GOD-Who created GOD?

I did!!!

My original argument was about whether or not something can come from nothing. I provided you with evidence to suggest that some cosmologists believe that something can in fact come from nothing. I also showed you that there is no empirical basis for the claim that something cannot come from nothing. I'm not really interested in talking about whether or not the earth was created for a purpose, it's irrelevent to what we were orginally discussing.Decessus

It still doesn't make sense that something, even if it's the universe, would come from nothing, no source, whatsoever.

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="Decessus"]No, considering how much cell replication happens. It's remarkably accurate. There might be alterations but they still replicate the way they should.Revinh

Feel free to look at the numbers yourself here. As it states, the average human zygote has about 64 mutations.

And yet, like I said in the other thread, even though it may not be perfect, "pigs remain pigs and oak trees remain oak trees generation after generations." And the change (which is the point) goes toward degeneration.

Speciation has been observed in both nature and in the laboratory, so you're incorrect. Given enough time and the right environment a pig will not remain a pig and an oak tree will not remain an oak tree.

After several decades of fruit fly experiments and billions of mutations, what was the result? Fruit flies.

The other point you make, that mutations go towards degeneration I don't really understand. What do you mean by degeneration?Decessus

I mean mutations almost always has damaging effects or a form of degeneration.

Please explain an actual event where energy is created with out matter.. Please point it out.sSubZerOo

As I said before, energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

A zygote is more complex than a fully grown human? tsk!

You throw in thermodymanics as if it adds something to your argument, without explaining why, or why you believe in this law.

Not really the idea, as it breaks your concept?

Its exactly the point! The point you asserted incorrectly and I have proved wrong from many angles.

I depends on how you describe the term "complex". It is possible. RationalAtheist

Ok, let's try this again: a zygote is a lot more complex than the individual cells of organs, bones and limbs.

Yeah, I threw it in...thinking you'd get the comparison :roll:

The 2nd law is that everything tends to die away in the same way that copies become poorer. You can't create something more complex than you. It's complex-to-simple. In the xerox copies example, a copy cannot be better than the previous one, it always gets worse and you literally put "complex" to mean worsening. I was giving an ANALOGY.

No arm parent gives birth to normal baby - That's a funny description of "complex." It's bodily system is the same as the parent. It's not like all the parent's ancestors didn't have limbs and it's not like there's a progression of additions of limbs.

How does it break my concept if it's not the idea? How are you proving me wrong when you're not even on the same page?

Why would you think that it's more logical for something as simple as the universe to be eternal than God, anyway? For something to be always existing obviously must be extremely complex.

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

A zygote is more complex than a fully grown human? tsk!

You throw in thermodymanics as if it adds something to your argument, without explaining why, or why you believe in this law.

Not really the idea, as it breaks your concept?

Its exactly the point! The point you asserted incorrectly and I have proved wrong from many angles.

I depends on how you describe the term "complex". It is possible. Revinh

Ok, let's try this again: a zygote is a lot more complex than the individual cells of organs, bones and limbs.

Yeah, I threw it in...thinking you'd get the comparison :roll:

The 2nd law is that everything tends to die away in the same way that copies become poorer. You can't create something more complex than you. It's complex-to-simple. In the xerox copies example, a copy cannot be better than the previous one, it always gets worse and you literally put "complex" to mean worsening. I was giving an ANALOGY.

No arm parent gives birth to normal baby - That's a funny description of "complex." It's bodily system is the same as the parent. It's not like all the parent's ancestors didn't have limbs and it's not like there's a progression of additions of limbs.

How does it break my concept if it's not the idea? How are you proving me wrong when you're not even on the same page?

Why would you think that it's more logical for something as simple as the universe to be eternal than God, anyway? For something to be always existing obviously must be extremely complex.

second law of thermodynamics is nothing to do with complexity of anything. laws of thermodynamics describe the movement and nature of energy, specifically heat.

law number one- energy is conserved. always.

law number two- (a bit more difficult to put in dummy terms but here you are) due to entropy, you cannot make something hot using something colder than itsself

law number three- matter cannot reach absolute zero temperature.

absolutely nothing to do with evolution. nothing at all. not a thing. so stop using pretend science to back up your ridiculous claims. thanks :)

second law of thermodynamics is nothing to do with complexity of anything. laws of thermodynamics describe the movement and nature of energy, specifically heat.

law number one- energy is conserved. always.

law number two- (a bit more difficult to put in dummy terms but here you are) due to entropy, you cannot make something hot using something colder than itsself

law number three- matter cannot reach absolute zero temperature.

absolutely nothing to do with evolution. nothing at all. not a thing. so stop using pretend science to back up your ridiculous claims. thanks :)Mr_sprinkles

law number four: quit jumping on other people's conversation without knowing exactly what they're talking about. thanks :)

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]second law of thermodynamics is nothing to do with complexity of anything. laws of thermodynamics describe the movement and nature of energy, specifically heat.

law number one- energy is conserved. always.

law number two- (a bit more difficult to put in dummy terms but here you are) due to entropy, you cannot make something hot using something colder than itsself

law number three- matter cannot reach absolute zero temperature.

absolutely nothing to do with evolution. nothing at all. not a thing. so stop using pretend science to back up your ridiculous claims. thanks :)Revinh

law number four: quit jumping on other people's conversation without knowing exactly what they're talking about. thanks :)

^ you can't prove anything wrong if you don't know what the people are talking about.

no wait, no you're not. oops. thats the other thread. sorry :(

point still stands though. thermodynamics is a matter of physics not biology.

thermodynamics is a matter of physics not biology

So? I never said it's not.

thermodynamics is a matter of physics not biology

So? I never said it's not.

Revinh

so thermodynamics has no part to play in the proof or un-proof of evolution or reproduction or whatever the hell it is you're talking about. it's a set of mathematical rules that describe the movement of energy.

If you believe in the all-knowing and all-powerful, you'd accept the concept of his infinite nature (i.e. no beginning and no end).

Oleg_Huzwog

Exactly

I'll tell you the same thing JustPlainLucas told us before.

God is a danish.

A danish someone brought in and left on the table in the office breakroom.

No one knows how it got there, no one dares to eat it.

The danish just exists.

God has always existed.

God has always existed.

-TheSecondSign-

The human mind created the idea of "god"smcg69

Exactly, God is just a concept conjured up by people who needed a greater reason for existance.

God was never created, He has been around forever. Remember, before he created the universe there was no time or space. It's confusing, but that's the best answer I can give. No one really knows.mohfrontline

Your saying that as if it's some sort of fact, it kind of annoys me by you saying "he has been around forever" because the chances are God doesn't exist, in my opinion.

[QUOTE="Revinh"]

thermodynamics is a matter of physics not biology

So? I never said it's not.Mr_sprinkles

so thermodynamics has no part to play in the proof or un-proof of evolution or reproduction or whatever the hell it is you're talking about. it's a set of mathematical rules that describe the movement of energy.

IF YOU ACTUALLY READ AND FOLLOW WHAT IT'S ABOUT YOU'D LEARN I WAS GIVING A COMPARISON OR AN ANALOGY.

The human mind created the idea of "god"smcg69

thats exactly what i said above! see, im not the only one.

People who believe in God really annoy me, I'm not sure why, they just do. They just make my blood boil when they go on about God being eternal or "the creator", it's just so ridiculous.

I only have sympathy with ancientcivilszations who believe in God because they had no other explanation for things like volcanoes erupting. But now we know the the science behind such things, anyone who blames natural catastrophes on God would be called a moron. Once we know the science behind things like death (if we ever will) then no one will believe in a heaven. That's my prediction anyway...

Man created god when man couldnt figure out what caused the big bang. So by logic, The Big Bang created god.

was this thread really necessary to dig up and bump??? i think notg-unit248

Was this post necessary at all? Dont' post if you don't want to, simple.

the answer is

THAT"S NONE OF UR BUSINESS!!

all that u need to know is the universe and u were created by a creator who u should obey!

plus, ur mind can't handle it, u said it urself

just think of it as , what's before -5? -6 , and what's before all that -100000000000000000 not enough there're more numbers before it...

Man created god when man couldnt figure out what caused the big bang. So by logic, The Big Bang created god.

plague32390

"EVEN IF YOUR AETHEST JUST THINK OTHERWISE FOR A SEC"

m religious BUT HOW!! HOW DID THE CREATOR BECOME?there was nothing then poof =GOD?? my head is seriously hrting thinking about it?!1 arghhhhh

kirk4ever

[QUOTE="plague32390"]

Man created god when man couldnt figure out what caused the big bang. So by logic, The Big Bang created god.

-Gray_Fox-

a priest actually came up with the theory, ironic huh?

[QUOTE="kirk4ever"]

"EVEN IF YOUR AETHEST JUST THINK OTHERWISE FOR A SEC"

m religious BUT HOW!! HOW DID THE CREATOR BECOME?there was nothing then poof =GOD?? my head is seriously hrting thinking about it?!1 arghhhhh

Amarant15

but some ppl have bone heads and don't get it...lol

[QUOTE="plague32390"]

Man created god when man couldnt figure out what caused the big bang. So by logic, The Big Bang created god.

-Gray_Fox-

Before the big bang, it's likely there was a "big crunch" which ended the last universe. If gravity is strong enough all matter in the universe will be pulled back into another "big crunch" if not the universe will keep expanding, creating a "flat universe".

[QUOTE="Amarant15"][QUOTE="kirk4ever"]

"EVEN IF YOUR AETHEST JUST THINK OTHERWISE FOR A SEC"

m religious BUT HOW!! HOW DID THE CREATOR BECOME?there was nothing then poof =GOD?? my head is seriously hrting thinking about it?!1 arghhhhh

-Gray_Fox-

but some ppl have bone heads and don't get it...lol

God always existed because he is eternal.

God created space and time. This seems more logical to me than expolding out of nothingness.

Nothing produces nothing.

God always existed because he is eternal.

God created space and time. This seems more logical to me than expolding out of nothingness.

Nothing produces nothing.

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