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#151 Decessus
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[QUOTE="Severed_Hand"]

[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]Okay let me ask you this without the help of God, how did life start? Life comes from life. Sponatnous generation is a midevil belief that has no place in schools.killtactics

Theory of Abiogenesis. Question answered.

how did non living matter get there?

As far as the study of evolution is concerned, what happened before life arose is secondary. Biological evolution is concerned with what happened to life after it appeared. It's indisputable that since life appeared on earth, evolution has taken place, and us humans are part of that evolutionary history.

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#152 353535355353535
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[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Severed_Hand"]

[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]Okay let me ask you this without the help of God, how did life start? Life comes from life. Sponatnous generation is a midevil belief that has no place in schools.killtactics

Theory of Abiogenesis. Question answered.

how did non living matter get there?

the big bang

how did the big bang get there?

scientists have been grappling with that question for decades

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#153 killtactics
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[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Severed_Hand"]

[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]Okay let me ask you this without the help of God, how did life start? Life comes from life. Sponatnous generation is a midevil belief that has no place in schools.Decessus

Theory of Abiogenesis. Question answered.

how did non living matter get there?

As far as the study of evolution is concerned, what happened before life arose is secondary. Biological evolution is concerned with what happened to life after it appeared. It's indisputable that since life appeared on earth, evolution has taken place, and us humans are part of that evolutionary history.

i dont disagree with u at all....i was just asking that guy...
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#154 killtactics
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[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Severed_Hand"]

[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]Okay let me ask you this without the help of God, how did life start? Life comes from life. Sponatnous generation is a midevil belief that has no place in schools.353535355353535

Theory of Abiogenesis. Question answered.

how did non living matter get there?

the big bang

how did the big bang get there?

scientists have been grappling with that question for decades

so i guess his question was not answered.........
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#155 Link256
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I do. Monkeys act stupid and human begins act stupid --- seems rather logical to me.

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#156 Decessus
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i dont disagree with u at all....i was just asking that guy...killtactics

Fair enough. 8)

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#157 353535355353535
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[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Severed_Hand"]

[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]Okay let me ask you this without the help of God, how did life start? Life comes from life. Sponatnous generation is a midevil belief that has no place in schools.killtactics

Theory of Abiogenesis. Question answered.

how did non living matter get there?

the big bang

how did the big bang get there?

scientists have been grappling with that question for decades

so i guess his question was not answered.........

nope
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#158 ninjacat11
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Lol were u live? cuz they dont teach evolution in my school in so calMuffinsKill

If true, that's frightening.

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#159 Gamer556
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If I remember correctly, Adam was made from dirt and Eva from one of his ribs, so it wasn't from thin air aither :)Gog

Ah, dirt. A much more reasonable origin.

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#160 TongHua
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[QUOTE="Gog"]If I remember correctly, Adam was made from dirt and Eva from one of his ribs, so it wasn't from thin air aither :)Gamer556

Ah, dirt. A much more reasonable origin.

You're right, clearly natural biological processes have been triumphed by a God that makes people out of dirt and ribs!

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#161 Gamer556
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[QUOTE="Stealth-Gunner"]Nope we sure can't because whenever we have something that makes god's existence not make sense you can just say something like "God was always there" or "God can do anything".

God's existence is just like the teapot rotating around the earth like diz360 said, can't be proven or disproven but just as silly.

Silver_Dragon17

So God, whop created time and space, would have to live inside of time and be bound by it? That doesn't make any sense.:|

And the teapot analogy is a crappy one. We know that a teapot floating around the sun is ridiculous, and that it simply won't happen, just like Santa Clause and Unicorns. But God is something that is not only possible, but probable; God makes far more sense than a teapot orbiting the sun.;)

But why? Why is God any more probable than Santa Clause, unicorns,or an orbiting teapot? God's existence is just as ridiculous as any of those things.

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#162 Vfanek
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What if God lives underground? That would be so ironic.
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#163 jodamn
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[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Stealth-Gunner"]Nope we sure can't because whenever we have something that makes god's existence not make sense you can just say something like "God was always there" or "God can do anything".

God's existence is just like the teapot rotating around the earth like diz360 said, can't be proven or disproven but just as silly.

Gamer556

So God, whop created time and space, would have to live inside of time and be bound by it? That doesn't make any sense.:|

And the teapot analogy is a crappy one. We know that a teapot floating around the sun is ridiculous, and that it simply won't happen, just like Santa Clause and Unicorns. But God is something that is not only possible, but probable; God makes far more sense than a teapot orbiting the sun.;)

But why? Why is God any more probable than Santa Clause, unicorns,or an orbiting teapot? God's existence is just as ridiculous as any of those things.

Right on, Gamer. Silverdragon, the teapot analogy is appropriate because it's random, arbitrary and, according to the analogy, the existence of the teapot cannot be proven or disproven. Religion, as well, makes arbitrary unverifible claims and insists that the burden of proof be on the cynic - if you can't DISPROVE god, of course he exists.

edit: ... and that's just silly.

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#164 borris_1
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[QUOTE="Gamer556"]

[QUOTE="Gog"]If I remember correctly, Adam was made from dirt and Eva from one of his ribs, so it wasn't from thin air aither :)TongHua

Ah, dirt. A much more reasonable origin.

You're right, clearly natural biological processes have been triumphed by a God that makes people out of dirt and ribs!

The BIG invisible man! In the sky! Who sees everything you do!

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#165 353535355353535
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[QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Stealth-Gunner"]Nope we sure can't because whenever we have something that makes god's existence not make sense you can just say something like "God was always there" or "God can do anything".

God's existence is just like the teapot rotating around the earth like diz360 said, can't be proven or disproven but just as silly.

jodamn

So God, whop created time and space, would have to live inside of time and be bound by it? That doesn't make any sense.:|

And the teapot analogy is a crappy one. We know that a teapot floating around the sun is ridiculous, and that it simply won't happen, just like Santa Clause and Unicorns. But God is something that is not only possible, but probable; God makes far more sense than a teapot orbiting the sun.;)

But why? Why is God any more probable than Santa Clause, unicorns,or an orbiting teapot? God's existence is just as ridiculous as any of those things.

Right on, Gamer. Silverdragon, the teapot analogy is appropriate because it's random, arbitrary and, according to the analogy, the existence of the teapot cannot be proven or disproven. Religion, as well, makes arbitrary unverifible claims and insists that the burden of proof be on the cynic - if you can't DISPROVE god, of course he exists.

edit: ... and that's just silly.

a teapot orbiting the sun can be disproven by many ways. first, no one has seen a teapot orbiting the sun, but teapots are visible. second, no one has ever launched a teapot into orbit. so, the teapot is a ****ty analogy
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#166 jodamn
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[QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Stealth-Gunner"]Nope we sure can't because whenever we have something that makes god's existence not make sense you can just say something like "God was always there" or "God can do anything".

God's existence is just like the teapot rotating around the earth like diz360 said, can't be proven or disproven but just as silly.

353535355353535

So God, whop created time and space, would have to live inside of time and be bound by it? That doesn't make any sense.:|

And the teapot analogy is a crappy one. We know that a teapot floating around the sun is ridiculous, and that it simply won't happen, just like Santa Clause and Unicorns. But God is something that is not only possible, but probable; God makes far more sense than a teapot orbiting the sun.;)

But why? Why is God any more probable than Santa Clause, unicorns,or an orbiting teapot? God's existence is just as ridiculous as any of those things.

Right on, Gamer. Silverdragon, the teapot analogy is appropriate because it's random, arbitrary and, according to the analogy, the existence of the teapot cannot be proven or disproven. Religion, as well, makes arbitrary unverifible claims and insists that the burden of proof be on the cynic - if you can't DISPROVE god, of course he exists.

edit: ... and that's just silly.

a teapot orbiting the sun can be disproven by many ways. first, no one has seen a teapot orbiting the sun, but teapots are visible. second, no one has ever launched a teapot into orbit. so, the teapot is a ****ty analogy

It's a mind exercise. The idea is that the teapot is undetectably small. If it's easier to think about, you can replace it with any iidea/object that isn't capable of being observed, or proven/disproven...

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#167 borris_1
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[QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Stealth-Gunner"]Nope we sure can't because whenever we have something that makes god's existence not make sense you can just say something like "God was always there" or "God can do anything".

God's existence is just like the teapot rotating around the earth like diz360 said, can't be proven or disproven but just as silly.

353535355353535

So God, whop created time and space, would have to live inside of time and be bound by it? That doesn't make any sense.:|

And the teapot analogy is a crappy one. We know that a teapot floating around the sun is ridiculous, and that it simply won't happen, just like Santa Clause and Unicorns. But God is something that is not only possible, but probable; God makes far more sense than a teapot orbiting the sun.;)

But why? Why is God any more probable than Santa Clause, unicorns,or an orbiting teapot? God's existence is just as ridiculous as any of those things.

Right on, Gamer. Silverdragon, the teapot analogy is appropriate because it's random, arbitrary and, according to the analogy, the existence of the teapot cannot be proven or disproven. Religion, as well, makes arbitrary unverifible claims and insists that the burden of proof be on the cynic - if you can't DISPROVE god, of course he exists.

edit: ... and that's just silly.

a teapot orbiting the sun can be disproven by many ways. first, no one has seen a teapot orbiting the sun, but teapots are visible. second, no one has ever launched a teapot into orbit. so, the teapot is a ****ty analogy

Maybe it's an invisible teapot!

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#168 353535355353535
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[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Stealth-Gunner"]Nope we sure can't because whenever we have something that makes god's existence not make sense you can just say something like "God was always there" or "God can do anything".

God's existence is just like the teapot rotating around the earth like diz360 said, can't be proven or disproven but just as silly.

borris_1

So God, whop created time and space, would have to live inside of time and be bound by it? That doesn't make any sense.:|

And the teapot analogy is a crappy one. We know that a teapot floating around the sun is ridiculous, and that it simply won't happen, just like Santa Clause and Unicorns. But God is something that is not only possible, but probable; God makes far more sense than a teapot orbiting the sun.;)

But why? Why is God any more probable than Santa Clause, unicorns,or an orbiting teapot? God's existence is just as ridiculous as any of those things.

Right on, Gamer. Silverdragon, the teapot analogy is appropriate because it's random, arbitrary and, according to the analogy, the existence of the teapot cannot be proven or disproven. Religion, as well, makes arbitrary unverifible claims and insists that the burden of proof be on the cynic - if you can't DISPROVE god, of course he exists.

edit: ... and that's just silly.

a teapot orbiting the sun can be disproven by many ways. first, no one has seen a teapot orbiting the sun, but teapots are visible. second, no one has ever launched a teapot into orbit. so, the teapot is a ****ty analogy

Maybe it's an invisible teapot!

that can be disproven
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#169 borris_1
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[QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Stealth-Gunner"]Nope we sure can't because whenever we have something that makes god's existence not make sense you can just say something like "God was always there" or "God can do anything".

God's existence is just like the teapot rotating around the earth like diz360 said, can't be proven or disproven but just as silly.

353535355353535

So God, whop created time and space, would have to live inside of time and be bound by it? That doesn't make any sense.:|

And the teapot analogy is a crappy one. We know that a teapot floating around the sun is ridiculous, and that it simply won't happen, just like Santa Clause and Unicorns. But God is something that is not only possible, but probable; God makes far more sense than a teapot orbiting the sun.;)

But why? Why is God any more probable than Santa Clause, unicorns,or an orbiting teapot? God's existence is just as ridiculous as any of those things.

Right on, Gamer. Silverdragon, the teapot analogy is appropriate because it's random, arbitrary and, according to the analogy, the existence of the teapot cannot be proven or disproven. Religion, as well, makes arbitrary unverifible claims and insists that the burden of proof be on the cynic - if you can't DISPROVE god, of course he exists.

edit: ... and that's just silly.

a teapot orbiting the sun can be disproven by many ways. first, no one has seen a teapot orbiting the sun, but teapots are visible. second, no one has ever launched a teapot into orbit. so, the teapot is a ****ty analogy

Maybe it's an invisible teapot!

that can be disproven

Prove it

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#170 353535355353535
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[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Stealth-Gunner"]Nope we sure can't because whenever we have something that makes god's existence not make sense you can just say something like "God was always there" or "God can do anything".

God's existence is just like the teapot rotating around the earth like diz360 said, can't be proven or disproven but just as silly.

borris_1

So God, whop created time and space, would have to live inside of time and be bound by it? That doesn't make any sense.:|

And the teapot analogy is a crappy one. We know that a teapot floating around the sun is ridiculous, and that it simply won't happen, just like Santa Clause and Unicorns. But God is something that is not only possible, but probable; God makes far more sense than a teapot orbiting the sun.;)

But why? Why is God any more probable than Santa Clause, unicorns,or an orbiting teapot? God's existence is just as ridiculous as any of those things.

Right on, Gamer. Silverdragon, the teapot analogy is appropriate because it's random, arbitrary and, according to the analogy, the existence of the teapot cannot be proven or disproven. Religion, as well, makes arbitrary unverifible claims and insists that the burden of proof be on the cynic - if you can't DISPROVE god, of course he exists.

edit: ... and that's just silly.

a teapot orbiting the sun can be disproven by many ways. first, no one has seen a teapot orbiting the sun, but teapots are visible. second, no one has ever launched a teapot into orbit. so, the teapot is a ****ty analogy

Maybe it's an invisible teapot!

that can be disproven

Prove it

teapots are made of matter. matter is visible.
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#171 borris_1
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[QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Stealth-Gunner"]Nope we sure can't because whenever we have something that makes god's existence not make sense you can just say something like "God was always there" or "God can do anything".

God's existence is just like the teapot rotating around the earth like diz360 said, can't be proven or disproven but just as silly.

353535355353535

So God, whop created time and space, would have to live inside of time and be bound by it? That doesn't make any sense.:|

And the teapot analogy is a crappy one. We know that a teapot floating around the sun is ridiculous, and that it simply won't happen, just like Santa Clause and Unicorns. But God is something that is not only possible, but probable; God makes far more sense than a teapot orbiting the sun.;)

But why? Why is God any more probable than Santa Clause, unicorns,or an orbiting teapot? God's existence is just as ridiculous as any of those things.

Right on, Gamer. Silverdragon, the teapot analogy is appropriate because it's random, arbitrary and, according to the analogy, the existence of the teapot cannot be proven or disproven. Religion, as well, makes arbitrary unverifible claims and insists that the burden of proof be on the cynic - if you can't DISPROVE god, of course he exists.

edit: ... and that's just silly.

a teapot orbiting the sun can be disproven by many ways. first, no one has seen a teapot orbiting the sun, but teapots are visible. second, no one has ever launched a teapot into orbit. so, the teapot is a ****ty analogy

Maybe it's an invisible teapot!

that can be disproven

Prove it

teapots are made of matter. matter is visible.

What about invisible matter?

Pray tell, what is god made of?

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[QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Stealth-Gunner"]Nope we sure can't because whenever we have something that makes god's existence not make sense you can just say something like "God was always there" or "God can do anything".

God's existence is just like the teapot rotating around the earth like diz360 said, can't be proven or disproven but just as silly.

353535355353535

So God, whop created time and space, would have to live inside of time and be bound by it? That doesn't make any sense.:|

And the teapot analogy is a crappy one. We know that a teapot floating around the sun is ridiculous, and that it simply won't happen, just like Santa Clause and Unicorns. But God is something that is not only possible, but probable; God makes far more sense than a teapot orbiting the sun.;)

But why? Why is God any more probable than Santa Clause, unicorns,or an orbiting teapot? God's existence is just as ridiculous as any of those things.

Right on, Gamer. Silverdragon, the teapot analogy is appropriate because it's random, arbitrary and, according to the analogy, the existence of the teapot cannot be proven or disproven. Religion, as well, makes arbitrary unverifible claims and insists that the burden of proof be on the cynic - if you can't DISPROVE god, of course he exists.

edit: ... and that's just silly.

a teapot orbiting the sun can be disproven by many ways. first, no one has seen a teapot orbiting the sun, but teapots are visible. second, no one has ever launched a teapot into orbit. so, the teapot is a ****ty analogy

Maybe it's an invisible teapot!

that can be disproven

No, it can't be disproven. That must make it true, correct?

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#173 borris_1
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[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Stealth-Gunner"]Nope we sure can't because whenever we have something that makes god's existence not make sense you can just say something like "God was always there" or "God can do anything".

God's existence is just like the teapot rotating around the earth like diz360 said, can't be proven or disproven but just as silly.

Gamer556

So God, whop created time and space, would have to live inside of time and be bound by it? That doesn't make any sense.:|

And the teapot analogy is a crappy one. We know that a teapot floating around the sun is ridiculous, and that it simply won't happen, just like Santa Clause and Unicorns. But God is something that is not only possible, but probable; God makes far more sense than a teapot orbiting the sun.;)

But why? Why is God any more probable than Santa Clause, unicorns,or an orbiting teapot? God's existence is just as ridiculous as any of those things.

Right on, Gamer. Silverdragon, the teapot analogy is appropriate because it's random, arbitrary and, according to the analogy, the existence of the teapot cannot be proven or disproven. Religion, as well, makes arbitrary unverifible claims and insists that the burden of proof be on the cynic - if you can't DISPROVE god, of course he exists.

edit: ... and that's just silly.

a teapot orbiting the sun can be disproven by many ways. first, no one has seen a teapot orbiting the sun, but teapots are visible. second, no one has ever launched a teapot into orbit. so, the teapot is a ****ty analogy

Maybe it's an invisible teapot!

that can be disproven

No, it can't be disproven. That must make it true, correct?

It pains me to think someone will reply with "correct" :(

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#174 ViolentPressure
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Everything about Religion is just an appeal to ignorance, a classic example of a philosophical fallacy.
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#175 Donkey_Puncher
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Yes...that is the theory though as of now they still have no transistional ancestor and no it wasn't neanderthals.

LJS9502_basic

uhhhhh, there have been many transitional fossil discoveries. For this specific "case", perhaps not, but transitional fossils are extremely abundant.

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#176 353535355353535
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[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Stealth-Gunner"]Nope we sure can't because whenever we have something that makes god's existence not make sense you can just say something like "God was always there" or "God can do anything".

God's existence is just like the teapot rotating around the earth like diz360 said, can't be proven or disproven but just as silly.

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So God, whop created time and space, would have to live inside of time and be bound by it? That doesn't make any sense.:|

And the teapot analogy is a crappy one. We know that a teapot floating around the sun is ridiculous, and that it simply won't happen, just like Santa Clause and Unicorns. But God is something that is not only possible, but probable; God makes far more sense than a teapot orbiting the sun.;)

But why? Why is God any more probable than Santa Clause, unicorns,or an orbiting teapot? God's existence is just as ridiculous as any of those things.

Right on, Gamer. Silverdragon, the teapot analogy is appropriate because it's random, arbitrary and, according to the analogy, the existence of the teapot cannot be proven or disproven. Religion, as well, makes arbitrary unverifible claims and insists that the burden of proof be on the cynic - if you can't DISPROVE god, of course he exists.

edit: ... and that's just silly.

a teapot orbiting the sun can be disproven by many ways. first, no one has seen a teapot orbiting the sun, but teapots are visible. second, no one has ever launched a teapot into orbit. so, the teapot is a ****ty analogy

Maybe it's an invisible teapot!

that can be disproven

Prove it

teapots are made of matter. matter is visible.

What about invisible matter?

Pray tell, what is god made of?

there is no such thing as invisible matter
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#177 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Yes...that is the theory though as of now they still have no transistional ancestor and no it wasn't neanderthals.

Donkey_Puncher

uhhhhh, there have been many transitional fossil discoveries. For this specific "case", perhaps not, but transitional fossils are extremely abundant.

LJS was talking specifically of the exact ancestor between humans and the great apes. We haven't found or named the exact ancestor so far. He knows that there are transitional fossils for other species.
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#178 JakeArmstrong
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[QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Stealth-Gunner"]Nope we sure can't because whenever we have something that makes god's existence not make sense you can just say something like "God was always there" or "God can do anything".

God's existence is just like the teapot rotating around the earth like diz360 said, can't be proven or disproven but just as silly.

353535355353535

So God, whop created time and space, would have to live inside of time and be bound by it? That doesn't make any sense.:|

And the teapot analogy is a crappy one. We know that a teapot floating around the sun is ridiculous, and that it simply won't happen, just like Santa Clause and Unicorns. But God is something that is not only possible, but probable; God makes far more sense than a teapot orbiting the sun.;)

But why? Why is God any more probable than Santa Clause, unicorns,or an orbiting teapot? God's existence is just as ridiculous as any of those things.

Right on, Gamer. Silverdragon, the teapot analogy is appropriate because it's random, arbitrary and, according to the analogy, the existence of the teapot cannot be proven or disproven. Religion, as well, makes arbitrary unverifible claims and insists that the burden of proof be on the cynic - if you can't DISPROVE god, of course he exists.

edit: ... and that's just silly.

a teapot orbiting the sun can be disproven by many ways. first, no one has seen a teapot orbiting the sun, but teapots are visible. second, no one has ever launched a teapot into orbit. so, the teapot is a ****ty analogy

Maybe it's an invisible teapot!

that can be disproven

Prove it

teapots are made of matter. matter is visible.

What about invisible matter?

Pray tell, what is god made of?

there is no such thing as invisible matter

Is air visible?

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#179 353535355353535
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[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Stealth-Gunner"]Nope we sure can't because whenever we have something that makes god's existence not make sense you can just say something like "God was always there" or "God can do anything".

God's existence is just like the teapot rotating around the earth like diz360 said, can't be proven or disproven but just as silly.

JakeArmstrong

So God, whop created time and space, would have to live inside of time and be bound by it? That doesn't make any sense.:|

And the teapot analogy is a crappy one. We know that a teapot floating around the sun is ridiculous, and that it simply won't happen, just like Santa Clause and Unicorns. But God is something that is not only possible, but probable; God makes far more sense than a teapot orbiting the sun.;)

But why? Why is God any more probable than Santa Clause, unicorns,or an orbiting teapot? God's existence is just as ridiculous as any of those things.

Right on, Gamer. Silverdragon, the teapot analogy is appropriate because it's random, arbitrary and, according to the analogy, the existence of the teapot cannot be proven or disproven. Religion, as well, makes arbitrary unverifible claims and insists that the burden of proof be on the cynic - if you can't DISPROVE god, of course he exists.

edit: ... and that's just silly.

a teapot orbiting the sun can be disproven by many ways. first, no one has seen a teapot orbiting the sun, but teapots are visible. second, no one has ever launched a teapot into orbit. so, the teapot is a ****ty analogy

Maybe it's an invisible teapot!

that can be disproven

Prove it

teapots are made of matter. matter is visible.

What about invisible matter?

Pray tell, what is god made of?

there is no such thing as invisible matter

Is air visible?

depending on where you live, it could be visible. also, the teapot would be solid, but it is not possible for something to be solid and invisible
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#180 jodamn
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I think this may be devolving into something kinda silly.

The whole point of the analogy is that ANYTHING can be speculated to exist (unicorns, coral reef, global warming, orbital teapots, one god, many gods, etc), but when the speculation is unverifiable, the -burden of proof- shouldn't be placed on the skeptics to DISPROVE it.

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#181 353535355353535
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I think this may be devolving into something kinda silly.

The whole point of the analogy is that ANYTHING can be speculated to exist (unicorns, coral reef, global warming, orbital teapots, one god, many gods, etc), but when the speculation is unverifiable, the -burden of proof- shouldn't be placed on the skeptics to DISPROVE it.

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yeah, but unicorns, global warming, and orbital teapots can be disproven.
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#182 jodamn
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[QUOTE="jodamn"]

I think this may be devolving into something kinda silly.

The whole point of the analogy is that ANYTHING can be speculated to exist (unicorns, coral reef, global warming, orbital teapots, one god, many gods, etc), but when the speculation is unverifiable, the -burden of proof- shouldn't be placed on the skeptics to DISPROVE it.

353535355353535

yeah, but unicorns, global warming, and orbital teapots can be disproven.

... therefore god exists. :D

No, really, do you understand what I'm saying here? If it helps, you can pick your own unprovable speculation.

You're being rather literal to insist that, say, unicorns can be 'disproven' any more than god can. The existence of unicorns can be disproven... painstakingly ... on earth. We would do this by examining every possible place a unicorn could be, and establishing that a unicorn is not there. No matter how much we look, though, we can only be sure that there are no unicorns where we've looked. That doesn't mean there isn't a unicorn planet somewhere 10,000 light years away. The idea of something being unverifiable means that no amount of testing will ever confirm beyond any doubt that it does/doesn't exist.

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#183 353535355353535
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[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"]

I think this may be devolving into something kinda silly.

The whole point of the analogy is that ANYTHING can be speculated to exist (unicorns, coral reef, global warming, orbital teapots, one god, many gods, etc), but when the speculation is unverifiable, the -burden of proof- shouldn't be placed on the skeptics to DISPROVE it.

jodamn

yeah, but unicorns, global warming, and orbital teapots can be disproven.

... therefore god exists. :D

there is no way to prove, or disprove the existence of god. but, quite frankly, the idea that believing in god is just as dumb as believing in unicorns, santa claus, orbital teapots, is really offensive.
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#184 espoac
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I think this may be devolving into something kinda silly.

The whole point of the analogy is that ANYTHING can be speculated to exist (unicorns, coral reef, global warming, orbital teapots, one god, many gods, etc), but when the speculation is unverifiable, the -burden of proof- shouldn't be placed on the skeptics to DISPROVE it.

jodamn
Yeah, I think they're sort of missing the point of the analogy. You can't disprove the teapot in space because in order to that you'd need to be watching an extremely large space simultaneously. Therefore you can't disprove it 100% just like can't disprove god 100%. Of course there's no reason to believe in the teapot though.
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#185 UrbanSpartan125
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I cant believe some people think that we come from monkeys! It's absolutely ridiculus! How can they teach this thoery (which is a thoery is a guess) in schools? Who agrees with me it should not be taught?

EDIT: Bad spelling

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A Theory is not a guess, it is a well tested and proven method in scientific terms, a hypothesis is an educated guess.
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#186 jodamn
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[QUOTE="jodamn"]

I think this may be devolving into something kinda silly.

The whole point of the analogy is that ANYTHING can be speculated to exist (unicorns, coral reef, global warming, orbital teapots, one god, many gods, etc), but when the speculation is unverifiable, the -burden of proof- shouldn't be placed on the skeptics to DISPROVE it.

espoac

Yeah, I think they're sort of missing the point of the analogy. You can't disprove the teapot in space because in order to that you'd need to be watching an extremely large space simultaneously. Therefore you can't disprove it 100% just like can't disprove god 100%. Of course there's no reason to believe in the teapot though.

Right, and there aren't millions of people who worship teapots, which is why it's just an analogy. Let's take another one: god is female. I believe this because I've been taught it from holy books, and I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary. Thus, I believe god is female.

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#187 353535355353535
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[QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="jodamn"]

I think this may be devolving into something kinda silly.

The whole point of the analogy is that ANYTHING can be speculated to exist (unicorns, coral reef, global warming, orbital teapots, one god, many gods, etc), but when the speculation is unverifiable, the -burden of proof- shouldn't be placed on the skeptics to DISPROVE it.

jodamn

Yeah, I think they're sort of missing the point of the analogy. You can't disprove the teapot in space because in order to that you'd need to be watching an extremely large space simultaneously. Therefore you can't disprove it 100% just like can't disprove god 100%. Of course there's no reason to believe in the teapot though.

Right, and there aren't millions of people who worship teapots, which is why it's just an analogy. Let's take another one: god is female. I believe this because I've been taught it from holy books, and I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary. Thus, I believe god is female.

which holy books are you talking about?
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#188 jodamn
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[QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"]

I think this may be devolving into something kinda silly.

The whole point of the analogy is that ANYTHING can be speculated to exist (unicorns, coral reef, global warming, orbital teapots, one god, many gods, etc), but when the speculation is unverifiable, the -burden of proof- shouldn't be placed on the skeptics to DISPROVE it.

353535355353535

yeah, but unicorns, global warming, and orbital teapots can be disproven.

... therefore god exists. :D

there is no way to prove, or disprove the existence of god. but, quite frankly, the idea that believing in god is just as dumb as believing in unicorns, santa claus, orbital teapots, is really offensive.

It shouldn't be that offensive. You're saying that you believe in something with no proof, but others who believe other things, also with no proof, are dumb. How do you choose which combination of unverifiable facts to believe?

edit: and I am sorry if I did offend you. I don't actually mean harm. :D

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#189 353535355353535
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[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"]

I think this may be devolving into something kinda silly.

The whole point of the analogy is that ANYTHING can be speculated to exist (unicorns, coral reef, global warming, orbital teapots, one god, many gods, etc), but when the speculation is unverifiable, the -burden of proof- shouldn't be placed on the skeptics to DISPROVE it.

jodamn

yeah, but unicorns, global warming, and orbital teapots can be disproven.

... therefore god exists. :D

there is no way to prove, or disprove the existence of god. but, quite frankly, the idea that believing in god is just as dumb as believing in unicorns, santa claus, orbital teapots, is really offensive.

It shouldn't be that offensive. You're saying that you believe in something with no proof, but others who believe other things, also with no proof, are dumb. How do you choose which combination of unverifiable facts to believe?

is there a reason to believe in unicorns, orbital teapots, or santa claus if you are not some child?
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#190 trust_nobody
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Believing in God is like believing in Santa Clause and orbital teapots :lol:

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#191 353535355353535
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Believing in God is like believing in Santa Clause and orbital teapots :lol:

trust_nobody

that simply is not true. allow me to explain by asking a simple question

is there a reason to believe that there is a santa claus or orbital teapots?

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#192 jodamn
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[QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"]

I think this may be devolving into something kinda silly.

The whole point of the analogy is that ANYTHING can be speculated to exist (unicorns, coral reef, global warming, orbital teapots, one god, many gods, etc), but when the speculation is unverifiable, the -burden of proof- shouldn't be placed on the skeptics to DISPROVE it.

353535355353535

yeah, but unicorns, global warming, and orbital teapots can be disproven.

... therefore god exists. :D

there is no way to prove, or disprove the existence of god. but, quite frankly, the idea that believing in god is just as dumb as believing in unicorns, santa claus, orbital teapots, is really offensive.

It shouldn't be that offensive. You're saying that you believe in something with no proof, but others who believe other things, also with no proof, are dumb. How do you choose which combination of unverifiable facts to believe?

is there a reason to believe in unicorns, orbital teapots, or santa claus if you are not some child?

Because it makes you feel better about life, I suppose. Isn't the reason for believing in religion?

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#193 trust_nobody
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[QUOTE="trust_nobody"]

Believing in God is like believing in Santa Clause and orbital teapots :lol:

353535355353535

that simply is not true. allow me to explain by asking a simple question

is there a reason to believe that there is a santa claus or orbital teapots?



No, and that's why I laughed. Of course it's not true, it's absurd.
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#194 353535355353535
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[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"]

I think this may be devolving into something kinda silly.

The whole point of the analogy is that ANYTHING can be speculated to exist (unicorns, coral reef, global warming, orbital teapots, one god, many gods, etc), but when the speculation is unverifiable, the -burden of proof- shouldn't be placed on the skeptics to DISPROVE it.

jodamn

yeah, but unicorns, global warming, and orbital teapots can be disproven.

... therefore god exists. :D

there is no way to prove, or disprove the existence of god. but, quite frankly, the idea that believing in god is just as dumb as believing in unicorns, santa claus, orbital teapots, is really offensive.

It shouldn't be that offensive. You're saying that you believe in something with no proof, but others who believe other things, also with no proof, are dumb. How do you choose which combination of unverifiable facts to believe?

is there a reason to believe in unicorns, orbital teapots, or santa claus if you are not some child?

Because it makes you feel better about life, I suppose. Isn't the reason for believing in religion?

how does believing in teapots, santa claus, or unicorns make people feel better about life?
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#195 trust_nobody
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[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"]

I think this may be devolving into something kinda silly.

The whole point of the analogy is that ANYTHING can be speculated to exist (unicorns, coral reef, global warming, orbital teapots, one god, many gods, etc), but when the speculation is unverifiable, the -burden of proof- shouldn't be placed on the skeptics to DISPROVE it.

jodamn

yeah, but unicorns, global warming, and orbital teapots can be disproven.

... therefore god exists. :D

there is no way to prove, or disprove the existence of god. but, quite frankly, the idea that believing in god is just as dumb as believing in unicorns, santa claus, orbital teapots, is really offensive.

It shouldn't be that offensive. You're saying that you believe in something with no proof, but others who believe other things, also with no proof, are dumb. How do you choose which combination of unverifiable facts to believe?

is there a reason to believe in unicorns, orbital teapots, or santa claus if you are not some child?

Because it makes you feel better about life, I suppose. Isn't the reason for believing in religion?



Absolutely, yes. Believing in God is more uplifting than anything else, and I for one would much rather go through life with this belief than crossing my arms and saying "I can't see it so it's not there! :cry:"
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#196 jodamn
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[QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"]

I think this may be devolving into something kinda silly.

The whole point of the analogy is that ANYTHING can be speculated to exist (unicorns, coral reef, global warming, orbital teapots, one god, many gods, etc), but when the speculation is unverifiable, the -burden of proof- shouldn't be placed on the skeptics to DISPROVE it.

trust_nobody

yeah, but unicorns, global warming, and orbital teapots can be disproven.

... therefore god exists. :D

there is no way to prove, or disprove the existence of god. but, quite frankly, the idea that believing in god is just as dumb as believing in unicorns, santa claus, orbital teapots, is really offensive.

It shouldn't be that offensive. You're saying that you believe in something with no proof, but others who believe other things, also with no proof, are dumb. How do you choose which combination of unverifiable facts to believe?

is there a reason to believe in unicorns, orbital teapots, or santa claus if you are not some child?

Because it makes you feel better about life, I suppose. Isn't the reason for believing in religion?



Absolutely, yes. Believing in God is more uplifting than anything else, and I for one would much rather go through life with this belief than crossing my arms and saying "I can't see it so it's not there! :cry:"

See, that actually makes a lot of sense. :)

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Absolutely, yes. Believing in God is more uplifting than anything else, and I for one would much rather go through life with this belief than crossing my arms and saying "I can't see it so it's not there! :cry:"

See, that actually makes a lot of sense. :)

jodamn

No way - In some countries. religion is enforced. Most conflict today is based on religious rivalry and hatred. I can think of plenty more uplifting things than the believing in god fallacy. I would much rather go through life beliving in things that were actually true than placing my faith in some really old book that has had most of its meanings interpreted through translation and skewed to fit in with doctines of the day. The bits that don't fit in the bible's new testament have been ommitted from it!

The old testament/khoran preaches a vengeful and hateful god. Surely this is cold comfort. There is plenty of evidence to tell me there is no god. What about the centuries of destruction, the famines and natural disasters that affect innocents, the injustices in the world at the moment and the variety of other religions, including pre-chitistian ones.

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[QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jodamn"]

I think this may be devolving into something kinda silly.

The whole point of the analogy is that ANYTHING can be speculated to exist (unicorns, coral reef, global warming, orbital teapots, one god, many gods, etc), but when the speculation is unverifiable, the -burden of proof- shouldn't be placed on the skeptics to DISPROVE it.

trust_nobody

yeah, but unicorns, global warming, and orbital teapots can be disproven.

... therefore god exists. :D

there is no way to prove, or disprove the existence of god. but, quite frankly, the idea that believing in god is just as dumb as believing in unicorns, santa claus, orbital teapots, is really offensive.

It shouldn't be that offensive. You're saying that you believe in something with no proof, but others who believe other things, also with no proof, are dumb. How do you choose which combination of unverifiable facts to believe?

is there a reason to believe in unicorns, orbital teapots, or santa claus if you are not some child?

Because it makes you feel better about life, I suppose. Isn't the reason for believing in religion?



Absolutely, yes. Believing in God is more uplifting than anything else, and I for one would much rather go through life with this belief than crossing my arms and saying "I can't see it so it's not there! :cry:"

So, in the aftermath of a nuclear war, if you have to somehow give yourself medical care, you would rather pray to God and ask him to do it, than just getting on with it and doing it yourself?

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Why is there evil in the world? Because God gave us free will? But doesn't God know everything? As such, if he knows I will do something, I don't have free will. Contradiction 1.

If God is all powerful, powerful enough to create life, can he create a stone he cannot lift? If he can create the stone, he's not all powerful, because he can't lift it. Conversely, if he can't create the stone, he, again, is not all powerful. Contradiction 2.

Let us ignore contradiction 1 and assume God knows everything. If this is so, he is not 'perfect good'. If he knows man is going to commit a sit, but does not stop it, he "has the capacity for evil himself", and therefore, is not perfect good. Contradiction 3.

I love the bible :)

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Member since 2006 • 4057 Posts

Evolution theory fails. I think it's ridiculous to believe that just because we look similar to another species that we must have came from an ancestor of them. There is no solid proof, only theory and opinion behind this claim.

Whilst it is plausible, I want some charts, graphs or something which proves so.