Ex police officer kills son after mistaking him for a burglar.

You're more likely to kill a family member than an intruder with a gun purchased for self defense.

*waits to hear 2nd amendment sheep cry*

TopTierHustler

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

Obligatory "f*** da (former) police!" post.

Seriously though, this is what I hate about gun culture. Somebody walks in your back door and your first response is to blow their brains out? Really? Did he not even think to identify the person entering his house? For f*** sake, how can it not cross your mind that it may be someone you know!?

theone86

I was visiting my uncle's house one time and I arrived late at night because I had to work before driving three hours to his place. They were expecting me, they just didn't know at what time I would be there. I had a key, let myself in, and basically went straight to bed. The next morning he told me he almost shot me.

It's seriously f*cking stupid when that's your first reaction. I feel sad for the kid and his family, not for the dad. This is Darwin award-esque stupidity, you act like a moron and now you have a dead kid, congratulations. If you want to keep a gun at home for protection I hvae no problem with that, but you have to keep the paranoia in check.

Very tragic.

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Out of all places you shoot someone in the head? I wouldn't even do that to a burglar, I'd go for the chest or leg, knee cap if I could.Chaos_HL21

When you pull your weapon out you need to shoot to kill. Head or chest. This isn't a video game, aiming for the legs or knee caps will get you killed or someone else killed.

You'd be surprised how much a blown-out kneecap hampers your ability to stand.

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

Obligatory "f*** da (former) police!" post.

Seriously though, this is what I hate about gun culture. Somebody walks in your back door and your first response is to blow their brains out? Really? Did he not even think to identify the person entering his house? For f*** sake, how can it not cross your mind that it may be someone you know!?

theone86

I was visiting my uncle's house one time and I arrived late at night because I had to work before driving three hours to his place. They were expecting me, they just didn't know at what time I would be there. I had a key, let myself in, and basically went straight to bed. The next morning he told me he almost shot me.

It's seriously f*cking stupid when that's your first reaction. I feel sad for the kid and his family, not for the dad. This is Darwin award-esque stupidity, you act like a moron and now you have a dead kid, congratulations. If you want to keep a gun at home for protection I hvae no problem with that, but you have to keep the paranoia in check.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]but it is entirely possible to use a gun without having to kill someone.airshocker

Guns are only used when you have to use deadly force. What don't you understand about that?

>Google "Deterrence"

>???????????

>Profit

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

Very tragic.

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Out of all places you shoot someone in the head? I wouldn't even do that to a burglar, I'd go for the chest or leg, knee cap if I could.THE_DRUGGIE

When you pull your weapon out you need to shoot to kill. Head or chest. This isn't a video game, aiming for the legs or knee caps will get you killed or someone else killed.

You'd be surprised how much a blown-out kneecap hampers your ability to stand.

>Google "Deterrence"

>???????????

>Profit

ClassicRockFTW

I don't know what land you hail from, but it's illegal for cops in the US to threaten somebody with their firearm. For instance it's illegal for me to just whip out my service weapon and point it at you for no reason.

in what kind of incidents do you think someone should use deadly force.Lonelynight

When you believe yourself or others to be in danger of death or serious bodily harm, to prevent the escape of a fugitive from justice, to prevent the commission of a crime, etc. There are a few more, but I'm not going to waste too much time trying to type them out. You can google it, if you want.

Knew some gun hater would claw at the story and try to opress gun culture.

Things happens, Its sad but accidnets occur from time to time. That doesnt give no reasonable justification of relieveing 88 million Gun owners.

Knew some gun hater would claw at the story and try to opress gun culture.

Things happens, Its sad but accidnets occur from time to time. That doesnt give no reasonable justification of relieveing 88 million Gun owners.

Kamekazi_69

That's very sad, I'm all for the right for people to own guns and use them to defend themselves when truly necessary but for f*cks sake this could have been very easily avoided if the man would have used some restraint

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]

Knew some gun hater would claw at the story and try to opress gun culture.

Things happens, Its sad but accidnets occur from time to time. That doesnt give no reasonable justification of relieveing 88 million Gun owners.

l4dak47

[QUOTE="ClassicRockFTW"]

>Google "Deterrence"

>???????????

>Profit

airshocker

I don't know what land you hail from, but it's illegal for cops in the US to threaten somebody with their firearm. For instance it's illegal for me to just whip out my service weapon and point it at you for no reason.

It's not a threat it's a warning. Something that be clearly conveyed, you don't want the person to be shot but if still carries on loading his gun, swinging his knife then yes you might have to shoot him, but not in the head obviously.

Out of all places you shoot someone in the head? I wouldn't even do that to a burglar, I'd go for the chest or leg, knee cap if I could.Fightingfan

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

Obligatory "f*** da (former) police!" post.

Seriously though, this is what I hate about gun culture. Somebody walks in your back door and your first response is to blow their brains out? Really? Did he not even think to identify the person entering his house? For f*** sake, how can it not cross your mind that it may be someone you know!?

lundy86_4

Have you been in that situation? If you're not exppecting somebody... Why would you assume it's someone you know. Even asking could be the difference between life and death.

One of the main rules of firearms: know what you're shooting at.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]but it is entirely possible to use a gun without having to kill someone.Lonelynight

Guns are only used when you have to use deadly force. What don't you understand about that?

Never pull out a gun unless you're prepaired to use lethal force. That's what guns are for. Shooting to wound is Hollywood bullsh*t.

Knew some gun hater would claw at the story and try to opress gun culture.

Things happens, Its sad but accidnets occur from time to time. That doesnt give no reasonable justification of relieveing 88 million Gun owners.

Kamekazi_69

Relax, no one's trying to pry your gun out of your hand.

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]

Knew some gun hater would claw at the story and try to opress gun culture.

Things happens, Its sad but accidnets occur from time to time. That doesnt give no reasonable justification of relieveing 88 million Gun owners.

worlock77

Relax, no one's trying to pry your gun out of your hand.

For some reason I already knew this happened in the USA when I read "Ex police officer kills".

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]

Knew some gun hater would claw at the story and try to opress gun culture.

Things happens, Its sad but accidnets occur from time to time. That doesnt give no reasonable justification of relieveing 88 million Gun owners.

Kamekazi_69

Relax, no one's trying to pry your gun out of your hand.

And nobody is trying to oppress gun owners, so relax.

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Relax, no one's trying to pry your gun out of your hand.

worlock77

And nobody is trying to oppress gun owners, so relax.

What if his son was a burglar? :o I don't agree with the cop's methods, but he did what he had to do. The split second it takes to identify the person (even checking if they are armed or not) can be life or death if the man did have a gun.NiKva

No, that split second can mean life or death for an innocent bystander. The man was careless and irresponsible and now he gets to live the rest of his life knowing that he killed his own son because of his carelessness. If you're willing to pull the trigger without knowing who's standing in the path of that bullet then you have no business owning a firearm.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"] Whats with people and this habit to tell others to "relax" on here? no ones beating on anybody here. Kamekazi_69

And nobody is trying to oppress gun owners, so relax.

And you're living in some fictitious world where any little critique of guns, gun owners or gun culture is a full bore assault on your 2nd Amendment rights. I've heard from folks like you all my life. Thankfully I was raised by a gun owner who was a bit more sensible than that.

That's awful. Don't shoot first and ask questions later.

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

And nobody is trying to oppress gun owners, so relax.

worlock77

And you're living in some fictitious world where any little critique of guns, gun owners or gun culture is a full bore assault on your 2nd Amendment rights. I've heard from folks like you all my life. Thankfully I was raised by a gun owner who was a bit more sensible than that.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"] You obviously are living in la la land. "Nobody" is a broad word to use for you. Kamekazi_69

And you're living in some fictitious world where any little critique of guns, gun owners or gun culture is a full bore assault on your 2nd Amendment rights. I've heard from folks like you all my life. Thankfully I was raised by a gun owner who was a bit more sensible than that.

I made no "diplomatic critique". I simply responded to your "I knew some hater would claw at this to oppress gun culture" comment. Nobody here is oppressing, or trying to oppress gun owners.

We don't know anything about the situation really. Especially regarding the mental state of "Martin Riggs" at the time and his decision to shoot his intruder rather than alerting first. To scare the piss out of an intruder, all you need to do is let them know that they are in danger. The good ol'e "Cocking shotgun" scare tactic works every time. My father scared off a "would be" intruder that way. Poor fool should have tried for the Olympic running team.... Could have gave Usain Bolt a run for his money Imo.

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

And you're living in some fictitious world where any little critique of guns, gun owners or gun culture is a full bore assault on your 2nd Amendment rights. I've heard from folks like you all my life. Thankfully I was raised by a gun owner who was a bit more sensible than that.

worlock77

I made no "diplomatic critique". I simply responded to your "I knew some hater would claw at this to oppress gun culture" comment. Nobody here is oppressing, or trying to oppress gun owners.

[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

Well, that's really terrible. No one deserves to have that happen to them; what happened to the the father or the son. I agree that this is exactly the problem with the gun culture. Even if next time it's not someone's own son, maybe it's a neighbor, friend, or mailman. Still, people don't need to rub it in the dad's face. He knows he made a terrible mistake and I'm sure he feels awful and terrible about it. A true tragedy.

theone86

I completely disagree. When you decide to shoot anyone that enters your house in the head before identifying them then killing someone you love is exactly what you deserve. He made a mistake, he feels terrible about it, but that's exactly the way it should be, and it's exactly from this situation that other people who are trigger-happy should learn.

This is both sad and stupid.

Shoot first, question later, yeah that's a great attitude of Americans.

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

Obligatory "f*** da (former) police!" post.

Seriously though, this is what I hate about gun culture. Somebody walks in your back door and your first response is to blow their brains out? Really? Did he not even think to identify the person entering his house? For f*** sake, how can it not cross your mind that it may be someone you know!?

theone86

I was visiting my uncle's house one time and I arrived late at night because I had to work before driving three hours to his place. They were expecting me, they just didn't know at what time I would be there. I had a key, let myself in, and basically went straight to bed. The next morning he told me he almost shot me.

It's seriously f*cking stupid when that's your first reaction. I feel sad for the kid and his family, not for the dad. This is Darwin award-esque stupidity, you act like a moron and now you have a dead kid, congratulations. If you want to keep a gun at home for protection I hvae no problem with that, but you have to keep the paranoia in check.

A woman has a husband whom works on boats for long stretches, the husband gets back 2 weeks early wanting to surprise his wife, the Wife hears a noise downstairs and since her husband is still 2 weeks away from comming home assumes its an intruder fearing for her life she grabs a baseball bat and waits till he approaches the room and bashes him over the head and runs away its dark she escapes the house to a neighbors and calls the police the police arrive the perp is indentified as the womans husband and is dead from the head wound.

A mistake...Darwinian stupidity award is given out to people that knowingly do stupid things and end up getting killed...not perfectly acceptable mistakes that TADA can be traced back to nature genetically predisposing us to fight or flight response when we are threatened...TADA DARWINISM.It would seem to me that this man did not set out to shoot his son, a mistake occured that resulted in death a very sad death...not stupidity because it would seem to me that a knife, or baseball bat used in the right way would have resulted the same....death... Again how is it stupdity when darwinism dictates that humans work on the fight or flight because of their genertics...

This is both sad and stupid.

Shoot first, question later, yeah that's a great attitude of Americans.

jackfruitchips

This old fart is a dipsh*t, he should have called out a warning or at the very least fired a warning shot. He deserves whatever he gets in this situation for reacting the way he did. I'm all for home protection but there's an obvious line between correct use and complete idiocy.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

Obligatory "f*** da (former) police!" post.

Seriously though, this is what I hate about gun culture. Somebody walks in your back door and your first response is to blow their brains out? Really? Did he not even think to identify the person entering his house? For f*** sake, how can it not cross your mind that it may be someone you know!?

WilliamRLBaker

I was visiting my uncle's house one time and I arrived late at night because I had to work before driving three hours to his place. They were expecting me, they just didn't know at what time I would be there. I had a key, let myself in, and basically went straight to bed. The next morning he told me he almost shot me.

It's seriously f*cking stupid when that's your first reaction. I feel sad for the kid and his family, not for the dad. This is Darwin award-esque stupidity, you act like a moron and now you have a dead kid, congratulations. If you want to keep a gun at home for protection I hvae no problem with that, but you have to keep the paranoia in check.

A woman has a husband whom works on boats for long stretches, the husband gets back 2 weeks early wanting to surprise his wife, the Wife hears a noise downstairs and since her husband is still 2 weeks away from comming home assumes its an intruder fearing for her life she grabs a baseball bat and waits till he approaches the room and bashes him over the head and runs away its dark she escapes the house to a neighbors and calls the police the police arrive the perp is indentified as the womans husband and is dead from the head wound.

A mistake...Darwinian stupidity award is given out to people that knowingly do stupid things and end up getting killed...not perfectly acceptable mistakes that TADA can be traced back to nature genetically predisposing us to fight or flight response when we are threatened...TADA DARWINISM.It would seem to me that this man did not set out to shoot his son, a mistake occured that resulted in death a very sad death...not stupidity because it would seem to me that a knife, or baseball bat used in the right way would have resulted the same....death... Again how is it stupdity when darwinism dictates that humans work on the fight or flight because of their genertics...

And in both cases they could have easily been avoided with a simple "who's there?". This "shoot first, ask later" mentality is stupid and dangerous.

Well, I'm sorry for his loss.

No offence, but you Americans must be an incredible frightened people if your first response is to always gun someone down.

No offence, but you Americans must be an incredible frightened people if your first response is to always gun someone down.

m25105

I've actually never in my life heard a gunshot that didn't come from my television. Gun control laws ftw?

A woman has a husband whom works on boats for long stretches, the husband gets back 2 weeks early wanting to surprise his wife, the Wife hears a noise downstairs and since her husband is still 2 weeks away from comming home assumes its an intruder fearing for her life she grabs a baseball bat and waits till he approaches the room and bashes him over the head and runs away its dark she escapes the house to a neighbors and calls the police the police arrive the perp is indentified as the womans husband and is dead from the head wound.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="jackfruitchips"]

This is both sad and stupid.

Shoot first, question later, yeah that's a great attitude of Americans.

sherman-tank1

And what if that bush shaking next to you is not wind at all? But a rapist or serial killer? You have a far greater chance of getting killed in a car accident than you do by getting gunned down by a burglar.. Where is the mass hysteria for that?

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Out of all places you shoot someone in the head? I wouldn't even do that to a burglar, I'd go for the chest or leg, knee cap if I could.CreasianDevaili

[QUOTE="jackfruitchips"]

This is both sad and stupid.

Shoot first, question later, yeah that's a great attitude of Americans.

sherman-tank1

[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

[QUOTE="jackfruitchips"]

This is both sad and stupid.

Shoot first, question later, yeah that's a great attitude of Americans.

MrGeezer