Fox News: You sure it's not joke news?

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#101 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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Sorry. listen to her blather. She's goes on about Canada sending troops to Vietnam as a loyal ally of the US. But, good job on parrotting the right wing talking points.bogaty
Meh, I could care less about her. I'm a conservative and even I don't agree with her ... "passion" towards her beliefs. Perhaps next time before you correct someone, be it another user or anyone for that matter, make sure you double-check that they're actually "wrong". Take care. :)
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#102 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I don't think moderates want him to represent them. I think commentators like David Brooks represent the moderate much more accurately. bogaty

David Brooks is probably the most thoughtful conservative alive. Our country would be in much better shape if all conservatives were like him...

Bring back Bill Buckley.

Well, David Brooks is more or less the successor of Buckley, although I actually like Brooks more ;).

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#103 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="remmbermytitans"] Not kidding. I'm even willing to go as far to say that Glenn Beck represents the thoughts and voice of moderate America.chessmaster1989

I don't think moderates want him to represent them. I think commentators like David Brooks represent the moderate much more accurately.

David Brooks is probably the most thoughtful conservative alive. Our country would be in much better shape if all conservatives were like him...

Yeah. ALL HAIL DAVID BROOKS!

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#104 shoeman12
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red eye? isn't that on at 3 A.M? i've never watched it. one event on one show that few people stay up to watch =/= joke news channel. keith olbermann says ridiculous things, does that mean msnbc is joke news? watch their ACTUAL NEWS PROGRAMS, not talk shows before you say this.

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#105 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I don't think moderates want him to represent them. I think commentators like David Brooks represent the moderate much more accurately. -Sun_Tzu-

David Brooks is probably the most thoughtful conservative alive. Our country would be in much better shape if all conservatives were like him...

Yeah. ALL HAIL DAVID BROOKS!

Seriously, David Brooks needs to run in 2012. Hell, I'd be tempted to vote for him, depending on how well Obama does :P.

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[QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"]

[QUOTE="Nifty_Shark"]

Yeah. That little frat of idiots really pissed me off. I lived in Canada for a few years and it ain't much different from the States at all. "Our police officers drive heavily armed vehicles, they ride on horses" God just shut up you fool sitting next to a bimbo.

gobo212

It's a called a joke. They are making poking fun at the traditional "steroetypes" more than the actual Canadian people. It's not like people in Canada have never made fun of Americans ever.

Fox is (supposedly) a news network. We are not talking about Comedy Central here.

Omg that was the most horrible comedy ever!

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#107 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="gobo212"][QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"] It's a called a joke. They are making poking fun at the traditional "steroetypes" more than the actual Canadian people. It's not like people in Canada have never made fun of Americans ever.

Makemap

Fox is (supposedly) a news network. We are not talking about Comedy Central here.

Omg that was the most horrible comedy ever!

:lol:

That said, The Daily Show/The Colbert Report have better analysis than a lot of actual TV analysts :lol:

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#108 cametall
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That's Red Eye. They make fun of the news and it comes on at like 2 am. Misleading thread FTL.
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#109 Head_of_games
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First of all, I don't believe that was actually part of the "News" so to speak. They weren't reporting on facts, they where voicing their opinions which is just fine for them to do. And If I'm understanding what they are saying, Canada no longer has an army, which I think is very worthy of criticism.
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#110 KG86
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[QUOTE="KG86"]

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] I am lost on that too, people need to understand that Red Eye is NOT serious attempt at news. It's just a comedy show and nothing more. People take that show WAY too seriously when even the people on it are just joking around.trix5817

What's a comedy show doing on a news channel?

It's a late night show...

Wow. These posts are a joke, right?

I'm not American and am not familiar with Fox news, but I find it innappropriate to have a comedy show on a news channel, anything wrong with that?

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Honestly.. I had to google "Red Eye" to see if this was a real program, at first I thought it was something like The Onion..but ive come to the sad realization that it is indeed real... *massive facepalm*

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[QUOTE="bogaty"]Sorry. listen to her blather. She's goes on about Canada sending troops to Vietnam as a loyal ally of the US. But, good job on parrotting the right wing talking points.Stevo_the_gamer
Meh, I could care less about her. I'm a conservative and even I don't agree with her ... "passion" towards her beliefs. Perhaps next time before you correct someone, be it another user or anyone for that matter, make sure you double-check that they're actually "wrong". Take care. :)

Ah, but you see, they are wrong. I'm able to utilize this concept called critical thinking (You might want to look into it) and therefore understand that the ex post facto minutae dug up by Coulter apologists to justify her gaffe actually further serves to illustrate how worng she was.

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#113 morpheusnj
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that is SO offensive that it's not funny at all. I want to shoot that guy now so bad..
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#114 0Tyler0
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First of all, Red Eye isn't really news. Second of all, go watch MSNBC and watch Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow. Those two have the most biased news on TV. remmbermytitans
No, bill o reilly does
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#115 Makemap
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Honestly.. I had to google "Red Eye" to see if this was a real program, at first I thought it was something like The Onion..but ive come to the sad realization that it is indeed real... *massive facepalm*

EVOLV3

Didn't realise Red Eye sound so evil.

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#116 Benevolentbob
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Fox News is a symbol of everything that is wrong in the United States.

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Honestly.. I had to google "Red Eye" to see if this was a real program, at first I thought it was something like The Onion..but ive come to the sad realization that it is indeed real... *massive facepalm*

EVOLV3

It is a real show, but it makes fun of the news (as in it's not supposed to be taken seriously) and it comes on at 3 am in the morning. Seriously the amount of idiots freaking out about this on youtube is laughable.

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#118 OODALOOP
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Fox News is pretty bad, but MSNBC is considerably worse.
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#119 Im_single
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That is not funny at all, just plain offensive, I usually don't let stuff get to me but I wanted to punch those guys in the head, Stephen colbert and Jon Stwewart are funny guys, they can joke about one country or the next, and it is funny because they tease and poke fun, and they draw the line, those morons just went on a rant about why Canada sucks, no joke, just them being asshats and making fun of an entire country, not even for a laugh, just because they are morons.
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First of all, Red Eye isn't really news. Second of all, go watch MSNBC and watch Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow. Those two have the most biased news on TV. remmbermytitans
Rachel may be biased, but there's something about here that is delectable. FOX isn't that biased though. I agree.
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#121 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="remmbermytitans"][QUOTE="Tazzmission187"]

bill oreilly ann coulter and hannity are like a-rod.... they kiss themselves in the mirrior. as for msnbc there guilty to but not as narcassistic like fox

Say what? Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow are more like A-Rod than O'Reilly. And Coulter is actually alright in my book. Hannity is comes off to me as an idiot.

Lol in what way is Coulter "alright"?

Well Coulter is my last name its all right that way
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#122 hkmp5a2
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7FJzMWf6X8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMQQ5d4H95Q&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXlK97sGkGc&feature=related

Since we're spreading the love for RedEye, I thought some more clips would be appropriate.

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I'm not even offended... that was just pathetic.

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#124 SuperVegeta518
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This show comes on at 3:00 AM and doesn't have re-runs except on weekends. The show doesn't even pretend to be a real news program. There isn't an issue here unless you are really that sensitive or politically correct.

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[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]

Honestly.. I had to google "Red Eye" to see if this was a real program, at first I thought it was something like The Onion..but ive come to the sad realization that it is indeed real... *massive facepalm*

smokeydabear076

It is a real show, but it makes fun of the news (as in it's not supposed to be taken seriously) and it comes on at 3 am in the morning. Seriously the amount of idiots freaking out about this on youtube is laughable.

yeah, if you call the government of Canada (a big "C" Conservative government, by the way, that was in lockstep with Bush on almost every issue every step of the way) and defence minister peter mackay being outraged about it as "idiots" on youtube.

you're an idiot if you're actually defending this crap.

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Coulter is not as crazy as the guys you mentioned.remmbermytitans

Not kidding. I'm even willing to go as far to say that Glenn Beck represents the thoughts and voice of moderate America.remmbermytitans

Your joke posts are not funny.

Coulter makes a living by insulting the Left. She is all about shock value. Crazy indeed.

GB does not represent middle America. He is just as far-Right as Coulter.

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#128 maheo30
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First off the link in question to Fox's latest string of silly comments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcJn5XlbSFk I know most people make jokes on Canada's expense and such but there's a line to cross and I wouldn't be bothered if this was just a joke parody or something but this is an actual interview on FOX. So...thoughts? Comments? Please don't turn this into a country vs country thing. If this is old then I apologize.Ace6301
The fact that you quoted Redeye to show FoxNews' bias proves your own. Redeye isn't even a news show. It is a comedy show. It isn't funny but it isn't a news show.
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#129 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="remmbermytitans"] Say what? Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow are more like A-Rod than O'Reilly. And Coulter is actually alright in my book. Hannity is comes off to me as an idiot.Serraph105

Lol in what way is Coulter "alright"?

Well Coulter is my last name its all right that way

I meant "Anne Coulter"... :|

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#130 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]

Honestly.. I had to google "Red Eye" to see if this was a real program, at first I thought it was something like The Onion..but ive come to the sad realization that it is indeed real... *massive facepalm*

WindedSailor

It is a real show, but it makes fun of the news (as in it's not supposed to be taken seriously) and it comes on at 3 am in the morning. Seriously the amount of idiots freaking out about this on youtube is laughable.

yeah, if you call the government of Canada (a big "C" Conservative government, by the way, that was in lockstep with Bush on almost every issue every step of the way) and defence minister peter mackay being outraged about it as "idiots" on youtube.

you're an idiot if you're actually defending this crap.

I don't get what you are trying to say with this sentence, maybe you could reword it so it makes more sense. Anyway, I'm not saying that what these guys are saying is true. The point of their show is to be intentionally stupid... so taking this seriously is dumb.

All these Canadians freaking out about a comedy show, saying Americans are sub-human and stuff like that... it's pretty funny to me.

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[QUOTE="WindedSailor"]

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]It is a real show, but it makes fun of the news (as in it's not supposed to be taken seriously) and it comes on at 3 am in the morning. Seriously the amount of idiots freaking out about this on youtube is laughable.

smokeydabear076

yeah, if you call the government of Canada (a big "C" Conservative government, by the way, that was in lockstep with Bush on almost every issue every step of the way) and defence minister peter mackay being outraged about it as "idiots" on youtube.

you're an idiot if you're actually defending this crap.

I don't get what you are trying to say with this sentence, maybe you could reword it so it makes more sense. Anyway, I'm not saying that what these guys are saying is true. The point of their show is to be intentionally stupid... so taking this seriously is dumb.

All these Canadians freaking out about a comedy show, saying Americans are sub-human and stuff like that... it's pretty funny to me.

what i'm saying is that if a conservative canadian government is angered by a supposed "comedy show" then it's not just youtubers getting all worked up. what's dumb isn't the reaction, it's the show itself and the mindset that things like these don't matter.

From David Frum: "The clip in question is a sequence of goofs about the feebleness, uselessness and absurdity of the Canadian armed forces. Why would I call that dumb? Here's why," Frum says on his New Majority.com blog before listing the Canadian soldiers, aid workers and a diplomat who have been killed in Afghanistan since 2002. "Sorry I disrespected your show, Red Eye fans, but you disrespected the dead," Frum adds.

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#132 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]

[QUOTE="WindedSailor"]

yeah, if you call the government of Canada (a big "C" Conservative government, by the way, that was in lockstep with Bush on almost every issue every step of the way) and defence minister peter mackay being outraged about it as "idiots" on youtube.

you're an idiot if you're actually defending this crap.

WindedSailor

I don't get what you are trying to say with this sentence, maybe you could reword it so it makes more sense. Anyway, I'm not saying that what these guys are saying is true. The point of their show is to be intentionally stupid... so taking this seriously is dumb.

All these Canadians freaking out about a comedy show, saying Americans are sub-human and stuff like that... it's pretty funny to me.

what i'm saying is that if a conservative canadian government is angered by a supposed "comedy show" then it's not just youtubers getting all worked up. what's dumb isn't the reaction, it's the show itself and the mindset that things like these don't matter.

From David Frum: "The clip in question is a sequence of goofs about the feebleness, uselessness and absurdity of the Canadian armed forces. Why would I call that dumb? Here's why," Frum says on his New Majority.com blog before listing the Canadian soldiers, aid workers and a diplomat who have been killed in Afghanistan since 2002. "Sorry I disrespected your show, Red Eye fans, but you disrespected the dead," Frum adds.

Wow I didn't realize the Canadian government was having a hissy fit over this too, oh well. I think both the show and the excessive hypersensitivity is stupid.

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People defending the show based on comedy, that does not pass for comedy. How about I go around stereotyping all Christians as inbred rednecks in a snarky manner and call it comedy, how many conservatives do you think would get up in arms? And again, many people can tell the difference between comedy and news, but how many people do you think just buy into the Fox agenda and take anything that's broadcast on the Fox NEWS Network as news? If the answer is greater than one, it's too many.

As for liberal bias, first taking values competely out of the equation, when you compare the actual reporting of CNN, MSNBC, and Fox and ABC it's not even funny. People like Stossel have records of just making things up to support their viewpoint, and overall the ratio of actual reporting to propaganda is pretty low. I'll just use one example, I frequent the Marajuana Policy Project website. One day they had a video posted of one of the MPP's heads being interviewed by Glen Beck. Beck had clearly not done any research and spent basically the whole interview asking pretty idiotic questions that were designed to support only his point of view. That is rule number one in reporting for Fox News, and it's completely ass-backwards. What's the point of having people on if you're not going to gain a different perspective? Switch to a Rachel Maddow interview with a member of MPP and she actually asks for his perspective, asks him to clarify things, asks for his numbers on certain things, comes prepared with numbers of her own. THAT'S reporting, that's what being a newscaster is about. You can talk about being biased to a certain perspective all you want, but when you look at the manner in which Fox conducts their business as compared to how MSNBC conducts their business there is very little comparison. MSNBC is not nearly as full of propaganda as Fox.

Also, people throw around bias a lot. If I go on a news program and show stem cell research in a completely value-free light that's bias to some people. There's always going to be bias, editors are always going pick and choose what to report on. My problem is the way in which it's done. People like Bill O'Reily go on the air and basically throw self-righteous rants and call it news. EverythingI hear from these commentators is totally emotion-based ranting, basically them trying to stir up emotion for their causes. I think this country is well on its way to losing its sensibility. People don't approach issues in a manner of what's best for everyone anymore, they approach it as how do I feel and how can I get my voice heard. When you start talking about value issues and legislation related to them, what's the most objective way to report on them? Take abortion, one group's suggested solution would restrict everyone to one choice, one group's gives individuals their own choice. Take gay marriage, one group's solution restricts all of society to their own values, one group's allows for personal freedom in deciding one's values. If you want to talk about bias then you have to allow for discussion of objectivity, and then you have to allow for the discussion of the objectivity of your own view point. So who's more biased, Bill O'Reily when he talks about keeping gay marriage illegal because that's the way he feels or Rachel Maddow when she talks about gay marriage being legalized because that's an objectively fair solution?

Which basically leaves us with economic issues. I believe this should be the place where there is the most discussion, but there is the least. The problem I have with both sides of the American media here is that no one talks about functionality. We've regressed to just mud-slinging, using propaganda, and basically not having any discussion whatsoever of what each side hopes to accomplish and what consequences there are for each side. I do, however, blame programs like Fox for this state of affairs using the ,"he started it," rule. The thing that pisses me off to end about being a liberal is that I can make a fair and balanced economic argument using facts, studies, evidence, logic, and someone can just come in and say the, "C," word and the discussion is suddenly over, I lost. When I hear Bill O'Reily talking economics I don't hear him talking in an operational sense, I hear him appealing to emotions. This is what's right, freedom, personal liberty, just throwing around buzz words without actually going into the actual functional operation of his theories. Why? Because that would actually hurt his argument. Every libertarian likes to talk about personal freedom and keeping what you earn and the evil of taxes, and people buy into it because it sounds very noble-minded. What they don't talk about is how total economic freedom affects personal freedom, how the idea of a meritocracy needs government intervention to realistically survive, and basically the general operation of their theories. To be fair, I don't hear liberals talking about these things on their mainstream programs either. What got us to this state, however, is trying to bypass the argument. What got us here were libertarians going around talking about freedom and equality without anyone ever calling them out on it, and now whenever someone does call them out they're a communist. There is no intelligent discussion on economics on the mainstream media, period. If you want one here in America you have to go to public TV.

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#134 smokeydabear076
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People defending the show based on comedy, that does not pass for comedy. How about I go around stereotyping all Christians as inbred rednecks in a snarky manner and call it comedy, how many conservatives do you think would get up in arms? And again, many people can tell the difference between comedy and news, but how many people do you think just buy into the Fox agenda and take anything that's broadcast on the Fox NEWS Network as news? If the answer is greater than one, it's too many.

As for liberal bias, first taking values competely out of the equation, when you compare the actual reporting of CNN, MSNBC, and Fox and ABC it's not even funny. People like Stossel have records of just making things up to support their viewpoint, and overall the ratio of actual reporting to propaganda is pretty low. I'll just use one example, I frequent the Marajuana Policy Project website. One day they had a video posted of one of the MPP's heads being interviewed by Glen Beck. Beck had clearly not done any research and spent basically the whole interview asking pretty idiotic questions that were designed to support only his point of view. That is rule number one in reporting for Fox News, and it's completely ass-backwards. What's the point of having people on if you're not going to gain a different perspective? Switch to a Rachel Maddow interview with a member of MPP and she actually asks for his perspective, asks him to clarify things, asks for his numbers on certain things, comes prepared with numbers of her own. THAT'S reporting, that's what being a newscaster is about. You can talk about being biased to a certain perspective all you want, but when you look at the manner in which Fox conducts their business as compared to how MSNBC conducts their business there is very little comparison. MSNBC is not nearly as full of propaganda as Fox.

Also, people throw around bias a lot. If I go on a news program and show stem cell research in a completely value-free light that's bias to some people. There's always going to be bias, editors are always going pick and choose what to report on. My problem is the way in which it's done. People like Bill O'Reily go on the air and basically throw self-righteous rants and call it news. EverythingI hear from these commentators is totally emotion-based ranting, basically them trying to stir up emotion for their causes. I think this country is well on its way to losing its sensibility. People don't approach issues in a manner of what's best for everyone anymore, they approach it as how do I feel and how can I get my voice heard. When you start talking about value issues and legislation related to them, what's the most objective way to report on them? Take abortion, one group's suggested solution would restrict everyone to one choice, one group's gives individuals their own choice. Take gay marriage, one group's solution restricts all of society to their own values, one group's allows for personal freedom in deciding one's values. If you want to talk about bias then you have to allow for discussion of objectivity, and then you have to allow for the discussion of the objectivity of your own view point. So who's more biased, Bill O'Reily when he talks about keeping gay marriage illegal because that's the way he feels or Rachel Maddow when she talks about gay marriage being legalized because that's an objectively fair solution?

Which basically leaves us with economic issues. I believe this should be the place where there is the most discussion, but there is the least. The problem I have with both sides of the American media here is that no one talks about functionality. We've regressed to just mud-slinging, using propaganda, and basically not having any discussion whatsoever of what each side hopes to accomplish and what consequences there are for each side. I do, however, blame programs like Fox for this state of affairs using the ,"he started it," rule. The thing that pisses me off to end about being a liberal is that I can make a fair and balanced economic argument using facts, studies, evidence, logic, and someone can just come in and say the, "C," word and the discussion is suddenly over, I lost. When I hear Bill O'Reily talking economics I don't hear him talking in an operational sense, I hear him appealing to emotions. This is what's right, freedom, personal liberty, just throwing around buzz words without actually going into the actual functional operation of his theories. Why? Because that would actually hurt his argument. Every libertarian likes to talk about personal freedom and keeping what you earn and the evil of taxes, and people buy into it because it sounds very noble-minded. What they don't talk about is how total economic freedom affects personal freedom, how the idea of a meritocracy needs government intervention to realistically survive, and basically the general operation of their theories. To be fair, I don't hear liberals talking about these things on their mainstream programs either. What got us to this state, however, is trying to bypass the argument. What got us here were libertarians going around talking about freedom and equality without anyone ever calling them out on it, and now whenever someone does call them out they're a communist. There is no intelligent discussion on economics on the mainstream media, period. If you want one here in America you have to go to public TV.

theone86

Plenty of comedians do that stuff. Rednecks and christans... that hasn't been done before? Please :roll:, this is small stuff compared to all kinds of degrading comedy out there. You don't think it's funny? Fine. I don't think it's really funny either, but it is important to understand the intent. It's intended to be funny, it's not supposed to be taken seriously. Just like South Park, the stuff they have on that show is crazy, but it's not supposed to be taken seriously.

But of course everyone is failing to see that this isn't serious and they are freaking out. As for your other paragraphs, I'm not going to read those... that's too much for me to handle.

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the reason its so offensive is that its from fox news (what most would think is a legit new station) and not comedy central....top it off with that its pretty much straight up racist not to mention the fact that Canada had multiple deaths in the past week so its like rubbing salt in the wounds of the families who lost loved ones still even if it is a joke you can tell these guys are half serious....what a bunch of idiots....just adding to the u.s stereotype and making enemies out of your allies arrogant opinions like this are the reason that the u.s is fighting that war in the first place.....its why 9/11 happened unfortunately
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Lol in what way is Coulter "alright"?

Well Coulter is my last name its all right that way

I meant "Anne Coulter"... :|

Yeah I know I was just saying
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How about I go around stereotyping all Christians as inbred rednecks in a snarky manner and call it comedy, how many conservatives do you think would get up in arms?theone86
People do make jokes like that. Somewhere out there someone is always making such a joke. If you get upset about every late night TV show or stupid thing like that you're not going to get much else done.

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RedEye is a joke show, and I've only seen it on in the middle of the night. I don't really have a problem with this. Anyone who has watched the actual show for more than 5 minutes would be able to figure out that it's not supposed to be taken seriously. If The Colbert Report did something like this, nobody would care. I like to bash Fox News as much as anyone else, but this board seems like a stretch. CNN has shows like "Not Just Another News Show" (on headline news anyway) which is supposed to be comedy...Comedy Central isn't the only station that can do comedic news shows.

That said, I really don't like RedEye...it's not funny to me at all. The host and his eyebrows annoy the hell out of me.

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That said, I really don't like RedEye...it's not funny to me at all. The host and his eyebrows annoy the hell out of me.JML897
i hate the way that guy looks and talks haha seems like such a douche
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For the people saying this is just comedy. ****ing learn what Comedy is. Steven Colbert is Comedy its tasteful and not ignorant. This **** here is ignorance at its ****ing best. These people need toget some taste in comedy if their trying to be funny.

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For the people saying this is just comedy. ****ing learn what Comedy is. Steven Colbert is Comedy its tasteful and not ignorant. This **** here is ignorance at its ****ing best. These people need toget some taste in comedy if their trying to be funny.

Hockey_Slayer

I'm sure Colbert has said something similar to this, but everyone knows his show is satire so it doesn't bother them. Plus, Colbert does it in a better way...he probably would've just made a 10-second joke about the Canadians wanting to watch hockey or something while Red Eye just tried to attack the Canadian military for 4 straight minutes.

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For the people saying this is just comedy. ****ing learn what Comedy is. Steven Colbert is Comedy its tasteful and not ignorant. This **** here is ignorance at its ****ing best. These people need toget some taste in comedy if their trying to be funny.

Hockey_Slayer

Just because you don't think it's funny doesn't mean that it isn't comedy. Contrary to the common belief in this thread, comedy isn't universally accepted as funny. I think a lot of comedians suck, that doesn't change the fact that they are comedians. I don't think Carrot Top is funny, but the purpose of his gig is to entertain people and make them laugh, he isn't supposed to be taken literally. Neither are these people in the video.

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[QUOTE="theone86"]How about I go around stereotyping all Christians as inbred rednecks in a snarky manner and call it comedy, how many conservatives do you think would get up in arms?duxup

People do make jokes like that. Somewhere out there someone is always making such a joke. If you get upset about every late night TV show or stupid thing like that you're not going to get much else done.

the reason why alot of people in canada are upset about this, the government included, is that there's a line in comedy and satire. no comic in america would even dare come close to insulting the american troops, and with good reason...they put their lives on the line and die for their country. guys like stewart or colbert have never done this, nor should they. it's one thing to make fun of groups of people, religion, ideologies, lifestyles, ect...it's another to make fun of people dying out there, much less on a cable news network.

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Yeah I just saw this on CP24. My boyfriend had a lot to say since he's in the Canadian military. Bunch of losers.
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[QUOTE="duxup"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]How about I go around stereotyping all Christians as inbred rednecks in a snarky manner and call it comedy, how many conservatives do you think would get up in arms?WindedSailor

People do make jokes like that. Somewhere out there someone is always making such a joke. If you get upset about every late night TV show or stupid thing like that you're not going to get much else done.

the reason why alot of people in canada are upset about this, the government included, is that there's a line in comedy and satire. no comic in america would even dare come close to insulting the american troops, and with good reason...they put their lives on the line and die for their country. guys like stewart or colbert have never done this, nor should they. it's one thing to make fun of groups of people, religion, ideologies, lifestyles, ect...it's another to make fun of people dying out there, much less on a cable news network.

Yes. I can tell. It hit too close to home for some folks to see the forest thru the threes. Distasteful or not the show is in fact there for just joking around. The idea that it reflects on Fox News as a news organization is silly, and that is coming from someone who has no use for Fox News.

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I said it before, this isn't funny, this is not comedy, there is no joke. It's just a couple of Ignorant Americans sitting around degrading an entire nation, and inflicting a stereotype upon their own. Imagine, if they were picking on blacks, talking about how they didn't even know that blacks were in the military, cause they are all lazy and incompetent, there would be just as big an outcry as there is now, and it wouldn't be any different than saying that about Canada (Which they pretty much did)
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People defending the show based on comedy, that does not pass for comedy. How about I go around stereotyping all Christians as inbred rednecks in a snarky manner and call it comedy, how many conservatives do you think would get up in arms? And again, many people can tell the difference between comedy and news, but how many people do you think just buy into the Fox agenda and take anything that's broadcast on the Fox NEWS Network as news? If the answer is greater than one, it's too many.

As for liberal bias, first taking values competely out of the equation, when you compare the actual reporting of CNN, MSNBC, and Fox and ABC it's not even funny. People like Stossel have records of just making things up to support their viewpoint, and overall the ratio of actual reporting to propaganda is pretty low. I'll just use one example, I frequent the Marajuana Policy Project website. One day they had a video posted of one of the MPP's heads being interviewed by Glen Beck. Beck had clearly not done any research and spent basically the whole interview asking pretty idiotic questions that were designed to support only his point of view. That is rule number one in reporting for Fox News, and it's completely ass-backwards. What's the point of having people on if you're not going to gain a different perspective? Switch to a Rachel Maddow interview with a member of MPP and she actually asks for his perspective, asks him to clarify things, asks for his numbers on certain things, comes prepared with numbers of her own. THAT'S reporting, that's what being a newscaster is about. You can talk about being biased to a certain perspective all you want, but when you look at the manner in which Fox conducts their business as compared to how MSNBC conducts their business there is very little comparison. MSNBC is not nearly as full of propaganda as Fox.

Also, people throw around bias a lot. If I go on a news program and show stem cell research in a completely value-free light that's bias to some people. There's always going to be bias, editors are always going pick and choose what to report on. My problem is the way in which it's done. People like Bill O'Reily go on the air and basically throw self-righteous rants and call it news. EverythingI hear from these commentators is totally emotion-based ranting, basically them trying to stir up emotion for their causes. I think this country is well on its way to losing its sensibility. People don't approach issues in a manner of what's best for everyone anymore, they approach it as how do I feel and how can I get my voice heard. When you start talking about value issues and legislation related to them, what's the most objective way to report on them? Take abortion, one group's suggested solution would restrict everyone to one choice, one group's gives individuals their own choice. Take gay marriage, one group's solution restricts all of society to their own values, one group's allows for personal freedom in deciding one's values. If you want to talk about bias then you have to allow for discussion of objectivity, and then you have to allow for the discussion of the objectivity of your own view point. So who's more biased, Bill O'Reily when he talks about keeping gay marriage illegal because that's the way he feels or Rachel Maddow when she talks about gay marriage being legalized because that's an objectively fair solution?

Which basically leaves us with economic issues. I believe this should be the place where there is the most discussion, but there is the least. The problem I have with both sides of the American media here is that no one talks about functionality. We've regressed to just mud-slinging, using propaganda, and basically not having any discussion whatsoever of what each side hopes to accomplish and what consequences there are for each side. I do, however, blame programs like Fox for this state of affairs using the ,"he started it," rule. The thing that pisses me off to end about being a liberal is that I can make a fair and balanced economic argument using facts, studies, evidence, logic, and someone can just come in and say the, "C," word and the discussion is suddenly over, I lost. When I hear Bill O'Reily talking economics I don't hear him talking in an operational sense, I hear him appealing to emotions. This is what's right, freedom, personal liberty, just throwing around buzz words without actually going into the actual functional operation of his theories. Why? Because that would actually hurt his argument. Every libertarian likes to talk about personal freedom and keeping what you earn and the evil of taxes, and people buy into it because it sounds very noble-minded. What they don't talk about is how total economic freedom affects personal freedom, how the idea of a meritocracy needs government intervention to realistically survive, and basically the general operation of their theories. To be fair, I don't hear liberals talking about these things on their mainstream programs either. What got us to this state, however, is trying to bypass the argument. What got us here were libertarians going around talking about freedom and equality without anyone ever calling them out on it, and now whenever someone does call them out they're a communist. There is no intelligent discussion on economics on the mainstream media, period. If you want one here in America you have to go to public TV.

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first, you talk about the TALK SHOW hosts like they're supposed to be unbiased, it's a talk show. O'Reilly is that because that's what made him number one. regarding Glenn Beck, he's a recovering alcoholic and drug addict. he used to smoke marijuana. i think that qualifies him to talk about it. maybe you didn't see the whole interview.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,500965,00.html

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I was listening to the radio this morning and they talked about Red Eye, they even played the recording on air.They were encouraging people to write to FOX News...

I'm not personally offended but that was not comedy, it was just sad.

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to put it on even terms...imagin a canadian or any other countries comedy or joke new station making fun of how many Americans died in Iraq and then start rippin the U.S apart for all their downfalls and stereotypes would that be funny? not at all... i have no idea why ppl are defending those dumbass's from foxnews
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to put it on even terms...imagin a canadian or any other countries comedy or joke new station making fun of how many Americans died in Iraq and then start rippin the U.S apart for all their downfalls and stereotypes would that be funny? not at all... i have no idea why ppl are defending those dumbass's from foxnewsvolcomstoner180

I'd probably lol. and im an american. you guys need to stop feeling so victimized. its. a. joke.