George Zimmerman involved in an accident... rescues person from vehicle.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="junglist101"]The kid would have went on to be a real winner yeah?...

WilliamRLBaker

Oh god, that dart board is proof he'd be a serial killer.

all this talk about "how Zimmerman could have prevented the confrontation", what about Martin?

Instead of turning around and saying "Excuse me sir, can I help you?" he decided to be immediately confrontational.  Both parties could have played their hands differently, that much is obvious, but lets hold both parties equally to blame for the events leading to the fight.

Zimmerman was a wannabe cop.

Martin was a wannabe criminal.

They met on a dark street in Florida.

Martin was dead.

He more or less deserved it.

Zimmerman had to go on trial.

He more or less deserved it.

Zimmerman got acquitted.

He more or less deserved it.

Alot could have prevented what happened. Zimmerman could have followed more carefully. Martin could have not attacked Zimmerman.

But generally? Yeah, Martin got what was coming to him.

Now all the media and paparazzi and Beyonce and Jayz and the black community, they only care about one thing : race.

If you don't attack people they have no reason to shoot you.

"But they kill us cuz we black."

Nobody kills you because you're black. They kill you when you're an uncivilized piece of schit that can't even walk down the street without attacking others. "But someone's following me." So what. "But I'm offended." I don't care. "But I shouldn't get shot for hitting people." Yes you should.

End.

all this talk about "how Zimmerman could have prevented the confrontation", what about Martin?

Instead of turning around and saying "Excuse me sir, can I help you?" he decided to be immediately confrontational.  Both parties could have played their hands differently, that much is obvious, but lets hold both parties equally to blame for the events leading to the fight.

mrbojangles25

I've been followed in my neighborhood when I was a teen (we were being loud and roaming around the neighborhood)...an older man followed us and yelled at us about what we were doing...simply said "we are just going home" and that was the end of it.

Punching someone isn't even remotely a sane response to being followed/watched.  Now, nobody knows exactly what happened but assuming something similar people acting like Martin had a right to assault someone for following/watching him is rubbish.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

all this talk about "how Zimmerman could have prevented the confrontation", what about Martin?

Instead of turning around and saying "Excuse me sir, can I help you?" he decided to be immediately confrontational.  Both parties could have played their hands differently, that much is obvious, but lets hold both parties equally to blame for the events leading to the fight.

thebest31406

How does it feel to have shit for brains?

[QUOTE="dave123321"]Ahugecat was here todayNibroc420

I've been followed in my neighborhood when I was a teen (we were being loud and roaming around the neighborhood)...an older man followed us and yelled at us about what we were doing...simply said "we are just going home" and that was the end of it.

Punching someone isn't even remotely a sane response to being followed/watched.  Now, nobody knows exactly what happened but assuming something similar people acting like Martin had a right to assault someone for following/watching him is rubbish.

Renevent42

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

I've been followed in my neighborhood when I was a teen (we were being loud and roaming around the neighborhood)...an older man followed us and yelled at us about what we were doing...simply said "we are just going home" and that was the end of it.

Punching someone isn't even remotely a sane response to being followed/watched.  Now, nobody knows exactly what happened but assuming something similar people acting like Martin had a right to assault someone for following/watching him is rubbish.

thebest31406

No, he was following us around making sure we weren't doing anything wrong, and then he approached us.

At any rate I don't think any of those tutorials (not that they have any authority anyways) mention per-emptively assaulting your follower anyways.

all this talk about "how Zimmerman could have prevented the confrontation", what about Martin?

Instead of turning around and saying "Excuse me sir, can I help you?" he decided to be immediately confrontational.  Both parties could have played their hands differently, that much is obvious, but lets hold both parties equally to blame for the events leading to the fight.

mrbojangles25

He wasnt immediately confrontational, when he noticed zimmerman following him, he tried to run away. At which point zimmerman chased him. We know this because of the 911 recording. Last time i checked running away from someone is the opposite of confrontational.

Thats all we know, as the only testimony we have of the actual fight is from zimmerman... which obviously has to be taken with a grain of salt.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="Renevent42"]

I've been followed in my neighborhood when I was a teen (we were being loud and roaming around the neighborhood)...an older man followed us and yelled at us about what we were doing...simply said "we are just going home" and that was the end of it.

Punching someone isn't even remotely a sane response to being followed/watched.  Now, nobody knows exactly what happened but assuming something similar people acting like Martin had a right to assault someone for following/watching him is rubbish.

Renevent42

No, he was following us around making sure we weren't doing anything wrong, and then he approached us.

At any rate I don't think any of those tutorials (not that they have any authority anyways) mention per-emptively assaulting your follower anyways.

for one there were several of you, if it was you alone at night... thats a much different scenario. People who kidnap/rob generally dont follow groups of people and im sure you had the safety in numbers peace of mind.

Being followed when you are by yourself is a much more terrifying scenario.

[QUOTE="Gargus"]

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

He still killed Trayvon Martin unnecesarily. He may have done it in self-defence, but it was a needless death. I'm glad he's still decent enough to help others.

NationProtector

But if tyrone was a white man or george was black youd never have heard about this and you wouldnt be posting that nonsense.

The only reason people hate him is because he was white and the other guy was black.

The picture in the article is pretty funny. I like how they tried to fatten up GZ so he looks as unthreatening as possible during the trial.

The picture in the article is pretty funny. I like how they tried to fatten up GZ so he looks as unthreatening as possible during the trial.

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="Renevent42"]

I've been followed in my neighborhood when I was a teen (we were being loud and roaming around the neighborhood)...an older man followed us and yelled at us about what we were doing...simply said "we are just going home" and that was the end of it.

Punching someone isn't even remotely a sane response to being followed/watched.  Now, nobody knows exactly what happened but assuming something similar people acting like Martin had a right to assault someone for following/watching him is rubbish.

Renevent42

No, he was following us around making sure we weren't doing anything wrong, and then he approached us.

At any rate I don't think any of those tutorials (not that they have any authority anyways) mention per-emptively assaulting your follower anyways.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

The picture in the article is pretty funny. I like how they tried to fatten up GZ so he looks as unthreatening as possible during the trial.

heeweesRus

Seems kinda nice timing since he just got not guilty and everyone hates him.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="thebest31406"] Sounds like the old man followed you with the intention of hailing you as oppose to simply "follow" you. There are a plethora of self-defense tutorials that give instructions on what to do when simply being followed simply because those who merely follow without attempting to hail are potentially dangerous and those who are being followed should suspect danger. BeardMaster

No, he was following us around making sure we weren't doing anything wrong, and then he approached us.

At any rate I don't think any of those tutorials (not that they have any authority anyways) mention per-emptively assaulting your follower anyways.

for one there were several of you, if it was you alone at night... thats a much different scenario. People who kidnap/rob generally dont follow groups of people and im sure you had the safety in numbers peace of mind.

Being followed when you are by yourself is a much more terrifying scenario.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="thebest31406"] Sounds like the old man followed you with the intention of hailing you as oppose to simply "follow" you. There are a plethora of self-defense tutorials that give instructions on what to do when simply being followed simply because those who merely follow without attempting to hail are potentially dangerous and those who are being followed should suspect danger. thebest31406

No, he was following us around making sure we weren't doing anything wrong, and then he approached us.

At any rate I don't think any of those tutorials (not that they have any authority anyways) mention per-emptively assaulting your follower anyways.

The picture in the article is pretty funny. I like how they tried to fatten up GZ so he looks as unthreatening as possible during the trial.

Aljosa23

I hear bullet proof vests add like 10 pounds. 

[QUOTE="NationProtector"][QUOTE="Gargus"]

 

But if tyrone was a white man or george was black youd never have heard about this and you wouldnt be posting that nonsense.

 

The only reason people hate him is because he was white and the other guy was black.

KHAndAnime

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

No, he was following us around making sure we weren't doing anything wrong, and then he approached us.

At any rate I don't think any of those tutorials (not that they have any authority anyways) mention per-emptively assaulting your follower anyways.

Renevent42

for one there were several of you, if it was you alone at night... thats a much different scenario. People who kidnap/rob generally dont follow groups of people and im sure you had the safety in numbers peace of mind.

Being followed when you are by yourself is a much more terrifying scenario.

Well I dont, as im a grown ass man. But i have this little thing called empathy that allows me to imagine myself in a scenario, not as me but as a 17 year old 150lb kid being chased around at night.

And i dont know if a kid running away and being chased by a grown man is a simple situation. Following a kid around in your car generally isnt normal, thats the #1 pasttime and pedophiles and kidnappers.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

 

for one there were several of you, if it was you alone at night... thats a much different scenario. People who kidnap/rob generally dont follow groups of people and im sure you had the safety in numbers peace of mind.

 

Being followed when you are by yourself is a much more terrifying scenario.

BeardMaster

Well I dont, as im a grown ass man. But i have this little thing called empathy that allows me to imagine myself in a scenario, not as me but as a 17 year old 150lb kid being chased around at night.

And i dont know if a kid running away and being chased by a grown man is a simple situation. Following a kid around in your car generally isnt normal, thats the #1 pasttime and pedophiles and kidnappers.

I guess I was just raised right though, maybe that's the difference.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="Renevent42"]

No, he was following us around making sure we weren't doing anything wrong, and then he approached us.

At any rate I don't think any of those tutorials (not that they have any authority anyways) mention per-emptively assaulting your follower anyways.

Renevent42

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="thebest31406"] I don't even pretend to know who struck who first simply because I wasn't there. Apparently you were.thebest31406

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="Renevent42"] Maybe try actually reading what people say before injecting your stupidity. "Punching someone isn't even remotely a sane response to being followed/watched. Now, nobody knows exactly what happened but assuming something similar people acting like Martin had a right to assault someone for following/watching him is rubbish." I mention EXPLICITLY that we don't know exactly what happened...my point was if the scenario was simply someone following/watching someone that's not a sane (or legal, for that matter) for assault. People are acting as if the fact GZ watched/followed him that's reason enough to attack. Maybe GZ grabbed martin, or hell, maybe he threw the first punch who know. One thing is for sure, the act of following and observing another person in your neighborhood doesn't warrant physical violence.Renevent42

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="thebest31406"] I'm not sure I agree with that. A person who decides to follow another without attempting to hail or contact should be considered a potential threat. How one reacts to that threat? How should one deal with a potential threat? How should a woman handle a situation like this? Or a child?thebest31406

I mean...is that even a serious question?  There's so many sane and reasonable responses that don't end with physical violence it's not even funny.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="Renevent42"] Like a normal human being? Being watched is hardly a threat.  Physical violence, on the other hand, is.

Renevent42

I mean...is that even a serious question?  There's so many sane and reasonable responses that don't end with physical violence it's not even funny.

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Jury found a reason....a legal reason. LJS9502_basic

Juries find legal reasons for f*cked up shit all the time. Doesn't change anything.

Of course he would have died. Travon wouldn't have stopped the assault till he was a bloody pulp.

*edit* and TM wouldn't have called the police or medical services afterwards either.

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"] Nah, I would have done the same thing...the fact you think these kinds of simple situations are so terrifying is ridiculous. Renevent42

Well I dont, as im a grown ass man. But i have this little thing called empathy that allows me to imagine myself in a scenario, not as me but as a 17 year old 150lb kid being chased around at night.

And i dont know if a kid running away and being chased by a grown man is a simple situation. Following a kid around in your car generally isnt normal, thats the #1 pasttime and pedophiles and kidnappers.

I guess I was just raised right though, maybe that's the difference.

again yu werent alone. but then again if you think you were capable of defending yourself at 13 and 135lbs against an adult that weighs 180 and has mma training like zimmerman, you might just be a little delusional in general.

i cant know for a fact that treyvon was terrified, but the fact that he tried to run away seems to suggest he was frightened.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

Juries find legal reasons for f*cked up shit all the time. Doesn't change anything.

slimjimbadboy

Of course he would have died. Travon wouldn't have stopped the assault till he was a bloody pulp.

*edit* and TM wouldn't have called the police or medical services afterwards either.

[QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Self defense is a very good reason....what would you have done in that situation I wonder? Died?Ace6301

Of course he would have died. Travon wouldn't have stopped the assault till he was a bloody pulp.

*edit* and TM wouldn't have called the police or medical services afterwards either.

you don't touch no one's skittles

If the car victims were black they'd be dead too...gago-gago

F*ck Zimmerman and all his neighborhood watch BS. Leave the law to the law, they botch it enough as is.

F*ck Zimmerman and all his neighborhood watch BS. Leave the law to the law, they botch it enough as is.

psn8214

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="thebest31406"] Okay. Again, how does a woman or a child handle this situation?thebest31406

I mean...is that even a serious question?  There's so many sane and reasonable responses that don't end with physical violence it's not even funny.

Uh, I listed at least 5 other reasonable actions that would be perfect for a woman and child to do. In fact, those were all the same kinds of responses that were listed on the guides posted.

In a nieghborhood at 7pm I also wouldn't really say simply asking "why are you following me" to difuse the situation would really be a bad move either for a woman or a teenager. 

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

 

Well I dont, as im a grown ass man. But i have this little thing called empathy that allows me to imagine myself in a scenario, not as me but as a 17 year old 150lb kid being chased around at night.

 

And i dont know if a kid running away and being chased by a grown man is a simple situation. Following a kid around in your car generally isnt normal, thats the #1 pasttime and pedophiles and kidnappers.

BeardMaster

I guess I was just raised right though, maybe that's the difference.

again yu werent alone. but then again if you think you were capable of defending yourself at 13 and 135lbs against an adult that weighs 180 and has mma training like zimmerman, you might just be a little delusional in general.

i cant know for a fact that treyvon was terrified, but the fact that he tried to run away seems to suggest he was frightened.

I guess you are just a very frightened human being...can't fault you on that I suppose but I just don't see someone following/observing me at 7pm as some terrifying event.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"]

Of course he would have died. Travon wouldn't have stopped the assault till he was a bloody pulp.

*edit* and TM wouldn't have called the police or medical services afterwards either.

wis3boi

you don't touch no one's skittles

Maybe a bit presumptuous but I get a kick outta the way some people go on. I mean it's not like after chasing down TM, Zimmer saw the skittles hiding in the bushes and went full windmill mode, yelling anti semitic quotes, flashing his gun and running in for the rainbow.