Greatest World Leader of All Time?

I always debated in my head this topic and now i want to know what other people think.

my No.1: Adolf Hitler A little homeless boy that grew up to fight great in WW1, lead a party of seven to rule the country, made economic revolutions comparable to roosevelt's and made a broken down country turn into the most feared country. If he only had better military tactics he would have ruled Europe.

Honourable mentions(no order): Augustus Caesar, Cyrus the Great, Lenin and Mao Tse Tsung.

Whats yours?

What is with Hitler on OT? I'm starting to have some doubts...

I change my mind: Franklin D. Roosevelt.

George Washington, he could have put a lot more control into the hands of government and could of made it more near a dictatorship but didn't. Now America is currently one of the best if not the best country.

Genghis Khan is possibly the most important man in history. He conquered nearly the entire known world, then proceeded to "civilize" it. He made his empire safe for trade and travel. He also eliminated almost all major threats to the slowly growing west at the time, if it weren't for his death and the following split of his empire into rivaling factions, the west would have also easily fallen.

Glorious Leader Kim Jong Il, whose birth was heralded by singing flocks of hummingbirds and a double rainbow.

Winston Churchill - He was a great leader because he gave his surrounded and outgunned country hope and inspiration to fight through their worst times and rise victorously

wow alot of other opinions i see :P but i think leaders in ancient times are not as good as more modern leaders for the fact that wars in the ancients times were theatrical and had no diplomatic logic which renders the most successful commander of army as the most successful leader of all time.

Hitler was an incredibly evil man, but anyone that has played Fable knows that greatness is not a measure of good or evil. So yes, Hitler was a "great" leader, but possibly the worst military strategist ever (and not to mention evil, and I am not one to use the term "evil" lightly).

However, he is certainly not the greatest. Ghegis Khan, Augustus Ceaser, George Washington, Churchill, and FDR all have a one up on Hitler and I'm surely missing quite a few.

Mao? Really?Lonelynight

Leave it to white people living in another country and in another tim to mention Mao, Hitler Stalin etc. as great world leaders...

Hitler was an incredibly evil man, but anyone that has played Fable knows that greatness is not a measure of good or evil. So yes, Hitler was a "great" leader, but possibly the worst military strategist ever (and not to mention evil, and I am not one to use the term "evil" lightly).

However, he is certainly not the greatest. Ghegis Khan, Augustus Ceaser, George Washington, Churchill, and FDR all have a one up on Hitler and I'm surely missing quite a few.

Grodus5

BTW, there is only one correct answer...

Jesus Christ.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Mao? Really?heysharpshooter

Leave it to white people living in another country and in another tim to mention Mao, Hitler Stalin etc. as great world leaders...

BTW, there is only one correct answer...

Jesus Christ.

heysharpshooter

He doesn't count. That fool's been on a 2,000 year vacation now and let the world go completely to Hell.

Mao? Really?Lonelynight

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[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Mao? Really?Lonelynight

Leave it to white people living in another country and in another tim to mention Mao, Hitler Stalin etc. as great world leaders...

They do it to be edgy... and in the end, they just look foolish...

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

BTW, there is only one correct answer...

Jesus Christ.

MystikFollower

He doesn't count. That fool's been on a 2,000 year vacation now and let the world go completely to Hell.

And yet his teachings have become the single most well known thing in the world... the dude revolutionized human existence... and I'm an athiest who thinks Jesus was a Jew who ate too many mushrooms and started seeing things... you can't deny his importance...

I change my mind: Franklin D. Roosevelt.

no_more_fayth

Why go for the Lesser Roosevelt.

Teddy all the way.8)

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Mao? Really?iliatay

[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

I change my mind: Franklin D. Roosevelt.

dercoo

Why go for the Lesser Roosevelt.

Teddy all the way.8)

Frankie was better at golf, had a better handicap.

*ba dum tsh* :|

wow alot of other opinions i see :P but i think leaders in ancient times are not as good as more modern leaders for the fact that wars in the ancients times were theatrical and had no diplomatic logic which renders the most successful commander of army as the most successful leader of all time.

iliatay

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[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

I change my mind: Franklin D. Roosevelt.

no_more_fayth

Why go for the Lesser Roosevelt.

Teddy all the way.8)

Frankie was better at golf, had a better handicap.

*ba dum tsh* :|

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[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

BTW, there is only one correct answer...

Jesus Christ.

heysharpshooter

He doesn't count. That fool's been on a 2,000 year vacation now and let the world go completely to Hell.

And yet his teachings have become the single most well known thing in the world... the dude revolutionized human existence... and I'm an athiest who thinks Jesus was a Jew who ate too many mushrooms and started seeing things... you can't deny his importance...

[QUOTE="MystikFollower"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

BTW, there is only one correct answer...

Jesus Christ.

heysharpshooter

He doesn't count. That fool's been on a 2,000 year vacation now and let the world go completely to Hell.

And yet his teachings have become the single most well known thing in the world... the dude revolutionized human existence... and I'm an athiest who thinks Jesus was a Jew who ate too many mushrooms and started seeing things... you can't deny his importance...

No argument there, but a world leader still has to lead the world. He was a teacher not a leader.

dercoo

Wth?

Hahaha. :lol:

[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

I change my mind: Franklin D. Roosevelt.

dercoo

Why go for the Lesser Roosevelt.

Teddy all the way.8)

Yeah, he was shot and finished his speech anyway. He also was a rough rider which is pretty badass.

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[QUOTE="MystikFollower"]

He doesn't count. That fool's been on a 2,000 year vacation now and let the world go completely to Hell.

MystikFollower

And yet his teachings have become the single most well known thing in the world... the dude revolutionized human existence... and I'm an athiest who thinks Jesus was a Jew who ate too many mushrooms and started seeing things... you can't deny his importance...

No argument there, but a world leader still has to lead the world. He was a teacher not a leader.

Depends on your perspective... Jesus is as much an idea as a person... he IS his teachings, and his teachings lead the world largest and most powerful instituion, a world wide institution with twice the power as any indivdual man or woman has ever held...

I see the other side though, and in the context of the thread, I may be going too far into left field...

[QUOTE="iliatay"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Mao? Really?Lonelynight

More Teddy fun facts

I was gonna say Hitler but I'm too late.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="iliatay"] why not? the stuff he did was incredibly difficult and arguably noone else could have done it.iliatay

Why don't you ever look at the negative because that is also extremely important to take into consideration on who's the greatest.

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[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

And yet his teachings have become the single most well known thing in the world... the dude revolutionized human existence... and I'm an athiest who thinks Jesus was a Jew who ate too many mushrooms and started seeing things... you can't deny his importance...

heysharpshooter

No argument there, but a world leader still has to lead the world. He was a teacher not a leader.

Depends on your perspective... Jesus is as much an idea as a person... he IS his teachings, and his teachings lead the world largest and most powerful instituion, a world wide institution with twice the power as any indivdual man or woman has ever held...

I see the other side though, and in the context of the thread, I may be going too far into left field...

I get what you mean though, and I think we're both correct lol. I originally made that comment as a joke anyways :P.

I'm no Chinese historian but his ability to unify agrarian China and revolutionize the way the country was ran can be considered remarkable. It doesnt matter about how prosperous China is now but rather how well he executed his goals. that is what defines a great leader. iliatay

che guarana, most inspring leader + graphic T designerColonelWilks

I would agree (even though i am a strong atheist), but i personally wouldnt count religious leaders as world leaders because they intend to do things only for a certain religion and only have goals inspire people.iliatay

[QUOTE="iliatay"] I would agree (even though i am a strong atheist), but i personally wouldnt count religious leaders as world leaders because they intend to do things only for a certain religion and only have goals inspire people.Second_Rook

I think technically speaking, Jesus was more of a cult leader.

[QUOTE="iliatay"] I'm no Chinese historian but his ability to unify agrarian China and revolutionize the way the country was ran can be considered remarkable. It doesnt matter about how prosperous China is now but rather how well he executed his goals. that is what defines a great leader. Lonelynight

[QUOTE="Second_Rook"][QUOTE="iliatay"] I would agree (even though i am a strong atheist), but i personally wouldnt count religious leaders as world leaders because they intend to do things only for a certain religion and only have goals inspire people.MystikFollower

I think technically speaking, Jesus was more of a cult leader.

All modern world leaders are failures but what they achieve defines their greatness IMO.iliatay

[QUOTE="iliatay"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"] The Great Leap Forward? The Cultural Revolution? You do know that the reason why China is so prosperous right now is because of Deng Xiaping and not Mao right? If the country had stuck with the policies of Mao, it would be a hell lot weaker than it is now.__Chris__

Why don't you ever look at the negative because that is also extremely important to take into consideration on who's the greatest.

Mao? Really?Lonelynight

This.

This bastard essentially sent China into living hell with the Cultural Revolution.

They all have negatives(obviously) but the positives are what sets them apart; defines them as greatiliatay

[QUOTE="iliatay"]All modern world leaders are failures but what they achieve defines their greatness IMO.Lonelynight

[QUOTE="iliatay"] They all have negatives(obviously) but the positives are what sets them apart; defines them as greatLonelynight

Not to change the subject... how do you get your sig to change every time I reload the page? Thats pretty freaking cool...

[QUOTE="iliatay"] They all have negatives(obviously) but the positives are what sets them apart; defines them as greatLonelynight

Not to change the subject... how do you get your sig to change every time I reload the page? Thats pretty freaking cool...heysharpshooter