Fox News banned in Canada

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]Thats the problem, you should never allow the government to decide what a lie is.TheWalkingGhost

So the court system should just take every "not guilty" plea as truth and purjury shouldn't be a thing?

Better example. The SEC fines corporations for lying about business practices.

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

facts, i'd assume

airshocker

And you have facts that show Fox News lying consistently?

not on me, but if i searched around i'm sure i could get some examples. plus, i trust in the canadian government enough, that they themselves have looked up the past disparities between what fox news says and what the actual facts say to make a informed decision on this.

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

facts, i'd assume

airshocker

And you have facts that show Fox News lying consistently?

Just read through the comments section of the article.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="rocinante_"]

yes, but this thread is about media outlets lying. a bias doesn't necessarily mean that a media outlet lies.

Ravensmash

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

facts, i'd assume

rocinante_

And you have facts that show Fox News lying consistently?

not on me, but if i searched around i'm sure i could get some examples. plus, i trust in the canadian government enough, that they themselves have looked up the past disparities between what fox news says and what the actual facts say to make a informed decision on this.

not on me, but if i searched around i'm sure i could get some examples. plus, i trust in the canadian government enough, that they themselves have looked up the past disparities between what fox news says and what the actual facts say to make a informed decision on this.

rocinante_

Okay, just so we're clear they have to be examples of LYING. Not examples of getting something wrong, which every news station/anchor occaisionally does.

I'll wait.

Then they should be banned as well....no?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

not on me, but if i searched around i'm sure i could get some examples. plus, i trust in the canadian government enough, that they themselves have looked up the past disparities between what fox news says and what the actual facts say to make a informed decision on this.

airshocker

Okay, just so we're clear they have to be examples of LYING. Not examples of getting something wrong, which every news station/anchor occaisionally does.

I'll wait.

i'm not gonna search around to try and change your mind, because we both know that's not gonna happen

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] ...and?Ravensmash

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

And you have facts that show Fox News lying consistently?

LJS9502_basic

not on me, but if i searched around i'm sure i could get some examples. plus, i trust in the canadian government enough, that they themselves have looked up the past disparities between what fox news says and what the actual facts say to make a informed decision on this.

yea, for the most part. but i know how it is in the usa, i'm sorry :(

i'm not gonna search around to try and change your mind, because we both know that's not gonna happen

rocinante_

Because there's nothing out there that WOULD change my mind, or anybody else who doesn't have a rabid hatred of Fox News.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Then they should be banned as well....no?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

i'm not gonna search around to try and change your mind, because we both know that's not gonna happen

airshocker

Because there's nothing out there that WOULD change my mind, or anybody else who doesn't have a rabid hatred of Fox News.

so you think the canadian government has the mentality of some fox-hating, forum-goer? cmon, now

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="rocinante_"]

not on me, but if i searched around i'm sure i could get some examples. plus, i trust in the canadian government enough, that they themselves have looked up the past disparities between what fox news says and what the actual facts say to make a informed decision on this.

rocinante_

yea, for the most part. but i know how it is in the usa, i'm sorry :(

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

not on me, but if i searched around i'm sure i could get some examples. plus, i trust in the canadian government enough, that they themselves have looked up the past disparities between what fox news says and what the actual facts say to make a informed decision on this.

airshocker

Okay, just so we're clear they have to be examples of LYING. Not examples of getting something wrong, which every news station/anchor occaisionally does.

I'll wait.

Are you really that big of a moron? How about the massive "You didn't build that" Lie that they started and have been perpetuating. Are you so out of touch that you missed that?

so you think the canadian government has the mentality of some fox-hating, forum-goer? cmon, now

rocinante_

Governments are just people, with the same biases as you and me. Of course I don't trust them. I wouldn't trust the US government trying to prevent me from watching something.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Not according to the Canadian government, no.Ravensmash

Are you really that big of a moron? How about the massive "You didn't build that" Lie that they started and have been perpetuating. Are you so out of touch that you missed that?

Guybrush_3

What lie? Obama said what he said, defended it and then back-tracked. So obviously it wasn't taken out of context at all.

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You trust a government explicity?:lol:LJS9502_basic

yea, for the most part. but i know how it is in the usa, i'm sorry :(

so none are better than others? all equal? man, north korea has really stepped up then, good for them...

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

so you think the canadian government has the mentality of some fox-hating, forum-goer? cmon, now

airshocker

Governments are just people, with the same biases as you and me. Of course I don't trust them. I wouldn't trust the US government trying to prevent me from watching something.

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

Are you really that big of a moron? How about the massive "You didn't build that" Lie that they started and have been perpetuating. Are you so out of touch that you missed that?

airshocker

What lie? Obama said what he said, defended it and then back-tracked. So obviously it wasn't taken out of context at all.

So the answer is yes you are that much of a moron (but we all already knew that)

I know you won't but you should probably read this.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/07/16/fox-amp-friends-deceptively-edits-obamas-commen/187146

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="rocinante_"]

yea, for the most part. but i know how it is in the usa, i'm sorry :(

rocinante_

so none are better than others? all equal? man, north korea has really stepped up then, good for them...

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

not on me, but if i searched around i'm sure i could get some examples. plus, i trust in the canadian government enough, that they themselves have looked up the past disparities between what fox news says and what the actual facts say to make a informed decision on this.

Guybrush_3

Okay, just so we're clear they have to be examples of LYING. Not examples of getting something wrong, which every news station/anchor occaisionally does.

I'll wait.

Are you really that big of a moron? How about the massive "You didn't build that" Lie that they started and have been perpetuating. Are you so out of touch that you missed that?

What about MSNBC editing the Zimmerman tape? What about the NY Times completely making up an affair that McCain never had in the 2008 election? Fox News isn't the only one.

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Although I resent Fox News more than any broadcasting channel for misinforming people and it's political subjectiveness, I think a ban on (fake) information is going too far.

In my opinion it is the moral duty of an informative broadcasting channel to publish solely truthful, objective reports, but it can never be a legal duty. In fact, that would be extremely complicated in legal terms: Who gets to decide what is the truth, because if the media won't, who will? The government? That would result in goverment-controlled media, or more specifically: propaganda and censorship. That all opposes freedom of speech, because lying is also a right.
The pledge for a democracy are a well-informed population and varied and free media which are responsible for information. The quote of Evelyn Beatrice Hall illustrates my argument: 'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.'

And besides, Fox News may be the worst, but it's not as if every other news channel aims for the most objective news. It's about the ratings for most of them.
The only real solution would be to have a large group media which agree to publish solely objective reports. In that way, nonsense-channels like Fox will be outlawed for their information is proved to be wrong by other media. However, the promise to report objectively, without any sensationalistation, isn't very viable.

Zonno

The news media should always cite sources (at least in posted articles), and if a story is proven false (due to sources not checking out), then all you have to determine is whether or not the article was intentionally misleading, a lie, or just misinformed. All of which would require correction.

Individuals possess the right to lie or mislead, not corporations, and even an individuals right isn't unlimited, there are people that it is illegal to lie to (like the FBI).

If Ford went out and posted on their cars that they got 70mpg, and were 5star(but really 2 star), they'd be in a world of trouble. The media, just as any corporation, is made of individuals, but itself is not one.

So the answer is yes you are that much of a moron (but we all already knew that)

I know you won't but you should probably read this.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/07/16/fox-amp-friends-deceptively-edits-obamas-commen/187146

Guybrush_3

Is this not what Obama said?

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

so you think the canadian government has the mentality of some fox-hating, forum-goer? cmon, now

airshocker

Governments are just people, with the same biases as you and me. Of course I don't trust them. I wouldn't trust the US government trying to prevent me from watching something.

you can't possibly think that your government (the usa, i assume) is not competent enough to tell lie from fact; i think you're arguing for the sake of arguing

[QUOTE="famicommander"]I think Fox News sucks ass just like CNN and MSNBC, but -1 to free speech.Ravensmash

you can't possibly think that your government (the usa, i assume) is not competent enough to tell lie from fact; i think you're arguing for the sake of arguing

rocinante_

Okay, when you show me where Fox News has actually lied maybe you'll have a point.

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Don't be naive...it's all governments.LJS9502_basic

so none are better than others? all equal?

there, i took out the snooty comment

now, you can answer the questions i asked

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="rocinante_"]

so none are better than others? all equal?

rocinante_

there, i took out the snooty comment

now, you can answer the questions i asked

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

facts, i'd assume

Guybrush_3

And you have facts that show Fox News lying consistently?

Just read through the comments section of the article.

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

not on me, but if i searched around i'm sure i could get some examples. plus, i trust in the canadian government enough, that they themselves have looked up the past disparities between what fox news says and what the actual facts say to make a informed decision on this.

airshocker

Okay, just so we're clear they have to be examples of LYING. Not examples of getting something wrong, which every news station/anchor occaisionally does.

I'll wait.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="famicommander"]I think Fox News sucks ass just like CNN and MSNBC, but -1 to free speech.LJS9502_basic

I don't feel like searching for the video, but on Hannity, he ran a piece where he intentionally took President Obama out of context(quote mining one of his speeches). It was a piece on Obama's recent use of executive power on immigration... Though not an 'outright' lie, it's clear that the sole purpose of the piece was to intentionally mislead the audience, and just as bad as any lie. Inconsistancy

Okay, show me the video. I don't watch Hannity, so I don't know what you're referring to.

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

So the answer is yes you are that much of a moron (but we all already knew that)

I know you won't but you should probably read this.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/07/16/fox-amp-friends-deceptively-edits-obamas-commen/187146

airshocker

Is this not what Obama said?

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

you can't possibly think that your government (the usa, i assume) is not competent enough to tell lie from fact; i think you're arguing for the sake of arguing

airshocker

Okay, when you show me where Fox News has actually lied maybe you'll have a point.

you obviously don't see my point, because my point is that the canadian government is competent enough to detect when a media outlet is blatantly trying to decieve the public when they have the real facts, so them making a law to protect journalistic integrity is completely just

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

So the answer is yes you are that much of a moron (but we all already knew that)

I know you won't but you should probably read this.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/07/16/fox-amp-friends-deceptively-edits-obamas-commen/187146

Inconsistancy

Is this not what Obama said?

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

How could you possibly take what he said any other way?

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

you can't possibly think that your government (the usa, i assume) is not competent enough to tell lie from fact; i think you're arguing for the sake of arguing

rocinante_

Okay, when you show me where Fox News has actually lied maybe you'll have a point.

you obviously don't see my point, because my point is that the canadian government is competent enough to detect when a media outlet is blatantly trying to decieve the public when they have the real facts, so them making a law to protect journalistic integrity is completely just

So, you're saying the only news outlet that "lies" is Fox?

you obviously don't see my point, because my point is that the canadian government is competent enough to detect when a media outlet is blatantly trying to decieve the public when they have the real facts, so them making a law to protect journalistic integrity is completely just

rocinante_

Deceiving is the same thing as lying. You need to prove where Fox News has done that.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Even something as minor as a bias distorts the truth. Again....people have to be more intelligent about the news articles they read.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Okay, when you show me where Fox News has actually lied maybe you'll have a point.

SpartanMSU

you obviously don't see my point, because my point is that the canadian government is competent enough to detect when a media outlet is blatantly trying to decieve the public when they have the real facts, so them making a law to protect journalistic integrity is completely just

So, you're saying the only news outlet that "lies" is Fox?

no, i know there are others. but according to the canadian government, fox news does it consistently enough to be essentially banned from broadcasting within canada, so that certainly says something, doesn't it?

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]I don't feel like searching for the video, but on Hannity, he ran a piece where he intentionally took President Obama out of context(quote mining one of his speeches). It was a piece on Obama's recent use of executive power on immigration... Though not an 'outright' lie, it's clear that the sole purpose of the piece was to intentionally mislead the audience, and just as bad as any lie. airshocker

Okay, show me the video. I don't watch Hannity, so I don't know what you're referring to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuHkRUy8WTM&t=6m10s

President Obama: "I just have to continue to say this notion that somehow I can just change the laws unilaterally is just not true. We are doing everything we can administratively. But the fact of the matter is there are laws on the books that I have to enforce. And I think theres been a great disservice done to the cause of getting the DREAM Act passed and getting comprehensive immigration passed by perpetrating the notion that somehow, by myself, I can go and do these things. Its just not true."

Sean Hannity: "Now Lanny, your predictable liberal talking point is to find an instance where George W. Bush did the same thing, putting that all aside; you heard the president, numerous times now in his own words, saying 'he does not believe he can do this[...]'"

(omitted in the edit)
President Obama: What we can do is to prioritize enforcement since there are limited enforcement resources and say, were not going to go chasing after this young man or anybody else who has been acting responsibly, and would otherwise qualify for legal status if the DREAM Act passed.

Pretty painfully obvious case of quote mining. He even makes a point to tell someone that 'these are the President's own words'.