. I have room full of 100 dollar bills and the world answer to me.Hell, I even got superpowers. *poof*

Damn, dat was a good illusion while it lasted

999realthings

no. not all calculations are just perception nor some deductions.

and obviously we interact with the world dependant on how we perceive it.

no. not all calculations are just perception nor some deductions.

and obviously we interact with the world dependant on how we perceive it.

Ontain

did you just watch the Matrix?moptopskate

probably an intro to philosophy class.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

no. not all calculations are just perception nor some deductions.

and obviously we interact with the world dependant on how we perceive it.

Jandurin

...An illusion.

After all, our senses are just things that help us perceive the world and understand it. But these senses only work arbitrarily on a human basis. When taken out of a human context, they are null and void. Think about the way you are looking at this computer screen. It is, after all, the way your eyes perceive it to be, no? All of our systems of deduction and calculation, our theories, these are all just coping mechanisms to understand our environment.

They are just how we perceive and understand from a merely human level.

Discuss.

KOTORkicker

Really? I've thought about this long ago under the influence and I still didn't even find it that trippy lol.

Maybe that's why 1 guy on here keeps seeing porn ads on Gamespot but the rest of us don't._Classic_Gamer_

who's that...:o

I'm pretty sure Decartes beat you by a couple hundred years to this conclusion...

Jocubus

The point is that the enviroment does actually exist. Normal functioning human beings perceive it exactly the same. It does exist outside of our minds.superheromonkey

So how exactly can you prove that it's perceived in the exact same manner for all beings who have the cognitive capacity to even interpret the supposed environment?

[QUOTE="KOTORkicker"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]All I have to say is: obviously. I grasped this when I was 6 and first started rocking to "Hallowed Be Thy Name".DeeJayInphinity

That isn't my point. My point is that it could be an illusion. For example, pain is merely electrical signals travelling from your nerves to your brain. Everything could be different from how we perceive it in reality.. Even though there is nothing we can do about it.

But you did extremely simplify the OP, no?

[QUOTE="moptopskate"]did you just watch the Matrix?Ontain

probably an intro to philosophy class.

I don't understand why everyone is giving the TC a hard time. Everything he said was near enough correct.

I don't understand why everyone is giving the TC a hard time. Everything he said was near enough correct.

MetalGear_Ninty

Well, while interesting, it was kinda obvious.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

I don't understand why everyone is giving the TC a hard time. Everything he said was near enough correct.

Funky_Llama

Well, while interesting, it was kinda obvious.

The average GS user is smarter than the average citizen, not to mention that the most of the people who clicked and read the OP and was bothered to post, were most likely people who have a reasonable amount of prior knowledge of philosophy.

I just don't get all the hostility. :?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

I don't understand why everyone is giving the TC a hard time. Everything he said was near enough correct.

MetalGear_Ninty

Well, while interesting, it was kinda obvious.

The average GS user is smarter than the average citizen, not to mention that the most of the people who clicked and read the OP and was bothered to post, were most likely people who have a reasonable amount of prior knowledge of philosophy.

I just don't get all the hostility. :?

Yeah, I'd agree that he doesn't deserve the hostility he's getting.