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[QUOTE="The-Apostle"]

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]You're the one that thinks Obama was born in Kenya because he's black.

worlock77

No, I think he was born in Kenya because that's where he was born. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

Actually no, he was born in Hawaii. Amazingly they even have records and even old newspaper clippings that prove it.

There's no such thing as Hawaii. it was made up by the Kenyan government to help them infiltrate the American government.

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LOL, nice. I see nothing wrong with it.

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[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"]And they call us bigots...The-Apostle

You're the one that thinks Obama was born in Kenya because he's black.

No, I think he was born in Kenya because that's where he was born. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

You really do believe he was born in Kenya?!?!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0
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Well that's kind of dumb of them. I don't see what people get out of wasting their money on insulting billboards.

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Well that's kind of dumb of them. I don't see what people get out of wasting their money on insulting billboards.

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[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"]And they call us bigots...The-Apostle

You're the one that thinks Obama was born in Kenya because he's black.

No, I think he was born in Kenya because that's where he was born. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

So you're just stupid then?

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[QUOTE="The-Apostle"]

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]You're the one that thinks Obama was born in Kenya because he's black.

worlock77

No, I think he was born in Kenya because that's where he was born. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

Actually no, he was born in Hawaii. Amazingly they even have records and even old newspaper clippings that prove it.

I think it's funny how he disappears from this thread as soon as you point that out.

Some people just live if their own little world and run away when evidence challenges their world views.

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[QUOTE="The-Apostle"]

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]You're the one that thinks Obama was born in Kenya because he's black.

worlock77

No, I think he was born in Kenya because that's where he was born. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

Actually no, he was born in Hawaii. Amazingly they even have records and even old newspaper clippings that prove it.

Right... Because it's not possible to Photoshop something and make it look real... >_>
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"] No, I think he was born in Kenya because that's where he was born. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

TopTierHustler

Actually no, he was born in Hawaii. Amazingly they even have records and even old newspaper clippings that prove it.

I think it's funny how he disappears from this thread as soon as you point that out.

Some people just live if their own little world and run away when evidence challenges their world views.

So, uh, what? I'm only allowed to post on Gamespot and not do other things now?
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The e3 sig is a bit outdated.
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#112 The-Apostle
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The e3 sig is a bit outdateddave123321
Yeah, I know. I just haven't gotten around to changing it. I suppose I should...
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The article in your sig is very apt though.
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"] No, I think he was born in Kenya because that's where he was born. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

The-Apostle

Actually no, he was born in Hawaii. Amazingly they even have records and even old newspaper clippings that prove it.

Right... Because it's not possible to Photoshop something and make it look real... >_>

interesting you must be a disciple of sheriff joe arpaio school of birthers
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"] No, I think he was born in Kenya because that's where he was born. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

The-Apostle

Actually no, he was born in Hawaii. Amazingly they even have records and even old newspaper clippings that prove it.

Right... Because it's not possible to Photoshop something and make it look real... >_>

You really are an idiot. The whole "Obama was born in Kenya" thing is almost bad as the Moon landing and 9/11 conspiracies. I guess you're going to call him a Muslim now right?
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] interesting you must be a disciple of sheriff joe arpaio school of birthers

I hate pandering the notion of conspiracy nonsense, but let's not kid ourselves that the Obama camp wouldn't have the means nor the resources to make something like so happen.
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] interesting you must be a disciple of sheriff joe arpaio school of birthers

I hate pandering the notion of conspiracy nonsense, but let's not kid ourselves that the Obama camp wouldn't have the means nor the resources to make something like so happen.

They have the means to go back in time and doctor newspaper announcements?
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"] No, I think he was born in Kenya because that's where he was born. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

The-Apostle

Actually no, he was born in Hawaii. Amazingly they even have records and even old newspaper clippings that prove it.

Right... Because it's not possible to Photoshop something and make it look real... >_>

wow you actually showed up.

So if you're making this claim you have evidence from a good source right and aren't just basing this on race right?

I do find it interesting on how the only president who was questioned on whether he was born here or not is black.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"] No, I think he was born in Kenya because that's where he was born. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

The-Apostle

Actually no, he was born in Hawaii. Amazingly they even have records and even old newspaper clippings that prove it.

Right... Because it's not possible to Photoshop something and make it look real... >_>

Like that birth certificate that says Obama was born in the Republic of Kenya? I mean really you'd think they'd at least research that a little.
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[QUOTE="The-Apostle"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Actually no, he was born in Hawaii. Amazingly they even have records and even old newspaper clippings that prove it.

TopTierHustler

Right... Because it's not possible to Photoshop something and make it look real... >_>

wow you actually showed up.

So if you're making this claim you have evidence from a good source right and aren't just basing this on race right?

I do find it interesting on how the only president who was questioned on whether he was born here or not is black.

Just watch him post a link to some stupid conspiracy theorist webpage or Youtube video with a whole bunch of compiled bullsh!t that fails at proving Obama was born in Kenya.
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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]Atheist put up billboard = attacking religion! Religious group puts up billboard = expressing their beliefs.

"Attacking religion" and "expressing beliefs" aren't mutually exclusive. That said, the atheit billboards certainly ARE attacking religion, so I don't really understand your sarcasm.
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] interesting you must be a disciple of sheriff joe arpaio school of birthers -Sun_Tzu-
I hate pandering the notion of conspiracy nonsense, but let's not kid ourselves that the Obama camp wouldn't have the means nor the resources to make something like so happen.

They have the means to go back in time and doctor newspaper announcements?

Well, yeah?

They borrowed that tech from Obama's lizardman brethren.

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I've been plenty of signs and billboards expressing the latter, so what's good for the goose is good for the gander, as the old saying goes.worlock77
But...but...they did it first! It's tacky when religious groups do it, and it's tacky when atheists do it as well.
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@the_apostle I doubt that not being able to opt out of learning evolution is an attack on Christians by Atheists, as your article makes it seem.
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That was an ignorant sign. I wouldn't be bothered if they took it down and I am not even religious.[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]Atheist put up billboard = attacking religion! Religious group puts up billboard = expressing their beliefs.

Ladies and gentlemen, a moron! That board was attacking religion directly, the majority of religious ones do not attack anybody and just expresses a belief.
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That was an ignorant sign. I wouldn't be bothered if they took it down and I am not even religious.[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]Atheist put up billboard = attacking religion! Religious group puts up billboard = expressing their beliefs. TheWalkingGhost
Ladies and gentlemen, a moron! That board was attacking religion directly, the majority of religious ones do not attack anybody and just expresses a belief.

:lol: Next time you call someone a moron, make sure you scrolled down to the bottom of the first page before making any assertions as to 'religious ones'. Oh, and this one is just expressing a belief, or are you too dumb to realize that? Many atheist do think God is a sadistic character, they have every right to think so, and every right to express that belief on a billboard. Not their fault that many Christian's are intolerant to their belief, to the point in which they feel like they are being "attacked". Quite pathetic really. They can go around saying people who don't believe in God will burn in hell, but the second an atheist question's their God's personalities it is an attack and should be removed!

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Still waiting for Apostles proof.
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Still waiting for Apostles proof.Ace6301
Troll poster, don't bother.

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He said that the MAJORITY of religious ads don't attack anyone else. Whether or not that's the case, I don't know. I certainly haven't done any research on that. But the two billboards that you're referring to certainly aren't enough to indicate any kind of trend.
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"] No, I think he was born in Kenya because that's where he was born. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

The-Apostle

Actually no, he was born in Hawaii. Amazingly they even have records and even old newspaper clippings that prove it.

Right... Because it's not possible to Photoshop something and make it look real... >_>

So you believe that the Secretary of Health and the Governor (Republican, I might add) of the state of Hawaii are in on it too?

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He said that the MAJORITY of religious ads don't attack anyone else. Whether or not that's the case, I don't know. I certainly haven't done any research on that. But the two billboards that you're referring to certainly aren't enough to indicate any kind of trend.MrGeezer
So? Both sides have created billboards that aren't as 'direct' as others, like the atheist's "Don't believe in God? You are not alone" one, but the difference is even those billboards get media attention and calls for them to be removed and are instantly labelled as "attacks". Yet you rarely see any attention brought towards religious billboards, including the ones that are incredibly negative such as the one on the front page because they are defended for just being expressions of belief. Yet this one is the same thing, simply a group expressing their lack of belief in god, or their interpretation of his character which is literally what the billboard in the article is. Nothing more than this groups expression of their view of god and are just trying to share that belief. It isn't their problem or fault that many Christians can't accept what they believe.

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[QUOTE="The-Apostle"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Actually no, he was born in Hawaii. Amazingly they even have records and even old newspaper clippings that prove it.

worlock77

Right... Because it's not possible to Photoshop something and make it look real... >_>

So you believe that the Secretary of Health and the Governor (Republican, I might add) of the state of Hawaii are in on it too?

I think I was right about disappearing when his views are challenged.

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Still waiting for Apostles proof.Aljosa23

Troll poster, don't bother.

In my experience he's actually not.
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]I've been plenty of signs and billboards expressing the latter, so what's good for the goose is good for the gander, as the old saying goes.MrGeezer
But...but...they did it first! It's tacky when religious groups do it, and it's tacky when atheists do it as well.

Tacky or not it's fair play.

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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]He said that the MAJORITY of religious ads don't attack anyone else. Whether or not that's the case, I don't know. I certainly haven't done any research on that. But the two billboards that you're referring to certainly aren't enough to indicate any kind of trend.SaintLeonidas

So? Both sides have created billboards that aren't as 'direct' as others, like the atheist's "Don't believe in God? You are not alone" one, but the difference is even those billboards get media attention and calls for them to be removed and are instantly labelled as "attacks". Yet you rarely see any attention brought towards religious billboards, including the ones that are incredibly negative such as the one on the front page because they are defended for just being expressions of belief. Yet this one is the same thing, simply a group expressing their lack of belief in god, or their interpretation of his character which is literally what the billboard in the article is. Nothing more than this groups expression of their view of god and are just trying to share that belief. It isn't their problem or fault that many Christians can't accept what they believe.

Firstly, whether or not it's "their problem" depends on what the consequences are. Maybe the added exposure and controversy will be beneficial to them, or maybe it'll cause people to think that they're a bunch of dicks and stop supporting them. We've already seen one consequence...their ads were already rejected elsewhere, limiting their ability to get their message out. The upside is that their ad was antagonizing enough to get national attention, so perhaps that balances out the loss of ad space in Florida. Either way, you can't just intentionally offend people, then say "I'm just expressing my belief..if you can't accept it, it's not my problem." It surely might be their problem. Whether or not it's their problem depends on the public's reaction, not on the group's action. Secondly, I have to repeat that "attacks" and "expressing one's beliefs" aren't mutually exclusive. Whether or not OTHER atheist ads have been wrongly targetted by the media isn't the issue. My point is that THIS ad campaign is very much an "attack" on religions. And surely you can recognize that it's possible to genuinely state one's own beliefs while simultaneously being a total dick. Thirdly, what does it matter that people are calling for such ads to be taken down? They don't have to take it down, there are no laws saying that these kinds of attack ads are only legal if they're done by christian groups. People can call for it to be taken down all they like.
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="worlock77"]I've been plenty of signs and billboards expressing the latter, so what's good for the goose is good for the gander, as the old saying goes.worlock77

But...but...they did it first! It's tacky when religious groups do it, and it's tacky when atheists do it as well.

Tacky or not it's fair play.

Well, I don't see what "fair play" even has to do with anything. Unless they're violating the law, both christians and atheists can say what they want and be as dirty as they want to be about it.
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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]He said that the MAJORITY of religious ads don't attack anyone else. Whether or not that's the case, I don't know. I certainly haven't done any research on that. But the two billboards that you're referring to certainly aren't enough to indicate any kind of trend.MrGeezer

So? Both sides have created billboards that aren't as 'direct' as others, like the atheist's "Don't believe in God? You are not alone" one, but the difference is even those billboards get media attention and calls for them to be removed and are instantly labelled as "attacks". Yet you rarely see any attention brought towards religious billboards, including the ones that are incredibly negative such as the one on the front page because they are defended for just being expressions of belief. Yet this one is the same thing, simply a group expressing their lack of belief in god, or their interpretation of his character which is literally what the billboard in the article is. Nothing more than this groups expression of their view of god and are just trying to share that belief. It isn't their problem or fault that many Christians can't accept what they believe.

Firstly, whether or not it's "their problem" depends on what the consequences are. Maybe the added exposure and controversy will be beneficial to them, or maybe it'll cause people to think that they're a bunch of dicks and stop supporting them. We've already seen one consequence...their ads were already rejected elsewhere, limiting their ability to get their message out. The upside is that their ad was antagonizing enough to get national attention, so perhaps that balances out the loss of ad space in Florida. Either way, you can't just intentionally offend people, then say "I'm just expressing my belief..if you can't accept it, it's not my problem." It surely might be their problem. Whether or not it's their problem depends on the public's reaction, not on the group's action. Secondly, I have to repeat that "attacks" and "expressing one's beliefs" aren't mutually exclusive. Whether or not OTHER atheist ads have been wrongly targetted by the media isn't the issue. My point is that THIS ad campaign is very much an "attack" on religions. And surely you can recognize that it's possible to genuinely state one's own beliefs while simultaneously being a total dick. Thirdly, what does it matter that people are calling for such ads to be taken down? They don't have to take it down, there are no laws saying that these kinds of attack ads are only legal if they're done by christian groups. People can call for it to be taken down all they like.

Not sure what you are going on about. What I original said in my first post stands true and nothing you have said refutes that. The fact is, whether it is 'hostile' or not this billboard is the expression of this groups beliefs. Yet because Christian's are intolerant of their beliefs it is labelled an 'attack' on what they personally believe in and gets media attention. Yet, religious organizations put up the very same sorts of billboards, both "negative" and non-hostile, and although it could be said it offends atheists or those of other religions, in the very same way as this one, they do not get this sort of attention and these religious groups defend themselves by saying it is the expression of their beliefs. It is incredibly hypocritical. To them any outspoken organization that expresses a belief that might try to disprove or question God is an attack, but when they do the very same thing it is perfectly fine. Which is what my original post clearly stated.

As for if it is an "attack" or not, you might see it as an attack, but I stand firmly behind the idea that it isn't, at least in the sense that this article makes it out to be. I can say "I think god is sadistic", that is my belief and I have every right to say it and it doesn't mean I'm attacking religion, just expressiing my observations/beliefs about god and it hardly makes me a or them "dicks". If someone hears this, doesn't agree and is so intolerant of my own belief that they think I'm attacking them then it is in fact THEIR problem and not mine. I can view god as sadistic and it doesn't make my wrong, cruel or a dick; but of course some people are do defensive they might think that of me. Doesn't make them right, and just because they take it as an attack doesn't mean it was. Just in the same way I can instead of saying it, put up a sign or billboard to say "Christianity has a sadistic god" (Again my own belief) "you should become an atheist instead". Being critical or outspoken, expressing ones beliefs even if they may be "harsh", does not mean you are directly attacking a group of people. This billboard is simply offering their own personal views on Christianity and god, and offering an alternative. If their assessments are too "harsh" well that is too bad for Christian groups, because if this is truly what this atheist organization believes then they have every right to speak out and express that view in hopes to get people to join them, and just be doing so doesn't automatically make them wrong or "bad" it definitely doesn't mean they are actively trying to attack Christianity which is what this article makes it out to seem.

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Still waiting for Apostles proof.Aljosa23

Troll poster, don't bother.

He is being honest with his posts.
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[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"] Right... Because it's not possible to Photoshop something and make it look real... >_>Jebus213

wow you actually showed up.

So if you're making this claim you have evidence from a good source right and aren't just basing this on race right?

I do find it interesting on how the only president who was questioned on whether he was born here or not is black.

Just watch him post a link to some stupid conspiracy theorist webpage or Youtube video with a whole bunch of compiled bullsh!t that fails at proving Obama was born in Kenya.

This born in Kenya junk is so dumb. Everyone knows that Obama wasn't born in Kenya (and he doesn't speake Quenya either)

[spoiler] While his father was born in Kenya, Obama himself was actually born in Uganda [/spoiler]

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[QUOTE="Jebus213"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]wow you actually showed up.

So if you're making this claim you have evidence from a good source right and aren't just basing this on race right?

I do find it interesting on how the only president who was questioned on whether he was born here or not is black.

whipassmt

Just watch him post a link to some stupid conspiracy theorist webpage or Youtube video with a whole bunch of compiled bullsh!t that fails at proving Obama was born in Kenya.

This born in Kenya junk is so dumb. Everyone knows that Obama wasn't born in Kenya (and he doesn't speake Quenya either)

[spoiler] While his father was born in Kenya, Obama himself was actually born in Uganda [/spoiler]

:lol:

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#142 dave123321
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Love you whip
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#143 BatCrazedJoker
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Let them speak their mind.
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Not sure what you are going on about. What I original said in my first post stands true and nothing you have said refutes that. The fact is, whether it is 'hostile' or not this billboard is the expression of this groups beliefs. Yet because Christian's are intolerant of their beliefs it is labelled an 'attack' on what they personally believe in and gets media attention. Yet, religious organizations put up the very same sorts of billboards, both "negative" and non-hostile, and although it could be said it offends atheists or those of other religions, in the very same way as this one, they do not get this sort of attention and these religious groups defend themselves by saying it is the expression of their beliefs. It is incredibly hypocritical. To them any outspoken organization that expresses a belief that might try to disprove or question God is an attack, but when they do the very same thing it is perfectly fine. Which is what my original post clearly stated.

As for if it is an "attack" or not, you might see it as an attack, but I stand firmly behind the idea that it isn't, at least in the sense that this article makes it out to be. I can say "I think god is sadistic", that is my belief and I have every right to say it and it doesn't mean I'm attacking religion, just expressiing my observations/beliefs about god and it hardly makes me a or them "dicks". If someone hears this, doesn't agree and is so intolerant of my own belief that they think I'm attacking them then it is in fact THEIR problem and not mine. I can view god as sadistic and it doesn't make my wrong, cruel or a dick; but of course some people are do defensive they might think that of me. Doesn't make them right, and just because they take it as an attack doesn't mean it was. Just in the same way I can instead of saying it, put up a sign or billboard to say "Christianity has a sadistic god" (Again my own belief) "you should become an atheist instead". Being critical or outspoken, expressing ones beliefs even if they may be "harsh", does not mean you are directly attacking a group of people. This billboard is simply offering their own personal views on Christianity and god, and offering an alternative. If their assessments are too "harsh" well that is too bad for Christian groups, because if this is truly what this atheist organization believes then they have every right to speak out and express that view in hopes to get people to join them, and just be doing so doesn't automatically make them wrong or "bad" it definitely doesn't mean they are actively trying to attack Christianity which is what this article makes it out to seem.SaintLeonidas

You don't see that BOTH groups are being hypocritical? That BOTH of them are attacking the other side and hiding behind "defending their beliefs", while simultaneously getting butthurt that the other side is doing the exact same thing? What exactly don't you get about that? The same explanation you used to justify these anti-religion ads could be be used to justify those anti-atheist ads that someone posted on the first page. The only difference is that one side has less public support, but what they're DOING is exactly the same.

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And I love how they think that the Florida billboard company is attacking THEM, as if they are somehow entitled to the use of another company's ad space. "Oh...it's okay for US to express our beliefs, but god forbid that the people we try to hire do the same."
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#146 SaintLeonidas
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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]Not sure what you are going on about. What I original said in my first post stands true and nothing you have said refutes that. The fact is, whether it is 'hostile' or not this billboard is the expression of this groups beliefs. Yet because Christian's are intolerant of their beliefs it is labelled an 'attack' on what they personally believe in and gets media attention. Yet, religious organizations put up the very same sorts of billboards, both "negative" and non-hostile, and although it could be said it offends atheists or those of other religions, in the very same way as this one, they do not get this sort of attention and these religious groups defend themselves by saying it is the expression of their beliefs. It is incredibly hypocritical. To them any outspoken organization that expresses a belief that might try to disprove or question God is an attack, but when they do the very same thing it is perfectly fine. Which is what my original post clearly stated.

As for if it is an "attack" or not, you might see it as an attack, but I stand firmly behind the idea that it isn't, at least in the sense that this article makes it out to be. I can say "I think god is sadistic", that is my belief and I have every right to say it and it doesn't mean I'm attacking religion, just expressiing my observations/beliefs about god and it hardly makes me a or them "dicks". If someone hears this, doesn't agree and is so intolerant of my own belief that they think I'm attacking them then it is in fact THEIR problem and not mine. I can view god as sadistic and it doesn't make my wrong, cruel or a dick; but of course some people are do defensive they might think that of me. Doesn't make them right, and just because they take it as an attack doesn't mean it was. Just in the same way I can instead of saying it, put up a sign or billboard to say "Christianity has a sadistic god" (Again my own belief) "you should become an atheist instead". Being critical or outspoken, expressing ones beliefs even if they may be "harsh", does not mean you are directly attacking a group of people. This billboard is simply offering their own personal views on Christianity and god, and offering an alternative. If their assessments are too "harsh" well that is too bad for Christian groups, because if this is truly what this atheist organization believes then they have every right to speak out and express that view in hopes to get people to join them, and just be doing so doesn't automatically make them wrong or "bad" it definitely doesn't mean they are actively trying to attack Christianity which is what this article makes it out to seem.MrGeezer

You don't see that BOTH groups are being hypocritical? That BOTH of them are attacking the other side and hiding behind "defending their beliefs", while simultaneously getting butthurt that the other side is doing the exact same thing? What exactly don't you get about that? The same explanation you used to justify these anti-religion ads could be be used to justify those anti-atheist ads that someone posted on the first page. The only difference is that one side has less public support, but what they're DOING is exactly the same.

I already stated that both sides do these sorts of ads, and I've continually tried to point out that even though both sides can post stuff that is viewed as offensive, it is only ever one side that gets as worked up or receives media attention. As I said, when atheists do it it is considered an attack, when Christians do it it is considered an expression of belief. I never once stated that both should be considered attacks, or that both should be simply view as someone's beliefs, my first post was referring to the fact that this is ever only a problem, or receives any attention, when it is Christian groups being the ones labeling such things as attacks. So it doesn't matter if they are exactly the same, my original post still stands true, that although one could call either side hypocrites the fact is it is always the situation that we have here, it is never the other way around. I personally believe both sides should do what they want, and in doing so it doesn't always mean they are attacking one group or another. What bothers me is that the only time these things are ever an issue is when it is an atheist billboard or sign, and I guess you can boil it down to be that both sides can be hypocritical, but religious groups are the only ones that get the attention which is why I'm only targeting them in defense of the sign. Had this been about a religious billboard I'd support their right to have one and call the organization against it, if these atheists, hypocrites. But that isn't the case here, and I only ever mentioned the Christian billboards because some were making it out to be that these religious groups never post signs that could also be considered offensive which obviously isn't true.

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#147 MrGeezer
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Well, duh. There are more theists than atheists in the USA. Given that atheists get offended when theists do these kinds of anti-atheism attack ads, and that theists get offended when atheists do these kinds of anti-theism attack ads, OF COURSE it's going to stir the pot more when atheists do it. Atheists are the minority, and they're offending more people, so of course it's gonna be a bigger deal. If your whole point is about the one-sided reaction to such "expressions of belief", then is that even worth stating? Yeah it's going to be that way, there are more theists than atheists.
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#148 MrGeezer
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Of course it's never the other way around...there are more theists than there are atheists. You know why the outrage is generally so one sided? Because atheists are a minority. Good job on establishing that there are more theists than atheists in the USA.
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Fox News is terrible at reporting stuff, we know by now, no need to make a point of it. As for the news itself, people can believe what they want and they have a right to express themselves publicly, and its not like the ad is full of swear words and violence and nudity and all those things you can't have on a billboard.

I have to say though, if Atheists want to come off as reasonable and try to get people to see the light, acting like gigantic dbags insulting the beliefs of other people in such a way, its not an organization people would want to be a part of. Its like when those Jehovah's Witnesses come to the door, except instead of knocking on my door with some polite attitude and pamphlets its a big billboard of dbagginess (though I guess they aren't knocking on my door at least).

Plus, seriously person who made this billboard? You are making a big deal on the beliefs of the potential presidents of the USA? Then when people refuse to put up your obvious troll ad, you call them bigots? This group is almost like the WBC of Atheists, and the irony somehow isn't lost on them when they say religion shouldn't play a role in Government, then they make a big deal out of the beliefs of Mitt Romney and Barack Obama.

Again, I think they have the right to express their opinion and put up their billboard, but if someone put up an attack ad on Atheism or an Atheist Presidential candidate, of course they would lose their minds. I don't care if someone attacks Atheism or Christianity or Mormonism, I don't think it reflects on me as a person when someone attacks my belief, its just so stupid and pointless and kind of shows that regardless of belief you can be annoying, though maybe this is like the one time they are just trolling for attention. I don't know, but its obviously a plot for attention and not a legitimate message a reasonable person would make if they had one.

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#150 SaintLeonidas
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Of course it's never the other way around...there are more theists than there are atheists. You know why the outrage is generally so one sided? Because atheists are a minority. Good job on establishing that there are more theists than atheists in the USA.MrGeezer
...no sh*t Sherlock, that doesn't mean one shouldn't be outspoken and support a side in a specific situation and acknowledge the hypocrisies or one-sidedness of the issue in certain cases. And it certainly doesn't mean that just because one side is in the minority, they shouldn't be extra vocal about these sorts of issues, especially when only one side is ever heard. Makes no sense to say "Well derp one side is the majority, so of course they get all the attention, I guess the minorities should just let the overshadowing happen and not point out how the issue goes both ways derp". God to even hint at that being the right way to handle these situations would be entirely moronic. You act like when stupid sh*t like this happens, and one side is clearly being "favored" in attention, and overreacting with blatant hypocrisy everyone should just sit back and not even attempt to point out how stupid it all is. That is funny coming from you, someone who seems to always have something to say about pretty much everything, often walls of text of crap regarding certain issues. Imagine how much less reading this site would require if you said nothing about often obvious conclusions to various arguments.