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#201 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Statutory_AP3"]

Yes. I would call all almost all of those huge pro.s

_en1gma_

Most of that list is merely impressions and as such not valid....and some are not what I'd want to experience.

There are tons of effects of alcohol that I'd not want to experience.

You have heard two wrongs.....;)

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#202 spliffstar12
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Statutory_AP3"]

Yes. I would call all almost all of those huge pro.s

Statutory_AP3

Most of that list is merely impressions and as such not valid....and some are not what I'd want to experience.

What wouldn't you want to experience?

some of the pros were stupid. how is cotton mouth a pro
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#203 dared3vil0
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I think neither. Let them do as they please, its not me they're hurting.

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Well said.

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#204 Statutory_AP3
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[QUOTE="Statutory_AP3"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Most of that list is merely impressions and as such not valid....and some are not what I'd want to experience.

spliffstar12

What wouldn't you want to experience?

some of the pros were stupid. how is cotton mouth a pro

I said there were cons also. Did anyone actually read what I posted at the bottom? I said I included cons and pros.

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#205 JPOBS
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Post some cons for me then.

Statutory_AP3

they are already listed in that post, the only one i care to add is that it can cause emphysema.

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#206 _en1gma_
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[QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"] For smoking it? Relieve stress, increases appetite, reduces nausea, helps people with sleep disorders, relieves pain, lifts your mood, creates ideas, etc... there are much more. There are also benefits for legalizing it..economic, legal, and logical benefits. I don't really feel like doing research for you. It's easily accessible for you. Do your own research.

I know a lot of things about weed already, and the reaosn why i wanted to see what stoners would say is because a lot of stoners dont have any concrete support for the claim that "there are lots of pros to smoking weed" and by that, what i mean is, almost all of weeds pros are MEDICAL, in which case, weed is technically already "legal" as it is being distributed today as a bush medicine. so if you want to talk strictly about weed and why its good in some cases, fine i concede. however, stoners do not benefit from any of these bonuses, or let me put it this way, the main goal behind smoking weed for most people is not the so called "pros" they like to push in hopes of making it legal. From a stoners perspective, there is really very little pros to list against cons suffered from habtual weed smoking, and dont feed me that "increased appreciation for music and arts" etc lol hippie propaganda at its finest.

The fact still remains that the pros outweigh the cons..for both smoking and legalizing it.
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#207 spliffstar12
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[QUOTE="spliffstar12"][QUOTE="Statutory_AP3"] What wouldn't you want to experience?Statutory_AP3

some of the pros were stupid. how is cotton mouth a pro

I said there were cons also. Did anyone actually read what I posted at the bottom? I said I included cons and pros.

it was in the pro section though
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#208 XxWOND3RB3ADxX
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"Varying amounts of paranoia and anxiety in some users" let just legalize it today

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#209 Statutory_AP3
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"Varying amounts of paranoia and anxiety in some users" let just legalize it today

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Some users, not all users.
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#211 Neon-Tiger
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"Varying amounts of paranoia and anxiety in some users" let just legalize it today

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Avoidable sarcasm was avoidable. It's cool making laws that affect everyone based on what it does to a small group of people. Amirite?
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#212 spliffstar12
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[QUOTE="Statutory_AP3"]

[QUOTE="spliffstar12"] some of the pros were stupid. how is cotton mouth a prospliffstar12

I said there were cons also. Did anyone actually read what I posted at the bottom? I said I included cons and pros.

it was in the pro section though

my bad i just reread it and the pros and cons weren't separated lol
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The fact still remains that the pros outweigh the cons..for both smoking and legalizing it._en1gma_
You might want to provide some....

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#214 XxWOND3RB3ADxX
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Still come on really

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#215 _en1gma_
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"Varying amounts of paranoia and anxiety in some users" let just legalize it today

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:| that is a con. And one that generally NEVER happens. To the few people that it does cause...it has to do with the mindset before smoking. Namely worrying about getting caught from the police because it is illegal. ;)
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#216 JPOBS
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"] For smoking it? Relieve stress, increases appetite, reduces nausea, helps people with sleep disorders, relieves pain, lifts your mood, creates ideas, etc... there are much more. There are also benefits for legalizing it..economic, legal, and logical benefits. I don't really feel like doing research for you. It's easily accessible for you. Do your own research.

I know a lot of things about weed already, and the reaosn why i wanted to see what stoners would say is because a lot of stoners dont have any concrete support for the claim that "there are lots of pros to smoking weed" and by that, what i mean is, almost all of weeds pros are MEDICAL, in which case, weed is technically already "legal" as it is being distributed today as a bush medicine. so if you want to talk strictly about weed and why its good in some cases, fine i concede. however, stoners do not benefit from any of these bonuses, or let me put it this way, the main goal behind smoking weed for most people is not the so called "pros" they like to push in hopes of making it legal. From a stoners perspective, there is really very little pros to list against cons suffered from habtual weed smoking, and dont feed me that "increased appreciation for music and arts" etc lol hippie propaganda at its finest.

The fact still remains that the pros outweigh the cons..for both smoking and legalizing it.

for smoking? no. legalizing, sure, i dont care
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#217 XxWOND3RB3ADxX
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Why would they list that as a con if it was a mindset before that doesn't make any sense what are u talking about.

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#219 _en1gma_
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Why would they list that as a con if it was a mindset before that doesn't make any sense what are u talking about.

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#220 JPOBS
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[QUOTE="XxWOND3RB3ADxX"]

"Varying amounts of paranoia and anxiety in some users" let just legalize it today

_en1gma_
:| that is a con. And one that generally NEVER happens. To the few people that it does cause...it has to do with the mindset before smoking. Namely worrying about getting caught from the police because it is illegal. ;)

funny, i find that the only people this doesnt happen to are the most chronic users. i've seen more than enough evidence with my own eyes to say confidently that increased paranoia occurs in all but the most seasoned smokers.
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#221 XxWOND3RB3ADxX
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Why?

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#222 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="XxWOND3RB3ADxX"]

Why would they list that as a con if it was a mindset before that doesn't make any sense what are u talking about.

kidcool189

just quit posting in this thread

You can't tell someone they can't post.:?

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#224 Statutory_AP3
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[QUOTE="spliffstar12"][QUOTE="Statutory_AP3"] I said there were cons also. Did anyone actually read what I posted at the bottom? I said I included cons and pros.

spliffstar12

it was in the pro section though

my bad i just reread it and the pros and cons weren't separated lol

Yeah, I just copy and pasted it.

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#225 _en1gma_
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Why?

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Why what? Do you want me to restate what I just said?
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#226 spliffstar12
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Why would they list that as a con if it was a mindset before that doesn't make any sense what are u talking about.

XxWOND3RB3ADxX
the mindset before smoking caused the paranoia...
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#227 Statutory_AP3
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="XxWOND3RB3ADxX"]

"Varying amounts of paranoia and anxiety in some users" let just legalize it today

JPOBS
:| that is a con. And one that generally NEVER happens. To the few people that it does cause...it has to do with the mindset before smoking. Namely worrying about getting caught from the police because it is illegal. ;)

funny, i find that the only people this doesnt happen to are the most chronic users. i've seen more than enough evidence with my own eyes to say confidently that increased paranoia occurs in all but the most seasoned smokers.

Yep, thats some great evidence there. I SAW IT SO IT MUST BE TRUE!!!
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[QUOTE="spliffstar12"][QUOTE="spliffstar12"] it was in the pro section thoughStatutory_AP3

my bad i just reread it and the pros and cons weren't separated lol

Yeah, I just copy and pasted it.

More cons than pros though....

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[QUOTE="Statutory_AP3"][QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"] :| that is a con. And one that generally NEVER happens. To the few people that it does cause...it has to do with the mindset before smoking. Namely worrying about getting caught from the police because it is illegal. ;)

funny, i find that the only people this doesnt happen to are the most chronic users. i've seen more than enough evidence with my own eyes to say confidently that increased paranoia occurs in all but the most seasoned smokers.

Yep, thats some great evidence there. I SAW IT SO IT MUST BE TRUE!!!

They were soooo paranoid, man. So paranoid.
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#230 Tezcatlipoca666
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I don't smoke pot and I am for decriminalization and eventual legalization.

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#231 Sway-
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Sure it should be legalized.
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#232 XxWOND3RB3ADxX
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"Increased appetite" How is that a pro when we are nation dealing with high obesity rates

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#233 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Legalized, there is absolutely no reason when studies have found it to beless addictive than caffiene.. Furthermore the war on drugs is a utter failure, and our tax dollars are going down a bottomless pit of failure in which drug usage is hardly going down, while we have our prisons overflowing with the said drug offenders.. We have more people in prison than China.. A communist country that is almost 4 times our population.. Furthermore I have also read studies where on average drug users are put in prison for longer periods of time over violent offenders..

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#234 Statutory_AP3
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[QUOTE="Statutory_AP3"]

[QUOTE="spliffstar12"] my bad i just reread it and the pros and cons weren't separated lolLJS9502_basic

Yeah, I just copy and pasted it.

More cons than pros though....

That is your opinion, and in my opinion I believe there are more pros.
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[QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"] :| that is a con. And one that generally NEVER happens. To the few people that it does cause...it has to do with the mindset before smoking. Namely worrying about getting caught from the police because it is illegal. ;)Statutory_AP3
funny, i find that the only people this doesnt happen to are the most chronic users. i've seen more than enough evidence with my own eyes to say confidently that increased paranoia occurs in all but the most seasoned smokers.

Yep, thats some great evidence there. I SAW IT SO IT MUST BE TRUE!!!

What makes what you said any more reliable than what he said?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Statutory_AP3"] Yeah, I just copy and pasted it.

Statutory_AP3

More cons than pros though....

That is your opinion, and in my opinion I believe there are more pros.

I'm going by the list you posted.:|

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#237 _en1gma_
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"Increased appetite" How is that a pro when we are nation dealing with high obesity rates

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Only in certain circumstances..that is only a medical pro (helps cancer patients)
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Statutory_AP3"] Yeah, I just copy and pasted it.

Statutory_AP3

More cons than pros though....

That is your opinion, and in my opinion I believe there are more pros.

You cant have an opinion when it comes to an amount of something. If you cant see the cons then you are just being hard headed.

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#240 XxWOND3RB3ADxX
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"Enhancement of many other drug effects such as alcohol, Ecstasy, tobacco, heroin, cocaine..." Nope not a gateway drug nooooo!

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#241 spliffstar12
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[QUOTE="Statutory_AP3"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]More cons than pros though....

LJS9502_basic

That is your opinion, and in my opinion I believe there are more pros.

I'm going by the list you posted.:|

which ones do you think were cons?
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#242 Statutory_AP3
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[QUOTE="Statutory_AP3"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]funny, i find that the only people this doesnt happen to are the most chronic users. i've seen more than enough evidence with my own eyes to say confidently that increased paranoia occurs in all but the most seasoned smokers. Hungry_Jello

Yep, thats some great evidence there. I SAW IT SO IT MUST BE TRUE!!!

What makes what you said any more reliable than what he said?

Ive posted websites. He hasn't.
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"Enhancement of many other drug effects such as alcohol, Ecstasy, tobacco, heroin, cocaine..." Nope not a gateway drug nooooo!

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... By that definition you can say that alcohol and tobacco is a gateway drug for pot as well.. And those are actually chemically addictive..
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[QUOTE="XxWOND3RB3ADxX"]

"Enhancement of many other drug effects such as alcohol, Ecstasy, tobacco, heroin, cocaine..." Nope not a gateway drug nooooo!

sSubZerOo

... By that definition you can say that alcohol and tobacco is a gateway drug for pot as well.. And those are actually chemically addictive..

Except that is the definition given by a pro legalization individual....

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[QUOTE="Statutory_AP3"]

[Exactly. Also, you haven't addressed my issue of weed causing death. Nice strawman arugement.

LJS9502_basic

Well it's your argument. Here is one such site which by the way mentions two overdoses.Here.

I'm guessing the deaths were caused by a preexisting condition, probably in the heart, that was made worse when marijuana increased the heart rate. The LD-50 is about 1500 lbs smoked within 15 minutes, so i doubt they were caused by an actual toxic/lethal dose of marijuana. And drugwatch.org doesn't seem like the most reliable, unbiased source.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="XxWOND3RB3ADxX"]

"Enhancement of many other drug effects such as alcohol, Ecstasy, tobacco, heroin, cocaine..." Nope not a gateway drug nooooo!

... By that definition you can say that alcohol and tobacco is a gateway drug for pot as well.. And those are actually chemically addictive..

Except that is the definition given by a pro legalization individual....

............ I was never refuting their poitn I was pointing out if we are talkinga bout enhancing the experiences of others.. alcohol could be the exact same way.. One can say that alochol increases the enhancement of ectasy, pot etc etc.. They both stimulate a more intense reaction for their depressent properties..
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I'm guessing the deaths were caused by a preexisting condition, probably in the heart, that was made worse when marijuana increased the heart rate. The LD-50 is about 1500 lbs smoked within 15 minutes, so i doubt they were caused by an actual toxic/lethal dose of marijuana. And drugwatch.org doesn't seem like the most reliable, unbiased source. pis3rch
You're guessing huh? They break down the marijuana related deaths in those areas. They are NOT zero. Which he asserted.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] ... By that definition you can say that alcohol and tobacco is a gateway drug for pot as well.. And those are actually chemically addictive.. sSubZerOo

Except that is the definition given by a pro legalization individual....

............ I was never refuting their poitn I was pointing out if we are talkinga bout enhancing the experiences of others.. alcohol could be the exact same way.. One can say that alochol increases the enhancement of ectasy, pot etc etc.. They both stimulate a more intense reaction for their depressent properties..

Alcohol is not a stimulant...

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so you gave us 2 extreme options? nice..>.>