Evolution Thoery

Evolution theory fails. I think it's ridiculous to believe that just because we look similar to another species that we must have came from an ancestor of them. There is no solid proof, only theory and opinion behind this claim.

Whilst it is plausible, I want some charts, graphs or something which proves so.

Total-KO

Fossils? Rock strata? DNA? These are not proof to you?

[QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Evolution theory fails. I think it's ridiculous to believe that just because we look similar to another species that we must have came from an ancestor of them. There is no solid proof, only theory and opinion behind this claim.

Whilst it is plausible, I want some charts, graphs or something which proves so.

borris_1

Fossils? Rock strata? DNA? These are not proof to you?

Simply saying "Fossils? Rock strata? DNA?" is not proof, no.

That'd be like Darwin saying...

"Thumbs, ability to make tools, grooming each other" These are not proof to you?

This thread veried off very strangely. Unicorns and teapots? To sum up for you all....physical proof of God existing or not existing is not there. However, what people believe is proof is intangible...and those who believe have the proof they need. Those who don't....haven't. /thread.LJS9502_basic

But this thread is about the theory of Evolution, not the existance of God.

[QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Evolution theory fails. I think it's ridiculous to believe that just because we look similar to another species that we must have came from an ancestor of them. There is no solid proof, only theory and opinion behind this claim.

Whilst it is plausible, I want some charts, graphs or something which proves so.

Total-KO

Fossils? Rock strata? DNA? These are not proof to you?

Simply saying "Fossils? Rock strata? DNA?" is not proof, no.

That'd be like Darwin saying...

"Thumbs, ability to make tools, grooming each other" These are not proof to you?

Very well. Layers upon layers of sediment, rock and sand, making up millions of years of history, with a clear, slow shift from simple creatures to ones you might recognize today? Did these modern creatures just pop out of nowhere, created by God, after the events of genesis?

From successive rock strata:

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]This thread veried off very strangely. Unicorns and teapots? To sum up for you all....physical proof of God existing or not existing is not there. However, what people believe is proof is intangible...and those who believe have the proof they need. Those who don't....haven't. /thread.jointed

But this thread is about the theory of Evolution, not the existance of God.

Did you read my first sentence? Jeez.....always so quick to jump on posts that you never read them first.:roll:

Why is there evil in the world? Because God gave us free will? But doesn't God know everything? As such, if he knows I will do something, I don't have free will. Contradiction 1.

If God is all powerful, powerful enough to create life, can he create a stone he cannot lift? If he can create the stone, he's not all powerful, because he can't lift it. Conversely, if he can't create the stone, he, again, is not all powerful. Contradiction 2.

Let us ignore contradiction 1 and assume God knows everything. If this is so, he is not 'perfect good'. If he knows man is going to commit a sit, but does not stop it, he "has the capacity for evil himself", and therefore, is not perfect good. Contradiction 3.

I love the bible :)

borris_1

The Bible says that God is not all powerful, he has a weakness. Chariots of Iron. God cannot stop chariots made of iron. Just like all super heroes, God has one weakness!

[QUOTE="borris_1"]

Why is there evil in the world? Because God gave us free will? But doesn't God know everything? As such, if he knows I will do something, I don't have free will. Contradiction 1.

If God is all powerful, powerful enough to create life, can he create a stone he cannot lift? If he can create the stone, he's not all powerful, because he can't lift it. Conversely, if he can't create the stone, he, again, is not all powerful. Contradiction 2.

Let us ignore contradiction 1 and assume God knows everything. If this is so, he is not 'perfect good'. If he knows man is going to commit a sit, but does not stop it, he "has the capacity for evil himself", and therefore, is not perfect good. Contradiction 3.

I love the bible :)

drewtwo99

The Bible says that God is not all powerful, he has a weakness. Chariots of Iron. God cannot stop chariots made of iron. Just like all super heroes, God has one weakness!

That's not the point. Firstly, can he make a stone that he cannot lift? Yes or no? Either way, it's a contradiction.

Secondly, you cannot use the bible as a reference, unless you can somehow put it forward as a reliable source of evidence by proving that it was not written by dozens of different people, over hundreds of years, 200 years+ after the existence of Jesus, only to have testaments picked and chosen by big nobs at the top of the church about 500 years ago...ish.

Thirdly, you still have to deal with the other two contradictions.

[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]This thread veried off very strangely. Unicorns and teapots? To sum up for you all....physical proof of God existing or not existing is not there. However, what people believe is proof is intangible...and those who believe have the proof they need. Those who don't....haven't. /thread.LJS9502_basic

But this thread is about the theory of Evolution, not the existance of God.

Did you read my first sentence? Jeez.....always so quick to jump on posts that you never read them first.:roll:

It doesn't matter, you can't "/thread" a thread with a sum up that is completely off topic. The mates above are discussing the theory of evolution, and their discussion has nothing to do with teapots and unicorns.

[QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="Total-KO"][QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Evolution theory fails. I think it's ridiculous to believe that just because we look similar to another species that we must have came from an ancestor of them. There is no solid proof, only theory and opinion behind this claim.

Whilst it is plausible, I want some charts, graphs or something which proves so.

Total-KO

Fossils? Rock strata? DNA? These are not proof to you?

Simply saying "Fossils? Rock strata? DNA?" is not proof, no.

That'd be like Darwin saying...

"Thumbs, ability to make tools, grooming each other" These are not proof to you?

Very well. Layers upon layers of sediment, rock and sand, making up millions of years of history, with a clear, slow shift from simple creatures to ones you might recognize today? Did these modern creatures just pop out of nowhere, created by God, after the events of genesis?

But where is the link between each and very creature in one layer with each and every other creature in the other layers come from? I can't see any evidence of a link.

Simply saying that it happens doesn't make it so.

I added a picture ^^

Why is there evil in the world? Because God gave us free will? But doesn't God know everything? As such, if he knows I will do something, I don't have free will. Contradiction 1.

If God is all powerful, powerful enough to create life, can he create a stone he cannot lift? If he can create the stone, he's not all powerful, because he can't lift it. Conversely, if he can't create the stone, he, again, is not all powerful. Contradiction 2.

Let us ignore contradiction 1 and assume God knows everything. If this is so, he is not 'perfect good'. If he knows man is going to commit a sit, but does not stop it, he "has the capacity for evil himself", and therefore, is not perfect good. Contradiction 3.

I love the bible :)

borris_1

You don't understand the bible...that's okay it's hard for humans to comprehend.:)

[QUOTE="jodamn"]Absolutely, yes. Believing in God is more uplifting than anything else, and I for one would much rather go through life with this belief than crossing my arms and saying "I can't see it so it's not there! :cry:"

See, that actually makes a lot of sense. :)

diz360

No way - In some countries. religion is enforced. Most conflict today is based on religious rivalry and hatred. I can think of plenty more uplifting things than the believing in god fallacy. I would much rather go through life beliving in things that were actually true than placing my faith in some really old book that has had most of its meanings interpreted through translation and skewed to fit in with doctines of the day. The bits that don't fit in the bible's new testament have been ommitted from it!

The old testament/khoran preaches a vengeful and hateful god. Surely this is cold comfort. There is plenty of evidence to tell me there is no god. What about the centuries of destruction, the famines and natural disasters that affect innocents, the injustices in the world at the moment and the variety of other religions, including pre-chitistian ones.

You gota learn more about Islam, lol @ koran has violence. I think Christians have killed more people than Muslims.

There was a lot of problems before islam or christianity or judaism came...

It's just that religion is used as a political propaganda. Hitler blamed the Jews, not because he was Christian and jews killed jesus, but because he had to put the blame on someone aka political propaganda.

Anyways, I'm not muslim so don't ask, and I know there's a lot of bad in the world, in the 21st century places like Africa still struggle.

I'm guessing that it's called free will. Us humans are here, to live our lifes to the fullest. Whether you're rich, or poor, you're being tested, and if you do good, you'll supposably go to Heaven, and if not...then..heh. God doesn't need us, we need Him. People keep giving Him human-like qualities..but he's not human! The Bible acts like He's a Man or something.

Imo life is like a test. Following a religion is like studying the right material to help you succeed. But you can succeed without studying. You can do good in life, aka do good deeds and what-not, that'll give you many "points" for the "test". And if you pass the test, you go into Paradise.

If you're rich, you take a harder test. If you're poor, you take an easier test. You just never know when your time will be up, and you may have to hand in the test w/o finishing it.

Hard to explain...but if you're a good person then good. That's the MUSLIM pov.

Now the Christian POV. You can do anything you want except you need to believe in Jesus as the Son of God. Yah, ok, Son of God, again giving God man-like qualities and breaking the Commandment of "do not perform idolatry". They say you'll go to Hell otherwise.

But yah...if you're a good person at heart and do good deeds, no matter what religion you are, you'll be rewarded.

Conflict today is religious rivarly? No, it's political differences. Religion is used as a tool, aka for one's own needs. And yes Bible has been translated a lot, has incest activities, as well as pornography, and shouldn't be read to a little kid for a bed-time story.

Before you pull one of those verses from Koran where it says to find them and kill them...well, here's a comparison:

Mohammed: Find them and kill them (in battle, what else do you say)

George Bush: Find them and kill them (in battle, duh)

What about the infidels?

Mohammed: kill the infidels (a certain "group" that was harassing them [muslims] )

George Bush: kill the arabs! (a certain group or w/e)

I don't think you were going to bring those verses out anyways you sounded smart and I agree with most of what you said. It saddens me when I hear of a hundred thousand people dieing from earthquakes or tsunamis. But that stuff is never on the News, only stuff like 2 soldiers dieing is on the News, or lol...Paris Hilton's interview was on CNN.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]This thread veried off very strangely. Unicorns and teapots? To sum up for you all....physical proof of God existing or not existing is not there. However, what people believe is proof is intangible...and those who believe have the proof they need. Those who don't....haven't. /thread.jointed

But this thread is about the theory of Evolution, not the existance of God.

Did you read my first sentence? Jeez.....always so quick to jump on posts that you never read them first.:roll:

It doesn't matter, you can't "/thread" a thread with a sum up that is completely off topic. The mates above are discussing the theory of evolution, and their discussion has nothing to do with teapots and unicorns.

And my response was to the teapot and unicorn people...again READ THE POST.:roll: If you have nothing to add then don't add.....for a change.

[QUOTE="borris_1"]

Why is there evil in the world? Because God gave us free will? But doesn't God know everything? As such, if he knows I will do something, I don't have free will. Contradiction 1.

If God is all powerful, powerful enough to create life, can he create a stone he cannot lift? If he can create the stone, he's not all powerful, because he can't lift it. Conversely, if he can't create the stone, he, again, is not all powerful. Contradiction 2.

Let us ignore contradiction 1 and assume God knows everything. If this is so, he is not 'perfect good'. If he knows man is going to commit a sit, but does not stop it, he "has the capacity for evil himself", and therefore, is not perfect good. Contradiction 3.

I love the bible :)

LJS9502_basic

You don't understand the bible...that's okay it's hard for humans to comprehend.:)

So if God is outside human logic and understanding, how can people follow him? How can anyone think they can correctly comprehend the bible if what God does in it is outside of their logic.

[QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="jodamn"]Absolutely, yes. Believing in God is more uplifting than anything else, and I for one would much rather go through life with this belief than crossing my arms and saying "I can't see it so it's not there! :cry:"

See, that actually makes a lot of sense. :)

andyb1205

No way - In some countries. religion is enforced. Most conflict today is based on religious rivalry and hatred. I can think of plenty more uplifting things than the believing in god fallacy. I would much rather go through life beliving in things that were actually true than placing my faith in some really old book that has had most of its meanings interpreted through translation and skewed to fit in with doctines of the day. The bits that don't fit in the bible's new testament have been ommitted from it!

The old testament/khoran preaches a vengeful and hateful god. Surely this is cold comfort. There is plenty of evidence to tell me there is no god. What about the centuries of destruction, the famines and natural disasters that affect innocents, the injustices in the world at the moment and the variety of other religions, including pre-chitistian ones.

I'm guessing that it's called free will. Us humans are here, to live our lifes to the fullest. Whether you're rich, or poor, you're being tested, and if you do good, you'll supposably go to Heaven, and if not...then..heh. God doesn't need us, we need Him. People keep giving Him human-like qualities..but he's not human! The Bible acts like He's a Man or something.

Free will does not exist if God knows everything.

So if God is outside human logic and understanding, how can people follow him? How can anyone think they can correctly comprehend the bible if what God does in it is outside of their logic.

borris_1

Where did I say everyone can't understand it? The Bible's what it is...but you are hung up on the definition of God. Free will means you make the choice...period. Just because someone knows what you'll do doesn't mean you weren't free to make the choice. Contradiction failure...now I'm off to work.

Also, the Buddhist philosophy is also something veryyy interesting. andyb1205

And mostly based on observations of the real world. Very clever stuff, that Buddhism.

Free will does not exist if God knows everything.

borris_1

Incorrect.......you don't understand the term...as evolution...there are still missing transistional fossils so it's not a straight line but a theory that is more probable than not. Not perfect though.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]This thread veried off very strangely. Unicorns and teapots? To sum up for you all....physical proof of God existing or not existing is not there. However, what people believe is proof is intangible...and those who believe have the proof they need. Those who don't....haven't. /thread.LJS9502_basic

But this thread is about the theory of Evolution, not the existance of God.

Did you read my first sentence? Jeez.....always so quick to jump on posts that you never read them first.:roll:

It doesn't matter, you can't "/thread" a thread with a sum up that is completely off topic. The mates above are discussing the theory of evolution, and their discussion has nothing to do with teapots and unicorns.

And my response was to the teapot and unicorn people...again READ THE POST.:roll: If you have nothing to add then don't add.....for a change.

Ok, so you just "/thread'ed" the "teapot and unicorn people"? As for your last comment.... I goes for you too mate.

[QUOTE="borris_1"]

So if God is outside human logic and understanding, how can people follow him? How can anyone think they can correctly comprehend the bible if what God does in it is outside of their logic.

LJS9502_basic

Where did I say everyone can't understand it? The Bible's what it is...but you are hung up on the definition of God. Free will means you make the choice...period. Just because someone knows what you'll do doesn't mean you weren't free to make the choice. Contradiction failure...now I'm off to work.

It would your choice to change what you do, if it were free will. If God sees that I will go to hell, and I know he knows this, there is nothing I could do, even being the nicest human that ever lived, to stop myself going to hell. There is nothing I, or anyone else, could do to change what God knows.

[QUOTE="drewtwo99"][QUOTE="borris_1"]

Why is there evil in the world? Because God gave us free will? But doesn't God know everything? As such, if he knows I will do something, I don't have free will. Contradiction 1.

If God is all powerful, powerful enough to create life, can he create a stone he cannot lift? If he can create the stone, he's not all powerful, because he can't lift it. Conversely, if he can't create the stone, he, again, is not all powerful. Contradiction 2.

Let us ignore contradiction 1 and assume God knows everything. If this is so, he is not 'perfect good'. If he knows man is going to commit a sit, but does not stop it, he "has the capacity for evil himself", and therefore, is not perfect good. Contradiction 3.

I love the bible :)

borris_1

The Bible says that God is not all powerful, he has a weakness. Chariots of Iron. God cannot stop chariots made of iron. Just like all super heroes, God has one weakness!

That's not the point. Firstly, can he make a stone that he cannot lift? Yes or no? Either way, it's a contradiction.

Secondly, you cannot use the bible as a reference, unless you can somehow put it forward as a reliable source of evidence by proving that it was not written by dozens of different people, over hundreds of years, 200 years+ after the existence of Jesus, only to have testaments picked and chosen by big nobs at the top of the church about 500 years ago...ish.

Thirdly, you still have to deal with the other two contradictions.

I was making a joke. Wow. Please, lighten up.

[QUOTE="andyb1205"][QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="jodamn"]Absolutely, yes. Believing in God is more uplifting than anything else, and I for one would much rather go through life with this belief than crossing my arms and saying "I can't see it so it's not there! :cry:"

See, that actually makes a lot of sense. :)

borris_1

No way - In some countries. religion is enforced. Most conflict today is based on religious rivalry and hatred. I can think of plenty more uplifting things than the believing in god fallacy. I would much rather go through life beliving in things that were actually true than placing my faith in some really old book that has had most of its meanings interpreted through translation and skewed to fit in with doctines of the day. The bits that don't fit in the bible's new testament have been ommitted from it!

The old testament/khoran preaches a vengeful and hateful god. Surely this is cold comfort. There is plenty of evidence to tell me there is no god. What about the centuries of destruction, the famines and natural disasters that affect innocents, the injustices in the world at the moment and the variety of other religions, including pre-chitistian ones.

I'm guessing that it's called free will. Us humans are here, to live our lifes to the fullest. Whether you're rich, or poor, you're being tested, and if you do good, you'll supposably go to Heaven, and if not...then..heh. God doesn't need us, we need Him. People keep giving Him human-like qualities..but he's not human! The Bible acts like He's a Man or something.

Free will does not exist if God knows everything.

Muslims I think believe that God knows when your "end" is but He does not know if a newborn child will be good or not. That's free will.

[QUOTE="andyb1205"]Also, the Buddhist philosophy is also something veryyy interesting. borris_1

And mostly based on observations of the real world. Very clever stuff, that Buddhism.

Reincarnation is based off of real world observations?

[QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="andyb1205"][QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="jodamn"]Absolutely, yes. Believing in God is more uplifting than anything else, and I for one would much rather go through life with this belief than crossing my arms and saying "I can't see it so it's not there! :cry:"

See, that actually makes a lot of sense. :)

andyb1205

No way - In some countries. religion is enforced. Most conflict today is based on religious rivalry and hatred. I can think of plenty more uplifting things than the believing in god fallacy. I would much rather go through life beliving in things that were actually true than placing my faith in some really old book that has had most of its meanings interpreted through translation and skewed to fit in with doctines of the day. The bits that don't fit in the bible's new testament have been ommitted from it!

The old testament/khoran preaches a vengeful and hateful god. Surely this is cold comfort. There is plenty of evidence to tell me there is no god. What about the centuries of destruction, the famines and natural disasters that affect innocents, the injustices in the world at the moment and the variety of other religions, including pre-chitistian ones.

I'm guessing that it's called free will. Us humans are here, to live our lifes to the fullest. Whether you're rich, or poor, you're being tested, and if you do good, you'll supposably go to Heaven, and if not...then..heh. God doesn't need us, we need Him. People keep giving Him human-like qualities..but he's not human! The Bible acts like He's a Man or something.

Free will does not exist if God knows everything.

Muslims I think believe that God knows when your "end" is but He does not know if a newborn child will be good or not. That's free will.

I think this is true for Muslims, yes, though I'm afraid I don't have any Muslim friends to confirm that with.

[QUOTE="borris_1"]

[QUOTE="andyb1205"]Also, the Buddhist philosophy is also something veryyy interesting. Rhazakna

And mostly based on observations of the real world. Very clever stuff, that Buddhism.

Reincarnation is based off of real world observations?

Mm, see that is where it starts to fail. I carefully placed 'mostly' in my post, specifically to save myself from the reincarnation thing. One of the reasons I'm not a buddhist ^^

[QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="drewtwo99"][QUOTE="borris_1"]

Why is there evil in the world? Because God gave us free will? But doesn't God know everything? As such, if he knows I will do something, I don't have free will. Contradiction 1.

If God is all powerful, powerful enough to create life, can he create a stone he cannot lift? If he can create the stone, he's not all powerful, because he can't lift it. Conversely, if he can't create the stone, he, again, is not all powerful. Contradiction 2.

Let us ignore contradiction 1 and assume God knows everything. If this is so, he is not 'perfect good'. If he knows man is going to commit a sit, but does not stop it, he "has the capacity for evil himself", and therefore, is not perfect good. Contradiction 3.

I love the bible :)

drewtwo99

The Bible says that God is not all powerful, he has a weakness. Chariots of Iron. God cannot stop chariots made of iron. Just like all super heroes, God has one weakness!

That's not the point. Firstly, can he make a stone that he cannot lift? Yes or no? Either way, it's a contradiction.

Secondly, you cannot use the bible as a reference, unless you can somehow put it forward as a reliable source of evidence by proving that it was not written by dozens of different people, over hundreds of years, 200 years+ after the existence of Jesus, only to have testaments picked and chosen by big nobs at the top of the church about 500 years ago...ish.

Thirdly, you still have to deal with the other two contradictions.

I was making a joke. Wow. Please, lighten up.

I apologise, but it's hard to tell in writing ^^

My bad :)

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="borris_1"]

[QUOTE="andyb1205"]Also, the Buddhist philosophy is also something veryyy interesting. borris_1

And mostly based on observations of the real world. Very clever stuff, that Buddhism.

Reincarnation is based off of real world observations?

Mm, see that is where it starts to fail. I carefully placed 'mostly' in my post, specifically to save myself from the reincarnation thing. One of the reasons I'm not a buddhist ^^

There are Buddhists who don't believe in it, but that's their central belief. If you think it starts to fail at belief in reincarnation, then it starts to fail at the begining.

[QUOTE="borris_1"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="borris_1"]

[QUOTE="andyb1205"]Also, the Buddhist philosophy is also something veryyy interesting. Rhazakna

And mostly based on observations of the real world. Very clever stuff, that Buddhism.

Reincarnation is based off of real world observations?

Mm, see that is where it starts to fail. I carefully placed 'mostly' in my post, specifically to save myself from the reincarnation thing. One of the reasons I'm not a buddhist ^^

There are Buddhists who don't believe in it, but that's their central belief. If you think it starts to fail at belief in reincarnation, then it starts to fail at the begining.

If you look at my post that way, yes. But many of buddhism's other main beliefs, my favourite being that nothing is constant for eternity, can be seen in the real world.

I apologise, but it's hard to tell in writing ^^

My bad :)

borris_1

Hehe, guess I need to work on being funnier. However, if you ever run into God now you know what you'll need to defeat him!

This thread is proof that religious threads fail on the internet.selbie

/thread

^^

Free will does not exist if God knows everything.

borris_1

The way I understand it, just because it's known what you'll do, doesn't mean you're forced to do it. You could've chosen differently, you just didn't.

[QUOTE="borris_1"]

Free will does not exist if God knows everything.

Rhazakna

The way I understand it, just because it's known what you'll do, doesn't mean you're forced to do it. You could've chosen differently, you just didn't.

If you chose differently, God would already know the outcome. What he knows will happen, happens, no matter how many times you change something.

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="borris_1"]

Free will does not exist if God knows everything.

borris_1

The way I understand it, just because it's known what you'll do, doesn't mean you're forced to do it. You could've chosen differently, you just didn't.

If you chose differently, God would already know the outcome. What he knows will happen, happens, no matter how many times you change something.

I mean chose differently in more theoretical terms. Besides, Christian philosophers have been rejecting free will for ages.

these threads are so freaking idiotic... this debate has been going on since the 1800s, what the hell is a thread on an internet forum going to change?

people have their own beliefs, putting others down for what they believe or don't believe in is the most childish thing you can do. get over it, not everyone shares your beliefs and opinions.

oh my god! someone doesn't believe in the same thing as you! you must be like the first person ever to have a contrasting belief with someone!

if you want to feel good about your belief, don't talk to anyone about it.

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="borris_1"]

Free will does not exist if God knows everything.

borris_1

The way I understand it, just because it's known what you'll do, doesn't mean you're forced to do it. You could've chosen differently, you just didn't.

If you chose differently, God would already know the outcome. What he knows will happen, happens, no matter how many times you change something.

What's the point of life then if God knows if a newborn child will go to Heaven or not? lol.

Also, for the reincarnation thing it's something like if you were good in your previous birth then you'll live a good life. If you've got a disability you probably did bad in your previous birth, that doesn't make sense lol. That's the same for Hinduism too, it's called Karma, or something like that? Forgot.

You contradict yourself by saying there is no violence in the khoran, the quoting some! I can disount anything Bush says as he's a born again christian - not the sort of rational being I'd like to see in power in the USA.

Pascal's wager states that your view on following life for a test at the end is a bad decision. For example, if you believe in the wrong god, many religions would see that as a terrible sin, so you may be cast into "damnation" if they are right and you are wrong. If you live your life being a good person, then this "fabled" test at the end should see you though as you say, so what is the point in believing in any gods?

You may argue that our good behaviour is moddeled on the bible or khroan. I'd say that's crap, as societies in pre-christian eras had the same social constructs and morals that we see today.

There were problems before organised religion, but organised religion has solved none of them - in fact its made things worse!

You seem to encapsulate all christian and mohammadian views globally, but this is a falsehood. There are many conflicting varieties of christianity and of islam, so there is no general concensus between them. For example, some extreme catholics would disagree entirely with anglicans over the content of the bible and how its been interpreted.

I believe things that sound reasonanble. Bible stories sound entirely unreasonable and when I question them, I'm met with derision rather than proof.

I do know lots about the khoran, as I do continually question my own views and do compare them to religious doctrine. The khoran states that if you want to question your mohammadan religion, ask an imaam (religious leader). It goes on to say that you should not disuss your religious doubts with infidels. What more evidence of a self-perpetuating littany of lies do you need? Not to mention the outright oppression of women and the refusal to participate in democracy and fairness in preference to sharia (religious) law.

Evolution theory fails. I think it's ridiculous to believe that just because we look similar to another species that we must have came from an ancestor of them. There is no solid proof, only theory and opinion behind this claim.

Whilst it is plausible, I want some charts, graphs or something which proves so.

Total-KO

There is solid proof, you just haven't taken the time to look for it.

Incorrect.......you don't understand the term...as evolution...there are still missing transistional fossils so it's not a straight line but a theory that is more probable than not. Not perfect though.

LJS9502_basic

The lack of transitional fossils does nothing to hurt evolutionary theory. Evolution is the only reasonable explanation for the diversity of life. The amount of available evidence that exists that does support evolution makes it as close to a 100% certainty as any scientific theory ever can be. To believe that evolution doesn't really happen is silly and just shows that one is either ignorant, unintelligent, stubborn, or deceitful.

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Incorrect.......you don't understand the term...as evolution...there are still missing transistional fossils so it's not a straight line but a theory that is more probable than not. Not perfect though.

Decessus

The lack of transitional fossils does nothing to hurt evolutionary theory. Evolution is the only reasonable explanation for the diversity of life. The amount of available evidence that exists that does support evolution makes it as close to a 100% certainty as any scientific theory ever can be. To believe that evolution doesn't really happen is silly and just shows that one is either ignorant, unintelligent, stubborn, or deceitful.

or religious!

Evolution theory fails. I think it's ridiculous to believe that just because we look similar to another species that we must have came from an ancestor of them. There is no solid proof, only theory and opinion behind this claim.

Whilst it is plausible, I want some charts, graphs or something which proves so.

Total-KO

or religious!

diz360

I don't believe that. I think you can believe that evolution is in fact true and at the same time be religious.

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or religious!

Decessus

I don't believe that. I think you can believe that evolution is in fact true and at the same time be religious.

Do any religious faiths support evolution?

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or religious!

diz360

I don't believe that. I think you can believe that evolution is in fact true and at the same time be religious.

Do any religious faiths support evolution?

Im a christian, and I believe in evolution