Guns don't kill people, people kill people...

I've always found this one of the most amusing sayings around. It's only used by associations like the NRA to shrug off the responsibility of Gun crimes. In my eyes it's no different than a drug dealer claiming he doesn't ruin people's lives... the drugs do. Crime is two things, Motive and Oppurtunity. People have the motives, and easy access to weapons only increase the oppurtunites.

Oh and before I'm flamed, I am not for Gun Control.

Lalucar

Very well put !
A thumbs up from vault boy for you !

The argument doesn't make much sense because the point is that guns kill people very easily, which is why some people want gun laws to be more restrictive. To reduce the debate to some stupid, meaningless, wisecracking, simplistic statement such as ' guns don't kill people. people kill people ' is ignoring why people actually want gun laws to be more restrictive in the first place. People can be killed quite easily with their use, 'on a whim', so to say... which may result in some deaths that could have been avoided.

Guns are special made for killing. Cars aren't. Someone who would kill someone with a gun might not with a knife because a knife is too personal. You can shoot someone from 20 feet away, but stabbing them from mere inches is a lot different.

But I don't really care whether guns stay or not.

What kind of society do people live in where they fear so much for their physical integrity or that of their loved ones that they feel the need to keep a gun handy? I'm pretty sure that that mentality is what's really dangerous. That's total paranoia!

QuebecSuperstar

In a neighborhood, where gang members can break into your home and cause harm to your love ones, what is the only solution if the Police come late before your love ones get hurt?

My Aunt had to teach my little cousin on how to use a shotgun, because her neighborhood had idiot gang members breaking into people homes. The gun is use for their protection and if neither my aunt or uncle can't reach the gun on time, my cousin will have to use it. That's protection for you

In a neighborhood, where gang members can break into your home and cause harm to your love ones, what is the only solution if the Police come late before your love ones get hurt?

My Aunt had to teach my little cousin on how to use a shotgun, because her neighborhood had idiot gang members breaking into people homes. The gun is use for their protection and if neither my aunt or uncle can't reach the gun on time, my cousin will have to use it. That's protection for you

FireEmblem_Man

I've always found this one of the most amusing sayings around. It's only used by associations like the NRA to shrug off the responsibility of Gun crimes. In my eyes it's no different than a drug dealer claiming he doesn't ruin people's lives... the drugs do. Crime is two things, Motive and Oppurtunity. People have the motives, and easy access to weapons only increase the oppurtunites.

Oh and before I'm flamed, I am not for Gun Control.

Lalucar

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The most logical answer. I agree 100% and will even quote you.

The argument doesn't make much sense because the point is that guns kill people very easily, which is why some people want gun laws to be more restrictive. To reduce the debate to some stupid, meaningless, wisecracking, simplistic statement such as ' guns don't kill people. people kill people ' is ignoring why people actually want gun laws to be more restrictive in the first place. People can be killed quite easily with their use, 'on a whim', so to say... which may result in some deaths that could have been avoided.

SkyWard20

I've always found this one of the most amusing sayings around. It's only used by associations like the NRA to shrug off the responsibility of Gun crimes. In my eyes it's no different than a drug dealer claiming he doesn't ruin people's lives... the drugs do. Crime is two things, Motive and Oppurtunity. People have the motives, and easy access to weapons only increase the oppurtunites.

Oh and before I'm flamed, I am not for Gun Control.

Lalucar

Guns don't kill people, the guy from Happy Gilmore kills people.metallica_fan42

Its one thing to have a handgun in the home for protection, its another to have an M4Sandvichman

The point of it is, a firearm is about as harmful as a stone lying in the desert, until a person with a murderous soul decides to use it to kill someone,racer8dan

it's just a hunk of material. Thats why "people kill people", not weapons kill people, because people are going to kill people regardless of what weapon is at their disposal.

racer8dan

Guns are dangerous objects whose primary function is to hurt or kill animals, or in some cases, other people. That's not to say they can't be used responsibly, that they can't be used recreationaly, or be collected, and be absolutely no harm to anyone, but to pretend they represent the same threat as objects to people as stones or cars is just puerile and untrue.

Whatever your view on guns is you should acknowledge guns are dangerous objects and need to be handled maturely and sensibly.

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]The point of it is, a firearm is about as harmful as a stone lying in the desert, until a person with a murderous soul decides to use it to kill someone,Danm_999

it's just a hunk of material. Thats why "people kill people", not weapons kill people, because people are going to kill people regardless of what weapon is at their disposal.

racer8dan

Guns are dangerous objects whose primary function is to hurt or kill animals, or in some cases, other people. That's not to say they can't be used responsibly, that they can't be used recreationaly, or be collected, and be absolutely no harm to anyone, but to pretend they represent the same threat as objects to people as stones or cars is just puerile and untrue.

Whatever your view on guns is you should acknowledge guns are dangerous objects and need to be handled maturely and sensibly.

An unloaded firearm is not any more dangerous than any other inanimate object, it only becomes dangerous in the hands of a person.

racer8dan

But a loaded firearm is a hell of a lot more dangerous than anything you could possibly own otherwise. Given that many people keep their weapons loaded and on their person, or loaded and in their homes (lots of people like to keep guns loaded in case of a home invasion after all), a gun is very, very dangerous.

Pretending as an object, a firearm isn't dangerous is just untruthful. Guns are dangerous and need to be treated with care and diligence. They are not objects to treated flippantly, and cause serious harm to the user or others is not handled carefully.

This is why so many more people die each year from accidental firearm deaths than any other household object; because guns are innately dangerous as objects, regardless of their users intention.

An unloaded firearm? Sure. Probably not going to kill anyone unless it's thrown quite hard.

But a loaded firearm is a hell of a lot more dangerous than anything you could possibly own otherwise. Given that many people keep their weapons loaded and on their person, or loaded and in their homes (lots of people like to keep guns loaded in case of a home invasion after all), a gun is very, very dangerous.

Pretending as an object, a firearm isn't dangerous is just untruthful. Guns are dangerous and need to be treated with care and diligence. They are not objects to treated flippantly, and cause serious harm to the user or others is not handled carefully.

This is why so many more people die each year from accidental firearm deaths than any other household object; because guns are innately dangerous as objects, regardless of their users intention.

Danm_999

racer8dan

[QUOTE="tom95b"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Cars kill people. More than guns.

alexside1

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]An unloaded firearm is not any more dangerous than any other inanimate object, it only becomes dangerous in the hands of a person.

Danm_999

But a loaded firearm is a hell of a lot more dangerous than anything you could possibly own otherwise. Given that many people keep their weapons loaded and on their person, or loaded and in their homes (lots of people like to keep guns loaded in case of a home invasion after all), a gun is very, very dangerous.

Pretending as an object, a firearm isn't dangerous is just untruthful. Guns are dangerous and need to be treated with care and diligence. They are not objects to treated flippantly, and cause serious harm to the user or others is not handled carefully.

This is why so many more people die each year from accidental firearm deaths than any other household object; because guns are innately dangerous as objects, regardless of their users intention.

What other purposes do guns have?tom95b

a loaded fire arm is no more dangerous than any other inanimate object left to its own

surrealnumber5

The term still remains accurateracer8dan

And when liberals blame firearms for firearm related deaths, this term is brought up to remind them that it's the people behind the firearm that are responsible, not the firearm itself.

racer8dan

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]The term still remains accurateDanm_999

And when liberals blame firearms for firearm related deaths, this term is brought up to remind them that it's the people behind the firearm that are responsible, not the firearm itself.

racer8dan

Also, Why does GS take me back to the first page after a post? :x

Also, Why does GS take me back to the first page after a post? :x

racer8dan

Well, yes, but if there's a cartridge in the chamber, there's a little more risk seeing as how the safety features of the firearm can fail, though this is a rare occurrence with modern day firearms.

racer8dan

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]Well, yes, but if there's a cartridge in the chamber, there's a little more risk seeing as how the safety features of the firearm can fail, though this is a rare occurrence with modern day firearms.

surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="racer8dan"] The term is technically accurate, but pointless. Of course guns don't kill people. But guns help people kill people. [QUOTE="racer8dan"]And when liberals blame firearms for firearm related deaths, this term is brought up to remind them that it's the people behind the firearm that are responsible, not the firearm itself.

racer8dan

So at the butt of it all... people kill people, right?racer8dan

In cases the fact that "people kill people" can simply be attributed to the fact that a gun was the object. If it was a baseball bat, it might be that "people wound people".

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] Well, not always. Accidental firearm deaths would not have occured if a firearm was not present. Even some malicious firearm deaths would not have occured if a firearm was present. Guns are fundamentally dangerous objects that augment the lethality of a situation.

Danm_999

But if they are not treated at all, they are not dangerous. As I said, they're only dangerous in the hands of a person.

racer8dan

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

But if they are not treated at all, they are not dangerous. As I said, they're only dangerous in the hands of a person.

Engrish_Major

It depends on the person and his/her intent. I would say, a person with a steering wheel in their hands is more likely to kill me/themselves than a person with a firearm in hand.

racer8dan

But if they are not treated at all, they are not dangerous. As I said, they're only dangerous in the hands of a person.

racer8dan

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

It depends on the person and his/her intent. I would say, a person with a steering wheel in their hands is more likely to kill me/themselves than a person with a firearm in hand.

Engrish_Major

Yes, certain people can become more dangerous with possession of certain objects, but it's the person behind the object that's dangerous, not typically the object itself.

racer8dan

Yes, certain people can become more dangerous with possession of certain objects, but it's the person behind the object that's dangerous, not typically the object itself.

racer8dan

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]Yes, certain people can become more dangerous with possession of certain objects, but it's the person behind the object that's dangerous, not typically the object itself.

Danm_999

Then how come thousands more people die of gunshot wounds in the US every year than of stabbing wounds? More people certainly handle knives than guns. Engrish_Major

Yes, I was speaking of people with intent to harm. In regards to acidents, it is still usually the user at fault not the object.

Yes, I was speaking of people with intent to harm. In regards to acidents, it is still usually the user at fault not the object.

racer8dan

if there were no life there could be no death or pain for that matter.surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]An unloaded firearm is not any more dangerous than any other inanimate object, it only becomes dangerous in the hands of a person.

racer8dan

But a loaded firearm is a hell of a lot more dangerous than anything you could possibly own otherwise. Given that many people keep their weapons loaded and on their person, or loaded and in their homes (lots of people like to keep guns loaded in case of a home invasion after all), a gun is very, very dangerous.

Pretending as an object, a firearm isn't dangerous is just untruthful. Guns are dangerous and need to be treated with care and diligence. They are not objects to treated flippantly, and cause serious harm to the user or others is not handled carefully.

This is why so many more people die each year from accidental firearm deaths than any other household object; because guns are innately dangerous as objects, regardless of their users intention.

The saying is correct under only one interpretation of the verb, and no interpretation whether literal or metaphorical is more accurate than the other, unless in specific context such as Law where I suppose the more literal approach is preferred.

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] An unloaded firearm? Sure. Probably not going to kill anyone unless it's thrown quite hard.

But a loaded firearm is a hell of a lot more dangerous than anything you could possibly own otherwise. Given that many people keep their weapons loaded and on their person, or loaded and in their homes (lots of people like to keep guns loaded in case of a home invasion after all), a gun is very, very dangerous.

Pretending as an object, a firearm isn't dangerous is just untruthful. Guns are dangerous and need to be treated with care and diligence. They are not objects to treated flippantly, and cause serious harm to the user or others is not handled carefully.

This is why so many more people die each year from accidental firearm deaths than any other household object; because guns are innately dangerous as objects, regardless of their users intention.

Teenaged

The saying is correct under only one interpretation of the verb, and no interpretation whether literal or metaphorical is more accurate than the other, unless in specific context such as Law where I suppose the more literal approach is preferred.

So? I could kill you with a spoon. It doesn't mean we should ban spoons

People kill people

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]The term still remains accurate. "Guns don't kill people, people kill people". Because guns are inanimate objects and cant think for themselves they are incapable of killing anything on there own. And when liberals blame firearms for firearm related deaths, this term is brought up to remind them that it's the people behind the firearm that are responsible, not the firearm itself.

racer8dan

The saying is correct under only one interpretation of the verb, and no interpretation whether literal or metaphorical is more accurate than the other, unless in specific context such as Law where I suppose the more literal approach is preferred.

So? I could kill you with a spoon. It doesn't mean we should ban spoons

People kill people

[QUOTE="Lox_Cropek"]

So? I could kill you with a spoon. It doesn't mean we should ban spoons

People kill people

Engrish_Major