Gaza looks like a concentration camp

Yes it does, just look at the maps, little by little gaza will be wiped off the map, the jews will get their "promised" land, but what the hell are they gonna do when god tells them "so, you thought it was ok to commit genocide, because you thought it was ok to kill for this land? where the hell did i write that?"

Question: does the Jewish religion teach things like, "murder is ok if you are better than the victim?" really, its hard to understand how a religious folk like the Jews believe in what they believe in. What kind of almighty god of good would lead these people to believe that killing is "ok"?

Can the mods please start locking these threads? Im tired of seeing every other joe shmoe post a topic about his 2-cent opinion on this.DarKre

I don't think i should be silenced just because you are upset.

Mind explaining why you are upset?

[QUOTE="DarKre"]Can the mods please start locking these threads? Im tired of seeing every other joe shmoe post a topic about his 2-cent opinion on this.Mind_Mover

I don't think i should be silenced just because you are upset.

Mind explaining why you are upset?

no religion says to kill someone.but religuous fanaticism is the upright spine of the carnage you see in places like Gaza. Add politics to the mix and you have a dangerous equation. But what upsets you the most? Is it the mindless loss of life and how you feel disgusted as a human being at what we've become? The fact that anyone still believes in God's mysterious ways is a delusional thought. As Gandhi so eloquently put it "God has no religion". I beleive in a GOD but not the god of any religion. We've become animals who cannot think for ourselves without referring to a piece of fiction as a rulebook. Personally the whole situation in the middleast with Gaza and Israel is a waste of time. For some reason i don't even feel for the plight of the people there. The loss of human life is SAD but what is truly sickening is the cause. I dont blame the Israelis nor do i blame the Palastenians. Her they are fighting year after year and they still dont understand that maybe they need to step back and rethink their belief system. Then they expect the world to care...the world offers condemnation and charity but the world will never go to war for another country. I'm sure there are enough countries in the world that can do more than peacekeeping **** but no one wants to act on their own.

Can the mods please start locking these threads? Im tired of seeing every other joe shmoe post a topic about his 2-cent opinion on this.DarKre

This fight doesn't seem to be a fight over religion as much as it is a fight over territory. :|

[QUOTE="DarKre"]Can the mods please start locking these threads? Im tired of seeing every other joe shmoe post a topic about his 2-cent opinion on this.AlphaRail

Yes it does, just look at the maps, little by little gaza will be wiped off the map, the jews will get their "promised" land, but what the hell are they gonna do when god tells them "so, you thought it was ok to commit genocide, because you thought it was ok to kill for this land? where the hell did i write that?"

Question: does the Jewish religion teach things like, "murder is ok if you are better than the victim?" really, its hard to understand how a religious folk like the Jews believe in what they believe in. What kind of almighty god of good would lead these people to believe that killing is "ok"?

Mind_Mover

According to Jewish law, it is actually OK to kill the Palestinians. INCLUDING civilians. This is because many Israeli will categorize the Palestinian's as "Amalek". This is something that much of the media ignores.

Quote from scholar at Torah.org:

If it is ok - under the right justification - to kill babies based on race and what we think they will become, then what, exactly, is our problem with what the Nazis did?

They made a mistake in identifying which peoples to murder?

But we agree that the notion of killing babies is not only possible, but if they had picked the right race, it would have been praised by us? We would have rejoiced? We regret that we didn't succeed in 100% genocide against Amalek? Yes, we do regret failing to kill every last baby, and we long to be able to go back in time and snuff the life out of all of them.

If we could transport the same gas chambers, back in time, and triple the job, wipe out an entire race, not just a third, we would have joy today.


LET ME BE CLEAR, AGAIN:

I am not talking about Amalek soldiers, men, adults...

I'm talking about the infants, the babies.

The mitzvah includes killing babies based on race.

Communal, personal, the bottom line is that we either uphold that command or we do not.

If we do, then our blanket complaint against the Nazis must be more specific.

There's nothing wrong with killing innocent babies, one must simply kill the raced babies.

Right?

Our only dispute with the Germans was which race deserved to be killed.

They (a few of them) felt it was the Jews, we know it was a different race that needed to be sent to the grave, including their babies.



Our only problem is we can't be sure we're killing the right babies, based on race, so that's the only reason we don't do it today.

Holocausts are 100% good, and moral if you pick the right race. That's our position, in the clear.

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]

Yes it does, just look at the maps, little by little gaza will be wiped off the map, the jews will get their "promised" land, but what the hell are they gonna do when god tells them "so, you thought it was ok to commit genocide, because you thought it was ok to kill for this land? where the hell did i write that?"

Question: does the Jewish religion teach things like, "murder is ok if you are better than the victim?" really, its hard to understand how a religious folk like the Jews believe in what they believe in. What kind of almighty god of good would lead these people to believe that killing is "ok"?

Mehdi1984

According to Jewish law, it is actually OK to kill the Palestinians. INCLUDING civilians. This is because many Israeli will categorize the Israeli's as "Amalek". This is something that much of the media ignores.

Yes it does, just look at the maps, little by little gaza will be wiped off the map, the jews will get their "promised" land, but what the hell are they gonna do when god tells them "so, you thought it was ok to commit genocide, because you thought it was ok to kill for this land? where the hell did i write that?"

Question: does the Jewish religion teach things like, "murder is ok if you are better than the victim?" really, its hard to understand how a religious folk like the Jews believe in what they believe in. What kind of almighty god of good would lead these people to believe that killing is "ok"?

Yes it does, just look at the maps, little by little gaza will be wiped off the map, the jews will get their "promised" land, but what the hell are they gonna do when god tells them "so, you thought it was ok to commit genocide, because you thought it was ok to kill for this land? where the hell did i write that?"

Question: does the Jewish religion teach things like, "murder is ok if you are better than the victim?" really, its hard to understand how a religious folk like the Jews believe in what they believe in. What kind of almighty god of good would lead these people to believe that killing is "ok"?

ya know im getting sick of all you pro gaza peopleishoturface

You do realize that the majority of Israeli's do not accept the comparison between the Amaleks and the Palestinians, right?

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="ishoturface"]ya know im getting sick of all you pro gaza peoplesonicare

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="ishoturface"]ya know im getting sick of all you pro gaza peopleishoturface

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="ishoturface"]ya know im getting sick of all you pro gaza peopleishoturface

what about the majority *not-hamas* palestinians?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] You do realize that the majority of Israeli's do not accept the comparison between the Amaleks and the Palestinians, right?

Mehdi1984

[QUOTE="Mehdi1984"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] You do realize that the majority of Israeli's do not accept the comparison between the Amaleks and the Palestinians, right?

-Sun_Tzu-

Does it even matter?

If all the Palasintines die what do we lose? Nothing. Anyway I support Isreal. Most of the palistines like 92 % of them are hiding and fedding Hamas. LONG LIVE ISREAL.

Does it even matter?

If all the Palasintines die what do we lose? Nothing. Anyway I support Isreal. Most of the palistines like 92 % of them are hiding and fedding Hamas. LONG LIVE ISREAL.

Omni-Wrath

250+ children dead, 1000+ wounded, without arms or legs, no parents, you think that this doesn't matter? it freaking well does matter, if you atleast have a bit of humanity in you:|

People who have no regard for human lives like you, should not have any human rights at all, and be giving the same rights the animals have.

250+ children dead, 1000+ wounded, without arms or legs, no parents, you think that this doesn't matter? it freaking well does matter, if you atleast have a bit of humanity in you:| Yongying

[QUOTE="Yongying"] People who have no regard for human lives like you, should not have any human rights at all, and be giving the same rights the animals have.

250+ children dead, 1000+ wounded, without arms or legs, no parents, you think that this doesn't matter? it freaking well does matter, if you atleast have a bit of humanity in you:| thardus317

This is either gonna get locked or have 20+ pages. Anyway, I'm pretty sure Judaism doesn't condone killing, but I could be wrong.Parandrus

Does it even matter?

If all the Palasintines die what do we lose? Nothing. Anyway I support Isreal. Most of the palistines like 92 % of them are hiding and fedding Hamas. LONG LIVE ISREAL.

Omni-Wrath

Yes it does, just look at the maps, little by little gaza will be wiped off the map, the jews will get their "promised" land, but what the hell are they gonna do when god tells them "so, you thought it was ok to commit genocide, because you thought it was ok to kill for this land? where the hell did i write that?"

Mind_Mover

It's OK to respond when you're being attacked...just not Nazi style.jointed

[QUOTE="jointed"]It's OK to respond when you're being attacked...just not Nazi style.Fire-of-Njozi

[QUOTE="The_Solid"][QUOTE="AlphaRail"] :|. Did you know that they have been fighting for years and years...ever since the inception in 1948...If you guys are going to bash, then learn your facts. Also HITLER GOT THEM OUT OF AN ECONOMIC SLUMP, if you didn't realize, the depression happened then and they got out of it a few years later because of what Hitler did with the economy.AlphaRail

K ummmmmm.... Yes and no. You're both right. Hitler fought in WWI and thought they were winning. When Germany gave up he was mad at everyone in Germany. But having such a large Jewish population they got singled out. He belived Arians were the superior race and after WWI 3 Million Germans were displaced in Europe. Mostly Austria, Hugary and eastern European Countries. ANd wanted it all untied

He did get them out of the depression. But ultimately ruined the Country.

Does it even matter?

If all the Palasintines die what do we lose? Nothing. Anyway I support Isreal. Most of the palistines like 92 % of them are hiding and fedding Hamas. LONG LIVE ISREAL.

Omni-Wrath

[QUOTE="ishoturface"][QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]

Yes it does, just look at the maps, little by little gaza will be wiped off the map, the jews will get their "promised" land, but what the hell are they gonna do when god tells them "so, you thought it was ok to commit genocide, because you thought it was ok to kill for this land? where the hell did i write that?"

Question: does the Jewish religion teach things like, "murder is ok if you are better than the victim?" really, its hard to understand how a religious folk like the Jews believe in what they believe in. What kind of almighty god of good would lead these people to believe that killing is "ok"?

sonicare

oh this thread is nice ^^ I like a good debate. Do note that I am fairly disgusted with both sides, but its not like I do not understand them.

Hamas: Gaza HAS been a prison, (some say a concentration camp) for a long time. The people there are trapped, havent had enough food, water, or medical help for a very long time. If someone was killing off your people, would you not try to strike back?

striking back at civies is a bad choice tho.

Also I find the Israeli way of waging war in Gaza grusome. The standard practice of using the civiliens of Gaza as human shields are in so bad taste that it is hard to justify.

And then there are the "accidental" bombings which is getting really out of hand, hospitals, schools and food supplys... whose are valid targets now? Those are not targets to fight hamas, those are targets to kill off anyone.

Its not hard bieng Israel, practically sorrounded by enemies, who want them dead.

That said Hamas, should never have invited the Israely forces to do these kind of things in the first place, sending rockets into Israel is ofcourse going to bring retaliation, and Hamas is generally not a group I would put any faith on.

I do feel like alot of israili people do, that the extreme right wing of thier goverment should be banned, or erased completely.

Also Gaza turning into a prison camp is not enterily Israels fault, Egypt has effectively closed down thier boarder for a long time.

I am very shocked that the Israeli people would do any of this considering thier history.

Just goes to show, that all people can turn into monsters when the need arises

Where in Islam does it say strap bombs to your children and blow up your own brothers and sisters?efrucht