Father On Trial For Torturing The Man Who Sexted His Underage Daughter

Someone is kinda crazyyy

Seriously, what happened to the good old fashioned punch to the face to solve these types of issues? Why would he make the kid undress, tie him up then tazer him? That's just sick.

Besides, I'm not even seeing why this was a big deal. The girl is 17, I'm sure she's seen some guys junk before. If I were the father, I would have just taken the phone away from my daughter. The father is clearly a psycho.

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]How old are you? If you're the same age as the guy who got tortured how far would you take that "if she looked hot, I'd be sexting her too." Would you just throw age out the window and sext any girl you thought was hot enough?T_P_O

I'm 18, but if I was 24, my sentiments would remain largely the same. And to be honest no, I wouldn't throw age out of the window, her age is often (but not always) an indication of sexual maturity. I'm not impartial, that's silly - but I can see why a 24 year old would sext a 17 year old. It's not completely un-understandable like some people in this thread are making it out to be.

I'm not so sure that you'll still have those same views when you turn 24. I'm 23 and will be 24 in two months and my views now are really different from the way I thought at 18. I can see many reasons why it's completely not understandable. First, it would be illegal in many states for him to have sex with her. Second, 17 and 24 year olds usually have almost nothing in common. Most 24 year olds would likely be finished with college and in a career while the 17 year old hasn't even finished high school and from my experience still in the "party stage". Lastly, it begins to be a very slippery slope when you let sexual maturity or maturity in general be a deciding factor when it comes to much older men or women having sex with minors.

Although this guy is only guilty of sexting a minor, I don't think that's all he wanted to do. He obviously didn't go to her house to have a tea party.

I'm not so sure that you'll still have those same views when you turn 24. I'm 23 and will be 24 in two months and my views now are really different from the way I thought at 18. I can see many reasons why it's completely not understandable. First, it would be illegal in many states for him to have sex with her. Second, 17 and 24 year olds usually have almost nothing in common. Most 24 year olds would likely be finished with college and in a career while the 17 year old hasn't even finished high school and from my experience still in the "party stage". Lastly, it begins to be a very slippery slope when you let sexual maturity or maturity in general be a deciding factor when it comes to much older men or women having sex with minors.

Although this guy is only guilty of sexting a minor, I don't think that's all he wanted to do. He obviously didn't go to her house to have a tea party.ownage_denied

It may be illegal, but hell, that probably wouldn't stop a 24 year old me from trying to have sex with her. I'll be brutally honest in saying that the legal regulations on sexual activity with someone who's 17 is pretty much useless and for good reason.

17 and 24 years olds can have things in common depending on who exactly there are. It's a mostly subjective thing what people like and don't like, I could say a 17 and 24 year old having many things in common, actually. It depends on the people there. You can't just rule out that they'd be compatible by the virtue of one participant being older.

Yeah, I'll agree on that one. They're likely to have different priorities in their lives, one hopefully on employment, the other still on education. I don't quite get how that makes in not understandable, seeing as not all teenagers go through this party stage. But otherwise, I agree on that point.

Well, obviously, sexual maturity isn't the only factor in finding a mate, but it's one of the main ones there. Obviously, one has to take into account the physical, legal, social and individual regulations upon himself when performing a sexual act on a minor, even if it is incredibly inconsequential "sexting". But eh, most of those factors come behind sexual maturity in that sort of sexual relationship, I'd say.

I don't even recall what the argument was originally about, can I get back to you at a later time whilst I eat now? :P

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]I'm not so sure that you'll still have those same views when you turn 24. I'm 23 and will be 24 in two months and my views now are really different from the way I thought at 18. I can see many reasons why it's completely not understandable. First, it would be illegal in many states for him to have sex with her. Second, 17 and 24 year olds usually have almost nothing in common. Most 24 year olds would likely be finished with college and in a career while the 17 year old hasn't even finished high school and from my experience still in the "party stage". Lastly, it begins to be a very slippery slope when you let sexual maturity or maturity in general be a deciding factor when it comes to much older men or women having sex with minors.

Although this guy is only guilty of sexting a minor, I don't think that's all he wanted to do. He obviously didn't go to her house to have a tea party.T_P_O

It may be illegal, but hell, that probably wouldn't stop a 24 year old me from trying to have sex with her. I'll be brutally honest in saying that the legal regulations on sexual activity with someone who's 17 is pretty much useless and for good reason.

17 and 24 years olds can have things in common depending on who exactly there are. It's a mostly subjective thing what people like and don't like, I could say a 17 and 24 year old having many things in common, actually. It depends on the people there. You can't just rule out that they'd be compatible by the virtue of one participant being older.

Yeah, I'll agree on that one. They're likely to have different priorities in their lives, one hopefully on employment, the other still on education. I don't quite get how that makes in not understandable, seeing as not all teenagers go through this party stage. But otherwise, I agree on that point.

Well, obviously, sexual maturity isn't the only factor in finding a mate, but it's one of the main ones there. Obviously, one has to take into account the physical, legal, social and individual regulations upon himself when performing a sexual act on a minor, even if it is incredibly inconsequential "sexting". But eh, most of those factors come behind sexual maturity in that sort of sexual relationship, I'd say.

I don't even recall what the argument was originally about, can I get back to you at a later time whilst I eat now? :P

Sure, it's pretty interesting seeing a different perspective on this. I have to admit i lol'd and thought about Chris Hanson when I read this "It may be illegal, but hell, that probably wouldn't stop a 24 year old me from trying to have sex with her."

I don't care how old his daughter was, he was completely wrong.

[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]How old are you? If you're the same age as the guy who got tortured how far would you take that "if she looked hot, I'd be sexting her too." Would you just throw age out the window and sext any girl you thought was hot enough?ownage_denied

I'm 18, but if I was 24, my sentiments would remain largely the same. And to be honest no, I wouldn't throw age out of the window, her age is often (but not always) an indication of sexual maturity. I'm not impartial, that's silly - but I can see why a 24 year old would sext a 17 year old. It's not completely un-understandable like some people in this thread are making it out to be.

I'm not so sure that you'll still have those same views when you turn 24. I'm 23 and will be 24 in two months and my views now are really different from the way I thought at 18. I can see many reasons why it's completely not understandable. First, it would be illegal in many states for him to have sex with her. Second, 17 and 24 year olds usually have almost nothing in common. Most 24 year olds would likely be finished with college and in a career while the 17 year old hasn't even finished high school and from my experience still in the "party stage". Lastly, it begins to be a very slippery slope when you let sexual maturity or maturity in general be a deciding factor when it comes to much older men or women having sex with minors.

Although this guy is only guilty of sexting a minor, I don't think that's all he wanted to do. He obviously didn't go to her house to have a tea party.

I'm 24 and I don't really find 17 "too young." Neither do several states or countries, actually.

And how is it a slippery slope? It's not done because it'd be impossible to decide ones elgibility for adult hood on a case by case basis. Not because of slippery slopes.

How old was the daughter? If the daughter was over 20 I don't think it was any of the father's damn business who she sexted with.buldog300

[QUOTE="xhellcatx"]Hmm. As a parent, I would of course be upset about it, and can get why a father would act in such a way, as a fathers job is to protect. Its their natural instinct. However, it was a bit too far. He should have done something with his daughters cell phone - either take it away, or cut off the pic messages or text and pic messages all together... somethin.. and on top of it called the cops. *shrugs* Thats bout all he really should have done. But again, I can see why he did it. Oh, also, my daughter would so be grounded. topsemag55

Yup, the 24-year-old guy is too old...(24/2)+7=19 (not 17).

Where the hell did this even come from, anyway? I keep hearing people toss it around. I can't tell if it's an old wives tale, a meme, or just some silly cultural thing.

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

I'm 18, but if I was 24, my sentiments would remain largely the same. And to be honest no, I wouldn't throw age out of the window, her age is often (but not always) an indication of sexual maturity. I'm not impartial, that's silly - but I can see why a 24 year old would sext a 17 year old. It's not completely un-understandable like some people in this thread are making it out to be.

Pixel-Pirate

I'm not so sure that you'll still have those same views when you turn 24. I'm 23 and will be 24 in two months and my views now are really different from the way I thought at 18. I can see many reasons why it's completely not understandable. First, it would be illegal in many states for him to have sex with her. Second, 17 and 24 year olds usually have almost nothing in common. Most 24 year olds would likely be finished with college and in a career while the 17 year old hasn't even finished high school and from my experience still in the "party stage". Lastly, it begins to be a very slippery slope when you let sexual maturity or maturity in general be a deciding factor when it comes to much older men or women having sex with minors.

Although this guy is only guilty of sexting a minor, I don't think that's all he wanted to do. He obviously didn't go to her house to have a tea party.

I'm 24 and I don't really find 17 "too young." Neither do several states or countries, actually.

And how is it a slippery slope? It's not done because it'd be impossible to decide ones elgibility for adult hood on a case by case basis. Not because of slippery slopes.

Since this happened in the U.S. I'll stick to that for now. How about we both look at all the states in the U.S. and find out which ones this would be legal in. I'm not completely sure but I bet in the vast majority it's illegal. About the other countries part. I bet I kind find a country with an age of consent very low than almost everyone in the U.S. would disagree. It's a slippery slope because some individuals use that basis to decide and if it was allowed to be a deciding factor it would be an extremely slippery slope. I typed this pretty fast because I'm in a rush but I'll correct any mistakes(if any) later.

If the guy was harassing his daughter, I don't think he was really 'in the wrong' to the extent that it should lead to a criminal conviction against him...Baconbits2004

That's not the way the law works. Commiting a crime in response to another crime does not absolve you of that crime. Also torture is never justifiable under any circumstance. If the guy truly wanted to protect his daughter there were many other avenues he could have chosen.

Saying he overreacted would be an understatement.

Since this happened in the U.S. I'll stick to that for now. How about we both look at all the states in the U.S. and find out which ones this would be legal in. I'm not completely sure but I bet in the vast majority it's illegal.ownage_denied

Actually for the vast majority of states (30 states, plus the District of Columbia) the age of consent is 16. 8 states have the age of consent set at 17 years of age. In only 12 states is the age of consent 18.

:? the deputies LAUGHED at the guy when they got there? What kind of deputies are these?!

:? the deputies LAUGHED at the guy when they got there? What kind of deputies are these?!

Chojuto

As much as I can get behind people taking matters into their own hands, that was a pretty stupid reason to go all "Taken" on the dude.

If the 24 year old had done something *worse* to the daughter, the father would be a national hero.

:? the deputies LAUGHED at the guy when they got there? What kind of deputies are these?!

Chojuto

Some people laugh when others are hurt. That's why there are shows on TV where people get terribly hurt, some people find it funny. The only thing I do when I see these videos is facepalm at the people who are laughing.

If some 24 y/o scumbag ever comes sniffing around my 17 y/o daughter, torture's gonna be the very least of his worries... just sayin'...67gt500

And if your daughter is consenting to this "sniffing around"?

Given the daughter's age I'd say it wasn't justified at all. If she was 12 then maybe I'd understand a bit more, but the daughter's an adult.tofu-lion91

Father should go to jail. He was in the wrong here, period.

This isn't some 40 year old molesting an 8 year old. She was 17, he was 24. Theres an age difference but she was not some little kid.

And vigilante justice should NEVER be tolerated.

Pixel-Pirate

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Father should go to jail. He was in the wrong here, period.

This isn't some 40 year old molesting an 8 year old. She was 17, he was 24. Theres an age difference but she was not some little kid.

And vigilante justice should NEVER be tolerated.

rcafan

And the proper response would have been to contact the police. Again, one is not absolved of their crime just because they were acting in response to another crime.

Even though the 24-year-old sounds kind of creepy, the dad shouldn't have done that.

Was she texting this man back?

Someone won't let their daughter grow up.

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]Since this happened in the U.S. I'll stick to that for now. How about we both look at all the states in the U.S. and find out which ones this would be legal in. I'm not completely sure but I bet in the vast majority it's illegal.worlock77

Actually for the vast majority of states (30 states, plus the District of Columbia) the age of consent is 16. 8 states have the age of consent set at 17 years of age. In only 12 states is the age of consent 18.

I still haven't been able to research this thoroughly but a quick search I just did indicated that all though you're right, that data is misleading. At least 30 states also have an age gap provision, which gives better insight to this situation and would make the matter being discussed in this thread illegal.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]Since this happened in the U.S. I'll stick to that for now. How about we both look at all the states in the U.S. and find out which ones this would be legal in. I'm not completely sure but I bet in the vast majority it's illegal.ownage_denied

Actually for the vast majority of states (30 states, plus the District of Columbia) the age of consent is 16. 8 states have the age of consent set at 17 years of age. In only 12 states is the age of consent 18.

I still haven't been able to research this thoroughly but a quick search I just did indicated that all though you're right, that data is misleading. At least 30 states also have an age gap provision, which gives better insight to this situation and would make the matter being discussed in this thread illegal.

Yes this is true, but at that point we're getting into a lot of complexities and grey areas that are beyond the scope of this thread. Age of consent laws are not as cut-and-dried as you (or indeed even I) have implied here. At any rate this story is from California where the age of consent is in fact 18. Even still this is, honestly, fairly irrelevant to the subject at hand.

What is wrong with the father?

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Father should go to jail. He was in the wrong here, period.

This isn't some 40 year old molesting an 8 year old. She was 17, he was 24. Theres an age difference but she was not some little kid.

And vigilante justice should NEVER be tolerated.

rcafan

And again, if the sexter was committing a crime, then the father had legal routes he could have taken to have the sexter arrested. Instead, he tied the dude up and tortured him purely for revenge.

Yes, it doesn't matter how old the daughter was. Regardless of her age, what her father did is A SERIOUS CRIME. Also a totally UNNECESSARY crime which did absolutely NOTHING to protect his daughter from harm. It was a revenge torturing, pure and simple. That's serious ****, and the father needs to be seriously punished for doing it.

It was taken too far and the father should be punished for that, but it's not hard to understand why he acted the way he did. Age or not, that's still his underage daughter whom he felt the need to protect. So while yes he did commit a crime and will have to suffer the consequences for it, I don't think he's entirely in the wrong here.

It was taken too far and the father should be punished for that, but it's not hard to understand why he acted the way he did. Age or not, that's still his underage daughter whom he felt the need to protect. So while yes he did commit a crime and will have to suffer the consequences for it, I don't think he's entirely in the wrong here.

Suzy_Q_Kazoo

Question...

If he was willing to TORTURE another man for sexting his 17 year old daughter, how different do you think his response would have been if his daughter had actually been legally an adult?

If his daughter had been only ONE YEAR OLDER and therefore legally able to have sex with whoever she wanted, do you REALLY think the father's reaction would have been much different?

I mean...what the younger man did WAS an illegal act. But was that what the father was reacting to? Was the father reacting to an ILLEGAL act done against his daughter, or a SEXUAL act done against his daughter?

I certainly can't read the guy's mind, but I suspect that it's the latter. Because if it was the ILLEGALITY of the sexting that prompted the father's actions, then why respond with an act that is even WAY WORSE as far as crime goes? If his daughter had simply been one measly year older and the 24 year old man sexted her, I suspect that the father's response would have been exactly the same.

He CLEARLY didn't torture another man because that man committed a crime. Instead, he likely tortured a man because that man was acting sexual towards his daughter. And if that was his motivation for torturing the dude, what does it even MATTER how old or young the girl was?

MrGeezer

Does that make more sense now, as to what I was trying to say earlier? :P

This sounds like one big cluster of douche. You have the obviously desperate 24 year old. The 17 year old who thinks she is special because an older guy is showing interest in her. Finally, you have the psychotic father.

Yeah what he did was a bit unneeded. Granted I would have been mad if some 24 year old was sending explicit message to my daughter but I wouldn't torture him >_>

It was taken too far and the father should be punished for that, but it's not hard to understand why he acted the way he did. Age or not, that's still his underage daughter whom he felt the need to protect. So while yes he did commit a crime and will have to suffer the consequences for it, I don't think he's entirely in the wrong here.

Suzy_Q_Kazoo

It's not hard to understand why a man would strip someone down to his boxers, shoot him with a stun gun, tie him up with zip wire, and tell him that he's going to kill him, and carry this on for an hour... all because the person in question sent his almost-adult daughter some lewd pictures?

I mean I don't know about anyone else, but I find that pretty darn hard to understand.

[QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"]

It was taken too far and the father should be punished for that, but it's not hard to understand why he acted the way he did. Age or not, that's still his underage daughter whom he felt the need to protect. So while yes he did commit a crime and will have to suffer the consequences for it, I don't think he's entirely in the wrong here.

GabuEx

It's not hard to understand why a man would strip someone down to his boxers, shoot him with a stun gun, tie him up with zip wire, and tell him that he's going to kill him, and carry this on for an hour... all because the person in question sent his almost-adult daughter some lewd pictures?

I mean I don't know about anyone else, but I find that pretty darn hard to understand.

It's obvious his rage got the best of him and blinded any sense of rationality, I'm not trying to justify that, but it's not exactly outright unbelievable some of the things people do for the ones they love. He likely had some issues with anger or something of that sort as well, there's just so many other factors that could've come into play. So while the act itself may seem absurd, the motivation and emotions behind them really aren't. Well, at least to me.

Given the daughter's age I'd say it wasn't justified at all. If she was 12 then maybe I'd understand a bit more, but the daughter's an adult.tofu-lion91

this

I hate excessive pride or overprotectiveness

tbh if I had a 17 year old daughter, I'd expect her to be having sex...I wouldnt like it, but I'd expect it.

Atwood threatened the young man with a shotgun, forced him to undress, tied him up, and used a stun gun on him.TheShadowLord07