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#101 T_P_O
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"]wtf @ thread title.Blood-Scribe

Gay is a censored word for thread titles.

Lol, that's gay (pun intented)
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#102 Theokhoth
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I'm pro-state decision.
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#104 Red-XIII
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Another gay marriage thread? *sigh*, here we go again...

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#106 Red-XIII
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[QUOTE="Stumpt25"][QUOTE="xMOBSTER23x"]

If you're against gay marriage, you're discriminatory of gays.

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If you're for gay marriage, you're discriminatory of religious people.

can be argued both ways.

How is it against religion when marriage can be just a legal binding contract? How is it against religion when it won't even involve your religion? What about the Muslims, the Jews, the Atheists, the Scientologists, the Hindus and the Buddhists who all get married? Better stop them because it's against *your* religion! Oh noes! It was my understanding that in the USA there's freedom of religion and separation of Church and State. The world doesn't revolve around you or your religious beliefs. Consenting adults should have the right to marry anyone and religious involvement should be at the discretion of the clergy of whatever religious faith. Everybody is happy, nobody gets hurt.
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#107 robobie
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I believe that any two people who love each other should be allowed to marry... regardless of gender.
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#108 Bourbons3
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We are talking about secular marriage. You can get married in a registry, for example. The Church does not have the monopoly on marriages. So why can't same-sex couples get married in registry offices?
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#109 gdogghenrikson
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im straight so I could care less if it is legal or not
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#110 narutorox3
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I'm pro gay marriages. Doesn't bother me at all.
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#111 Guybrush_3
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So for the people that are agaisnt it on religious grounds, are you against atheists getting married?
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#112 Mr_sprinkles
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There are people who CHOOSE to be gay because it is just a preference, not because they think they were born to be it.1337h4xx0rz
Ooh, big assertion! easy to prove though. choose to be gay Go go! just for a second, it won't hurt ya. You can do that, right?
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#113 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="1337h4xx0rz"] There are people who CHOOSE to be gay because it is just a preference, not because they think they were born to be it.Mr_sprinkles
Ooh, big assertion! easy to prove though. choose to be gay Go go! just for a second, it won't hurt ya. You can do that, right?

People just won't get it! It's easier to assume it's a choice because then there's a blame to place on homosexuals. If they accepted it's not a choice then much of their argument falls into pieces.
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#114 ragek1ll589
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Despite being a practicing Catholic, I think gay marriage should be allowed. Two people who love each other and want to spend the rest of their lives together in matrimony should be allowed to, regardless of the parties involved being straight or gay.

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#115 123625
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I am not for gay marriage. Its a contract between a man and woman, that is all.

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#116 battousai188
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You put entirely way to much text into something that can be simply put... Let them marry one another. Screw the politcal BS involved its total beurocracy at its worst and the religious fanatics that care the most about blocking them from doing so. Im for gay marriage if its what two people really want then they should be able to have it.. All those religious nut cases that are so gung ho about keeping it cut out, just need to umm turn the other cheek and not but in... Its their decision and fate to deal with god when the time comes not religious nut cases and the hard right republicans.
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#117 battousai188
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So for the people that are agaisnt it on religious grounds, are you against atheists getting married?Guybrush_3

Funny, A long time ago I had a priest at my Catholic church who said that Atheists and anyone of any kind of other religion should not be allowed to be married, unless they were christian. He said its a sacred christian practice even though at bible school I told him marrital bonds have been around since before Christianity existed.

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#118 Funky_Llama
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I am not for gay marriage. Its a contract between a man and woman, that is all.

123625
But should it be a contract solely between a man and woman?
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#120 Blood-Scribe
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[QUOTE="123625"]

I am not for gay marriage. Its a contract between a man and woman, that is all.

Funky_Llama

But should it be a contract solely between a man and woman?

We don't even know when marriage was institutionalized, and what sorts of standards were used at the time, or if it was even created under a religious following. Practically any definition is just an arbitrary one and suits the needs of an individual or an organization.

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#121 UnrighteousFury
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[QUOTE="123625"]

I am not for gay marriage. Its a contract between a man and woman, that is all.

Funky_Llama

But should it be a contract solely between a man and woman?

Better question: Should it even be up to the government to make that decision?

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#122 Bourbons3
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[QUOTE="123625"]

I am not for gay marriage. Its a contract between a man and woman, that is all.

Funky_Llama
But should it be a contract solely between a man and woman?

No. The definition of marriage has been changed so many times over hundreds, if not thousands of years. Why can't this one change also be made?
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#123 Ring_of_fire
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="123625"]

I am not for gay marriage. Its a contract between a man and woman, that is all.

UnrighteousFury

But should it be a contract solely between a man and woman?

Better question: Should it even be up to the government to make that decision?

When marriage grants you several rights which you can't get otherwise..............somethings should not be up for the people to decide
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#124 AirGuitarist87
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="123625"]

I am not for gay marriage. Its a contract between a man and woman, that is all.

Bourbons3
But should it be a contract solely between a man and woman?

No. The definition of marriage has been changed so many times over hundreds, if not thousands of years. Why can't this one change also be made?

Unlike the race exclusiveness that was once illegal, most religious texts do explicitly state that homosexuality is a sin (most recent example). But like I've always said, if atheists can get married, so can everyone else(within reason) regardless of gender or sexuality.
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#125 matthayter700
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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]But should it be a contract solely between a man and woman?AirGuitarist87
No. The definition of marriage has been changed so many times over hundreds, if not thousands of years. Why can't this one change also be made?

Unlike the race exclusiveness that was once illegal, most religious texts do explicitly state that homosexuality is a sin (most recent example). But like I've always said, if atheists can get married, so can everyone else(within reason) regardless of gender or sexuality.

Religious texts say all kinds of absurd things, so I doubt "religious texts say it" is a good justification.
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#126 NumCha
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I am 100% For gay marriages

I would like to be the groom of one

:)

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#127 BiancaDK
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im against gay marriage.

... and im european, so wtf am i on about

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#128 DrSponge
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I am 100% For gay marriages

I would like to be the groom of one

:)

NumCha
Didn't you say you were straight in another thread?
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#129 Johnny_Rock
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This is my opinion for you to discuss. Before i continue, let's get the record straight:

Firstly, I'm not homophobic and I don't hate gay people. I seriously have no prejudices.
Secondly, I'm not religious, although I am monodeistic.

If you guys want to accuse me of these things then fine. It's not like you are going to convince me. It'll be more of a reflection on your inadequacy to debate your opinions.

Now. Opinion.

1. Why are you against gay marriage?

The most common arguement that gay-marriage apologists use is that Gay marriage doesn't hurt / effect you". This is true to an extent. Firstly though, let's look at what marriage is. Marriage was established by religions all over the world in order to regulate the obligations and responsibilities of pro-creation. No, it isn't about love. Love is very much so a secondary part of marriage. Fortunately, we live in a society where we can choose our spouse based on love, but ultimately, if you brought forth Gay marriage there is absolutely no reason for it to exist.

Many people argue: This isn't about religion, we are talking about secular marriage. Well, wrong. We all live in a culturally religious society, whether that be christianity in the USA, or Islam in the Middle East or Hinduism in India. However, take a holiday like Christmas. Yes, you celebrate that, don't you atheists. Now i'm sure you realised - Christmas was popularised by the Christians, in order to celebrate the birth of christ. Whether he was actually born on December 25th doesn't matter, what matters is that jesus was born, and christians celebrate it.

Now. Say the supreme court said that Christmas is now actually Chuck Norris joke day. The Christians would be offended, and rightly so. It would be a complete slap in the face to their religion.

This is the same with Marriage -- only it's not offensive to just christians: it's offensive to jews, muslims, hindu, buddhist etc etc etc. To prioritise Gay marriage because they 'love each other very much', is a complete slap in the face to a religious ceremony

2. If we had your views, inter-racial marriages wouldn't exist!

Sigh. No legitimate and respected religious movement advocates racism. There is nothing anti-religious about inter-racial marriages. Considering there are plenty of people who worship a religion not assosiated with their skin colour (e.g. black christians, white muslims, etc.)

3. You've talked about religion a lot... Religion is filled with evil and bigotry!

The USA is 90% religious. If you honestly think that all religious people are backward !@#$%'s, then i suggest you stop singing 'God Bless America' so much.

Sure, some people are backwards, but the majority of religious people are free thinking, reasonable people.

4. How do you expect people to share happy lives?

Marriage isn't the only way to a successful relationship. Civil unionships if you must. And moreover, WHY DO YOU NEED TO GET MARRIED TO BE HAPPY? I have an uncle who has a long time partner, and he still calls her his 'wife'. You don't need to be married to show that you are in love, and you don't need to be married in order to have a happy life and successful relationship.

5. Yes, the 'sanctity' of marriage is reeeaaaally great when there is a 50% divorce rate.

Who ever said divorce is a good thing? I find that statistic both frightening and sad. Religion in all cultures has opposed divorce. However, it does not completely deny it. In an ideal world, nobody would want divorce rates that high... but what can you do?

Stumpt25

Actually I refuse to sing that song. I only use "God" in a negative connotation.