Fear of anti-gun legislation makes gun sales go through the roof in Colorado

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501363_162-57479412/fear-prompts-gun-sales-panic-after-colo-massacre/

Firearms sales are surging in the wake of the Colorado movie theater massacre as buyers express fears that anti-gun politicians may use the shootings to seek new restrictions on owning weapons.

In Colorado, gun sales jumped in the three days that followed Friday's shooting that killed 12 and injured dozens of others. The state approved background checks for 2,887 people who wanted to purchase a firearm 25 percent more than the average Friday to Sunday period in 2012 and 43 percent more than the same interval the week prior.

I don't blame them for buying fast - three Congressional Democrats have already started their anti-gun rhetoric (Lautenberg, Menendez, and McCarthy).

I dont blame em at all.....you got to be able to protect yourself.......it's really not that hard to understand...

Splendid! Glad they're doing so. Certainly not an unwise move.
God bless,
Crushmaster.

good. The reason why we have the right to bare arms is to protect are self from out of control government.k2theswiss

What's the point of this thread? So we're going to see similar shootings?

The lenient gun laws enabled this guy to commit his murders in the first place.

I dont blame em at all.....you got to be able to protect yourself.......it's really not that hard to understand...

UglyDude_07

good. The reason why we have the right to bare arms is to protect are self from out of control government.k2theswiss

Just what we need. More idiots buying guns.

What's the point of this thread? So we're going to see similar shootings?

The lenient gun laws enabled this guy to commit his murders in the first place.

MlauTheDaft

[QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"]

What's the point of this thread? So we're going to see similar shootings?

The lenient gun laws enabled this guy to commit his murders in the first place.

TheWalkingGhost

He's a mentally unstable lunatic with a license to wear firearms.

Speculate all you want about his alternative plans, his atrocity was enabled through his constitutional rights.

Assuming that he "would have just got his guns elsewhere" is naive at best.IF one has the balls to even do so, it's still not as simple as passing by the nearest 7/11.

Edit:

Look to inconstency's post above yours, for further reflection.

Just what we need. More idiots buying guns.

bigfoot2045

Exactly

I dont blame em at all.....you got to be able to protect yourself.......it's really not that hard to understand...

UglyDude_07

good. The reason why we have the right to bare arms is to protect are self from out of control government.k2theswiss

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"]

What's the point of this thread? So we're going to see similar shootings?

The lenient gun laws enabled this guy to commit his murders in the first place.

MlauTheDaft

He's a mentally unstable lunatic with a license to wear firearms.

Speculate all you want about his alternative plans, his atrocity was enabled through his constitutional rights.

Assuming that he "would have just got his guns elsewhere" is naive at best.IF one has the balls to even do so, it's still not as simple as passing by the nearest 7/11.

Edit:

Look to inconstency's post above yours, for further reflection.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501363_162-57479412/fear-prompts-gun-sales-panic-after-colo-massacre/

Firearms sales are surging in the wake of the Colorado movie theater massacre as buyers express fears that anti-gun politicians may use the shootings to seek new restrictions on owning weapons.

In Colorado, gun sales jumped in the three days that followed Friday's shooting that killed 12 and injured dozens of others. The state approved background checks for 2,887 people who wanted to purchase a firearm 25 percent more than the average Friday to Sunday period in 2012 and 43 percent more than the same interval the week prior.

I don't blame them for buying fast - three Congressional Democrats have already started their anti-gun rhetoric (Lautenberg, Menendez, and McCarthy).

topsemag55

Problem 12 people shot dead.

Solution MOAR GUNS!!

[QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"]

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"] :roll: Because he is mentally unstable lunatic who would have wanted to do this had nothing to do with it. If they want to do something, they will do it, law or no laws. He was most likely inspired by Batman movies, you want to ban those? Chill out, guns aren't the problem.TheWalkingGhost

He's a mentally unstable lunatic with a license to wear firearms.

Speculate all you want about his alternative plans, his atrocity was enabled through his constitutional rights.

Assuming that he "would have just got his guns elsewhere" is naive at best.IF one has the balls to even do so, it's still not as simple as passing by the nearest 7/11.

Edit:

Look to inconstency's post above yours, for further reflection.

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"]

He's a mentally unstable lunatic with a license to wear firearms.

Speculate all you want about his alternative plans, his atrocity was enabled through his constitutional rights.

Assuming that he "would have just got his guns elsewhere" is naive at best.IF one has the balls to even do so, it's still not as simple as passing by the nearest 7/11.

Edit:

Look to inconstency's post above yours, for further reflection.

joel_c17

The only people who win in all of this are the gun store owners who get to exploit a national tragedy for massvie profits.

[QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"]

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"] :roll: Because he is mentally unstable lunatic who would have wanted to do this had nothing to do with it. If they want to do something, they will do it, law or no laws. He was most likely inspired by Batman movies, you want to ban those? Chill out, guns aren't the problem.TheWalkingGhost

He's a mentally unstable lunatic with a license to wear firearms.

Speculate all you want about his alternative plans, his atrocity was enabled through his constitutional rights.

Assuming that he "would have just got his guns elsewhere" is naive at best.IF one has the balls to even do so, it's still not as simple as passing by the nearest 7/11.

Edit:

Look to inconstency's post above yours, for further reflection.

I'm not claiming that stricter gun laws would solve your problems, firearms are already much too common to contain.

What Iam claiming, is that your lenient legislation enables these kinds oftragedies.

I highly doubt you've ever had to deal with hardcore criminals... Most people have nowhere near the guts to purchase an illegal weapon or even approach the kind of people, who sells such merchandise.

You probably think that comitting a mass shooting, means that this guy has no regard for anything, but that's a naive and easy cop-out. Twisted as he is, he's still 95% like the rest of us.

And considering how your gun legislation permits absolute maniacs to wear firearms, it needs tightening. Unless you think, mass murder like the cinema shooting is an acceptable sacrifice, that is....

[QUOTE="joel_c17"][QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]Way to miss the point. It is naive at best to assume that a store is the only place to get a gun, thanks the illegal weapons trade I can get a weapon without going to one rather easily. The point is he wanted to do this, he planned it before hand and tricked out his apartment. To scapegoat the weapon and the laws is not only naive but ignorant because you are missing what really caused the problem. Stop claiming that stricker gun laws will some how magically solve this, when the people doing it are still not getting the help they need. FYI, I am not an unstable lunatic so why should my rights be limited based on the actions of him? Reflect on that before you talk. For every one lunatic, there are more who aren't. TheWalkingGhost

[QUOTE="joel_c17"][QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]Way to miss the point. It is naive at best to assume that a store is the only place to get a gun, thanks the illegal weapons trade I can get a weapon without going to one rather easily. The point is he wanted to do this, he planned it before hand and tricked out his apartment. To scapegoat the weapon and the laws is not only naive but ignorant because you are missing what really caused the problem. Stop claiming that stricker gun laws will some how magically solve this, when the people doing it are still not getting the help they need. FYI, I am not an unstable lunatic so why should my rights be limited based on the actions of him? Reflect on that before you talk. For every one lunatic, there are more who aren't. TheWalkingGhost

You: Don't take our gunz.

That's all you wrote. You never touched upon helping the mentally ill and you directly pointed out a scapegoat.

Obviously this guy is to blame, but that's just ignoring the source of the problem... You don't want to know what half of your best friends would do, if allowed.

I'm not claiming that stricter gun laws would solve your problems, firearms are already much too common to contain.

What Iam claiming, is that your lenient legislation enables these kinds oftragedies.MlauTheDaft

I highly doubt you've ever had to deal with hardcore criminals... Most people have nowhere near the guts to purchase an illegal weapon or even approach the kind of people, who sells such merchandise.MlauTheDaft

You probably think that comitting a mass shooting, means that this guy has no regard for anything, but that's a naive and easy cop-out. Twisted as he is, he's still 95% like the rest of us.MlauTheDaft

And considering how your gun legislation permits absolute maniacs to wear firearms, it needs tightening.MlauTheDaft

Unless you think, mass murder like the cinema shooting is an acceptable sacrifice, that is....MlauTheDaft

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="joel_c17"] NRA spokesperson has arrived. I don't know when Americans will ever learn - this is becoming the definition of idiocy MlauTheDaft

You: Don't take our gunz.

That's all you wrote. You never touched upon helping the mentally ill and you directly pointed out a scapegoat.

Obviously this guy is to blame, but that's just ignoring the source of the problem... You don't want to know what half of your best friends would do, if allowed.

[QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"]I highly doubt you've ever had to deal with hardcore criminals... Most people have nowhere near the guts to purchase an illegal weapon or even approach the kind of people, who sells such merchandise.TheWalkingGhost

1. I have, and it doesn't matter if 95% of people don't have the guts, it only takes 1 person to cause a tragedy. Look at the effort he put into it, you really think he wouldn't?

You probably think that comitting a mass shooting, means that this guy has no regard for anything, but that's a naive and easy cop-out. Twisted as he is, he's still 95% like the rest of us.MlauTheDaft

2. I seriously doubt a mass murder is like the rest of us. This comes across as a watering down and excusing of what he did. He clearly has little regard for human life.

And considering how your gun legislation permits absolute maniacs to wear firearms, it needs tightening.MlauTheDaft

3. Maybe the problem is not the guns themselves, but the people getting them? Again, focus more on people.

1. Making an assumption as to his state of mind, of which you can't know.

2. Making an assumption as to his state of mind, of which you can't know.

3. Let's also address the issue of our extremely lax gun-laws, clearly we have other issues; our 'punishment/vengeance' mentality to crime as opposed to treatment, our culture towards guns and killing...

Statistically, gun-control (which doesn't necessarily mean gun-banning) 'does' prove helpful, so why not? The solution for gun crimes isn't more guns, that's just silly.

[QUOTE="joel_c17"][QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]Because there isn't a deeper problem in this country that is way worse then most people are willing to address. Nope, just ban guns and all those lunatics will just vanish. We need a deeper look far beyond your BAN GUNZ paranoia. TheWalkingGhost

[QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"]I'm not claiming that stricter gun laws would solve your problems, firearms are already much too common to contain.

What Iam claiming, is that your lenient legislation enables these kinds oftragedies.TheWalkingGhost

I highly doubt you've ever had to deal with hardcore criminals... Most people have nowhere near the guts to purchase an illegal weapon or even approach the kind of people, who sells such merchandise.MlauTheDaft

You probably think that comitting a mass shooting, means that this guy has no regard for anything, but that's a naive and easy cop-out. Twisted as he is, he's still 95% like the rest of us.MlauTheDaft

And considering how your gun legislation permits absolute maniacs to wear firearms, it needs tightening.MlauTheDaft

Unless you think, mass murder like the cinema shooting is an acceptable sacrifice, that is....MlauTheDaft

1:

Welfare issues aside, (plenty of those), gun legislation still allowed him firearms. That's an issue of lacking control.

2:

Yes, it only takes one person. This particular one person just needed to legally purchase his firearms. Shooting down an entire cinema of defenseless people is much less intimidating than having to deal with people, who might kill you if they don't like your looks.

If you've ever been so unfortunate as to intimately encounter this enviroment, you know damn well that most people would piss themselves.

You seem to think that his act makes him above all mundane concerns.. I Expect his self esteem is non existant and that he's barely able to look people in the eye, when talking to them. He certainly does'nt have a history of cynical violence.

3:

People like him have almost everything in common with the rest of us. Monsters are mostly found in movies.

4:

"Maybe the problem is not the guns themselves, but the people getting them? Again, focus more on people."

The people getting them? It's the laws that allow them to:? I can't really argue with you here, as long as you think that "anyone can go pick up an unregistered gun".

5:

I suppose you guys need mandatory cavity searching in all houses, open to the public. You consider yourself not prone to panic, I consider it insane that everyone around me is armed, when going out.

<1. Making an assumption as to his state of mind, of which you can't know.

2. Making an assumption as to his state of mind, of which you can't know.

3. Let's also address the issue of our extremely lax gun-laws, clearly we have other issues; our 'punishment/vengeance' mentality to crime as opposed to treatment, our culture towards guns and killing...

Statistically, gun-control (which doesn't necessarily mean gun-banning) 'does' prove helpful, so why not? The solution for gun crimes isn't more guns, that's just silly.

Inconsistancy

[QUOTE="joel_c17"][QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]Then why are you arguing with me? This country has a serious problem that banning guns won't solve. And unlike Australia the USA has lots of other issues that simply banning guns won't resolve. I can drive about an hour and a half and get an illegal weapon no problem. Hell, it is not uncommon for them to be sold in bars and allyways. Might wanna take a look into that...Not cool when you can buy an AK47 in an ally in Downtown Los Angeles.TheWalkingGhost

The bolded part pretty much says it all.

Not that he needs any mental deficiencies.... A solid dose of fear is plenty for an innocent to perform atrocities.

1.Welfare issues aside, (plenty of those), gun legislation still allowed him firearms. That's an issue of lacking control.

2:

Yes, it only takes one person. This particular one person just needed to legally purchase his firearms. Shooting down an entire cinema of defenseless people is much less intimidating than having to deal with people, who might kill you if they don't like your looks.

If you've ever been so unfortunate as to intimately encounter this enviroment, you know damn well that most people would piss themselves.

You seem to think that his act makes him above all mundane concerns.. I Expect his self esteem is non existant and that he's barely able to look people in the eye, when talking to them. He certainly does'nt have a history of cynical violence.

3:

People like him have almost everything in common with the rest of us. Monsters are mostly found in movies.

4:

"Maybe the problem is not the guns themselves, but the people getting them? Again, focus more on people."

The people getting them? It's the laws that allow them to:? I can't really argue with you here, as long as you think that "anyone can go pick up an unregistered gun".

5:

I suppose you guys need mandatory cavity searching in all houses, open to the public. You consider yourself not prone to panic, I consider it insane that everyone around me is armed, when going out.

MlauTheDaft

Insane people will always be insane. I'd rather have the opportunity to have a force equalizer and deal with the potentiality of getting shot than being garroted or eviscerated by a knife or bludgeoned with a pipe. Vandalvideo

The idea that some private gun owner is going to take down a mass shooter is just silly. It's never happened. In this case it would have been literally impossible as the shooter was wearing head to toe body armor.

Even if you could take out a mass shooter, why would you want to? You'd be the one left holding a gun when the SWAT team arrives. In all of the confusion, you might even get blamed for the shooting.

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="joel_c17"] I'm arguing because your saying don't ban the guns - I say DO ban the guns, then get to work on you other issuesMlauTheDaft

The bolded part pretty much says it all.

Not that he needs any mental deficiencies.... A solid dose of fear is plenty for an innocent to perform atrocities.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Insane people will always be insane. I'd rather have the opportunity to have a force equalizer and deal with the potentiality of getting shot than being garroted or eviscerated by a knife or bludgeoned with a pipe. bigfoot2045

The idea that some private gun owner is going to take down a mass shooter is just silly. It's never happened. In this case it would have been literally impossible as the shooter was wearing head to toe body armor.

[QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Insane people will always be insane. I'd rather have the opportunity to have a force equalizer and deal with the potentiality of getting shot than being garroted or eviscerated by a knife or bludgeoned with a pipe. TheWalkingGhost

The idea that some private gun owner is going to take down a mass shooter is just silly. It's never happened. In this case it would have been literally impossible as the shooter was wearing head to toe body armor.

The only concealed carry weapons that can penetrate body armor are the FN Five Seven and the H&K UCP, but the armor piercing rounds for those guns are illegal for civilians.

This isn't surprising....people love their guns I guess.

In Australia, I think it was 1996 a man went on a rampage with an automatic or semi automatic weapon and killed something like 35 people. We then banned those weapons, guess how many mass shootings we have had since? 0. Americans - use your brains, we know the NRA are powerful over there, with propaganda and such, but gawd open your eyes already joel_c17

This. The answer to gun violence is not more guns.

Civilians shouldn't even have access to assault weapons. They serve no purpose other than to kill other people en masse.

[QUOTE="joel_c17"]In Australia, I think it was 1996 a man went on a rampage with an automatic or semi automatic weapon and killed something like 35 people. We then banned those weapons, guess how many mass shootings we have had since? 0. Americans - use your brains, we know the NRA are powerful over there, with propaganda and such, but gawd open your eyes already bigfoot2045

This. The answer to gun violence is not more guns.

Civilians shouldn't even have access to assault weapons. They serve no purpose other than to kill other people en masse.

I don't understand american gun culture. People would prefer that mass shootings continue rather then impose gun restrictions.

Guns arent the problem... lets ban costumes from cinemas!

but srsly, civilians shouldnt have acces to assault rifles

I don't see how it's going to protect them, are they going to carry AK-47's into a theater or something? Any pistol, something that's actually likely to be in the theater, wouldn't have really done anything.Inconsistancy

Have you ever seen what a .45 does to someone wearing body armor? If not, be quiet. :roll:

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]I don't see how it's going to protect them, are they going to carry AK-47's into a theater or something? Any pistol, something that's actually likely to be in the theater, wouldn't have really done anything.airshocker

Have you ever seen what a .45 does to someone wearing body armor? If not, be quiet. :roll:

It doesn't do much. Big and slow is definitely not the way to go with body armor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z_FgNqwzFo

This happens every time there seems to even a remote chance of the guns not ebing as prominent. Its just paranoia.

[QUOTE="joel_c17"]In Australia, I think it was 1996 a man went on a rampage with an automatic or semi automatic weapon and killed something like 35 people. We then banned those weapons, guess how many mass shootings we have had since? 0. Americans - use your brains, we know the NRA are powerful over there, with propaganda and such, but gawd open your eyes already bigfoot2045

This. The answer to gun violence is not more guns.

Civilians shouldn't even have access to assault weapons. They serve no purpose other than to kill other people en masse.

I dont see why everyone is whining about this, its not the first time and certainly wont be the last time, it WILL happen again and maybe next time it will be a school and lots of kids will get killed.

Mean while america sits back asking what can they do when they know full well what to do but wont so a few senseless deaths are an acceptable price, atleast thats how the rest of the world see's it.

America, the land of contradictions.

[QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

[QUOTE="joel_c17"]In Australia, I think it was 1996 a man went on a rampage with an automatic or semi automatic weapon and killed something like 35 people. We then banned those weapons, guess how many mass shootings we have had since? 0. Americans - use your brains, we know the NRA are powerful over there, with propaganda and such, but gawd open your eyes already chrisrooR

This. The answer to gun violence is not more guns.

Civilians shouldn't even have access to assault weapons. They serve no purpose other than to kill other people en masse.

What would you call an AR-15 or a pistol with a 20 round magazine?

You don't need an AR-15 with a 100 round drum magazine to go deer hunting. The only reason you would buy something like that is to kill people by the boatload.

And so what if it's only semi-automatic. That just means the shooter can conserve ammo and really make his shots count.

[QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"]1.Welfare issues aside, (plenty of those), gun legislation still allowed him firearms. That's an issue of lacking control.

2:

Yes, it only takes one person. This particular one person just needed to legally purchase his firearms. Shooting down an entire cinema of defenseless people is much less intimidating than having to deal with people, who might kill you if they don't like your looks.

If you've ever been so unfortunate as to intimately encounter this enviroment, you know damn well that most people would piss themselves.

You seem to think that his act makes him above all mundane concerns.. I Expect his self esteem is non existant and that he's barely able to look people in the eye, when talking to them. He certainly does'nt have a history of cynical violence.

3:

People like him have almost everything in common with the rest of us. Monsters are mostly found in movies.

4:

"Maybe the problem is not the guns themselves, but the people getting them? Again, focus more on people."

The people getting them? It's the laws that allow them to:? I can't really argue with you here, as long as you think that "anyone can go pick up an unregistered gun".

5:

I suppose you guys need mandatory cavity searching in all houses, open to the public. You consider yourself not prone to panic, I consider it insane that everyone around me is armed, when going out.

TheWalkingGhost

1:

Why are you even concerning yourself with this topic, if you're not ready to deal with it, in it's entirety? I was'nt asking you to forget about welfare, just the fact that your laws are what armed him.

2:

I'd do it with much stricter gun laws. Apart from the concept of original sin, it's impossible to tell what people of capable of. That's litterally why guns should be banned...

I realize that America is way beyond a realistic ban, but your love of weaponry is merely fuel on the fire.

3:

You're reacting emotionally because you don't like to be compared with a murderer.... Still, you have no idea what's going on in your friends' heads; or even your own, if pushed enough.

The vast majority of criminals are perfectly normal people, apart from a couple of deviations. They don't carry a "villain persona" around with them.

4:

I did'nt say it was hard. Feel free to actually go and do it, I doubt it'll be a cherished experience.

This particular guy orchestrated his shooting with media attention in mind. I'll bet you that he's severely depressed, anti-social and insecure. Statistically, people like him are shy creatures, whom both desire and fear social bonds.

Your average person would never dare to purchase an illegal weapon, despite morals; I highly doubt he'd be able to make himself seek out the relevant people. Dominant personalities are like poison to people with little self-esteem.

5:

I suppose it's great that you're comfortable with your vicinity being saturated with firearms, I'm not.

Between madmen, clumsy people, idiots, nervous types, vigilantes andGeorge Zimmermans, I'd prefer not to supply everyone and their dog, with an easy and impersonal way of extinguishing life.

Worst thing about guns is that they're so damn easy to use. You even get to imagine your favorite action movie, instead of having to physically partake in the experience of a death.

Edit:

I do agree that the issue goes way beyond legislation; it's an issue of culture now.

The islamic idea of woman being property does'nt fit in a modern world, neither does the idea that everyone should be armed and potentially lethal.

More guns solves everything.