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[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]ShadowMoses900

Arabic, English and probably 65% of French here. Im hoping to learn Mandarin as well if Im going to be doing business in China (hopefully)

Mandarin is hard I hear, but I would love to learn it. I like the Chinese people, it sucks they live unde communism but China is where the money is at.

...I dont think any country "where the money is at" is communist.
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#102 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]ShadowMoses900

Arabic, English and probably 65% of French here. Im hoping to learn Mandarin as well if Im going to be doing business in China (hopefully)

Mandarin is hard I hear, but I would love to learn it. I like the Chinese people, it sucks they live unde communism but China is where the money is at.

oh noes! commyism!

a system where all the wealth is held by a privileged few!

hope that never happens here!

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#103 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]Have you ever been outside of America? BossPerson
Yes. What does that have to do with my question?

Alright fine, Im sorry, you're right. Reforming Iraq, one of the most corrupt countries in the world which has gone through decades of war with millions killed, which is owned by Iran, where political reformers are killed all the time....is an easy task. Ill call my cousins now and tell them to start a protest.

So rather than have a civil discussions....you're gong to be sarcastic. Fine....let Iraq to it's own devices. Last I heard....there weren't any walls keeping your cousins in. And nothing gets solved if everyone just accepts the status quo. So instead of working...they can sit on their asses and cry. We'll see how well that works out for them. And with such an apathetic way of living...don't expect any sympathy. Those that help themselves....get help.
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#104 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Yes. What does that have to do with my question?

Alright fine, Im sorry, you're right. Reforming Iraq, one of the most corrupt countries in the world which has gone through decades of war with millions killed, which is owned by Iran, where political reformers are killed all the time....is an easy task. Ill call my cousins now and tell them to start a protest.

So rather than have a civil discussions....you're gong to be sarcastic. Fine....let Iraq to it's own devices. Last I heard....there weren't any walls keeping your cousins in. And nothing gets solved if everyone just accepts the status quo. So instead of working...they can sit on their asses and cry. We'll see how well that works out for them. And with such an apathetic way of living...don't expect any sympathy. Those that help themselves....get help.

Yeah, worked well in Syria didn't it.
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#105 SUD123456
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I graduated 1 and a half year ago and I have been since struggling to get a job, in vain.

A recent UN report stated that by 2020, the place will be utterly inhabitable. I tell you this, its pretty much inhabitable as it is now and looking how things are going in the region, the future is pretty grim.

GazaAli

Are you able to leave? What would it take for you to be able to leave?

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#106 SaudiFury
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]Alright fine, Im sorry, you're right. Reforming Iraq, one of the most corrupt countries in the world which has gone through decades of war with millions killed, which is owned by Iran, where political reformers are killed all the time....is an easy task. Ill call my cousins now and tell them to start a protest. Ravensmash
So rather than have a civil discussions....you're gong to be sarcastic. Fine....let Iraq to it's own devices. Last I heard....there weren't any walls keeping your cousins in. And nothing gets solved if everyone just accepts the status quo. So instead of working...they can sit on their asses and cry. We'll see how well that works out for them. And with such an apathetic way of living...don't expect any sympathy. Those that help themselves....get help.

Yeah, worked well in Syria didn't it.

:lol: oh snap. though i'm sure LJ will find some niggling thing to bring up or assert.
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#107 Nayef_shroof
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That's an illogical statement. Jobs still exist whether they require a degree or not. I'd imagine it's more depressing to spend all that money on a degree and end up at McDonald's. So I don't feel sympathy for someone that used such an extreme response to what may have been a temporary situation. Life sucks in some way for everyone....you make the best of it.....LJS9502_basic
It's not illogical, it's basic logic. In a place where employment is already extremely high and 80% of the population survives on food aid, I don't think it's fair to say that people are afforded the same opportunities compared to a much larger economy.

A person out of work and struggling is just that....no matter what plot of land they are on. An American or Brit that has no job or a low paying job and can't properly provide for their family is not going to be comforted by..hey that dude in Gaza doesn't have a job. My problems are all gone now. And if you don't understand the personal part of the equation than of course you're going to think comparisons matter. But they don't. Now when it's your family in trouble. PERIOD.

Frankly (Or bluntly), you're a fvcking moron. PERIOD. It's factually more FAR more difficult to obtain a job (Let alone a decent income) in Gaza than the U.K./U.S.

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#108 GazaAli
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BBC reports

I graduated 1 and a half year ago and I have been since struggling to get a job, in vain.

A recent UN report stated that by 2020, the place will be utterly inhabitable. I tell you this, its pretty much inhabitable as it is now and looking how things are going in the region, the future is pretty grim.

SUD123456

Are you able to leave? What would it take for you to be able to leave?

I need a visa. I'd like to leave to Europe so I would need either a work visa through a job contract or a student visa through a scholarship. I have not succeeded in acquiring either.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] It's not illogical, it's basic logic. In a place where employment is already extremely high and 80% of the population survives on food aid, I don't think it's fair to say that people are afforded the same opportunities compared to a much larger economy. Nayef_shroof

A person out of work and struggling is just that....no matter what plot of land they are on. An American or Brit that has no job or a low paying job and can't properly provide for their family is not going to be comforted by..hey that dude in Gaza doesn't have a job. My problems are all gone now. And if you don't understand the personal part of the equation than of course you're going to think comparisons matter. But they don't. Now when it's your family in trouble. PERIOD.

Frankly (Or bluntly), you're a fvcking moron. PERIOD. It's factually more FAR more difficult to obtain a job (Let alone a decent income) in Gaza than the U.K./U.S.

Don't jump out of your chair, but, ahem, I agree with you Shroofy.
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#110 Nayef_shroof
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]A person out of work and struggling is just that....no matter what plot of land they are on. An American or Brit that has no job or a low paying job and can't properly provide for their family is not going to be comforted by..hey that dude in Gaza doesn't have a job. My problems are all gone now. And if you don't understand the personal part of the equation than of course you're going to think comparisons matter. But they don't. Now when it's your family in trouble. PERIOD.MrPraline

Frankly (Or bluntly), you're a fvcking moron. PERIOD. It's factually more FAR more difficult to obtain a job (Let alone a decent income) in Gaza than the U.K./U.S.

Don't jump out of your chair, but, ahem, I agree with you Shroofy.

Well isn't that nice :). We can agree about something :P
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#111 DeathCl0ck
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At this point, I think his death should send a message as to how horrible the living conditions are over there. Perhaps now that this event is getting around, more people will start to pay attention and possibly take action.

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#112 DeathCl0ck
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At this point, I think his death should send a message as to how horrible the living conditions are over there. Perhaps now that this event is getting around, more people will start to pay attention and possibly take action.

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#113 SUD123456
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]

BBC reports

I graduated 1 and a half year ago and I have been since struggling to get a job, in vain.

A recent UN report stated that by 2020, the place will be utterly inhabitable. I tell you this, its pretty much inhabitable as it is now and looking how things are going in the region, the future is pretty grim.

GazaAli

Are you able to leave? What would it take for you to be able to leave?

I need a visa. I'd like to leave to Europe so I would need either a work visa through a job contract or a student visa through a scholarship. I have not succeeded in acquiring either.

What education/skills do you have?

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#114 JohnF111
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He reacted quite violently.. with oxygen.
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#115 kuraimen
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Netanyahu is as mmuch a terrorist as Hamas. Both should go.
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#116 Rockman999
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Wow so young, his life barely started and already he rage quits. What a cry baby.
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#117 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

i have no idea why you guys want the jews out of there.

the entire middle east would fall upon itself like a pack of rabid dogs if there was not the jews and isreal to focus the hate on.

you are lucky to have a common enemy to keep the attention on.

Riverwolf007

That's swell and all, but not really relevant to what the topic was.

well sorry to but in and all but things are tough all over.

here is the list of tibetian immolations.

And?

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#118 Dogswithguns
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It's so cold in this thread...

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I'm scared right now, life around here ain't all that great either.
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#119 branketra
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BBC reports

I graduated 1 and a half year ago and I have been since struggling to get a job, in vain.

A recent UN report stated that by 2020, the place will be utterly inhabitable. I tell you this, its pretty much inhabitable as it is now and looking how things are going in the region, the future is pretty grim.

GazaAli
That is horrible.
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#120 lo_Pine
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Jeez man. Just tough it out a little longer what a sissy little boy.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] It's not illogical, it's basic logic. In a place where employment is already extremely high and 80% of the population survives on food aid, I don't think it's fair to say that people are afforded the same opportunities compared to a much larger economy. Nayef_shroof

A person out of work and struggling is just that....no matter what plot of land they are on. An American or Brit that has no job or a low paying job and can't properly provide for their family is not going to be comforted by..hey that dude in Gaza doesn't have a job. My problems are all gone now. And if you don't understand the personal part of the equation than of course you're going to think comparisons matter. But they don't. Now when it's your family in trouble. PERIOD.

Frankly (Or bluntly), you're a fvcking moron. PERIOD. It's factually more FAR more difficult to obtain a job (Let alone a decent income) in Gaza than the U.K./U.S.

Or you're just another moron that thinks everything gets handed to people and they don't have to work for it. You want your country better...stop sitting and crying about it and do something. Dumbass....
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#122 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]A person out of work and struggling is just that....no matter what plot of land they are on. An American or Brit that has no job or a low paying job and can't properly provide for their family is not going to be comforted by..hey that dude in Gaza doesn't have a job. My problems are all gone now. And if you don't understand the personal part of the equation than of course you're going to think comparisons matter. But they don't. Now when it's your family in trouble. PERIOD.LJS9502_basic

Frankly (Or bluntly), you're a fvcking moron. PERIOD. It's factually more FAR more difficult to obtain a job (Let alone a decent income) in Gaza than the U.K./U.S.

Or you're just another moron that thinks everything gets handed to people and they don't have to work for it. You want your country better...stop sitting and crying about it and do something. Dumbass....

Are you being serious? It's not really a difficult concept to grasp. And why do you keep bringing up this 'do something about it?' what on earth do you suggest an individual does in a place like that? "Hey, if you're starving in sub-saharan Africa, then why don't YOU go get a job and go buy yourself a McDonald's!"
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Frankly (Or bluntly), you're a fvcking moron. PERIOD. It's factually more FAR more difficult to obtain a job (Let alone a decent income) in Gaza than the U.K./U.S.Ravensmash
Or you're just another moron that thinks everything gets handed to people and they don't have to work for it. You want your country better...stop sitting and crying about it and do something. Dumbass....

Are you being serious? It's not really a difficult concept to grasp. And why do you keep bringing up this 'do something about it?' what on earth do you suggest an individual does in a place like that? "Hey, if you're starving in sub-saharan Africa, then why don't YOU go get a job and go buy yourself a McDonald's!"

Africa now? Isn't it odd how the ME used to be a one of the most advanced societies. Now what could have happened that they are so behind now? Perhaps they have no commodities to trade to the rest of the world....I mean no one wants oil right? How is it that Israel a relatively new nation in the ME is successful? Don't give me the BS about the hardships of the ME. Much of it comes down to actions or in-actions. So if NS et al want to sit around and moan about how bad they have it.....it does, indeed, come down to doing something about it. Perhaps they should elect new governments and hey....not have their religion run the countries. You act like the rest of the world just happened to be magically made successful. Hint: The societies had to work at it.
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Or you're just another moron that thinks everything gets handed to people and they don't have to work for it. You want your country better...stop sitting and crying about it and do something. Dumbass....LJS9502_basic
Are you being serious? It's not really a difficult concept to grasp. And why do you keep bringing up this 'do something about it?' what on earth do you suggest an individual does in a place like that? "Hey, if you're starving in sub-saharan Africa, then why don't YOU go get a job and go buy yourself a McDonald's!"

Africa now? Isn't it odd how the ME used to be a one of the most advanced societies. Now what could have happened that they are so behind now? Perhaps they have no commodities to trade to the rest of the world....I mean no one wants oil right? How is it that Israel a relatively new nation in the ME is successful? Don't give me the BS about the hardships of the ME. Much of it comes down to actions or in-actions. So if NS et al want to sit around and moan about how bad they have it.....it does, indeed, come down to doing something about it. Perhaps they should elect new governments and hey....not have their religion run the countries. You act like the rest of the world just happened to be magically made successful. Hint: The societies had to work at it.

Brought up that example to highlight how you're applying broad statements to very different places, with very different situations. You can't compare a place like Gaza with an established country. Not to mention that the situation there, and constant conflict clearly has an effect on the progression of a nation or state.

"In January and February 2011, the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (UNOCHA) conducted an assessment of the effects of the measures to ease the access restrictions.[110] They concluded that they did not result in a significant improvement in peoples livelihoods.[110] They found that the "pivotal nature of the remaining restrictions" and the effects of three years of strict blockade prevented a significant improvement in livelihoods and called on Israel to fully abolish the blockade including removing restrictions on the import of construction materials and the exports of goods, and to lift the general ban on the movement of people between Gaza and the West Bank via Israel in order to comply with what they described as international humanitarian and human rights law obligations."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip But... "According to the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (PCBS), the economy of the Gaza Strip improved in 2011, with a drop in unemployment and an increase in GDP. New malls have opened and local industry is developing. The economic upswing has led to the construction of hotels and a rise in the import of cars.[102]" Maybe things will improve.

You come across as very politically naive, where you're happy to apply our first world logic to a place where freedoms, liberty and prospects aren't necessarily taken for granted.

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#125 GazaAli
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Wow so young, his life barely started and already he rage quits. What a cry baby.Rockman999
What many of you fail to realize is that he set himself on fire AFTER his father told him to go and look for a job. Due to the living conditions here, fathers push their sons to look for a job in an age as young as 14. In this case, his father has probably been nagging him to look for a job for many years. Without education, they often end up in some serious labor jobs with laughable wages. Its pretty much child labor. Also, the psychological impact of these living conditions is pretty strong. Fathers can't support their families so they want their sons to help. Those sons look for jobs but they can't find any so they set and watch their families' living conditions deteriorate. They start feeling guilty. Then the fathers may ask for help from other people to support the family, so there is the feeling of humiliation. Its a clusterfvck of frustration, no prospects, need and deprivation.
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[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]A person out of work and struggling is just that....no matter what plot of land they are on. An American or Brit that has no job or a low paying job and can't properly provide for their family is not going to be comforted by..hey that dude in Gaza doesn't have a job. My problems are all gone now. And if you don't understand the personal part of the equation than of course you're going to think comparisons matter. But they don't. Now when it's your family in trouble. PERIOD.LJS9502_basic

Frankly (Or bluntly), you're a fvcking moron. PERIOD. It's factually more FAR more difficult to obtain a job (Let alone a decent income) in Gaza than the U.K./U.S.

Or you're just another moron that thinks everything gets handed to people and they don't have to work for it. You want your country better...stop sitting and crying about it and do something. Dumbass....

Tell me dumbass, How many College Degrees do you have, what is your job? Since it is so easy....
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#127 kingkong0124
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Lots of idiots in this thread.

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#128 MrPraline
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lol this thread is oh so silly. I should pull a real life LJS: order a beer at my usual place and insist for 45 minutes that what she's serving me is actually wine and that she shouldn't argue with agreed upon definitions. Maybe add some dramatic....pauses... F*ck I hope I never get drunk enough to do that sh*t, would be awful.
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#129 kingkong0124
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lol this thread is oh so silly. I should pull a real life LJS: order a beer at my usual place and insist for 45 minutes that what she's serving me is actually wine and that she shouldn't argue with agreed upon definitions. Maybe add some dramatic....pauses... F*ck I hope I never get drunk enough to do that sh*t, would be awful.MrPraline

Don't fight with each other, I think both of you are pretty cool. :)

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#130 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"]lol this thread is oh so silly. I should pull a real life LJS: order a beer at my usual place and insist for 45 minutes that what she's serving me is actually wine and that she shouldn't argue with agreed upon definitions. Maybe add some dramatic....pauses... F*ck I hope I never get drunk enough to do that sh*t, would be awful.kingkong0124

Don't fight with each other, I think both of you are pretty cool. :)

lol, me and LJS are meant to argue with eachother on OT, pretty sure ending it would cause an earthquake somewhere.
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There's no use debating this topic since everyone's mind is already made up. People come here to denounce Israel or to defend it, they've decided which one long before they enter this thread.
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#132 GazaAli
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Lots of idiots in this thread.

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I'm quoting KK :lol: its all good and fun.
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#133 GazaAli
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There's no use debating this topic since everyone's mind is already made up. People come here to denounce Israel or to defend it, they've decided which one long before they enter this thread.jointed
blind support of either is fvcked up.
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[QUOTE="jointed"]There's no use debating this topic since everyone's mind is already made up. People come here to denounce Israel or to defend it, they've decided which one long before they enter this thread.GazaAli
blind support of either is fvcked up.

I look at it this way. Almost every single European country is extremely critical towards Israel. All of these countries have separate news agencies and press. Is it a coincidence that all of them have come to the same conclusion? I honestly don't know, but I recon AIPAC has got a lot to do with the favorable public opinion in the US.
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#135 DJ-Lafleur
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It's unfortunate that the teen was put into a position wher ehe felt he needed to burn himself, and of course what that area is going through is terrible.

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#136 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]lol this thread is oh so silly. I should pull a real life LJS: order a beer at my usual place and insist for 45 minutes that what she's serving me is actually wine and that she shouldn't argue with agreed upon definitions. Maybe add some dramatic....pauses... F*ck I hope I never get drunk enough to do that sh*t, would be awful.MrPraline

Don't fight with each other, I think both of you are pretty cool. :)

lol, me and LJS are meant to argue with eachother on OT, pretty sure ending it would cause an earthquake somewhere.

Uh...I think you are already that drunk dude. We have not had an argument in this thread.:|
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#137 mayceV
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Yes. What does that have to do with my question?

Alright fine, Im sorry, you're right. Reforming Iraq, one of the most corrupt countries in the world which has gone through decades of war with millions killed, which is owned by Iran, where political reformers are killed all the time....is an easy task. Ill call my cousins now and tell them to start a protest.

So rather than have a civil discussions....you're gong to be sarcastic. Fine....let Iraq to it's own devices. Last I heard....there weren't any walls keeping your cousins in. And nothing gets solved if everyone just accepts the status quo. So instead of working...they can sit on their asses and cry. We'll see how well that works out for them. And with such an apathetic way of living...don't expect any sympathy. Those that help themselves....get help.

good lord man. You are very delusional if you think that studying and working hard will get you anywhere beyond barely livng in Iraq, Syria, Gaza, or any nongulf country in the middle east. Let me tell you how it works here. If your family has connections you're golden. if not you sit down and hope your hard work can amoutn to a working permit in Europe or the US. Seeing all the crap around me (in Jordan and surrounding countries) I feel like the most blessed human being on the planet that I was born a a US citizen and raised there. and that my father was one of the lucky guys who got to study in the UK & US and resulted in getting citizenship and work back in the 80's . Poverty isn't the only problem its the politics, the corruption, the war, and the way the world views you that crushes you as much as the poverty itself does.
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#138 mayceV
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Yes. What does that have to do with my question?

Alright fine, Im sorry, you're right. Reforming Iraq, one of the most corrupt countries in the world which has gone through decades of war with millions killed, which is owned by Iran, where political reformers are killed all the time....is an easy task. Ill call my cousins now and tell them to start a protest.

So rather than have a civil discussions....you're gong to be sarcastic. Fine....let Iraq to it's own devices. Last I heard....there weren't any walls keeping your cousins in. And nothing gets solved if everyone just accepts the status quo. So instead of working...they can sit on their asses and cry. We'll see how well that works out for them. And with such an apathetic way of living...don't expect any sympathy. Those that help themselves....get help.

good lord man. You are very delusional if you think that studying and working hard will get you anywhere beyond barely livng in Iraq, Syria, Gaza, or any nongulf country in the middle east. Let me tell you how it works here. If your family has connections you're golden. if not you sit down and hope your hard work can amoutn to a working permit in Europe or the US. Seeing all the crap around me (in Jordan and surrounding countries) I feel like the most blessed human being on the planet that I was born a a US citizen and raised there. and that my father was one of the lucky guys who got to study in the UK & US and resulted in getting citizenship and work back in the 80's . Poverty isn't the only problem its the politics, the corruption, the war, and the way the world views you that crushes you as much as the poverty itself does.
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#139 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

Don't fight with each other, I think both of you are pretty cool. :)

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lol, me and LJS are meant to argue with eachother on OT, pretty sure ending it would cause an earthquake somewhere.

Uh...I think you are already that drunk dude. We have not had an argument in this thread.:|

loli know gaza meant fighting in general brohammed
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#140 mayceV
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There's no use debating this topic since everyone's mind is already made up. People come here to denounce Israel or to defend it, they've decided which one long before they enter this thread.jointed
...its not an Israel Vs Palestine thread. its a Gaza is... well the thread is derailed every other post but stays in the region of Arabic and Poor people not having jobs and Politics.
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#141 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]Alright fine, Im sorry, you're right. Reforming Iraq, one of the most corrupt countries in the world which has gone through decades of war with millions killed, which is owned by Iran, where political reformers are killed all the time....is an easy task. Ill call my cousins now and tell them to start a protest. mayceV
So rather than have a civil discussions....you're gong to be sarcastic. Fine....let Iraq to it's own devices. Last I heard....there weren't any walls keeping your cousins in. And nothing gets solved if everyone just accepts the status quo. So instead of working...they can sit on their asses and cry. We'll see how well that works out for them. And with such an apathetic way of living...don't expect any sympathy. Those that help themselves....get help.

good lord man. You are very delusional if you think that studying and working hard will get you anywhere beyond barely livng in Iraq, Syria, Gaza, or any nongulf country in the middle east. Let me tell you how it works here. If your family has connections you're golden. if not you sit down and hope your hard work can amoutn to a working permit in Europe or the US. Seeing all the crap around me (in Jordan and surrounding countries) I feel like the most blessed human being on the planet that I was born a a US citizen and raised there. and that my father was one of the lucky guys who got to study in the UK & US and resulted in getting citizenship and work back in the 80's . Poverty isn't the only problem its the politics, the corruption, the war, and the way the world views you that crushes you as much as the poverty itself does.

Where did I mention anything about studying? My comment had nothing to do with college degrees nor professions but rather working to improve the country. But hey....if sitting around b*tching is all that you want to do....then like I said see how far that goes. There is NO country that got where they are today by having the citizens sit around and do nothing.
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#142 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Frankly (Or bluntly), you're a fvcking moron. PERIOD. It's factually more FAR more difficult to obtain a job (Let alone a decent income) in Gaza than the U.K./U.S.Nuck81
Or you're just another moron that thinks everything gets handed to people and they don't have to work for it. You want your country better...stop sitting and crying about it and do something. Dumb ass....

Tell me dumbass, How many College Degrees do you have, what is your job? Since it is so easy....

College degrees and professions have nothing to do with my discussion dumb ass....
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#143 mayceV
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[QUOTE="mayceV"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] So rather than have a civil discussions....you're gong to be sarcastic. Fine....let Iraq to it's own devices. Last I heard....there weren't any walls keeping your cousins in. And nothing gets solved if everyone just accepts the status quo. So instead of working...they can sit on their asses and cry. We'll see how well that works out for them. And with such an apathetic way of living...don't expect any sympathy. Those that help themselves....get help.LJS9502_basic
good lord man. You are very delusional if you think that studying and working hard will get you anywhere beyond barely livng in Iraq, Syria, Gaza, or any nongulf country in the middle east. Let me tell you how it works here. If your family has connections you're golden. if not you sit down and hope your hard work can amoutn to a working permit in Europe or the US. Seeing all the crap around me (in Jordan and surrounding countries) I feel like the most blessed human being on the planet that I was born a a US citizen and raised there. and that my father was one of the lucky guys who got to study in the UK & US and resulted in getting citizenship and work back in the 80's . Poverty isn't the only problem its the politics, the corruption, the war, and the way the world views you that crushes you as much as the poverty itself does.

Where did I mention anything about studying? My comment had nothing to do with college degrees nor professions but rather working to improve the country. But hey....if sitting around b*tching is all that you want to do....then like I said see how far that goes. There is NO country that got where they are today by having the citizens sit around and do nothing.

oh, ok you're actually right there. in Jordan for example people just **** your arguement is fully valid there. no one does anything to a government that is sh*t at **** noblest. Syria they're actually doing something I wish would happen in Jordan (can't though, refugees will have nowhere to go XD). But in places like Palesine and Iraq are different. Palestine because its occupied and Iraq because protests have no real progress. Iraq had huge protests that lasted for many months and they got the president to resign. Guess what... still pretty sh*tty. Progress in the Middle East is hampered by the people themselves. When a postive person tries to do somthing he's shooed away or not trusted because of the ones before him. it gives the illusion of not getting better which depresses people. In Iraq you add ethnic and religious battles, tribesmen above the law ( that's avalible in Jordan but to a lesser extent), Iranian influences, and major infrastructure problems. Then you see why people are less inclined to do anything other than move away. They see no progress achievable within a time that they can enjoy the spoils. Iraq will take minimum 30-40 years to really be fixed that's a heavy work load. a full career cycle. And that's with the fact that the wars have turned people against each other. Personally though, I think that you're right on the basis that people have to at least try.

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#144 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mayceV"] good lord man. You are very delusional if you think that studying and working hard will get you anywhere beyond barely livng in Iraq, Syria, Gaza, or any nongulf country in the middle east. Let me tell you how it works here. If your family has connections you're golden. if not you sit down and hope your hard work can amoutn to a working permit in Europe or the US. Seeing all the crap around me (in Jordan and surrounding countries) I feel like the most blessed human being on the planet that I was born a a US citizen and raised there. and that my father was one of the lucky guys who got to study in the UK & US and resulted in getting citizenship and work back in the 80's . Poverty isn't the only problem its the politics, the corruption, the war, and the way the world views you that crushes you as much as the poverty itself does. mayceV

Where did I mention anything about studying? My comment had nothing to do with college degrees nor professions but rather working to improve the country. But hey....if sitting around b*tching is all that you want to do....then like I said see how far that goes. There is NO country that got where they are today by having the citizens sit around and do nothing.

oh, ok you're actually right there. in Jordan for example people just **** your arguement is fully valid there. no one does anything to a government that is sh*t at **** noblest. Syria they're actually doing something I wish would happen in Jordan (can't though, refugees will have nowhere to go XD). But in places like Palesine and Iraq are different. Palestine because its occupied and Iraq because protests have no real progress. Iraq had huge protests that lasted for many months and they got the president to resign. Guess what... still pretty sh*tty. Progress in the Middle East is hampered by the people themselves. When a postive person tries to do somthing he's shooed away or not trusted because of the ones before him. it gives the illusion of not getting better which depresses people. In Iraq you add ethnic and religious battles, tribesmen above the law ( that's avalible in Jordan but to a lesser extent), Iranian influences, and major infrastructure problems. Then you see why people are less inclined to do anything other than move away. They see no progress achievable within a time that they can enjoy the spoils. Iraq will take minimum 30-40 years to really be fixed that's a heavy work load. a full career cycle. And that's with the fact that the wars have turned people against each other. Personally though, I think that you're right on the basis that people have to at least try.

Growing pains are just that. They don't happen over night...and they can have some adverse affects. But yeah.....people have to get interested or disgusted enough to start.