Give me proof that God is real

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#451 iwokojance
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I've heard people say "God is all around us. You just have to open your eyes" or something like that.

But I want PROOF. Give me proof that this 'god' figure is real and not just an figment of your imagination.

Hinata237

:D Proof:

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#452 swizz-the-gamer
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I'm going to bed.
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#453 CptJSparrow
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I'm going to bed.swizz-the-gamer
Quite late for an Englishman. >.>
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#454 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"] If God did stuff like that often then yeah, I would say that the Resurrection is more likely. But in this one particular instance you base your faith upon because it seems the best explanation.
CptJSparrow
And it is an explanation that we do not know to be possible.

its possible if the existence of the supernatural is possible.

Deliberate misreading of my post: we do not know it to be possible.

no, you said that we dont know if the resurrection is possible. However, I am making a case for the possibility of the resurrection because if it is possible that there is such thing as the supernatural, then its possible that the resurrection could have occured.
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#455 notconspiracy
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I'm going to bed.swizz-the-gamer
twas a fun discussion

later

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#456 CptJSparrow
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no, you said that we dont know if the resurrection is possible. However, I am making a case for the possibility of the resurrection because if it is possible that there is such thing as the supernatural, then its possible that the resurrection could have occured. notconspiracy
We do not know if the resurrection is possible because we do not know if the supernatural exists.
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#457 MindFreeze
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[QUOTE="Hinata237"]

I've heard people say "God is all around us. You just have to open your eyes" or something like that.

But I want PROOF. Give me proof that this 'god' figure is real and not just an figment of your imagination.

iwokojance

:D Proof:

Make up and photoshop is proof of god?:P

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#458 swizz-the-gamer
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[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]I'm going to bed.CptJSparrow
Quite late for an Englishman. >.>

Yep pretty much :D. I've been at this thread for like an hour and a half and i've realised that the guy who i'm arguing with has very illogical and undeveloped opinions and i'm also tired and i've eaten like 300 Easter eggs and I feel ill.
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#459 swizz-the-gamer
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[QUOTE="iwokojance"][QUOTE="Hinata237"]

I've heard people say "God is all around us. You just have to open your eyes" or something like that.

But I want PROOF. Give me proof that this 'god' figure is real and not just an figment of your imagination.

MindFreeze

:D Proof:

Make up and photoshop is proof of god?:P

I was just going to say that exact message.
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#460 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"] no, you said that we dont know if the resurrection is possible. However, I am making a case for the possibility of the resurrection because if it is possible that there is such thing as the supernatural, then its possible that the resurrection could have occured. CptJSparrow
We do not know if the resurrection is possible because we do not know if the supernatural exists.

we do know that it is possible that the supernatural exists.
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#461 FamiBox
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(facepalm) ...

.... why.... why are people so deluded........ whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

(sigh) .............. I just don't get it.

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#462 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"] no, you said that we dont know if the resurrection is possible. However, I am making a case for the possibility of the resurrection because if it is possible that there is such thing as the supernatural, then its possible that the resurrection could have occured. notconspiracy
We do not know if the resurrection is possible because we do not know if the supernatural exists.

we do know that it is possible that the supernatural exists.

It is possible that I am in the Matrix, but it is not reasonable to believe that I am in the Matrix because we do not know that it exists; it is possible that we are in a world in which the supernatural explanation is the true explanation, but it is not reasonable to believe it because we do not know if the supernatural exists and therefore we do not know it to be possible. Clearly you can stretch the boundaries of suitable criteria for being possible to the extent where all is possible, but that is not the same thing as saying that something is possible based on what we know -- based on what we know, it is not possible for someone to return from the dead. Yours is an untenable conjecture, just as the pretentious nonsense of absolute morality is untenable.
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#463 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"] no, you said that we dont know if the resurrection is possible. However, I am making a case for the possibility of the resurrection because if it is possible that there is such thing as the supernatural, then its possible that the resurrection could have occured. CptJSparrow
We do not know if the resurrection is possible because we do not know if the supernatural exists.

we do know that it is possible that the supernatural exists.

It is possible that I am in the Matrix, but it is not reasonable to believe that I am in the Matrix because we do not know that it exists; it is possible that we are in a world in which the supernatural explanation is the true explanation, but it is not reasonable to believe it because we do not know if the supernatural exists and therefore we do not know it to be possible. Clearly you can stretch the boundaries of suitable criteria for being possible to the extent where all is possible, but that is not the same thing as saying that something is possible based on what we know -- based on what we know, it is not possible for someone to return from the dead. Yours is an untenable conjecture, just as the pretentious nonsense of absolute morality is untenable.

*sigh* Cpt, the best explanation for the set of data is the resurrection. There is a set of data do you need me to re-articulate this set of data to you? the best explanation for ALL the data is the resurrection of Jesus. Therefore it is probable that the resurrection happened and therefore supernatural entities exist.
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#464 notconspiracy
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does anyone else find it noteworthy that TC has not actually posted in this thread?

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#465 CptJSparrow
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*sigh* Cpt, the best explanation for the set of data is the resurrection. There is a set of data do you need me to re-articulate this set of data to you? the best explanation for ALL the data is the resurrection of Jesus. Therefore it is probable that the resurrection happened and therefore supernatural entities exist.notconspiracy
Logical fallacy of "this, therefore that." Evolution does not satisfy all the data in the eyes of some, therefore creationism, this idea with absolutely no empirical evidence to support its accuracy, is indeed the best explanation. This explanation of yours is a sacrificio dell' intelletto.
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#466 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"]*sigh* Cpt, the best explanation for the set of data is the resurrection. There is a set of data do you need me to re-articulate this set of data to you? the best explanation for ALL the data is the resurrection of Jesus. Therefore it is probable that the resurrection happened and therefore supernatural entities exist.CptJSparrow
Logical fallacy of "this, therefore that." Evolution does not satisfy all the data in the eyes of some, therefore creationism, this idea with absolutely no empirical evidence to support its accuracy, is indeed the best explanation. This explanation of yours is a sacrificio dell' intelletto.

true, but I actually made a CASE for the resurrection. I explained why the resurrection is best because it explains all the data.
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#467 sheeprcute
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[QUOTE="sheeprcute"]

For starters Carbon 14 has a existence of 11,000 years.

Scientists can test the age of things by testing how much Carbon 14 is on there.

Objects that evolutionists claim to be millions of years old have carbon 14 integrated into them.

Thats just one of the simpler things that disproves evolution

CptJSparrow

Clearly that is not the only form of radiometric dating.

The other one is potassium 14 which has a shelf life of 40,000 years still not a million years

Read what i wrote closer

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#468 ElArab
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*skims quickly through the thread* Alright, I've figured out what's going on.

Hi, I would like to make a thread with a little circle that is on fire next to it, and more than 200 posts, so that I can stroke my ego and e-penis - also, it would be nice if everyone could act like they are right, and know everything, and use old and tired arguments over and over, because c'mon, I'm asking this question on a freaking internet forum, like anyone is gonna really know what they are talking about, or make any impact on anyone elses beliefs/faith/views.

-Thank you for your help, OT needs more threads like these.

Hinata237

[spoiler] This is not intended to offend anyone, even you TC, it's just an attempt at bieng funny...y'know..to stroke my ego. [/spoiler]

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#469 C_Town_Soul
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"]

For starters Carbon 14 has a existence of 11,000 years.

Scientists can test the age of things by testing how much Carbon 14 is on there.

Objects that evolutionists claim to be millions of years old have carbon 14 integrated into them.

Thats just one of the simpler things that disproves evolution

sheeprcute

Clearly that is not the only form of radiometric dating.

The other one is potassium 14 which has a shelf life of 40,000 years still not a million years

Read what i wrote closer

Uranium-uranium dating half-life is 4.5 billion years

Uranium-Lead is 1 million - 4.5 billion

There are even more here

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#470 Somniance
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[QUOTE="luke1889"]

I am sorry. I do not understand this in the slightest. What kind of zany rebuttal is this? Our own existence is evidence of our own existence. :|

I cannot fathom your thinking behind this.

CptJSparrow

You sound disingenuous to me. How is our existence evidence of our existence when we do not know that the other person truly exists? When you are dreaming, you generally believe that the dream is real -- until you awake, when you can compare the unconscious world to the conscious world -- but what if the "conscious" world is also an illusion? What if you never woke up from your dream? How then would you be able to discern the difference between the dream world and the real world, when you generally can only infer that you had a dream after you wake up?

==This is a theory that is already widely speculated.

The real answer is that no, you cannot tell whether anything exists. The only thing that one can truly affirm is their own existence. The surroundings around us are "real" because they are existent in a scientifically observable sense. Evidence of the real can be witnessed, can be studied. I cannot prove without a doubt that I exist to you, but that is not to say that I do not exist, or that it is likely that I do not exist. There is evidence that intimates I exist.

If a world appears real, and it follows all of the laws of the real world, then at least for the individual, it is real, dream or not. However, actual reality (that is, the physical reality that surrounds us) is cold to the individual. Whether or not this world is indeed a dream, it doesn't care about one's beliefs. It's a damn good illusion if it is one, I can say that right now.

Anyways, I feel like jumping in this conversation concerning God, and since I'd rather start here, allow me to say that I am an atheist and find the idea of a God to be illogical. Why, then, is belief in God proper, or needed, as many would have me think?

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#471 SkyFlakez
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the proof is all things around us...
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#472 swizz-the-gamer
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the proof is all things around us... SkyFlakez
No thats not true. That's called nature.
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#473 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"]

For starters Carbon 14 has a existence of 11,000 years.

Scientists can test the age of things by testing how much Carbon 14 is on there.

Objects that evolutionists claim to be millions of years old have carbon 14 integrated into them.

Thats just one of the simpler things that disproves evolution

sheeprcute

Clearly that is not the only form of radiometric dating.

The other one is potassium 14 which has a shelf life of 40,000 years still not a million years

Read what i wrote closer

uhh, sheep? potassium has a half-life of 1.86 billion years. Uranium 238 has a half life of 4.5 billion years. Rubidium has a half life of 49 billion years.
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#474 rockguy92
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Disprove.
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#475 Somniance
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the proof is all things around us... SkyFlakez

==Why must this be taken as proof of God?

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#476 OPRFWrestler112
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I've heard people say "God is all around us. You just have to open your eyes" or something like that.

But I want PROOF. Give me proof that this 'god' figure is real and not just an figment of your imagination.

Hinata237

Duck-billed platypus.

/thread

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[QUOTE="Hinata237"]

I've heard people say "God is all around us. You just have to open your eyes" or something like that.

But I want PROOF. Give me proof that this 'god' figure is real and not just an figment of your imagination.

OPRFWrestler112

Duck-billed platypus.

/thread

God has a sense of humor :P
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[QUOTE="OPRFWrestler112"][QUOTE="Hinata237"]

I've heard people say "God is all around us. You just have to open your eyes" or something like that.

But I want PROOF. Give me proof that this 'god' figure is real and not just an figment of your imagination.

blooddemon666

Duck-billed platypus.

/thread

God has a sense of humor :P

They're cute. But really really scary.
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#479 Somniance
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[QUOTE="Hinata237"]

I've heard people say "God is all around us. You just have to open your eyes" or something like that.

But I want PROOF. Give me proof that this 'god' figure is real and not just an figment of your imagination.

OPRFWrestler112

Duck-billed platypus.

/thread

=='Fraid not, Chuckles.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/platypus.html

Read and learn, Grasshopper.

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I've heard people say "God is all around us. You just have to open your eyes" or something like that.

But I want PROOF. Give me proof that this 'god' figure is real and not just an figment of your imagination.

Hinata237
here's some proof. every year they find an artifact that belonged to jesus christ. here's proof ---> the unexplained miracles that happen in people's lives coincidence=luck god is neither coicidence nor luck, he is reality. have you every heard of this phrease SEEING IS BELIEVING? let me tell you something, people in this world even after they see it withj their own eyes they are still skeptical. belive people. believe, he is real. thinking that death is the end of your life is absolutely ignorant
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#481 Kcube
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[QUOTE="blooddemon666"][QUOTE="OPRFWrestler112"][QUOTE="Hinata237"]

I've heard people say "God is all around us. You just have to open your eyes" or something like that.

But I want PROOF. Give me proof that this 'god' figure is real and not just an figment of your imagination.

wemhim

Duck-billed platypus.

/thread

God has a sense of humor :P

They're cute. But really really scary.

I wouldnt want to get stung by one.
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#482 TheSystemLord1
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All I know is that the TC is the kind of person who cuts themselves and then posts it on an internet forum to gain attention. Therefore, asking about God in an attempt to gain MORE attention isn't so far out of her realm.

I won't touch the question of whether or not God is real, I know what I believe and that works for me.

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#483 LexLas
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I've heard people say "God is all around us. You just have to open your eyes" or something like that.

But I want PROOF. Give me proof that this 'god' figure is real and not just an figment of your imagination.

Hinata237
A long time ago when i was a kid there was this commercial that said believe in God, Climb the highest mountain and let your self go just throw yourself off the mountain and he will catch you. So why don't u just go try it and then you will know.
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#484 EVOLV3
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Prove he isnt.
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#485 OnStar47
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with proof there is no faith...

and thats what its all about...having faith

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#487 Thiago26792
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There is no proof, that's why it's called faith in God.
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#488 OnStar47
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Prove he isnt.EVOLV3

another very good point

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#489 Tykain
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God is nothing but the imagination of some people that have to have an answer to questions that cannot be answered such as what happens when we die. Creating an imaginary God makes people feel more secure about such things and their purpose in life.

Also religions were first invented for simple minded people to fear doing "evil" things, and in the end it ended up doing more harms than goods, giving people all kind of reasons for wars throughout human history.

Believing in god is like believing in Santa, i'm sorry if this is offensive to some people, but that is what i think. People are free to believe in god or whatever they like, but to me all that is non sense and there are people that are sent to psychiatric hospitals for less than that.

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#490 Zaeryn
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This is STILL going on? There is no proof. It's as simple as that. Seriously.

/thread

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[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]Prove he isnt.OnStar47

another very good point

I think a better point to prove is if god exists, how does one know that this being cares or even realizes we exist? Because when you think about it, we are on one small planet amongst a unfathomable amount out there. Why are we some how the beings "special" children.. To me this seems just like the insecurity of man, through out time. We had this exact same rationale back when racisim was still a issue and that white/black/etc etc tot eh coresponding religion for the most part were gods chosen... (clearification on racism.. The racisim pertaining to the dark ages and earlier times.)

Also another interesting point, is who here thinks living for a eternity in your current state of consciousness and memory would be more of a curse then a blessing.. Sure it may be cool for alittle while.. But after ten thousand years? A million years? Does that same task of enjoyment or learning show as much meaning and importance when you realize you hae eternity to do it?

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#492 Boostinsane
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Give me proof he isn't.

I'm not religious, but you can argue either way.

Samwel_X

i agree.

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#493 OnStar47
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now i realize that most of gamers out there dont believe in god and this makes me a little sad...:(

by the way...evolution isnt real...darwin himself didnt beleive it to be true either before he died...

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#494 Zaeryn
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now i realize that most of gamers out there dont believe in god and this makes me a little sad...:(

by the way...evolution isnt real...darwin himself didnt beleive it to be true either before he died...

OnStar47
Just seems like the newer generation of people aren't as religious as they were, say, 50 or 100 years ago even. I was, but stopped for certain reasons.
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#495 MindFreeze
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now i realize that most of gamers out there dont believe in god and this makes me a little sad...:(

by the way...evolution isnt real...darwin himself didnt beleive it to be true either before he died...

OnStar47

I sincerely hope that was a joke?

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#496 Somniance
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Prove he isnt.EVOLV3

==It's not the skeptic's job to prove something, it is the one making the outrageous claims that God exists. Anyways, you cannot prove there is no God. That's impossible, God is an unfalsifiable being. No evidence can ever come forth that proves him non-existent.

This does not make it logical to believe in God, however. In the same sense that you cannot prove God does not exist, you cannot prove that dragons do not exist, nor leprechauns, nor the Loch Ness Monster. You also cannot prove that I am not God, or anyone of us here.

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#497 Somniance
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now i realize that most of gamers out there dont believe in god and this makes me a little sad...:(

by the way...evolution isnt real...darwin himself didnt beleive it to be true either before he died...

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==That story is unfounded and bathed in illogic.

And how in the world would this render evolution false? That's idiotic. Please present evidence that Evolution, off which a huge load of our scientific knowledge is based, is totally false. Go right ahead, this will be amusing.

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#498 Sage320
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im not gonna try to prove it. I just wanted to be part of this topic before it becomes 500 posts!
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#499 Forerunner-117
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Give me proof He isn't.

You see what I did there?

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#500 Sage320
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im not gonna try to prove it. I just wanted to be part of this topic before it becomes 500 posts!