Give me proof that God is real

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Tell me why divine intervention is the best explanation.
notconspiracy

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Tell me why divine intervention is the best explanation.
swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]perhaps because the other explanations that involve the supernatural aren't necessarily the best explanations?swizz-the-gamer

well if we have multiple independent attestation this begs the question

what is the best explanation?

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]perhaps because the other explanations that involve the supernatural aren't necessarily the best explanations?notconspiracy

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Tell me why divine intervention is the best explanation.
swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Tell me why divine intervention is the best explanation.
swizz-the-gamer

It's one of the many logical explanations though. God is not a logical explanation for it.
swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]perhaps because the other explanations that involve the supernatural aren't necessarily the best explanations?notconspiracy

well if we have multiple independent attestation this begs the question

what is the best explanation?

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]perhaps because the other explanations that involve the supernatural aren't necessarily the best explanations?CptJSparrow

In the crown of most haunted live like 10 of them said they saw a ghost. 10 people=truth.
swizz-the-gamer

Well, beer is proof that God loves us, so if he loves us, he must be real. So, beer is indeed proof off God!

Thanks Ben Franklin!

well then it should be easy to produce an example of a supernatural event with multiple independent attestation. then we have to ask is the supernatural the best explanation in this particular examplenotconspiracy

[QUOTE="espoac"]If there was proof of God than why is their such a emphasis put on faith in Christianity and so many other religions? Blind faith is a fundamental component of most theistic philosophies. Therefore, any theist who tries to offer proof of God or any non-theist who asks for proof must be seriously confused. notconspiracy

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"] It's one of the many logical explanations though. God is not a logical explanation for it.
CptJSparrow

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]perhaps because the other explanations that involve the supernatural aren't necessarily the best explanations?swizz-the-gamer

well if we have multiple independent attestation this begs the question

what is the best explanation?

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]In the crown of most haunted live like 10 of them said they saw a ghost. 10 people=truth.
blackngold29

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"]well then it should be easy to produce an example of a supernatural event with multiple independent attestation. then we have to ask is the supernatural the best explanation in this particular exampleCptJSparrow

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"] It's one of the many logical explanations though. God is not a logical explanation for it.
swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]perhaps because the other explanations that involve the supernatural aren't necessarily the best explanations?notconspiracy

well if we have multiple independent attestation this begs the question

what is the best explanation?

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]perhaps because the other explanations that involve the supernatural aren't necessarily the best explanations?swizz-the-gamer

well if we have multiple independent attestation this begs the question

what is the best explanation?

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"] It's one of the many logical explanations though. God is not a logical explanation for it.
notconspiracy

Btw switch around what I said in that post.

Wait why the hell would you assume that! It could have also been a ghost. Why is it more logical that they where hallucinating?
swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"] It's one of the many logical explanations though. God is not a logical explanation for it.
swizz-the-gamer

Btw switch around what I said in that post.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]perhaps because the other explanations that involve the supernatural aren't necessarily the best explanations?notconspiracy

well if we have multiple independent attestation this begs the question

what is the best explanation?

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="Taiko88"][QUOTE="Samwel_X"]

Give me proof he isn't.

I'm not religious, but you can argue either way.

sheeprcute

Well religion is the one trying to impose on us that it exists, therefore they should try to prove to us that it exists, not the other way around. So for anyone using that justification of "Give me proof he isn't", makes no sense.

hey next time why dont you attack someone who is still in this discussion

Anyways evolution is what needs to be proven. I through out facts and evidence. You know what happens? You guys say its not convincing enough. Then you turn around and say there is no proof.

Evolution is the one that has evidence that contradicts it.

Go on...

For starters Carbon 14 has a existence of 11,000 years.

Scientists can test the age of things by testing how much Carbon 14 is on there.

Objects that evolutionists claim to be millions of years old have carbon 14 integrated into them.

Thats just one of the simpler things that disproves evolution

First, Carbon 14 does not have an existence of 11,000 years. It has a halflife of 5700 years, which does not mean in twice that it will be gone.

Second, Carbon 14 is NOT used to date things that old.

It does not in any way disprove evolution, read up on half lives and the methods that ARE used to date things that old.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]well then it should be easy to produce an example of a supernatural event with multiple independent attestation. then we have to ask is the supernatural the best explanation in this particular examplenotconspiracy

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"] It's one of the many logical explanations though. God is not a logical explanation for it.
notconspiracy

Btw switch around what I said in that post.

i have one, plus very easy to do:

go to your local supermarket, and get peanut butter can, now make sure its tightly closed and that it wasn't opened.
buy it
open it at home
do you see any life forms in there? like a dog or a shark?
if not, it means that the evolution theory is wrong, meaning that someone created everything, meaning that god exist.

2nd proof:
its says so in the bible, never mind that you first need to believe in god in order to validate the bible...

3rd proof:
so many people believe in god, they can't be wrong

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]perhaps because the other explanations that involve the supernatural aren't necessarily the best explanations?swizz-the-gamer

well if we have multiple independent attestation this begs the question

what is the best explanation?

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]perhaps because the other explanations that involve the supernatural aren't necessarily the best explanations?notconspiracy

well if we have multiple independent attestation this begs the question

what is the best explanation?

For starters Carbon 14 has a existence of 11,000 years.

Scientists can test the age of things by testing how much Carbon 14 is on there.

Objects that evolutionists claim to be millions of years old have carbon 14 integrated into them.

Thats just one of the simpler things that disproves evolution

sheeprcute

[QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="Taiko88"][QUOTE="Samwel_X"]

Give me proof he isn't.

I'm not religious, but you can argue either way.

MindFreeze

Well religion is the one trying to impose on us that it exists, therefore they should try to prove to us that it exists, not the other way around. So for anyone using that justification of "Give me proof he isn't", makes no sense.

hey next time why dont you attack someone who is still in this discussion

Anyways evolution is what needs to be proven. I through out facts and evidence. You know what happens? You guys say its not convincing enough. Then you turn around and say there is no proof.

Evolution is the one that has evidence that contradicts it.

Go on...

For starters Carbon 14 has a existence of 11,000 years.

Scientists can test the age of things by testing how much Carbon 14 is on there.

Objects that evolutionists claim to be millions of years old have carbon 14 integrated into them.

Thats just one of the simpler things that disproves evolution

First, Carbon 14 does not have an existence of 11,000 years. It has a halflife of 5700 years, which does not mean in twice that it will be gone.

Second, Carbon 14 is NOT used to date things that old.

It does not in any way disprove evolution, read up on half lives and the methods that ARE used to date things that old.

i have one, plus very easy to do:

go to your local supermarket, and get peanut butter can, now make sure its tightly closed and that it wasn't opened.
buy it
open it at home
do you see any life forms in there? like a dog or a shark?
if not, it means that the evolution theory is wrong, meaning that someone created everything, meaning that god exist.

2nd proof:
its says so in the bible, never mind that you first need to believe in god in order to validate the bible...

3rd proof:
so many people believe in god, they can't be wrong

foggy666

:) That video was awesome

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]perhaps because the other explanations that involve the supernatural aren't necessarily the best explanations?swizz-the-gamer

well if we have multiple independent attestation this begs the question

what is the best explanation?

and do you want proof that they believed they saw the risen jesus? how about the fact that they were ****ing MARTYRED!?

Life is not a dream. Dreams are dreams. Thus, when we are not dreaming, we are in reality...reality as defined by us. When in reality, our own existaece is proof of our own existence.

Tell me, are you always this awkward? I'm beginning to think you are.

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not quite. life is a dream. life appears to be reality, much like in a dream a dream appears to be reality. when your life is no more, you will wake up.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]perhaps because the other explanations that involve the supernatural aren't necessarily the best explanations?notconspiracy

well if we have multiple independent attestation this begs the question

what is the best explanation?

and do you want proof that they believed they saw the risen jesus? how about the fact that they were ****ing MARTYRED!?

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]perhaps because the other explanations that involve the supernatural aren't necessarily the best explanations?swizz-the-gamer

well if we have multiple independent attestation this begs the question

what is the best explanation?

and do you want proof that they believed they saw the risen jesus? how about the fact that they were ****ing MARTYRED!?

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]perhaps because the other explanations that involve the supernatural aren't necessarily the best explanations?notconspiracy

well if we have multiple independent attestation this begs the question

what is the best explanation?

and do you want proof that they believed they saw the risen jesus? how about the fact that they were ****ing MARTYRED!?

[QUOTE="Hinata237"]

I've heard people say "God is all around us. You just have to open your eyes" or something like that.

But I want PROOF. Give me proof that this 'god' figure is real and not just an figment of your imagination.

cryptosopoidium

Can you give me proof that he isn't?

Thought so.

That doesn't make saying he Does exist any more true. We are all just making a guess in the end.

I am sorry. I do not understand this in the slightest. What kind of zany rebuttal is this? Our own existence is evidence of our own existence. :|

I cannot fathom your thinking behind this.

luke1889

If God did stuff like that often then yeah, I would say that the Resurrection is more likely. But in this one particular instance you base your faith upon because it seems the best explanation.
swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]perhaps because the other explanations that involve the supernatural aren't necessarily the best explanations?swizz-the-gamer

well if we have multiple independent attestation this begs the question

what is the best explanation?

and do you want proof that they believed they saw the risen jesus? how about the fact that they were ****ing MARTYRED!?

Okay maybe someone took the body out of the tomb and then dressed up as Jesus and everyone believed the guy. Seems a bit silly but not half as silly as god doing it.
swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"] If God did stuff like that often then yeah, I would say that the Resurrection is more likely. But in this one particular instance you base your faith upon because it seems the best explanation.
CptJSparrow

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]perhaps because the other explanations that involve the supernatural aren't necessarily the best explanations?notconspiracy

well if we have multiple independent attestation this begs the question

what is the best explanation?

and do you want proof that they believed they saw the risen jesus? how about the fact that they were ****ing MARTYRED!?

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]perhaps because the other explanations that involve the supernatural aren't necessarily the best explanations?swizz-the-gamer

well if we have multiple independent attestation this begs the question

what is the best explanation?

and do you want proof that they believed they saw the risen jesus? how about the fact that they were ****ing MARTYRED!?

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"] If God did stuff like that often then yeah, I would say that the Resurrection is more likely. But in this one particular instance you base your faith upon because it seems the best explanation.
notconspiracy

[QUOTE="Hinata237"]

I've heard people say "God is all around us. You just have to open your eyes" or something like that.

But I want PROOF. Give me proof that this 'god' figure is real and not just an figment of your imagination.

cryptosopoidium

Can you give me proof that he isn't?

Thought so.

so basically you believe in god because you can't disprove his existence? proof me that we should not listen to an invisible 5 legged horse that wants all of us to dance tango with a dog, and burn our underwear daily. would you do it if a book was written claiming to be written by this horse?

Thought so.