[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Skin Colour is NOT the same as obesity, jesus christ people. lmaoo, yea that was a stretch on his part.. get it, a stretch? cuz fat people stretch stuff?.....Not accepting someone because of their looks is hilarious coming from an Obama supporter...
MBirdy88
Fat acceptance = excuses to be fat
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]Has anyone considered the possibility that some people get fat because they have trouble getting around? Like, rather than immobility being caused by obesity, the obesity is caused by immobility. If the reason they can't get around is because of the fat, that doesn't count :P They reason they get and remain fat is because they eat more than they need.I agree, I don't have sympathy for people that get so big they cannot walk, no need to do that to your body.
TrainerCeleste
Fat/skinny/out of shape bros will never know what it's like to get admired at the beach, to have women touch your abs and squeaze your biceps giggling and blushing and your gf asking you to lift her over your shoulders just because she gets turned on over just how **** manly of a beast you are. kalparun
I don't do this much, but lol.
They reason they get and remain fat is because they eat more than they need.kalparun
So you say we should educate those about nutrition in middleschool/highschool? So they know how to eat?
[QUOTE="kalparun"]Fat/skinny/out of shape bros will never know what it's like to get admired at the beach, to have women touch your abs and squeaze your biceps giggling and blushing and your gf asking you to lift her over your shoulders just because she gets turned on over just how **** manly of a beast you are. Zlurodirom
I don't do this much, but lol.
They reason they get and remain fat is because they eat more than they need.kalparun
So you say we should educate those about nutrition in middleschool/highschool? So they know how to eat?
Educating people on nutrition AND exercise and general fitness should be a thing, yeah. Steroids and other drugs too. People nowadays know all about what that x celebrity did but have no idea how their own body works. I mean, counting calories and knowing how much protein you should consume is such a simple concept. But there are always people who want you to stay ignorant. They want you to purchase ab machines and wanna sell you that "magic" juice that will get you ripped in 3 weeks, diet products, diet pills, magical diet programs, magical shoes etc etc. The average joe doesn't even know the basics about how their body works and even if they do, they're still too lazy and always try to find the easy and fast way to get a six pack. With such phenomena as fat acceptance, this will only get worse.The only issue I have is when someone believes being overweight makes them "healthy" and believes a person who is physically fit is "unhealthy". If you're fat, then okay, you're fat. Accept it and move on. But don't delude yourself into thinking that obesity is an admirable achievement and that anyone who makes an effort to stay in shape is pursuing some unrealistic standard of beauty.They're not pursuing an unrealistic standard, they're trying to avoid dying of a massive heart attack before they turn 40.
Considering that you can't use food stamps for fast food the supermarket will most likely be the primary place they buy food.ad1x2Things might have changed, but last I was aware of, one could use food stamps on crap. Just because someone's using their food stamps at the store doesn't mean they're gonna be buying fresh fruits and vegetables. They're just as likely to be buying pizzas and frozen tv dinners.
[QUOTE="ad1x2"]Considering that you can't use food stamps for fast food the supermarket will most likely be the primary place they buy food.MrGeezerThings might have changed, but last I was aware of, one could use food stamps on crap. Just because someone's using their food stamps at the store doesn't mean they're gonna be buying fresh fruits and vegetables. They're just as likely to be buying pizzas and frozen tv dinners.The point I was making was that the ability to buy healthy food is there since it is in the supermarket and if they don't it is their own fault. Food stamps fed me most of my childhood so I know what you can get assuming you wasn't selling them for cash.
i also find it frustrating that when someone (like me) says they prefer asian women because they tend to be more slim, i get called a closet homo because i like girls that look like boys. uh, no i just prefer slender women, and white women are getting fatter and fatter. even "average" girls are pudgy nowadays.
The point I was making was that the ability to buy healthy food is there since it is in the supermarket and if they don't it is their own fault. Food stamps fed me most of my childhood so I know what you can get assuming you wasn't selling them for cash.ad1x2I know. I'm just saying...people don't really buy fast food because it's unhealthy, they buy it because it's fast and convenient. Anyone who is currently buying fast food because it's "cheap" or "convenient" is probably buying the exact same kind of crap from grocery stores. But yeah, I agree..."I'm too poor to eat healthy"doesn't really hold up as an excuse.
[QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"]I'm pretty sure more people take the piss out of fat people than skinny.The only thing that bothers me is that it's looked down on to make fun of someone being fat but it's okay for a fat person to tear a skinny person apart.
shadowkiller11
Maybe, but you know the whole two wrongs thing. There's a rather skinny guy I know that got in trouble at his job for retaliating to a fat girl's insults concerning his weight. It went something like "If making fun of me being skinny makes you feel better about being fat then more power to ya." She went to the manager about it and he got scolded. (Kind of funny and relevant story I wanted to share.)
Maybe, but you know the whole two wrongs thing. There's a rather skinny guy I know that got in trouble at his job for retaliating to a fat girl's insults concerning his weight. It went something like "If making fun of me being skinny makes you feel better about being fat then more power to ya." She went to the manager about it and he got scolded. (Kind of funny and relevant story I wanted to share.)DanteSuikodenThat seems more like it's just a matter of her being the one who filed a complaint. I mean, the fat chick could have been insulting the skinny dude all day long, but of course no one's going to do anything if he doesn't file a complaint about it. If it bothered him that much, then he should have just filed a complaint instead of insulting her back. And if it didn't bother him that much, then he just should have ignored her. In any case, the workplace isn't exactly the kind of place where someone should even need to "retaliate" in the first place.
Its as bad as everyone on this forum who uses "In my opinion" during an arguement, as if its some confort blanket that the opposition should not contest otherwise they are the bad guy.
It may be your opinion, but its still f***ing s***!.
You seem pretty angry.Its as bad as everyone on this forum who uses "In my opinion" during an arguement, as if its some confort blanket that the opposition should not contest otherwise they are the bad guy.
It may be your opinion, but its still f***ing s***!.
MBirdy88
[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]You seem pretty angry. Not angry, just trying to get the point across as sternly as possible. Political correctness gone mad, not everything should be protected/defended and white knighted.Its as bad as everyone on this forum who uses "In my opinion" during an arguement, as if its some confort blanket that the opposition should not contest otherwise they are the bad guy.
It may be your opinion, but its still f***ing s***!.
MrGeezer
I find this topic incredibly stupid now. If it is based on that fat woman on TV. "Don;t judge me or my fans by our weights" if it didn't matter she would not kick up such a massive fuss about one POLITE email suggesting she improves her health. In reality she is an insecure, loud mouth'd tool generating support from white knights and equally fat people who need some sort of defence against the reality of the situation. How the hell can you people white knight this crap? we strongly advice smokers/drug takers not to damage their bodies further, how is food consumption/weight control any different? And idiots here comparing it to racial colour, or sexism ect ...... jesus tap dancing christ its so stupid. There is a difference between saying: "HAHAHAH FATTY YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD COZ YOUR FAT" and then going to the other STUPID extreme of: "Its ok to be fat, you are not harming your future generations, digging an early grave, and just being general less capabable in life than you could be, plus your nice to look at, don't change a thing, its all about who you are" <<<<<<<<< BAD BAD BAD BAD. Acceptance is a fine line that most numpties don't understand, stop with the pathetic white knighting, it does not help.MBirdy88
Genetically some are more likely to carry weight than others, along with other problems like socioeconomic status/food security/knowledge, people become bigger and bigger.
I do think that if someone is intentionally not exercising because it is "hard" or they aren't putting up efforts to maintain a healthy lifestyle, they may deserve the same ridicule as drug abusers (alcoholics and smokers included, obviously).
Educating people on nutrition AND exercise and general fitness should be a thing, yeah. Steroids and other drugs too. People nowadays know all about what that x celebrity did but have no idea how their own body works. I mean, counting calories and knowing how much protein you should consume is such a simple concept. But there are always people who want you to stay ignorant. They want you to purchase ab machines and wanna sell you that "magic" juice that will get you ripped in 3 weeks, diet products, diet pills, magical diet programs, magical shoes etc etc. The average joe doesn't even know the basics about how their body works and even if they do, they're still too lazy and always try to find the easy and fast way to get a six pack. With such phenomena as fat acceptance, this will only get worse.kalparun
"...counting calories and knowing how much protein you should consume is a simple concept." true, but there are PLENTY of people who don't understand this. Look at plenty of online forums for body building, etc, and they say "more protein is better". Your body only utilizes a certain amount of protein, and after that point it starts being useless. Plenty of people don't know this, and it affects those "average joes" you mentioned, because they not knowing anything, are influenced by false authority and learn something wrong from it.
You're right, we are a quick fix nation, and that needs to stop. People need to realize hard work is what gets you places.
[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]I find this topic incredibly stupid now. If it is based on that fat woman on TV. "Don;t judge me or my fans by our weights" if it didn't matter she would not kick up such a massive fuss about one POLITE email suggesting she improves her health. In reality she is an insecure, loud mouth'd tool generating support from white knights and equally fat people who need some sort of defence against the reality of the situation. How the hell can you people white knight this crap? we strongly advice smokers/drug takers not to damage their bodies further, how is food consumption/weight control any different? And idiots here comparing it to racial colour, or sexism ect ...... jesus tap dancing christ its so stupid. There is a difference between saying: "HAHAHAH FATTY YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD COZ YOUR FAT" and then going to the other STUPID extreme of: "Its ok to be fat, you are not harming your future generations, digging an early grave, and just being general less capabable in life than you could be, plus your nice to look at, don't change a thing, its all about who you are" <<<<<<<<< BAD BAD BAD BAD. Acceptance is a fine line that most numpties don't understand, stop with the pathetic white knighting, it does not help.Zlurodirom
Genetically some are more likely to carry weight than others, along with other problems like socioeconomic status/food security/knowledge, people become bigger and bigger.
I do think that if someone is intentionally not exercising because it is "hard" or they aren't putting up efforts to maintain a healthy lifestyle, they may deserve the same ridicule as drug abusers (alcoholics and smokers included, obviously).
Yes, there are exceptions, I'm not debating that. But using those "reasons" just makes it worse.... as Im willing to bet 90% of fat people don't try. or do half. My mom and my nan are fat.... my mom has been fat since I was young. she wasn't always. 20 years later, still hearing the same old "ive lost 6 pounds" yet stays around the same, eats dieting good, but snacks on crisps, doesn't do any exercise, just walks to the car/house . most are like that Im willing to bet.Yes, there are exceptions, I'm not debating that. But using those "reasons" just makes it worse.... as Im willing to bet 90% of fat people don't try. or do half. My mom and my nan are fat.... my mom has been fat since I was young. she wasn't always. 20 years later, still hearing the same old "ive lost 6 pounds" yet stays around the same, eats dieting good, but snacks on crisps, doesn't do any exercise, just walks to the car/house . most are like that Im willing to bet.MBirdy88
What people like you need to realize that overweight/obese individuals much of the time don't think of it as a problem. Sure they cant move as well as others, but if they don't SEE or UNDERSTAND there's a health risk, they don't care. They feel that they are in decent health, and can do everything they need to.
Unless you can explain the problems with visceral fat/subcutanious fat/endocrine system and the effects on cardiovascular disease/metabolic syndrome/diabetes/etc, they don't care, because they don't feel/see the effects. I've tried talking to obese friends of mine about this same subject, and when I tell them it's unhealthy they look at me and nod and say they understand, then I catch them drinking a soda with 40 grams of sugar in it. They need to understand what happens when they drink the sugar, how it is metabolized and stored as adipose tissue, increasing inflammation levels, lowering the immune system, and so on, until they can see that it all adds up to critical mass, and one day they will have diabetes/thrombosis/or worse.
[QUOTE="MBirdy88"] Yes, there are exceptions, I'm not debating that. But using those "reasons" just makes it worse.... as Im willing to bet 90% of fat people don't try. or do half. My mom and my nan are fat.... my mom has been fat since I was young. she wasn't always. 20 years later, still hearing the same old "ive lost 6 pounds" yet stays around the same, eats dieting good, but snacks on crisps, doesn't do any exercise, just walks to the car/house . most are like that Im willing to bet.Zlurodirom
What people like you need to realize that overweight/obese individuals much of the time don't think of it as a problem. Sure they cant move as well as others, but if they don't SEE or UNDERSTAND there's a health risk, they don't care. They feel that they are in decent health, and can do everything they need to.
Unless you can explain the problems with visceral fat/subcutanious fat/endocrine system and the effects on cardiovascular disease/metabolic syndrome/diabetes/etc, they don't care, because they don't feel/see the effects. I've tried talking to obese friends of mine about this same subject, and when I tell them it's unhealthy they look at me and nod and say they understand, then I catch them drinking a soda with 40 grams of sugar in it. They need to understand what happens when they drink the sugar, how it is metabolized and stored as adipose tissue, increasing inflammation levels, lowering the immune system, and so on, until they can see that it all adds up to critical mass, and one day they will have diabetes/thrombosis/or worse.
I need to realize what I already know? ok. But you just forwarded my point, in alot of cases, educating them isn't the problem. you think my family doesn't know what your saying? My moms a teacher and has to tell her kids these things for gods sake. Doesn't change the fact that she hasn't had the willpower to do it, and because she is overweight she is often very tired after work and unwilling to do anything that resembles exercise on a consistent basis. I don't get your point towards me.[QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]I need to realize what I already know? ok. But you just forwarded my point, in alot of cases, educating them isn't the problem. you think my family doesn't know what your saying? My moms a teacher and has to tell her kids these things for gods sake. Doesn't change the fact that she hasn't had the willpower to do it, and because she is overweight she is often very tired after work and unwilling to do anything that resembles exercise on a consistent basis. I don't get your point towards me.What people like you need to realize that overweight/obese individuals much of the time don't think of it as a problem. Sure they cant move as well as others, but if they don't SEE or UNDERSTAND there's a health risk, they don't care. They feel that they are in decent health, and can do everything they need to.
Unless you can explain the problems with visceral fat/subcutanious fat/endocrine system and the effects on cardiovascular disease/metabolic syndrome/diabetes/etc, they don't care, because they don't feel/see the effects. I've tried talking to obese friends of mine about this same subject, and when I tell them it's unhealthy they look at me and nod and say they understand, then I catch them drinking a soda with 40 grams of sugar in it. They need to understand what happens when they drink the sugar, how it is metabolized and stored as adipose tissue, increasing inflammation levels, lowering the immune system, and so on, until they can see that it all adds up to critical mass, and one day they will have diabetes/thrombosis/or worse.
MBirdy88
My point is that most people who pound the table for exercise/nutrition knowledge to be taught/reinforced, don't always realize those who are at risk/overweight/obese don't care if they are in that state, until it starts to meaningfully manifest in their daily lives. Someone being sedentary and slowly gaining weight/losing mobility aren't going to care, because it's a slow process that they adjust to. If skinny people one day woke up fat, then they would realize it's a problem, but when it's so slow, there isn't as great a response, and it gets swept under the rug.
It's hard to educate those who don't care until it's to late, we need to make them care before it's to late. Which is why I was talking about informing them the physiological consequences of consuming that extra piece of cake. The average adult gains 6-7 pounds every decade after young adulthood (or something similar to that) that is 6-7 calories a day over their daily requirement (theoretically, not taking into account NEAT or RMR or any other unknown variable). That is SO easy to do, but it occurs so slowly people don't care. If you gained 6 pounds in 10 years (or even 12, or 15?), would you even mind? The problem is that people just see more food=obesity, but they don't understand that obesity=lower quality of life, morbidity risks, diabetes, cardiovasular disease, sleep apnea, etc.
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