Evolution just a theory and a flawed one at that.

[QUOTE="xMOBSTER23x"]Creationism is a fairy tale and a mediocre one at that.mysterylobster

It makes a lot more sense than the unproven and conflicting accounts science has banded about concerning the origins of the Universe.

[QUOTE="xMOBSTER23x"]Creationism is a fairy tale and a mediocre one at that.mysterylobster

It makes a lot more sense than the unproven and conflicting accounts science has banded about concerning the origins of the Universe.

Nice non sequitur by the way.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

[QUOTE="xMOBSTER23x"]Creationism is a fairy tale and a mediocre one at that.the_one34

It makes a lot more sense than the unproven and conflicting accounts science has banded about concerning the origins of the Universe.

The origin of the universe has nothing to do with evolution.

I was responding to an attack on Creationism. Hypothoses concerning the origins of the Universe apply. Try reading before spewing out these knee-jerk reactions.

Science works with proof, I suggest you look up the scientific method.No, it does not involve reading a book and believing every word in it literally, which I know may surprise you.

Do you really think that the current understanding of the universe is just something someone thought of one night? Its come to this after hundreds of years of research, with some amazing discoveries in the early 1900s.

We've only just begun to unravel the mysteries of Quantum Theory, which amazingly seems to defy all conventional logic. Take, for example, the photon double slit experiment. The same particle appearing in two different places, at the same time.

Or Spin 1/2 particles, now those are interesting ;)

There is a lot of evidence for the current model of how the universe changed over 13.7 billion years, scientists don't just use hunches. and guesses.

I truly despise "Wikipedia Experts."

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

[QUOTE="xMOBSTER23x"]Creationism is a fairy tale and a mediocre one at that.the_one34

It makes a lot more sense than the unproven and conflicting accounts science has banded about concerning the origins of the Universe.

The origin of the universe has nothing to do with evolution.

I was responding to an attack on Creationism. Hypothoses concerning the origins of the Universe apply. Try reading before spewing out these knee-jerk reactions.

Science works with proof, I suggest you look up the scientific method.No, it does not involve reading a book and believing every word in it literally, which I know may surprise you.

Do you really think that the current understanding of the universe is just something someone thought of one night? Its come to this after hundreds of years of research, with some amazing discoveries in the early 1900s.

We've only just begun to unravel the mysteries of Quantum Theory, which amazingly seems to defy all conventional logic. Take, for example, the photon double slit experiment. The same particle appearing in two different places, at the same time.

Or Spin 1/2 particles, now those are interesting ;)

There is a lot of evidence for the current model of how the universe changed over 13.7 billion years, scientists don't just use hunches. and guesses.

Yeah, I'm excited about LHC, hopefully there will be more proof to support the Big Bang theory, or it'll be altered or made more accurate.

[QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

[QUOTE="xMOBSTER23x"]Creationism is a fairy tale and a mediocre one at that.mysterylobster

It makes a lot more sense than the unproven and conflicting accounts science has banded about concerning the origins of the Universe.

The origin of the universe has nothing to do with evolution.

I was responding to an attack on Creationism. Hypothoses concerning the origins of the Universe apply. Try reading before spewing out these knee-jerk reactions.

Science works with proof, I suggest you look up the scientific method.No, it does not involve reading a book and believing every word in it literally, which I know may surprise you.

Do you really think that the current understanding of the universe is just something someone thought of one night? Its come to this after hundreds of years of research, with some amazing discoveries in the early 1900s.

We've only just begun to unravel the mysteries of Quantum Theory, which amazingly seems to defy all conventional logic. Take, for example, the photon double slit experiment. The same particle appearing in two different places, at the same time.

Or Spin 1/2 particles, now those are interesting ;)

There is a lot of evidence for the current model of how the universe changed over 13.7 billion years, scientists don't just use hunches. and guesses.

I truly despise "Wikipedia Experts."

Great comeback. I loved how you defended yourself with thoughtful statements and facts, and closed with a great conclusion summing up why you're right.

[QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

[QUOTE="xMOBSTER23x"]Creationism is a fairy tale and a mediocre one at that.mysterylobster

It makes a lot more sense than the unproven and conflicting accounts science has banded about concerning the origins of the Universe.

The origin of the universe has nothing to do with evolution.

I was responding to an attack on Creationism. Hypothoses concerning the origins of the Universe apply. Try reading before spewing out these knee-jerk reactions.

Science works with proof, I suggest you look up the scientific method.No, it does not involve reading a book and believing every word in it literally, which I know may surprise you.

Do you really think that the current understanding of the universe is just something someone thought of one night? Its come to this after hundreds of years of research, with some amazing discoveries in the early 1900s.

We've only just begun to unravel the mysteries of Quantum Theory, which amazingly seems to defy all conventional logic. Take, for example, the photon double slit experiment. The same particle appearing in two different places, at the same time.

Or Spin 1/2 particles, now those are interesting ;)

There is a lot of evidence for the current model of how the universe changed over 13.7 billion years, scientists don't just use hunches. and guesses.

I truly despise "Wikipedia Experts."

Wikipedia expert? The only time I use Wiki is to research release dates and video games, but thanks.

Very strong rebbutal.

You guys need to understand that getting hyped about the latest scientific flavor-of-the-month isn't going to lead to true wisdom. That can only be found through His Word. Scientific theories come and go (remember global cooling, LOL!) but the word of God is eternal. He's shown us the truth in ways we can understand. The more we rely on the Church of Science and their dogma of the "scientific method" we're drifting further from the path to the truth. mysterylobster

You might wanna stop popping them thar pills.

Great comeback. I loved how you defended yourself with thoughtful statements and facts, and closed with a great conclusion summing up why you're right.

xMOBSTER23x

What is there to rebut? He's just listing various scientific theories without making any specific points. That's the definition of a Wikipedia expert.

You guys need to understand that getting hyped about the latest scientific flavor-of-the-month isn't going to lead to true wisdom. That can only be found through His Word. Scientific theories come and go (remember global cooling, LOL!) but the word of God is eternal. He's shown us the truth in ways we can understand. The more we rely on the Church of Science and their dogma of the "scientific method" we're drifting further from the path to the truth. mysterylobster

Is this really your best reply? Honestly?

Science has brought us clean water, a discovery that keeps BILLIONS of people alive. The Haber process, which produces NH3 which makes part of fertilisers and feeds at least a third of the world's populations. Sanitation, electricity, the discovery of DNA(the most important discovery in the history of man), modern medicine and so much more.

Scientists don't get hyped about the latest "scientific flavour of the month", this isnt the media. It's all about evidence and peer review.

Oh, and dogma of the scientific method? I'm sorry, but if that qualifies a dogma, which it laughably doesn't, it is EVERYONE's dogma because EVERYONE on earth uses the above discoveries on a daily basis and cannot go for more than a day without them.

What is there to rebut? He's just listing various scientific theories without making any specific points. That's the definition of a Wikipedia expert.

/quote

What is there to rebut? He's just listing various scientific theories without making any specific points. That's the definition of a Wikipedia expert.

/quote

Of course I'm not making any specific points, I don't have time to write pages of information, that's your teacher's job. I'm just showing that science isn't about "hunches" but is about evidence, and we are making new discoveries fairly rapidly.

You guys need to understand that getting hyped about the latest scientific flavor-of-the-month isn't going to lead to true wisdom. That can only be found through His Word. Scientific theories come and go (remember global cooling, LOL!) but the word of God is eternal. He's shown us the truth in ways we can understand. The more we rely on the Church of Science and their dogma of the "scientific method" we're drifting further from the path to the truth. mysterylobster

lmfao, this guy has to be a troll pretending to be a brainwashed catholic

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]You guys need to understand that getting hyped about the latest scientific flavor-of-the-month isn't going to lead to true wisdom. That can only be found through His Word. Scientific theories come and go (remember global cooling, LOL!) but the word of God is eternal. He's shown us the truth in ways we can understand. The more we rely on the Church of Science and their dogma of the "scientific method" we're drifting further from the path to the truth. luke1889

You might wanna stop popping them thar pills.

I got a message to you, Rudy. I ain't taking no pills. I don't even use headache medication.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]You guys need to understand that getting hyped about the latest scientific flavor-of-the-month isn't going to lead to true wisdom. That can only be found through His Word. Scientific theories come and go (remember global cooling, LOL!) but the word of God is eternal. He's shown us the truth in ways we can understand. The more we rely on the Church of Science and their dogma of the "scientific method" we're drifting further from the path to the truth. xMOBSTER23x

lmfao, this guy has to be a troll pretending to be a brainwashed catholic

I agree. He's talking like a fanatical lunatic.

[QUOTE="xMOBSTER23x"]

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]You guys need to understand that getting hyped about the latest scientific flavor-of-the-month isn't going to lead to true wisdom. That can only be found through His Word. Scientific theories come and go (remember global cooling, LOL!) but the word of God is eternal. He's shown us the truth in ways we can understand. The more we rely on the Church of Science and their dogma of the "scientific method" we're drifting further from the path to the truth. luke1889

lmfao, this guy has to be a troll pretending to be a brainwashed catholic

I agree. He's talking like a fanatical lunatic.

You should have seen him the previous thread. He argued that God made the earth look old and made the fossils on purpose to LOOK like they fit perfectly together.

How can I argue with that? This guy should start publishing papers!

[QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]You guys need to understand that getting hyped about the latest scientific flavor-of-the-month isn't going to lead to true wisdom. That can only be found through His Word. Scientific theories come and go (remember global cooling, LOL!) but the word of God is eternal. He's shown us the truth in ways we can understand. The more we rely on the Church of Science and their dogma of the "scientific method" we're drifting further from the path to the truth. mysterylobster

You might wanna stop popping them thar pills.

I got a message to you, Rudy. I ain't taking no pills. I don't even use headache medication.

Haha, well that certainly brought a smile to my face. :lol:

I'm kinda proud of you for that. :P

Permission is keep chuntering.

You guys need to understand that getting hyped about the latest scientific flavor-of-the-month isn't going to lead to true wisdom. That can only be found through His Word. Scientific theories come and go (remember global cooling, LOL!) but the word of God is eternal. He's shown us the truth in ways we can understand. The more we rely on the Church of Science and their dogma of the "scientific method" we're drifting further from the path to the truth. mysterylobster

[QUOTE="luke1889"][QUOTE="xMOBSTER23x"]

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]You guys need to understand that getting hyped about the latest scientific flavor-of-the-month isn't going to lead to true wisdom. That can only be found through His Word. Scientific theories come and go (remember global cooling, LOL!) but the word of God is eternal. He's shown us the truth in ways we can understand. The more we rely on the Church of Science and their dogma of the "scientific method" we're drifting further from the path to the truth. the_one34

lmfao, this guy has to be a troll pretending to be a brainwashed catholic

I agree. He's talking like a fanatical lunatic.

You should have seen him the previous thread. He argued that God made the earth look old and made the fossils on purpose to LOOK like they fit perfectly together.

How can I argue with that? This guy should start publishing papers!

Yeah, I read that thread. It was funky stuff alright. Must've found some 'shrooms on the way home.

You can't argue with that. It's too bizarre.

[QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="luke1889"][QUOTE="xMOBSTER23x"]

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]You guys need to understand that getting hyped about the latest scientific flavor-of-the-month isn't going to lead to true wisdom. That can only be found through His Word. Scientific theories come and go (remember global cooling, LOL!) but the word of God is eternal. He's shown us the truth in ways we can understand. The more we rely on the Church of Science and their dogma of the "scientific method" we're drifting further from the path to the truth. luke1889

lmfao, this guy has to be a troll pretending to be a brainwashed catholic

I agree. He's talking like a fanatical lunatic.

You should have seen him the previous thread. He argued that God made the earth look old and made the fossils on purpose to LOOK like they fit perfectly together.

How can I argue with that? This guy should start publishing papers!

Yeah, I read that thread. It was funky stuff alright. Must've found some 'shrooms on the way home.

You can't argue with that. It's too bizarre.

lmfao, that thread was hilarious

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]You guys need to understand that getting hyped about the latest scientific flavor-of-the-month isn't going to lead to true wisdom. That can only be found through His Word. Scientific theories come and go (remember global cooling, LOL!) but the word of God is eternal. He's shown us the truth in ways we can understand. The more we rely on the Church of Science and their dogma of the "scientific method" we're drifting further from the path to the truth. MattUD1

Science can be used for practical things like making sure my toaster oven works (it doesn't, but still), but when science starts to search for true wisdom (where did we come from?, how did the Universe come into being?), it always falls short. With every new discovery comes many more questions. That's why the only way to true knowledge is through His Word.

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]You guys need to understand that getting hyped about the latest scientific flavor-of-the-month isn't going to lead to true wisdom. That can only be found through His Word. Scientific theories come and go (remember global cooling, LOL!) but the word of God is eternal. He's shown us the truth in ways we can understand. The more we rely on the Church of Science and their dogma of the "scientific method" we're drifting further from the path to the truth. mysterylobster

Science can be used for practical things like making sure my toaster oven works, but when science starts to search for true wisdom (where did we come from, how did the Universe come into being), it always falls short. With every new discovery comes many more questions. That's why the only way to true knowledge is through His Word.

What about "the word" of all the other gods and religions? If you're going to be totally objective, you need to realise that every religion has the same credibility as the one you have chosen. Don't let your blind faith deceive you on that point.

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]You guys need to understand that getting hyped about the latest scientific flavor-of-the-month isn't going to lead to true wisdom. That can only be found through His Word. Scientific theories come and go (remember global cooling, LOL!) but the word of God is eternal. He's shown us the truth in ways we can understand. The more we rely on the Church of Science and their dogma of the "scientific method" we're drifting further from the path to the truth. mysterylobster

Science can be used for practical things like making sure my toaster oven works, but when science starts to search for true wisdom (where did we come from, how did the Universe come into being), it always falls short. With every new discovery comes many more questions. That's why the only way to true knowledge is through His Word.

That is how science progresses, by making new discoveries and asking questions. If people simply wrote "God did it", we wouldn't have all the conveniences we have today.

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]You guys need to understand that getting hyped about the latest scientific flavor-of-the-month isn't going to lead to true wisdom. That can only be found through His Word. Scientific theories come and go (remember global cooling, LOL!) but the word of God is eternal. He's shown us the truth in ways we can understand. The more we rely on the Church of Science and their dogma of the "scientific method" we're drifting further from the path to the truth. mysterylobster

Science can be used for practical things like making sure my toaster oven works, but when science starts to search for true wisdom (where did we come from, how did the Universe come into being), it always falls short. With every new discovery comes many more questions. That's why the only way to true knowledge is through His Word.

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]You guys need to understand that getting hyped about the latest scientific flavor-of-the-month isn't going to lead to true wisdom. That can only be found through His Word. Scientific theories come and go (remember global cooling, LOL!) but the word of God is eternal. He's shown us the truth in ways we can understand. The more we rely on the Church of Science and their dogma of the "scientific method" we're drifting further from the path to the truth. mysterylobster

Science can be used for practical things like making sure my toaster oven works (it doesn't, but still), but when science starts to search for true wisdom (where did we come from?, how did the Universe come into being?), it always falls short. With every new discovery comes many more questions. That's why the only way to true knowledge is through His Word.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]You guys need to understand that getting hyped about the latest scientific flavor-of-the-month isn't going to lead to true wisdom. That can only be found through His Word. Scientific theories come and go (remember global cooling, LOL!) but the word of God is eternal. He's shown us the truth in ways we can understand. The more we rely on the Church of Science and their dogma of the "scientific method" we're drifting further from the path to the truth. the_one34

Science can be used for practical things like making sure my toaster oven works, but when science starts to search for true wisdom (where did we come from, how did the Universe come into being), it always falls short. With every new discovery comes many more questions. That's why the only way to true knowledge is through His Word.

That is how science progresses, by making new discoveries and asking questions. If people simply wrote "God did it", we wouldn't have all the conveniences we have today.

But it's been a no-win game so far. What practical applications have come from scientists sitting with their heads in the clouds, wondering how the universe began? None, I expect.

[QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]You guys need to understand that getting hyped about the latest scientific flavor-of-the-month isn't going to lead to true wisdom. That can only be found through His Word. Scientific theories come and go (remember global cooling, LOL!) but the word of God is eternal. He's shown us the truth in ways we can understand. The more we rely on the Church of Science and their dogma of the "scientific method" we're drifting further from the path to the truth. mysterylobster

Science can be used for practical things like making sure my toaster oven works, but when science starts to search for true wisdom (where did we come from, how did the Universe come into being), it always falls short. With every new discovery comes many more questions. That's why the only way to true knowledge is through His Word.

That is how science progresses, by making new discoveries and asking questions. If people simply wrote "God did it", we wouldn't have all the conveniences we have today.

But it's been a no-win game so far. What practical applications have come from scientists sitting with their heads in the clouds, wondering how the universe began? None, I expect.

Research into particle physics has brought us a deeper understanding in medicine(PET scans, anyone?) and electronics. I take it you use none of these things?

Amongst other things, of course.

But it's been a no-win game so far. What practical applications have come from scientists sitting with their heads in the clouds, wondering how the universe began? None, I expect.

mysterylobster

[QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]You guys need to understand that getting hyped about the latest scientific flavor-of-the-month isn't going to lead to true wisdom. That can only be found through His Word. Scientific theories come and go (remember global cooling, LOL!) but the word of God is eternal. He's shown us the truth in ways we can understand. The more we rely on the Church of Science and their dogma of the "scientific method" we're drifting further from the path to the truth. mysterylobster

Science can be used for practical things like making sure my toaster oven works, but when science starts to search for true wisdom (where did we come from, how did the Universe come into being), it always falls short. With every new discovery comes many more questions. That's why the only way to true knowledge is through His Word.

That is how science progresses, by making new discoveries and asking questions. If people simply wrote "God did it", we wouldn't have all the conveniences we have today.

But it's been a no-win game so far. What practical applications have come from scientists sitting with their heads in the clouds, wondering how the universe began? None, I expect.

I'm sure alot of people were thinking that when we went to the moon... :| Just because you don't see any application doesn't mean there is no application.MattUD1

Don't get me started on the space program.

[QUOTE="xMOBSTER23x"]Creationism is a fairy tale and a mediocre one at that.mysterylobster

It makes a lot more sense than the unproven and conflicting accounts science has banded about concerning the origins of the Universe.

I don't think many people are going to agree with you on that one. I mean, you want people to accept unquestioningly that the world was created in 6 days, and woman formed from a man's rib?

You speak of "science" as though it were some mysterious syndicate of anti-Christians, rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of once more leading the world astray. While in fact, the wonderful thing about science is that theories are always open to question and refinement; they take as their bases evidence which is independently verifiable rather than a very old book which demands faith over proof.

[QUOTE="MattUD1"]I'm sure alot of people were thinking that when we went to the moon... :| Just because you don't see any application doesn't mean there is no application.mysterylobster

Don't get me started on the space program.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

[QUOTE="MattUD1"]I'm sure alot of people were thinking that when we went to the moon... :| Just because you don't see any application doesn't mean there is no application.MattUD1

Don't get me started on the space program.

He loves to ignore parts of people's posts he doesn't understand and/or has no response to.

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

[QUOTE="MattUD1"]I'm sure alot of people were thinking that when we went to the moon... :| Just because you don't see any application doesn't mean there is no application.the_one34

Don't get me started on the space program.

He loves to ignore parts of people's posts he doesn't understand and/or has no response to.

I don't think many people are going to agree with you on that one. I mean, you want people to accept unquestioningly that the world was created in 6 days, and woman formed from a man's rib?

You speak of "science" as though it were some mysterious syndicate of anti-Christians, rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of once more leading the world astray. While in fact, the wonderful thing about science is that theories are always open to question and refinement; they take as their bases evidence which is independently verifiable rather than a very old book which demands faith over proof.

jimmyjammer69

And this is why he is wrong.

I'm honestly starting to lose my patience...MattUD1

Too right. This is so embarassing.

Right... This thread is awesome.

Carry on.

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

[QUOTE="MattUD1"]I'm sure alot of people were thinking that when we went to the moon... :| Just because you don't see any application doesn't mean there is no application.the_one34

Don't get me started on the space program.

He loves to ignore parts of people's posts he doesn't understand and/or has no response to.

I think "Ignorance is bliss" defines him well.

Science can be used for practical things like making sure my toaster oven works (it doesn't, but still), but when science starts to search for true wisdom (where did we come from?, how did the Universe come into being?), it always falls short. With every new discovery comes many more questions. That's why the only way to true knowledge is through His Word. mysterylobster

Nah, if we all thought your way we would still be chipping away at flint tools.

So he says that the chance of life arising randomly is too small...

That just makes us that much more unique, doesn't it?

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

[QUOTE="xMOBSTER23x"]Creationism is a fairy tale and a mediocre one at that.jimmyjammer69

It makes a lot more sense than the unproven and conflicting accounts science has banded about concerning the origins of the Universe.

I don't think many people are going to agree with you on that one. I mean, you want people to accept unquestioningly that the world was created in 6 days, and woman formed from a man's rib?

You speak of "science" as though it were some mysterious syndicate of anti-Christians, rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of once more leading the world astray. While in fact, the wonderful thing about science is that theories are always open to question and refinement; they take as their bases evidence which is independently verifiable rather than a very old book which demands faith over proof.

Don't you think belief in science requires some faith, as well? How can we be sure what we're seeing is really what we think we're seeing? I think someone earlier mentioned quantum theory. Didn't that make scientists sit back and say, "wow, now we're going to have to rethink everything we thought of before." You're all just assuming that the current theories hold the answers, or you're just keeping the faith and hoping they will lead to them eventually. We can measure and debate all day, but in the end, all science is giving you is an observation of how the universe SEEMS to work.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

[QUOTE="xMOBSTER23x"]Creationism is a fairy tale and a mediocre one at that.mysterylobster

It makes a lot more sense than the unproven and conflicting accounts science has banded about concerning the origins of the Universe.

I don't think many people are going to agree with you on that one. I mean, you want people to accept unquestioningly that the world was created in 6 days, and woman formed from a man's rib?

You speak of "science" as though it were some mysterious syndicate of anti-Christians, rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of once more leading the world astray. While in fact, the wonderful thing about science is that theories are always open to question and refinement; they take as their bases evidence which is independently verifiable rather than a very old book which demands faith over proof.

Don't you think belief in science requires some faith, as well? How can we be sure what we're seeing is really what we think we're seeing? I think someone earlier mentioned quantum theory. Didn't that make scientists sit back and say, "wow, now we're going to have to rethink everything we thought of before." You're all just assuming that the current theories hold the answers, or you're just keeping the faith and hoping they will lead to them eventually. We can measure and debate all day, but in the end, all science is giving you is an observation of how the universe SEEMS to work.

I don't think that anybody would claim that current theory contains ALL the answers, but what we're looking for is a useful description of our surroundings which can help us, for example, to: cure disease, grow high yield crops to limit famine and generally improve the standard of our everyday lives.

No scientific theory is there as a definitive answer to solve (perhaps unsolvable) metaphysical questions; scientific theories are rather a way of unifying our empirical knowledge to progress to new knowledge. If you don't want to reap the rewards of that, it's your choice.