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today FEMA has once again "interveened" in a natural disater set to happen in a US state. 1st it was katrina now the texas wildfires. the texas national guard currently deployed overseas isnt there leaving the firefighters and volunteer firefighters and sherif departments and other such groups to fight it. up till today. now any and all firecrews have been told to stand down until FEMA gets set up. ya knw the same group that did such a great job helping to control new orleans :roll:

the infamous city of austin currently stand alone figuratively (and nearly literaly) encircled by the wildfires and unless action is taken now, tomorrow and every day after. will probably be reduced to ashes, steel I beams and rubble.

http://tulsachange.com/as-wildfires-rage-across-texas-feds-take-control-and-scuttle-volunteer-firefighters

fema is a slow moving system. it does nothing for the ability to do anything productive for emergency crews. they have in fact made things worse.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/060905femasabotaging.htm

and who sent then.. well i dont mean this as ana ttack on him but facts are fact.. the one, the only rick.. perry

yes the guy running for the presidency in 2012.. THAT rick perry. he said im sending em tomorrow... yesterday

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/texas-cut-fire-department-funding-by-75-percent-this-year/#.TmZzHOUkmtI.facebook

im not making this up here, wish i was. texas your effectively done for, nless FEMA stops being counter productive or fire crews give them the international symbol of displeasure and get back to work. as a person that yearly worries about rivers swelling and flooding.. im rooting for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IUSZyjiYuY&feature=related

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forest fires are necessary in stable ecological environments and are good for the soil among other things.

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the infamous city of austin currently stand alone figuratively (and nearly literaly) encircled by the wildfires and unless action is taken now, tomorrow and every day after. will probably be reduced to ashes, steel I beams and rubble.

ionusX
That sounds like a very reasonable and not in the slightest hyperdramatic assessment of the situation
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="ionusX"]

the infamous city of austin currently stand alone figuratively (and nearly literaly) encircled by the wildfires and unless action is taken now, tomorrow and every day after. will probably be reduced to ashes, steel I beams and rubble.

That sounds like a very reasonable and not in the slightest hyperdramatic assessment of the situation

That's what happens to "infamous" cities.
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forest fires are necessary in stable ecological environments and are good for the soil among other things.

UniverseIX

except when 1000s of homes are wiped off the earth

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[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]

forest fires are necessary in stable ecological environments and are good for the soil among other things.

wis3boi

except when 1000s of homes are wiped off the earth

I don't see how having more homes, specifically the large ones that we construct in western society, would make the earth a better place. People want more jobs, right? Can't hurt to let homes burn down. Then insurance companies can swoop in and people can build new ones.

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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]

forest fires are necessary in stable ecological environments and are good for the soil among other things.

UniverseIX

except when 1000s of homes are wiped off the earth

I don't see how having more homes, specifically the large ones that we construct in western society, would make the earth a better place. People want more jobs, right? Can't hurt to let homes burn down. Then insurance companies can swoop in and people can build new ones.

.....no comment
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forest fires are necessary in stable ecological environments and are good for the soil among other things.UniverseIX

And forest fires that burn down entire cities are good for... population control?!?

Because that's how it is right now. Not even talking about Austin here, a town a few miles from Austin has lost more than 1000 homes.

The TC is using the language of The National Equiror unfortunately, but I don't think it's a stretch that Austin is going to have some serious damage if the fire spreads there. In fact, I'm surprised a wildfire hasn't started there on its own. I was at my boss' house in Austin a short time ago, and the grass was as dry as I've ever seen it, and had a smell like it was on fire already. I thought we had it bad in Houston, but it's nowhere near as bad as it was there.

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Wtf is wrong with them?! People are dying! Screw FEMA. The firefighters should be saving lives
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[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]forest fires are necessary in stable ecological environments and are good for the soil among other things.m0zart

And forest fires that burn down entire cities are good for... population control?!?

Because that's how it is right now. Not even talking about Austin here, a town a few miles from Austin has lost more than 1000 homes.

The TC is using the language of The National Equiror unfortunately, but I don't think it's a stretch that Austin is going to have some serious damage if the fire spreads there. In fact, I'm surprised a wildfire hasn't started there on its own. I was at my boss' house in Austin a short time ago, and the grass was as dry as I've ever seen it, and had a smell like it was on fire already. I thought we had it bad in Houston, but it's nowhere near as bad as it was there.

Destruction is good for business within communities that have the money to rebuild. It stimulates economies better than most other alternative methods.
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[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]forest fires are necessary in stable ecological environments and are good for the soil among other things.m0zart

And forest fires that burn down entire cities are good for... population control?!?

Because that's how it is right now. Not even talking about Austin here, a town a few miles from Austin has lost more than 1000 homes.

The TC is using the language of The National Equiror unfortunately, but I don't think it's a stretch that Austin is going to have some serious damage if the fire spreads there. In fact, I'm surprised a wildfire hasn't started there on its own. I was at my boss' house in Austin a short time ago, and the grass was as dry as I've ever seen it, and had a smell like it was on fire already. I thought we had it bad in Houston, but it's nowhere near as bad as it was there.

we're in the third day of rain, here
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]

forest fires are necessary in stable ecological environments and are good for the soil among other things.

UniverseIX

except when 1000s of homes are wiped off the earth

I don't see how having more homes, specifically the large ones that we construct in western society, would make the earth a better place. People want more jobs, right? Can't hurt to let homes burn down. Then insurance companies can swoop in and people can build new ones.

In that case why don't we just take down every home in the country and rebuild them?

That was easy, employment problem solved

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Wtf is wrong with them?! People are dying! Screw FEMA. The firefighters should be saving livesCapitan_Kid
people can't evacuate safely?
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I think this fire is a messae from God telling the people of Texas to teach evolution in schools. :P

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[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]Wtf is wrong with them?! People are dying! Screw FEMA. The firefighters should be saving livesUniverseIX
people can't evacuate safely?

evacuation is never quite safe
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#16 UniverseIX
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[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

except when 1000s of homes are wiped off the earth

JML897

I don't see how having more homes, specifically the large ones that we construct in western society, would make the earth a better place. People want more jobs, right? Can't hurt to let homes burn down. Then insurance companies can swoop in and people can build new ones.

In that case why don't we just take down every home in the country and rebuild them?

That was easy, employment problem solved

that doesn't apply to what I was saying. I was proposing something fairly moderate. You come up with something extreme and wide sweeping. Which never works.
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="ionusX"]

the infamous city of austin currently stand alone figuratively (and nearly literaly) encircled by the wildfires and unless action is taken now, tomorrow and every day after. will probably be reduced to ashes, steel I beams and rubble.

sonicare

That sounds like a very reasonable and not in the slightest hyperdramatic assessment of the situation

That's what happens to "infamous" cities.

well id expect you to be able to tell me what state austin is in. its not like tinyville or w/e spot that nobodies heard of before. hence why i called it infamous. if your taking a pot shot at my wording go right ahead.. but i think you should at least open your mind to the possibility of bad things getting worse. and a very well known city suffering as a result.

if i sound like a sensationalist as the mdoerator has pointed out i apologize but there is never the less alot of damage that could be done to the state and its inhabitants.

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Destruction is good for business within communities that have the money to rebuild. It stimulates economies better than most other alternative methods.UniverseIX

There is no way you can really state that with certainty. Money gets poured into community in situations like this to replace damage to existing wealth. That doesn't automatically turn into an investment boon that grows beyond the loss experienced. Stop being so flippant about something like this with your assumptions.

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[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]Destruction is good for business within communities that have the money to rebuild. It stimulates economies better than most other alternative methods.m0zart

There is no way you can really state that with certainty. Money gets poured into community in situations like this to replace damage to existing wealth. That doesn't automatically turn into an investment boon that grows beyond the loss experienced. Stop being so flippant about something like this with your assumptions.

no, not with certainty. But I think a little bit of damage is every bodies best interest now and then. Things can't go up indefinitely and people need reasons to get behind certain things. A good tragedy can be a good building block for rallying together to get things done, or not, depends what the people do with it.
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[QUOTE="UniverseIX"][QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]Wtf is wrong with them?! People are dying! Screw FEMA. The firefighters should be saving livesJandurin
people can't evacuate safely?

evacuation is never quite safe

It's also not going to prevent them from losing everything. My co-worker has been evacuated from Bastrop, and though he isn't for certain because all he has is general reports on the area around his home, he's relatively sure his home is one of the hundreds that no longer exists.

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we're in the third day of rain, hereJandurin
Have you seen Ellicott City? Main Street flooded. Suck.
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="UniverseIX"] people can't evacuate safely?m0zart

evacuation is never quite safe

It's also not going to prevent them from losing everything. My co-worker has been evacuated from Bastrop, and though he isn't for certain because all he has is general reports on the area around his home, he's relatively sure his home is one of the hundreds that no longer exists.

dang dude thats not very positive.

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[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

except when 1000s of homes are wiped off the earth

JML897

I don't see how having more homes, specifically the large ones that we construct in western society, would make the earth a better place. People want more jobs, right? Can't hurt to let homes burn down. Then insurance companies can swoop in and people can build new ones.

In that case why don't we just take down every home in the country and rebuild them?

That was easy, employment problem solved

yep, lets tear everything down, Manhattan too! We can rebuild, make hard labor and low paying jobs the norm, then when it's rebuilt....rip it down again! It's like Lego-conomy!

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]we're in the third day of rain, hereEngrish_Major
Have you seen Ellicott City? Main Street flooded. Suck.

;ooooooooo no i have NOT seen haven't been there in a while  snap
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[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="UniverseIX"] I don't see how having more homes, specifically the large ones that we construct in western society, would make the earth a better place. People want more jobs, right? Can't hurt to let homes burn down. Then insurance companies can swoop in and people can build new ones.

wis3boi

In that case why don't we just take down every home in the country and rebuild them?

That was easy, employment problem solved

yep, lets tear everything down, Manhattan too! We can rebuild, make hard labor and low paying jobs the norm, then when it's rebuilt....rip it down again! It's like Lego-conomy!

nomadic new yorkers.. oh lawl id love to see that XD

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[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]Wtf is wrong with them?! People are dying! Screw FEMA. The firefighters should be saving livesUniverseIX
people can't evacuate safely?

Bro you serious?
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"] ;ooooooooo no i have NOT seen haven't been there in a while

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdaaYIom30I
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[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="xaos"] That sounds like a very reasonable and not in the slightest hyperdramatic assessment of the situationionusX

That's what happens to "infamous" cities.

well id expect you to be able to tell me what state austin is in. its not like tinyville or w/e spot that nobodies heard of before. hence why i called it infamous. if your taking a pot shot at my wording go right ahead.. but i think you should at least open your mind to the possibility of bad things getting worse. and a very well known city suffering as a result.

if i sound like a sensationalist as the mdoerator has pointed out i apologize but there is never the less alot of damage that could be done to the state and its inhabitants.

I think you are confusing infamous with famous.
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http://www.examiner.com/weather-in-baltimore/ellicott-city-flooding-video wow omg the brewery! the basement is going to be flooded
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"] omg the brewery! the basement is going to be flooded

Yes, that is what I fear. TC, sorry to change this topic to one about a Maryland town. As I have quenched my thirst with many a drink there, it holds a special place in my heart. The sight of liquid pouring down the main arterial creates a harshly symbolic irony of great memories of alcohol pouring down my throat. To be on topic - I hate fire
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[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

except when 1000s of homes are wiped off the earth

bpthomas85

I don't see how having more homes, specifically the large ones that we construct in western society, would make the earth a better place. People want more jobs, right? Can't hurt to let homes burn down. Then insurance companies can swoop in and people can build new ones.

set yourself on fire. youll give jobs to doctors or youll reduce your carbon footprint in the long run

Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for the night. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"] omg the brewery! the basement is going to be floodedEngrish_Major
Yes, that is what I fear. TC, sorry to change this topic to one about a Maryland town. As I have quenched my thirst with many a drink there, it holds a special place in my heart. The sight of liquid pouring down the main arterial creates a harshly symbolic irony of great memories of alcohol pouring down my throat. To be on topic - I hate fire

all good major.. all good

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[QUOTE="bpthomas85"][QUOTE="UniverseIX"] I don't see how having more homes, specifically the large ones that we construct in western society, would make the earth a better place. People want more jobs, right? Can't hurt to let homes burn down. Then insurance companies can swoop in and people can build new ones.

wis3boi

set yourself on fire. youll give jobs to doctors or youll reduce your carbon footprint in the long run

Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for the night. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life

yeah for what short amount of time he/she would have left!

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Like Ron Paul said. FEMA certainly is worthless. In New Orleans it was various charity and church groups who did most of the philanthropy, not the tax-funded cesspool that is FEMA. Shame they're getting in the way again, but is it really a surprise? Slow, incompetent government workers from several states away are brought in and tell locals to stand down. It's only typical that they would be completely ineffective...

Here's hoping I'm wrong and they redeem themself for the sake of the people living there.

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[QUOTE="m0zart"]

[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]forest fires are necessary in stable ecological environments and are good for the soil among other things.Jandurin

And forest fires that burn down entire cities are good for... population control?!?

Because that's how it is right now. Not even talking about Austin here, a town a few miles from Austin has lost more than 1000 homes.

The TC is using the language of The National Equiror unfortunately, but I don't think it's a stretch that Austin is going to have some serious damage if the fire spreads there. In fact, I'm surprised a wildfire hasn't started there on its own. I was at my boss' house in Austin a short time ago, and the grass was as dry as I've ever seen it, and had a smell like it was on fire already. I thought we had it bad in Houston, but it's nowhere near as bad as it was there.

we're in the third day of rain, here

same.
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Took him seriously for about half a second then I read that the source was Prison Planet. The same site that likes to claim FEMA has set up camps to secretly imprison all of America.

This isn't Deus Ex yo.

From the topbar of one of the sources.

:lol:

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Took him seriously for about half a second then I read that the source was Prison Planet. The same site that likes to claim FEMA has set up camps to secretly imprison all of America.

This isn't Deus Ex yo.

majoras_wrath

prisonplanet sint my only source.. i suggest you stop tossing a whole event out the window as important and concerning because of one link "you dont approve of"

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[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]

Took him seriously for about half a second then I read that the source was Prison Planet. The same site that likes to claim FEMA has set up camps to secretly imprison all of America.

This isn't Deus Ex yo.

ionusX

prisonplanet sint my only source.. i suggest you stop tossing a whole event out the window as important and concerning because of one link "you dont approve of"

Sorry, I made you look good for a second there. You cited3 different conspiracy theory websites.

"FEMA is clearly using this human catastrophe as a means of executing its decade long plans and providing the pretext for future takeover scenarios of all major American cities."

Clearly. :lol:

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[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]

Took him seriously for about half a second then I read that the source was Prison Planet. The same site that likes to claim FEMA has set up camps to secretly imprison all of America.

This isn't Deus Ex yo.

majoras_wrath

prisonplanet sint my only source.. i suggest you stop tossing a whole event out the window as important and concerning because of one link "you dont approve of"

Sorry, I made you look good for a second there. You cited3 different conspiracy theoy websites.

okay well you go around pretending that peoples houses havent been destroyed then.. thats cool with me. and you also continue living ignoring that this is in fact what rick perry did.. and you also continue ignoring that this is indeed what fema has done and told firefighters not to do their jobs.. and to isntead stand around in a field till FEMA gets "set up"

http://blog.chron.com/rickperry/2011/09/more-than-600-homes-destroyed-in-bastrop-area/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/05/us-texas-wildfires-idUSTRE78426D20110905

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/politics/Perry-White-House-Denies-Disaster-Status-for-Wildfires-121226234.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/05/fema-refuses-texas-disaster-declaration-fires/

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#41 majoras_wrath
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[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

prisonplanet sint my only source.. i suggest you stop tossing a whole event out the window as important and concerning because of one link "you dont approve of"

ionusX

Sorry, I made you look good for a second there. You cited3 different conspiracy theoy websites.

okay well you go around pretending that peoples houses havent been destroyed then.. thats cool with me. and you also continue living ignoring that this is in fact what rick perry did.. and you also continue ignoring that this is indeed what fema has done and told firefighters not to do their jobs.. and to isntead stand around in a field till FEMA gets "set up"

Cite a reputable source and then we'll talk. Another thing I laughed at: PrisonPlanet says they have "credible" sources but then never cites them :lol:
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#42 BMD004
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]

forest fires are necessary in stable ecological environments and are good for the soil among other things.

UniverseIX

except when 1000s of homes are wiped off the earth

I don't see how having more homes, specifically the large ones that we construct in western society, would make the earth a better place. People want more jobs, right? Can't hurt to let homes burn down. Then insurance companies can swoop in and people can build new ones.

Economic fallacies FTW.
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#43 bpthomas85
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the fires are definately real the whole thing about stopping fire fighters from doing their job is a conspiracy theory.
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#44 BMD004
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And I don't think that is true... I have a friend who is a volunteer fire fighter and he got a call yesterday to go down to Bastrop, Texas and help with the fire.

He sent me this picture yesterday:

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#45 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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the world's on fire ;s
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#46 Engrish_Major
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the world's on fire ;sJandurin
That town and Ellicott City need to join forces somehow.
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#47 deactivated-5fc147aeeb0aa
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I wonder if Michelle Bachman will comment that the fires are a message from god like the East Coast earthquake and Irene.

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#48 Engrish_Major
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I wonder if Michelle Bachman will comment that the fires are a message from god like the East Coast earthquake and Irene.

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Well, the largest damage from the earthquake was to the National Cathedral, and the tropical storms today blew down the crane that was repairing the National Cathedral. So, if this is God's wrath, then we've got the wrong idea about what he likes.
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#49 majoras_wrath
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I wonder if Michelle Bachman will comment that the fires are a message from god like the East Coast earthquake and Irene.

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Bu-bu-bu-but Texans are good god-fearing amuricans! It's obviously the liberal commie trees rioting! :P
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#50 194197844077667059316682358889
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the fires are definately real the whole thing about stopping fire fighters from doing their job is a conspiracy theory.bpthomas85
Wow, yeah googling on this it does seem like this is pure conspiracy bunk; I didn't even notice that TC was using "sources" like prisonplanet