for the first time I completely disagree with you Mr. Obama

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]I don't like the fact that we are starving ourselves of something that we absolutely need because of the environment. The Earth has been around for around 4 billion years, what little effect we humans have on the environment, the planet could just shrug off after a few hundred years. Now I'm all for alternative fuels to loose are dependence on getting oil from dirtbag misogynistic nations that still show public executions, but I know that alternative fuels are still pretty far away. topgunmv

From everything I've heard, there are several options available ready to go, some of which are easily adoptable to current engiens and gas stations. The reason we haven't made the shift to alternative fuels? We don't have to.

Obama isa joke!

Lets screw the environment over so we can get a minor amount of oil rather than investing in future fuels.

Obama isa joke!

[QUOTE="Gaming-Planet"][QUOTE="Serraph105"] do you have reasons behind this? or is it just a random bashing post?Serraph105

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="Gaming-Planet"] Change. Hope. etc etc. Never saw it from him.Gaming-Planet

[QUOTE="Gaming-Planet"][QUOTE="Serraph105"] *raises eyebrow* he changed the healthcare system and he has strengthened foreign relations, just saying.Serraph105

I agree with offshore drilling.

If it's any consolation, he's not really expanding drilling at all. He's closing off other important areas while he opens up the new ones. It's a complete show game designed to win him sympathy from the right.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, we should be drilling everywhere until oil runs out. There is no way we will be independent of fossil fuels in the next 50 years. Too much of our country relies on it, and we should accept that fact. We should also, however, continue developing renewable energy.

If it's any consolation, he's not really expanding drilling at all. He's closing off other important areas while he opens up the new ones. It's a complete show game designed to win him sympathy from the right.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, we should be drilling everywhere until oil runs out. There is no way we will be independent of fossil fuels in the next 50 years. Too much of our country relies on it, and we should accept that fact. We should also, however, continue developing renewable energy.

Elephant_Couple

I also am not too excited about this. More oil? That's not exactly what the world needs right now. Acemaster27

Drilling your own oil from the shores is better for the environment then waging wars for oil. BTW the environment crap is all bull

Yeah I disagree here too.

Doesn't seem to me the environmental risks are worth it for something that we won't benefit from for at least a decade and even then will only knock like a few cents off gas prices.

Lets just go invade some other country and take their oil....

We can't let our children deal with the effects of Obamas horrible healthcare plan in the future!

But the effects of totally destroying the enviroment and making it nigh uninhabitable for people? Yeah, kids can deal with that. lol who cares, we'll be dead by then amirite?

so u think he should just let us be 100 percent dependant upon foreign oil? i dont get you libs. you say we shouldnt bother with the mid east but when we try to find our oil u cry about that too. we have to get oil somewhere....Trollsters

Or we could, you know, stop using oil.

It's going to be gone eventually. Most likely sooner than later. It is not an infinite supply.

Obama is alll over the place. he cant seem to make uo his mind about where he stands .

dontshackzmii

[QUOTE="Trollsters"]so u think he should just let us be 100 percent dependant upon foreign oil? i dont get you libs. you say we shouldnt bother with the mid east but when we try to find our oil u cry about that too. we have to get oil somewhere....Pixel-Pirate

Or we could, you know, stop using oil.

It's going to be gone eventually. Most likely sooner than later. It is not an infinite supply.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Trollsters"]so u think he should just let us be 100 percent dependant upon foreign oil? i dont get you libs. you say we shouldnt bother with the mid east but when we try to find our oil u cry about that too. we have to get oil somewhere....Trollsters

Or we could, you know, stop using oil.

It's going to be gone eventually. Most likely sooner than later. It is not an infinite supply.

Half the cars in Brazil run on ethanol, the rest run on a gas/ethanol blend. If Brazil can do it, I have a hard time believing that the U.S. can't.

To be honest, I don't understand how this will put a significant dent in our demand for energy in the future. I still think it is a good idea though. I am sure people will have a keen eye out to make sure the local environments are not oliterated. :P However, I think a lot of states will have a "NIMBY" attitude when it comes to the offshore drilling, either because of health or security concerns.

I wholeheartedly agree with Pixel Pirate that there should be a concerted effort between the scientific community and the government to find a sustainable alternative energy technology and strengthen it's infrastructure.

The way things are going now though, I think the U.S. will default to coal and "clean coal" technology in times of crisis which does not sit well with me. We have to find a way to power the transportation sector and right now, oil is the way.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Trollsters"]so u think he should just let us be 100 percent dependant upon foreign oil? i dont get you libs. you say we shouldnt bother with the mid east but when we try to find our oil u cry about that too. we have to get oil somewhere....Trollsters

Or we could, you know, stop using oil.

It's going to be gone eventually. Most likely sooner than later. It is not an infinite supply.

We'll probably run out by then. Perhaps I'd be less appaled at this "lol the enviroment juzt gunna fix itzelf" ideology if the government and the world started making an honest effort to ditch oil. But that won't happen. Oil companies wouldn't care for it, and they would rather the world burn than lose profit.

America and alot of the world sound like drug addicts "I can't just quit that easy, man! I'll quit, I just need my fix till then!"

For anyone remotely interested, I've had the pleasure to attend a few lectures and speak with by Prof. Nate Lewis. He is equally concerned about our energy needs and powering the planet in the foreseeable future. He has compiled a lot of reading and presentation material concerning the subject, which I wish to share with all of you - Global Energy Perspective.

[QUOTE="Trollsters"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Or we could, you know, stop using oil.

It's going to be gone eventually. Most likely sooner than later. It is not an infinite supply.

Pixel-Pirate

We'll probably run out by then. Perhaps I'd be less appaled at this "lol the enviroment juzt gunna fix itzelf" ideology if the government and the world started making an honest effort to ditch oil. But that won't happen. Oil companies wouldn't care for it, and they would rather the world burn than lose profit.

America and alot of the world sound like drug addicts "I can't just quit that easy, man! I'll quit, I just need my fix till then!"

I heard last night that there is a company that spent $50 million dollars to spread that ideology

I heard last night that there is a company that spent $50 million dollars to spread that ideology

Serraph105

To be honest, I don't understand how this will put a significant dent in our demand for energy in the future. I still think it is a good idea though. I am sure people will have a keen eye out to make sure the local environments are not oliterated. :P However, I think a lot of states will have a "NIMBY" attitude when it comes to the offshore drilling, either because of health or security concerns.

I wholeheartedly agree with Pixel Pirate that there should be a concerted effort between the scientific community and the government to find a sustainable alternative energy technology and strengthen it's infrastructure.

The way things are going now though, I think the U.S. will default to coal and "clean coal" technology in times of crisis which does not sit well with me. We have to find a way to power the transportation sector and right now, oil is the way.

entropyecho

Interestingly enough, there are two industries that are rising in big ways here in Michigan: Entertainment (We are poised to become a new Hollywood) and Green industries.

The green thinking seems to be growing at least and there is alot of interest in green technology so I hope that we can stop our use of oil and such in not too long of time. I personally hope some big breakthrough's happen so those green industries can grow and help create lots of jobs and such here in Michigan.

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]I don't like the fact that we are starving ourselves of something that we absolutely need because of the environment. The Earth has been around for around 4 billion years, what little effect we humans have on the environment, the planet could just shrug off after a few hundred years. Now I'm all for alternative fuels to loose are dependence on getting oil from dirtbag misogynistic nations that still show public executions, but I know that alternative fuels are still pretty far away. Pirate700

[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

To be honest, I don't understand how this will put a significant dent in our demand for energy in the future. I still think it is a good idea though. I am sure people will have a keen eye out to make sure the local environments are not oliterated. :P However, I think a lot of states will have a "NIMBY" attitude when it comes to the offshore drilling, either because of health or security concerns.

I wholeheartedly agree with Pixel Pirate that there should be a concerted effort between the scientific community and the government to find a sustainable alternative energy technology and strengthen it's infrastructure.

The way things are going now though, I think the U.S. will default to coal and "clean coal" technology in times of crisis which does not sit well with me. We have to find a way to power the transportation sector and right now, oil is the way.

LostProphetFLCL

Interestingly enough, there are two industries that are rising in big ways here in Michigan: Entertainment (We are poised to become a new Hollywood) and Green industries.

The green thinking seems to be growing at least and there is alot of interest in green technology so I hope that we can stop our use of oil and such in not too long of time. I personally hope some big breakthrough's happen so those green industries can grow and help create lots of jobs and such here in Michigan.

It's odd having all those movies filmed here. 50 Cent just filmed the trailer for his new movie at my University not too long ago.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

I heard last night that there is a company that spent $50 million dollars to spread that ideology

entropyecho

[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

I heard last night that there is a company that spent $50 million dollars to spread that ideology

Ontain

[QUOTE="Trollsters"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Or we could, you know, stop using oil.

It's going to be gone eventually. Most likely sooner than later. It is not an infinite supply.

topgunmv

Half the cars in Brazil run on ethanol, the rest run on a gas/ethanol blend. If Brazil can do it, I have a hard time believing that the U.S. can't.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

To be honest, I don't understand how this will put a significant dent in our demand for energy in the future. I still think it is a good idea though. I am sure people will have a keen eye out to make sure the local environments are not oliterated. :P However, I think a lot of states will have a "NIMBY" attitude when it comes to the offshore drilling, either because of health or security concerns.

I wholeheartedly agree with Pixel Pirate that there should be a concerted effort between the scientific community and the government to find a sustainable alternative energy technology and strengthen it's infrastructure.

The way things are going now though, I think the U.S. will default to coal and "clean coal" technology in times of crisis which does not sit well with me. We have to find a way to power the transportation sector and right now, oil is the way.

topgunmv

Interestingly enough, there are two industries that are rising in big ways here in Michigan: Entertainment (We are poised to become a new Hollywood) and Green industries.

The green thinking seems to be growing at least and there is alot of interest in green technology so I hope that we can stop our use of oil and such in not too long of time. I personally hope some big breakthrough's happen so those green industries can grow and help create lots of jobs and such here in Michigan.

It's odd having all those movies filmed here. 50 Cent just filmed the trailer for his new movie at my University not too long ago.

As someone with aspirations for film and music (The tax cuts causing all this go for music too), it is amazing!

I am actually a production assistant on a movie right now that is being looked at by Lions Gate and another huge movie company!

It was a brilliant idea on our state governments part to pass those tax cuts (and it is propbably the only thing they have done right...). If the industries grow here like expected it could completely turn our states economy around.

After all, it isn't just creating jobs for the filming, but boosting local businesses an insane amount (as after all, people need places to stay, need to get food, might need materials for the filming, etc.) and attracting more people to possibly move here to Michigan after we have been having people leave the state en masse.

brazil has a huge sugar industry that the us does not have which they can use in their ethanol generation. my understanding is corn is not as well suited for ethanol as sugar.comp_atkins

Alternatively, this is the first time Sarah Palin completely agrees with him. DRILL BABY DRILL.SteveTabernacle

I don't like this idea either...

I'm not surprised though. Through his campaign, he never really had any stong ideas for energy. I didn't know it would get this bad that he has to go to offshore drilling though, which is the equivalent of saying "I have no idea what do with the future of America's energy sources".

Its something we must do for the time being America at the moment is way to dependent on oil. Until we can start producing alternative energy efficiently its about the only option we got.

I'm also still waiting how the far right will try to play this against him haha.

[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"]Alternatively, this is the first time Sarah Palin completely agrees with him. DRILL BABY DRILL.Serraph105

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="entropyecho"]While they are technically right that the earth will "self-correct" they fail to mention the timescale in which this happens. :P

Serraph105

But...but...we need the oils! Or we might have to change!

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="Ontain"] that and previous self corrections lead to mass extinctions.Pixel-Pirate

But...but...we need the oils! Or we might have to change!

Of course we should develop new energy sources. I don't see the need to starve ourselves of the ones currently availible though.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"]Alternatively, this is the first time Sarah Palin completely agrees with him. DRILL BABY DRILL.Oblivionfan10

"Sarah Palin is alleging that White House plans to expand offshore oil-and-gas drilling are an effort to "shore up fading support" for climate change legislation and said the proposal creates roadblocks to new energy production."

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Well you know she couldn't stay quiet for to long.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="Ontain"] that and previous self corrections lead to mass extinctions.Pixel-Pirate

But...but...we need the oils! Or we might have to change!

The first time you disagree with him?

I didn't think that was possible after 6 months.